They've got to do anything they can to distract attention from the incredibly damaging policies they're implementing to bankrupt and cripple America.
What would you expect from treasonous domestic terrorists?
Team Obama better pray the the terrorists don't strike America during their watch.
I think that's exactly what they want, Jim.
Team Obama better pray the the terrorists don't strike America during their watch.
Posted by Gateway Pundit
I truly believe that that would be the icing on the cake for team obama, they thrive on chaos and crisis.
And any attack would be blamed on GWB.
this is an investigation i think all repubs should want, it'll smoke out who knew what when, and how much. not to mention that over 60% think waterboarding is ok, this is an overall loser for the dems.
crystal | 07.11.09 - 8:47 pm | #
Hi crystal, great minds think alike.
not to mention that over 60% think waterboarding is ok, this is an overall loser for the dems.
slizzle | 07.11.09 - 8:51 pm |
Exactly right. Polls already show that this issue has backfired, which is why Obama doesn't want to push it.
But Holder is even more clueless and arrogant that Obama. He's like a cheesy, low-rent version of his boss. Let's hope he goes ahead with it to "assert his independence" like a spoiled child.
If the AG wants to be independent of the president, he or she should resign. The good news is since Obama appoints only people similar in temperament to himself, all these clowns can only screw up over and over and over.
Bring on the investigation.
Hi crystal, great minds think alike.
ar05075 | 07.11.09 - 8:52 pm |
Hello~
what a win win for the dumbos. investigate the Bush adm for torture or investigate the Bush adm for an attack that they would then say he should have been more aggresive to stop. bottom line would be if people are alive today who would've been victims of another attack. they're absolute ghouls.
A terrorist attack would be a disaster for Obama. The incompetence of the Obama administration is allowing al Qaeda to regroup. Ironically they may not attack until opportunities for growth are less favorable.
all these clowns can only screw up over and over and over.
Tom W. | 07.11.09 - 8:59 pm |
And hopefully they will keep pissing off all the "Rights" groups that voted for them at the same time.
And I think, the next administration, should be geared up and ready to investigate these people, the minute they step foot out of office, hopefully by next year. I'm sure there will be plenty to work with. Time to gear up the birth certificate exposure. Please donate all you can to WND, if anyone is going to expose it, they will. They exposed Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple, when the ilk at the Washington Post and others laughed at them. They were the ones who had it right. Obama must be exposed.
Eric Holder is a racist thug. Other than that, he's a great pick for AG.
I hope Obama catches swine flu from Michelle.
These people want us to have died. They're okay if we still die. In fact, they think we should, to pay for all our "sins."
Ghouls is right.
If Holder moves on that, it'll be painful for the GWB participants, but I agree with it plays to our strength politically. It is inconceivable to me that there won't be other serious terrorist attacks again. And then, the majority will see BHO and the Dems for what they are.
A terrorist attack would be a disaster for Obama. The incompetence of the Obama administration is allowing al Qaeda to regroup. Ironically they may not attack until opportunities for growth are less favorable.
Terry Gain | 07.11.09 - 9:05 pm | #
Why would Al Qaeda attack America when they have one man sleeper cell in the white house???
What attacks? Do y'all not understand that since Obama entered office, all the radical Islamofascists have gone home to their goat herds and are now peaceful citizens of some thriving, and properous, Islamic nation?
They don't hold his clueless foreign policy against him, like giving a speech in Egypt trying to pander to the Iranians. Never mind that Iran hates Egypt because they gave sanctuary to the Shah. Obama has the touch, and all nations are almost ready to break out in one, unified chorus of Kumbaya.
And btw, the Obama administration did another document dump late Friday evening that pretty well vidicates Bush's Presidential Security Program.
The incompetence of the Obama administration is allowing al Qaeda to regroup. Ironically they may not attack until opportunities for growth are less favorable.
Terry Gain | 07.11.09 - 9:05 pm |
Did you see this?
Obama Frees Iranian Terror Masters
There are a few things you need to know about President Obama’s shameful release on Thursday of the “Irbil Five” — Quds Force commanders from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) who were coordinating terrorist attacks in Iraq that have killed hundreds — yes, hundreds — of American soldiers and Marines...
Michael Ledeen has reported that the release of the Irbil Five is part of the price Iran has demanded for its release in May of the freelance journalist Roxana Saberi. Again, that’s only part of the price: Iran also has demanded the release of hundreds of its other terror facilitators in our custody. Expect to see Obama accommodate this demand, too, in the weeks ahead...
What you need to know is that Barack Obama is a wolf in “pragmatist” clothing: Beneath the easy smile and above-it-all manner — the “neutral” doing his best to weigh competing claims — is a radical leftist wedded to a Manichean vision that depicts American imperialism as the primary evil in the world...
[His] default position is that tyrants are preferable as long as they are anti-American, and that while terrorist methods may be regrettable, their root cause is always American provocation — that is, the terrorists have a point.
http://
article.nationalreview.co...2M0MTdiYTI3MzM=
I will not be surprised if we don't get attacked again. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't 9/11. And this time, I bet it won't be on the east coast . . . I bet it would be on the west coast. Both LA and Seattle have been on hit lists in the past so it could be either one of them. And since I have loved ones living in both cities, I can tell you I would not take it well.
I think it would not be good for BO because he has made a big deal about placating Moslems. After living in relative safety for 8 years, the citizens of this country would not take BO allowing this to happen. He was handed a secure country. He and his minions have damaged our security.
Personally, I would like to see BO and his administration have to face an impeachment trial if we get attacked again. His oath says to "preserve and protect". His actions are doing neither.
Personally, I would like to see BO and his administration have to face an impeachment trial ...
That kind of talk gets me excited!
Careful, woman....
In all seriousness, I think an attack would be right up his alley. Just my opinion, of course. Especially, a perfectly timed attack.
I can't believe that BO has undermined all of the security measures that it took all those years and money to establish. I can't tell you how upset I will be if we get hit again because of BO's carelessness.
I just can't let my mind wander to the what-ifs too much. I need to have faith that God can protect us even if BO won't.
I need to have faith that God can protect us even if BO won't.
Pat the First | 07.11.09 - 9:48 pm | #
That's the only HOPE I have to cling to. It's hard to not get down when we see what's going on. But then, as Christian, we should see what's going on....It's still hard. Be encouraged. Barack Hussein Obama ain't bigger than God. He is still on the throne, and He let that skinny-ass man in the White House for a reason. I have my guesses, but only He knows.
I have to say I still haven't gotten over that BO was wrong about when he met MO. I think it has to be for one of 2 reasons:
1. He just downright lied about something to a group when it really wouldn't matter . . . which means he may very well be a psychopathic liar. Not good;
or
2. He really doesn't give a rip about her. Maybe never did. Maybe she is just window dressing. I have yet to meet a man who didn't remember when he met his wife. Maybe Larry Sinclair wasn't lying after all. I always thought he was.
It isn't that they can't let go, it is that their popularity is taking so they need to regurgitate the anti-Bush rhetoric in order to bolster their numbers.
Meant "popularity is tanking"
And any attack would be blamed on GWB.
Ain't gonna work. He's more than used up his allowance of "it's Bush's fault" on the economic fiasco, and quite frankly, at this point in time the water level in that well is getting pretty shallow.
Pat the First | 07.11.09 - 9:54 pm | #
I think the fact that they met thru the Ayers'was something he'd rather keep quiet.
Blacque Jacques Shellacque | 07.11.09 - 9:59 pm | #
But now they can blame it on GWB's torture.
I think the fact that they met thru the Ayers'was something he'd rather keep quiet.
ar05075 | 07.11.09 - 10:00 pm |
I have never known what to believe on that whole situation. Sinclair doesn't seem believable to me. I kind of hope it isn't true.
2. He really doesn't give a rip about her. Maybe never did. Maybe she is just window dressing. I have yet to meet a man who didn't remember when he met his wife. Maybe Larry Sinclair wasn't lying after all. I always thought he was.
Pat the First | 07.11.09 - 9:54 pm
Pat,
I always felt (without knowing, of course) that MO was the wife that he needed to give him credibility. Especially among his constituents, and his black muslims friends here in the U.S. She's not a light-bright, damn-near-white like Halle Barry. She is a full-fledged, dark-skinned black woman. AND she's angry.
I followed a link someone posted in another thread. It was an excerpt out of "Dreams of My Father". In it, Obama was describing the friends he hung around. He admitted that they were specifically chosen by him, to add to his "image".
I couldn't believe that he would proudly write that in his book. Well....yes I could. A NORMAL person would see that as a problem, an integrity and character question.
He thought it was cool.
The body chemisty between MO and BO...I don't see it. IMO, he tolerates her, and she feels that she is "lucky" that he chose her.
Tom posted a very telling picture of those two before...I just looked for it and can't find it.
I need to have faith that God can protect us even if BO won't.
Pat the First | 07.11.09 - 9:48 pm | #
That's the only HOPE I have to cling to. It's hard to not get down when we see what's going on. But then, as Christian, we should see what's going on....It's still hard.
crystal | 07.11.09 - 9:53 pm |
Here's an allegorical video for you. This is toaca, the Romanian Orthodox Christian call to prayer. It's descended from the way clans called their warriors to battle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...h?
v=VxzTkBIyJBg
Starts out slow and builds up into a crescendo that can't be ignored.
Can't you feel it happening here? I can. Something is waking up in our country.
Pat,
Found it.
http://cinie.files.wordpress.com...jpe?w=300&
h=241
Did you see this?
Obama Frees Iranian Terror Masters
There are a few things you need to know about President Obama’s shameful release on Thursday of the “Irbil Five” — Quds Force commanders from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) who were coordinating terrorist attacks in Iraq that have killed hundreds — yes, hundreds — of American soldiers and Marines...,
----
Tom, yes I did. I commented on it earlier today at Power Line. It's an outrage, and one of the many reasons, I said this;
The incompetence of the Obama administration is allowing al Qaeda to regroup. Ironically they may not attack until opportunities for growth are less favorable.
Terry Gain | 07.11.09 - 9:05 pm |
crystal | 07.11.09 - 10:05 pm |
When I heard him talking about meeting MO in Russia, I just had really bad vibes about it. No one would lie about something like that. I wonder if how he met her just means nothing to him. If so, their marriage is probably a sham.
Pat,
How could you forget where you met the love of your life?
Your soulmate?
The one who takes your breath away?
The one who is so much a part of you, that you cannot even breathe reguarly until they are safe in your arms again?
Michelle and Barack?
I just don't get that vibe from them.
Tom W. | 07.11.09 - 10:09 pm |
That is an amazing video. And to think that is a centuries long ritual. Pretty incredible.
crystal | 07.11.09 - 10:10 pm |
Wow . . . what good makeup can do for a person. She looks absolutely horrible in that picture and he looks totally bored.
How could you forget where you met the love of your life?
Nope. My father is 84 years old and can remember the first time he saw my mother. He told his college roommate that she was the one he would marry. She was engaged to someone else.
8 months later they were married. They have been married for 61 years.
0bama: "Hey Axelrod, how is my ‘Stimulus Package’ working."
Axelrod: "Unemployment is nearing 10% and another 2 million people will lose the job and their homes in the next three months."
"Worse, your moonbats in California are in the toilet.They would like to ring you scrawny neck." {cough, wheeze, cough}
0bama: "That is bad. How is my crony hiring program… I mean, ACORN workers program going?"
Axelrod: "Poorly."
"Hired all the ACLU lawyers I could find but they just moved the cash into their Swiss Bank accounts where it will not stimulate the economy."
"I found them to be lazy over priced notaries who can't even race bait properly. Now, even kos and Huffpo want to ring your neck."
0bama: "It’s time for a distraction."
"Pull out the old 'Cheney Secret Spy Program' story and rum dummy it up. That will keep those stupid Kos kids busy."
Axelrod: "Barack, that is getting a little old! And, we are running out of propaganda newspapers to spread the story."
0bama: "Axelrod, how would you like going under the bus? It would be a shame if Axelrod got wrapped around the axle... so to speak."
"Besides there are plenty of snake oil salesmen like you out there for hire. Think about it."
Axelrod:"Anything you say boss. I will call the usually manure spreaders and we will have this unemployment problem off of the stupid rube’s TV screens in an instant..." {cough, wheeze, cough}…assuming they still own a home and a TV."
0bama: "Good. Now, call my limo so I can drive around in peace and have a cigarette. I have to look like I am busy."
.
8 months later they were married. They have been married for 61 years.
Pat the First | 07.11.09 - 10:25 pm |
That right there....just took out all of my yuckiness from the day.
Thank you for that. I became friends with a couple that I met at a resturaunt. They were old, and I started talking to them. BTW, this disrepect of the older generation PISSES ME OFF!!! Anyway, they had been married for 63 years. He had a stroke three years ago, and she is taking care of him. He's 87, and she's 83. I asked her what the secret was.
She leaned in, and said softly, "Are you Christian?"
I said yes.
She said, "A whole lot of forgiveness".
Limousine Liberal Stink | 07.11.09 - 10:31 pm
I think you should title the book, "Limousine Liberals Stink".
Pefect!
I want my copy first.
My Mom's parents were married for 72 years. (Yes, my family live a very long time.) She had Parkinson's so her last 2 years were in a nursing home. He spent every single minute that he could with her. She was 92. He died 6 years later at the age of 2 months short of 101. All he wanted to do was go be with her. Both very active and strong Christians. My Grandfather was a minister.
My Mom and Dad are both very active still. Dad works in his wood shop every day. Keeping as active as possible keeps you alive. And I am pretty sure that they would tell you "forgiveness" played a very big part of their marriage.
To all the above that believe o wants the US to be attacked I couldn't agree with you more! There is no telling what o will pull off if we do get attacked. I wake up every morning and pray to God please let o fail today and his popularity numbers have been falling along with a few other of his policies are declining and I thank God when they do. I hope all of you will do the same no matter what your beliefs are. Folks it's all we got with that bunch of thugs in the White House. Let's all sing!
God Bless America
Land that I love
Stand beside her
and guide her
Thru the night
with a light
from above
from the mountains
to the praries
to the oceans
white with foam
God Bless America
My home sweet home
Nice diversionary tactics. Keep the public looking in too many places. Eyes off the real issues. Don't fall for it.
MO and BO sound like the Clintons. They need each other to further their own agendas. Otherwise, they can't stand each other.
I think you should title the book, "Limousine Liberals Stink".
Pefect! -crystal
Thanks. This is a good idea.
Funny how you call it "torture." Let's "torture" the guy who operates the Gateway Pundit and see if he still calls it "torture."
Real American | 07.11.09 - 11:24 pm |
Huh? Are you liking the person who owns this website to the mastermind of 9/11? If so, you are one mixed up puppy.
I honestly think that Obama is HOPING for a terrorist attack. He will then be able to install his Martial Law. If I am right... goodbye America!
Pat,
It's a trick. Don't let it suck you in.
I just don't see how people can honestly stay delusioned. It is dangerous for them, and it is dangerous for us. These people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Funny how you call it "torture." Let's "torture" the guy who operates the Gateway Pundit and see if he still calls it "torture."
Real American | 07.11.09 - 11:24 pm |
Let's all screech in pious outrage at waterboarding terrorists to save lives. Let's do that. After all, everything we do is wrong and entirely lacks context.
Let's put the worst possible spin on all American actions, and lets pretend that our enemies don't have self-serving agendas that they mask with propaganda that fools swallow unquestioningly. Let's willfully choose to be as naive as newborn ducklings. That sounds like a plan.
And I think, the next administration, should be geared up and ready to investigate these people, the minute they step foot out of office, hopefully by next year. I'm sure there will be plenty to work with. Time to gear up the birth certificate exposure. Please donate all you can to WND, if anyone is going to expose it, they will. They exposed Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple, when the ilk at the Washington Post and others laughed at them. They were the ones who had it right. Obama must be exposed.
How would have WND expose Jim Jones? WouldNetDaily was not even printed back then!!!!
Unless you mean Joe Farah Himself working for a paper at the time.
-Pat
Real American | 07.11.09 - 11:24 pm | #
Real American Jihadist maybe?
So mean spirited, what would be so bad about every american having health care?
If Obama fails, then that means people are going without health care. Great(NOT).
From NYT 4/19/2009
The C.I.A. officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah, according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as al Qaeda operative.
A former C.I.A. officer, John Kiriakou (whom you referred to), told ABC News and other news media organizations in 2007 that Abu Zubaydah had undergone waterboarding for only 35 seconds before agreeing to tell everything he knew."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/195089
The FBI interrogator, Soufan, said that they recovered the information that led to KSM before the torture began.
"We were able to get the information about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a couple of days. We didn't have to do any of this [torture]. We could have done this the right way."
Why just focus on three that were waterboarded? Why not mention those that have died as a result of interrogations?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blo...tured-to-death/
Ever read the report on detainee deaths?
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/command
Interesting that it doesn't trouble you that techniques that are used “to teach American pilots and soldiers how to resist a variety of torture methods that might be used against them by captors seeking false confessions for propaganda purposes," were then used on detainees in our custody who then confessed to plots, that from what I read, sent us out on a lot of false leads.
http://www.thenational.ae/articl...4239994/-1/
NEWS
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ml?
nav=hcmodule
"We spent millions of dollars chasing false alarms," one former intelligence official said.
And I've also wondered, if the waterboarding was so effective as Kiriakou implies, why did the CIA destroy 90 of the 92 videos that showed his interrogation? Seems that would shut down the argument on whether it was effective or not. 90 videos for 35 seconds of waterboarding?
Why are you so concerned with whether this will damage the former adminstration and not concerned with finding out the truth?
Did you catch the article by the interrogator that recovered the information that led to the killing of Zarqawi, leader of al Qaida in Iraq?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...id=opinionsbox1
"I personally conducted more than 300 interrogations, and I supervised more than 1,000. The methods my team used are not classified (they're listed in the unclassified Field Manual), but the way we used them was, I like to think, unique."
"I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse."
"Murderers like Zarqawi can kill us, but they can't force us to change who we are. We can only do that to ourselves."
So only three top people were waterboarded? You really believe that was the extent of what happened?
If Obama fails, then that means people are going without health care. Great(NOT).
Bruce | 07.12.09 - 12:38 am | #
Everyone has health care now. You don't see people falling over dead on street corners or walking around with untreated broken bones and gunshot wounds because our laws dictate that hospital emergency rooms must treat life-threatening emergencies. Non-life-threatening illnesses and injuries are treated at free clinics or at govt-funded clinics where the patient pays what they can afford to pay, based on a sliding-scale fee schedule.
All that socialized health care will do is reduce the quality of care for those who are currently insured or have the money see the doctors they want to see when they want to see them to the care that the indigent currently receive, which is what I described above.
Thanks for the National Review article, Tom. That info is chilling. The writer, however, "gets it."
Now if people would listen.
Obama fails, then that means people are going without health care. Great(NOT).
Bruce | 07.12.09 - 12:38 am |
That is their decision. Besides, what is better . . . paying for mandated, rationed health care like they have in Canada and UK or being without health care that isn't rationed. In case you didn't know this, most hospitals and doctors will still treat you without insurance if you are in trauma. Most of the time the state picks up the slack.
I happen to know a very small, little girl who was diagnosed about 18 months ago with almost complete renal failure. She recently had a kidney transplant. Without it, even with dialysis, she wouldn't survive for much longer. Fortunately, her mother was a match. She is now living a normal, kid's life. The surgery cost over a $1M. Her surgery was paid for by her insurance and from a foundation connected with the children's hospital.
Rationed health care in Canada or UK . . . she would still have to endure 11 hours of dialysis every single day which was slowly damaging her heart. She may not have survived.
So, no thank you. I would rather have no health care and put myself into deep debt than rationed health care. If you don't think that older people would have no chance to survive any illness under rationed health care, you are crazy.
About when Barack met Michelle:
From Wikipedia: Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988
She obtained her Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Harvard Law School in 1988
Wikipedia
Same year.
BUT - from a Gale Women's History site, they apparently met at the law firm:
_____
When she graduated from HLS in 1988, she was hired by the high-paying Chicago corporate law firm Sidley Austin . . .
She eventually passed [the bar] and was admitted to the bar in May 1989, almost a year after graduation.
After graduating from Harvard, Robinson joined the large, prestigious Chicago corporate-law firm of Sidley & Austin. Barack Obama, a Harvard Law student, joined the firm as an intern in 1988 and Robinson was charged with mentoring him.
She told Ebony in February of 2007: "I was skeptical at first; everyone was raving about this smart, attractive, young first-year associate they recruited from Harvard. Everyone was like, 'Oh, he's brilliant, he's amazing and he's attractive.' I said, 'Okay, this is probably just a Brother who can talk straight.'"
She told West: "I was more focused on my plan. I had made this proclamation to my mother the summer I met Barack, 'I'm not worrying about dating...I'm going to focus on me.'"
Robinson married Obama in 1992, after traveling to Kenya to meet his family. That same year, Michelle Obama moved to the city's office of planning and development as an assistant commissioner.
http://vdare.com/sailer/
080225_m...helle_obama.htm
_____
According to that, met when she was mentoring him at the law firm.
So only three top people were waterboarded? You really believe that was the extent of what happened?
Jeremy | 07.12.09 - 12:48 am |
Don't care. It is only AQ thugs. And one of them spilled the beans about an attack that was planned for LA.
Let me ask you something . . . what came first . . . 1993 World Center bombing or waterboarding . . . 2 US Embassies bombed in Africa or waterboarding . . . attack on USS Cole or waterboarding . . . 9/11 or waterboarding??????
AQ is evil. We did nothing to cause their recruitment for all those years, but they were still recruiting. Consequence . . . 3,000 people killed on 9/11.
So, who do you care about . . . AQ or your fellow US citizens who died on 9/11? Think about it. Be careful where your sympathies lie.
So only three top people were waterboarded? You really believe that was the extent of what happened?
Jeremy | 07.12.09 - 12:48 am |
You bozo. Why do you let people with agendas lead you around by the nose, like you're only three years old?
The "83 times" refers to the number of times water was poured on Abu Zubaydah's face. It wasn't 83 separate sessions.
People are trying to trick you, and you're letting them. Why?
Deliberate Distraction.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, et al should be put on trial using the same legal doctrines put into place in the war crimes trials of the Germans and the Japanese.
Tom: If you had read my post or my links you would have seen that no where did I say there were 83 separate sessions. Why are you trying to refute a straw man?
My point is that everyone is focused on the treatment of three individuals, when dozens of detainees died as a result of their treatment while in our custody.
Pat: I despise suffering whomever it may afflict, I just don't believe that everyone detained is necessarily part of AQ. What have you read that makes you believe that everyone detained is an "AQ thug?"
I'm no fan of Obama or Holder, I just believe the Bush administration made many terrible choices while prosecuting the war on terror and ought to be held responsible for diminishing our credibility and weakening our position as defenders of human rights.
Tom: If you had read my post or my links you would have seen that no where did I say there were 83 separate sessions. Why are you trying to refute a straw man?
Here's what the article says, sweetheart:
The C.I.A. officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah, according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as al Qaeda operative.
You know as well as I do that it was written to give the impression that he underwent 83 separate sessions.
My point is that everyone is focused on the treatment of three individuals, when dozens of detainees died as a result of their treatment while in our custody.
Nope. Didn't happen. As I said before, you're totally credulous. You're quoting articles written by people with agendas, but you're too ignorant or blinded by whatever motivates you to know it.
"Matthew Alexander" has a book to sell, paid lectures to give, TV appearances to make. He takes credit for getting the information that led to Zarqawi's death, when in reality it was a massive team effort.
The fact that you instantly believe what someone tells you and make no effort to read other sources tells me that you are, indeed, a bozo.
maybe our congress is literally brain dead. and what do you do when their constituents don't care as long as the check's in the mail (so to speak)......
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/...llance-program/
"just believe the Bush administration made many terrible choices while prosecuting the war on terror and ought..." one of the mistakes he made was thinking that these so-called american patriots - who were working behind the scenes to derail everything associated with him - could rise above their petty juvenile behavior for the good of the country. it's time to call out the sabatours and lord knows we have enough of them. we do have much bigger fish to fry but as long as the kids want to throw their poop what's a mother to do.
death didn't get him in iraq but found him in ma...in another article a friend of his related how marc told him [regardless of his injuries] he would do it again because he believed in the mission. i'm sure his services will be attended by the extremely blue partisan reps who labeled this very same mission as illegal, foolish, for oil, etc. run around labeling the military as goons and then take a moment for a photo op purportedly conforting the surviving relatives.........
http://www.masslive.com/news/ind...st%
20Longmeadow
"It's not clear from the article if Klaidman was one of the lucky reporters who was partying with the president on the 4th of July or not..."
Priceless!
And Kiriakou is a more reliable source? Someone who wasn't there, but was told about it, and now believes that it is torture, even though he says it worked in 35 seconds?
None have died, really?
[5/22/2004] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2004May21.html
"It also pointed to wider problems beyond the Abu Ghraib facility, raising the possibility that coercive interrogations and other mistreatment by U.S. soldiers may have resulted in the deaths of some detainees."
[3/16/2005] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...cas/
4355779.stm
"At least 108 people have died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to figures compiled by the Associated Press news agency."
[3/26/2005] http://www.boston.com/news/world..._are_homicides/
"The Army has concluded that 27 of the detainees who died in US custody in Iraq or Afghanistan since 2002 were the victims of homicide or suspected homicide, military officials said in a report released yesterday."
[11/20/2008] http://documents.nytimes.com/rep.../page/
182#p=183
Top of the page: "...Army investigators concluded that the use of stress positions and sleep deprivation combined with other mistreatment at the hands of Bagram personnel, caused or were direct contributing factors in the two homicides."
Why do you think detainees were being hidden from the Red Cross?
[7/13/2004] http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2...,125484,00.html
"On at least one occasion they moved these "ghost detainees" around the prison to hide them from a visiting Red Cross delegation, the report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said. He described the actions as "deceptive, contrary to Army Doctrine, and in violation of international law.""
Can I sue Obama for torture? After all, *I'm a citizen* -- these bozos are just *enemy combatants*
"It also pointed to wider problems beyond the Abu Ghraib facility, raising the possibility that coercive interrogations and other mistreatment by U.S. soldiers may have resulted in the deaths of some detainees."
"May have" does not mean "have."
"At least 108 people have died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to figures compiled by the Associated Press news agency."
How many died in the many riots and attempted breakouts? How many died because of insurgent attacks? That article is from 2005. How about something up to date?
"The Army has concluded that 27 of the detainees who died in US custody in Iraq or Afghanistan since 2002 were the victims of homicide or suspected homicide, military officials said in a report released yesterday."
Do you know the definition of homicide? It means killing by another person. In your own article they explained that at least two of the killings were of prisoners whose actions seemed threatening.
Here's what you said:
My point is that everyone is focused on the treatment of three individuals, when dozens of detainees died as a result of their treatment while in our custody.
You implied that dozens were tortured to death. Nope. Not proven. Sorry.
o What is the carbon footprint of waterboarding?
o What is the government footprint of a probe for political points?
Anything to distract away from Obama's failures, lies and promises abandoned.
"My point is that everyone is focused on the treatment of three individuals, when dozens of detainees died as a result of their treatment while in our custody."
Not at Gitmo they didn't.
"Exactly right. Polls already show that this issue has backfired, which is why Obama doesn't want to push it."
I am not so sure he doesn't want to push it. Obama almost always does the opposite of what he says. He didn't want to run auto companies or banks either.
It's a pathetic attempt to keep America's attention on the "non-issues," of the Bush era and to ignore the real probelems confronting us from the democratic policy changes.
They better pray (yeah I know, not part of the liberal platform) that the USA remains safe in spite of their policies, or else they will kiss office good-bye for a long time to come.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE A VILLAGE
IDIOT FROM KENYA NOT THE U.S.A. AS
PRES.OR KING OBIMBO
Thanks Jeremy for your comments.
It is apparent that the Bush Administration broke the law and promises made to the international community. Many of the comments above demonstrate a deep unease with constitutional freedoms; but despite the fearmongering evident on this board, America is not a nation of cowards.
The best antidote is sunshine.
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Pat: I despise suffering whomever it may afflict, I just don't believe that everyone detained is necessarily part of AQ. What have you read that makes you believe that everyone detained is an "AQ thug?"
Jeremy, you are known by the company you keep. Ever heard of that one?
And you might want to get out of the clouds and realize that AQ wants to inflict pain on you. A little realism will help you a lot. This isn't La-La Land.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, et al should be put on trial using the same legal doctrines put into place in the war crimes trials of the Germans and the Japanese.
Real American | 07.12.09 - 3:39 am |
Do you know the difference between military personnel and enemy combatants? Those trials were for crimes against military personnel and innocent civilians they wanted gone from their culture. HUGE difference.
Read and learn. Books can be your friend. Quit reading Kos Kids and DUmmies. Stay away from all Soros funded websites. You are being led by people who want our culture destroyed because they generally just hate everyone but themselves.
AQ will take off your head. Waterboarding keeps you alive.
The best antidote is sunshine.
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Zachriel
Sounds like you need a little sunshine because your mind isn't working too well. You are one delusional person. Read a history book. You need to learn a few things.
By the way, your homepage is way out of date.
To: 19%ers (White, rural, right-wing, torture-loving, fringe idiots from "real" America)
From: 58%ers (Smart, educated, urban and urbane REAL Americans who are effectively working to create a more civilized, European-style world.)
Ha Ha Ha! You hear us? He He He Hee Hee Hooooo....
We love it! We love that you guys have your underwear in a bunch, that you are brimming with anger, that you can barely see because of your apoplexy. We will enjoy it for the next eight years. Oh the world is changing, and it is sweet. Universal health care is on the way, and nothing you can do will stop it. You will spend the next 50 years trying to dismantle it to no avail, just like you've been trying to dismantle Social Security since the 1930s. The energy bill will change the planet and the US for the better, and there's nothing you can do about it. You hear us? NOTHING!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
We love it that you love Sarah Palin. Please please please nominate her for President in 2012. Nothing will ensure another four years of progress than that. Oh sure, at some point, another Republican will get elected (2020?). No majority lasts forever (Mr. Rove). But that person will not be able to undo the progress that the Obama administration will have set in stone. Social Security and Civil Rights are now a fait accompli, and though idiots still try to attack them at the fringes, they aren't going anywhere. The same will happen with all the Obama programs. Your greatest fears are being realized: a new world order is at hand!
And by the way, your numbers will keep dwindling. You are 19% of the population right now, but demographics are not on your side. Soon, white people will be a minority. Our increasingly numerous Black and Hispanic brethren and our growing urban centers will ensure your voices will continue to be marginalized until some day in the not-so-distant future they will be extinguished, just as backward, reactionary, pseudo-christian redneck zealotry always is.
Enjoy it while you can, suckers!!!! BWAAAAA-HAAAAAA-HAAAAAAA!
From: 58%ers (Smart, educated, urban and urbane REAL Americans who are effectively working to create a more civilized, European-style world.)
...and you prove it by posting the same unhinged rant over and over again.
Enough. I go to sleep now.
What in the world is this 19% vs 58%? If you are saying that libs/lefties/dems/commies outnumber conservatives, you are wrong. In fact, it is just the opposite and growing.
to the 58% educated as-ho it will be
over your dead body
"Our increasingly numerous Black and Hispanic brethren and our growing urban centers..."
I would refrain from counting those chickens before they hatch, Comrade. We rednecks conquered most of the known world when we comprised a far smaller percentage of the population. Cortez conquered Mexico with 150 men, all of them smarter and better trained than those they faced. Charles Martel held back the raging Turks, an outnumbered and undersupplied Julius Caesar defeated the Gauls in their own homeland, and a few hundred Voortrekkers defeated 10's of thousands of Zulu at Blood River. We are the same people today, but with a veneer of tolerance that is starting to wear thin.
What else can he do? He wasn't born on US soil. Is not a citizen. Is not constitutionally eligble to occupy the Oval Office. He is a freak, a bug. An errand boy for the Muslim Brotherhood.
And won't give a second thought. To ANY citizen who may get in his way. He stabbed Dubya in the back, before even taking the oath of office.
He is pure filth. Scum.
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Bozo the raging clown and the Circus of follies. Distraction and raging stupidity. Obama continually tortures people by his naïveté.
Mr. 58% forgets that the prototypes for his "European-style world" exist -- and continue to exist -- only because of the umbrella of American military force, deployed/applied according to conservative principles, that protects them at virtually no cost to them.
If his new world order is realized, that umbrella will fold up ... leaving Europe -- and all who follow them in this alleged "new world order" -- open to the Russian Bear and Islamic Wolves to feast upon.
That is, if the hollow intellectual shell of Mr. 58%'s society doesn't collapse first, as more and more of his assumed support realizes that his approach to human interaction is a fool's errand, and returns to the sound principles of human interaction that this nation was founded upon.;
And BTW, we "pseudo" Christians have survived for around 2000 years ... good luck trying to eradicate us. Not to mention, we've read the ending of the story ... and we win.
THEY HAVE TO DISTRACT YOU FROM NOTICING THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER, AND THAT EVERYTHING THEY DO IS BAD FOR AMERICA.
We've been thinking the same about the president,he has spent more money on trips with family members and night outs that would feed alot of Ameican Citizen and their schooling for the kids and the expensive taste they have is down right selfish. No I DON'T believe OBAMA GIVES A TOOT ABOUT THE REAL CITIZENS. ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS TAXES TO GO TO AFRICA AND OTHER COUNTRYS FOR ABORATION and the Illegals.-MUSLIM. He talked about helping the colleage students and schools-getting great teachers getting away from over seas oil and alot more ,but do are wealthy care and we made these stars rich as long as he don't raise their taxes. they all they need to feel what the middle class people get.Nobody really knows where this person came from or whom he is really is for not us.It looks like. He bowed to a saudi arbra king and didn't too the Queen he was looking at another womens behind and all the nbc cnn today cbs and a few others never tell the truth about him and his plans they sugar coat everything look at the flag pin he didn't want to wear it because he didn't want to take sides. He thinks our National Anthem is morbid,how maney times have you heard our pledge or song at any games or school activties anymore . yes we're mad at the way he just let illegals into our California and other places too gave them everything free we have so many people from different countrys with out background checks and our taxes are going to them . how do you tax people when there arent' many jobs any more No we don't think this health care plan is going to work because if you have an hmo they'll more than likely raise our copay for seeing the doctors and pills. did you know the black panthers are on the governments payroll too, seen them on t.v. blocking people from voting isn't that great. you know were not racesit,but were begining to wonder if the government is. they sure seem to working for themself and others.Really wonder if the campagin wasn't regged, but think with our government maybe.we shouldn't have to pay for anyones vacations or transportatios to work or any where only the presidents and vp trips on business and wages for all but they aslo should conserve on spending they should pay for their own personel thing not us. Government takes too much of our money that could be helping this country and hospitals nureses and so much more.get rid of the illegals .now and bring home our National gaurd to proptect our borders,write to the president house speaker babara boxer -fienstine-and everyone you can shows papers if we as American Citizens don't stand up and let them know they are RUNNING US INTO THE GROUND is that what there doing.Let get these jokers out. they are not working for us. tHEY TALKING TO DIFFERENT COUNTRYS IS GREAT BUT STOP GIVING OUR MONEY TO THEM BUILD OUR STATE BACK UP oBAMA PRAISES ALL OTHER COUNTRYS AND RUNS US DOWN,WHAT KIND OF PERSON IS HE. TILL HE DOES SOMETHING LIKE Jfk reagan roosevelt and abe did then maybe after he is gone he might get his picture till then NOHe should never be compared with JFK ROOSEVELT-ABE- THEY DIDN'T ALL THE TECHNONOLGY TODAY,Obama doesn't have to go over seas he can use our satellit technonolgy. our EEnglish language should be our national lanugage he with biden-clinton and few others voted it down now there trying to remove in God we trust. Tiger woods really made a great speech on obama inauguration and not very many channels talked about it because it wasn't about Obama's,thats whats wrong with this president he didn't get hasseled enough over the things he said and his wife and paster. He would not be in office today if he couldn't prove where he was really born. nobody seems to have any paper workof the college or unvesities he supposedly went too.Do we dilike him no we just think he wasn't check out enough because the rich wanted him, they shouldn't of put Mc Cain aganist him thats way we believe it was set up.
FOLKS,if all americans don't start writing to every offical with their concern of the spending of the Obama and letting everyone in our country with out speaking our language and having job skills and swearing in on our bible No other,and paying their way and no subsidizing, besides making babies for others to support and draining all our systems that our being taken away from our older Citizens,is a darn right crime,we don't have anyone in our government that is for the real American Citizens they have taken our jobs away so other countries will reap the benefits from them and we will have nothing here we can't even have our farmers grow our vegetables or have people raise our beef-chicken or what ever here in the U.S.A.what kind of jobs do we get here welfare jobs-social service- human resource-what about contractors with fixing briges homesand so fouth with out English and lic to know what to do and if it's right.Our President didn't want to wear the flag pin he said he didn't want to take sides and how many times do we hear our pledge said or our National Anthem at schools or games or at and convention any more he said our song was morbid,he didn't hear Kate Smith sing it. The Obama and the reat of his government spend to much of our money on themselves and over seas and to all these loan companys and congress cutting raises and bonuses that no body should get till we get china off our back and this great America on its feet. you don't raise Taxes on a country that don't have people working and even then it's best to keep it down for competion. Maybe if all the Rich and very wealthy would give up some of their money for the U.S and stop sending their money over seas and put it into our baanks and investors and start adopting children here maybe we'd get our state back on its feet after all we helpped make these people rich and it would be nice to have our military respected form all this Government give them the beds and food the marines get wether here or over seas they are in danger as long as Obama lets Muslim into our country that hate them. god blees us all and our troops.I REALLY PRAY THE BLACKS WILL BE WITH US ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE OBAMA CAME INTO THE PICTURE AND WE HAVE HELPPED THEM OUT ALOT .
It sounds really out of touch to say "the blacks," as if they're some monolithic, homogeneous group with identical interests.
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