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i knew President Bush & Cheney et al have not only been comforting the
family & friends of fallen soldiers, and visiting wounded soldiers at WR et
al.. but soldiers on bases right here at home..
blame the press yes, but not the President..
God Bless America!
God Bless Bush & Cheney et al!
God Bless Soldiers everywhere for putting THEIR
lives on the line to protect us ALL from terrorism!
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GWB and Dick Cheny did their job. The list of those that didnt is too boring to recount. To hell with the GOP AND the dems. George Bush will get his story written someday and these 2 "parties" will be finally made to look like the fools they are. I'll save my wrath for the MSM and the lefty cut-and-runners for another day.
GOD bless our TROOPS
and our Commander-in-chief
geo. bush is probably a compassionate guy. but he also didn't want to wage war on the dems because he needed every single friend he had in politics to keep anything going.
and he couldn't turn cheney loose on the dems & press, could he? but it would have been sweet to watch!
I see your point but a I think the rule here is to always do whats right!
Its just wrong to use the death of soldiers to help your image.
In the long run "always do whats right" will serve you well. Its only under these extraordinary circumstances where we have a hostile media unwilling to report any helpful news.
This will pass.
I am proud of the Bush Administration. Character is who you are when no one is looking. Especially in politics.
I suspect they were motivated by love and compassion for these people so tragically affected by the war. Maybe they considered the private moments shared during these visits to be of far greater and lasting value than a momentary blip in some "Favorable Rating" poll.
These were private meetings. The soldiers and their families were free to make them public, if they wished (and a few did), but it was not the place of Bush or Cheney to USE those meetings or those people for their own purposes. Just because others in their shoes would have done so does not make it right.
A funny thing happened to me this morning. I too featured this Washington Times piece over at Libertarian Republican blog, with the tricky headline: "Washington Paper busts open new Bush/Cheney scandal: Clandestine operation by White House."
Of course, the article went on to praise Bush. But if you only read the headline, you'd think it was the pro-liberal line. And of course, we being Libertarians, we had the added aura of perhaps a Ron Paul thing, or Anti-War.
Guess what?
We were picked up by Google Blog Search's front page headlines. This happens very rarely. The two times it happened before were because we were being critical of the GOP.
Ya think the editors at Google might just have thought the same about this piece?
Lots of good comments here that I second. Especially about the media.
Visitors to the White House are no secret. Any good press agent could have disseminated the info, but the press is aggressively anti-GW & Co.
Anything on the White House's part would have been reported as vapid & self-serving to promote a 'failed policy for an illegal war, blah, blah, blah...'
If anything, the RNC leadership was complicit in a lackluster promotion of Republican goals and ideas, etc. Poor job at the top defending a sitting President and his policies.
But if I was to name a White House fault, (and I hate to characterize it this way), GW Bush gave wa-ay to much credit for discernment and intelligence to the American people on how to wade through the fifth column's BS.
The media can shovel it much faster than the public can process and sort through it.
BHO understood this all too well, and one reason he was selected.
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"They(Bush/Cheney) kept America safe."
I'm getting real tired of hearing this BS.
They ignored the warnings. As in "didn't lift a finger". As in did nothing.
And the worst terror attack in U.S history happened on their watch.
That is not keeping us safe. That is a monumental failure.
Far be from me to defend the press, but the reason these visits and events weren't in the papers was because the President didn't want them to be public. The Whitehouse staff did just what they were told and didn't promote the meetings. I'm sure the Whitehouse press corps knew but also knew that the meetings weren't for political consumption.
That the President was calling and/or meeting with the families of soldiers killed in the war was publicly known since the beginning. We didn't know the extent but that is credit to President Bush, who made sure the visits private and not used for politics.
To blame GWB or Cheney for the failures of the GoP is ludicrous. Once GWB got the job of POTUS it is no longer incumbent on his office to run the party. This just smacks of advanced BDS or infantilism we are used to seeing from the Left - the 'it's somebody elses fault' line.
Grow up or go home.
I do not blame President Bush for the failings of the GOP. I was not an exuberent supporter of everything he did. However, my family and I have been kept safe for the last several years amongst many real threats of terrorism that have not been given a chance to come to fruition, directly as a result of his policies.
The press will not give him any credit for anything good. He recieved none for the low un-employment we had before the downturn. There was barely a mention about his advisors calling attention to the possible housing problems with Fanny and Freddie, ya know the ones that Barney Frank said he couldnt see.
I remember a comment by Rush Limbaugh several years ago mentioning that there was no way the Dems could capitalize on a bad economy during the election. That was true at the time, we were doing fine. Then the Dems took majority and everything went suspiciously to shit.
President Bush is a good man who was dogged from the start. Mainly because the 2000 election ws so close and the Dems were not allowed to steal it. The events of 9-11 turned him into a hero then he dropped to a zero after the Iraq invasion. He still pressed on, without concern for his own record. One day, he will be recognized as someone who changed things. Look at the current events in Iraq; the Iraqi Christians are openly celebrating Christmas. That to me is big.
To hell with the press and to hell with the GOP. If the GOP is too stupid to capitalize on the swamp of BS that pours out of the DNC then they deserve to fail. Their record is theirs to write.
"I have been kept safe for the last several years amongst many real threats of terrorism"
More BS. Name one.
"The events of 9-11 turned him into a hero"
And this simply blows my mind. Ignore the warnings. Do nothing. Stay on vacation. And have the worst terror attack in U.S. history happen on your watch, and the wingnuts think you're a hero.
Bizzarro world.
jharp: what warnings did bush get? credible warnings? and furthermore, how well did clinton do in defeating terrorism when he had the chance?
you can't blame everything in world on geo. bush. that would be childish.
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As President Bush says, "It is my duty".
Our soldiers know that they are fighting terrorism to keep us safe at home and they know that our Commander in Chief knows this too.
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I agree. Bush was the most self-centered president in history. Neither a good steward of his party, the country, its economy, the budget, our money, and on and on, if the negro had any balls, he'd have him arrested at the inauguration and imprisoned. His only accomplishment, only legacy is utter failure in every conceivable way. If he really wanted to protect us, he would have nuked the entire Middle East, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. How much safter would the world be with a billion fewer muslims?
I'm not trolling; I'm just sick of gutless conservatives who worship the MAN over our ideas. If I want that 'branding' crap, I could be a democrat and fall prostrate before the negroid.
"jharp: what warnings did bush get? credible warnings?"
The August 6th memo titled "bin laden determined to attack within the U.S." and there was some evidence of possibly using planes.
And Bush didn't lift one finger. Did nothing. And 3,000 Americans died.
"Our soldiers know that they are fighting terrorism to keep us safe"
More utter BS. Iraq was not a threat. Had nothing to do with 911. Had no WMD's. No connection to al Qaeda. Was an enemy of al Qaeda. And al Qaeda was not in Iraq until after we invaded and overthrew their government.
You are either seriously misinformed, an idiot, or a liar.
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jharp @ 10:04 am
hah, that is pure unadulterated crap & you darn well know it too.. yet you
keep shoveling it on the public domain as if you actually believe intelligent
people will lap it up.. you are pathetic, truly you are.. *sigh*
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Jharp. you're an idiot and a lier, that PDB had even less info than one issued in December 1998, listing the same consideration, but including some of the key players like Abu Haf Al Masri (Mustafa Atef) dead winter 2001, and Colonel Seif al Adel. Which target would you guard, which would you have left off, for how long. Who would you have stopped, on what grounds
He may have sent the GOP to hell, but he's ensuring that his legacy is fine.
Misplaced priorities.
Blame the press. It is going to be the Democrats' fault. Not Bush and Cheney.
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just a SAMPLE:
Saddam and al-Qaeda
["Saddam's interest in, and support for, non-Iraqi non-state actors was spread across a wide variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. For years, Saddam maintained training camps for foreign ‘fighters' drawn from these diverse groups. In some cases, particularly for Palestinians, Saddam was also a strong financial supporter. Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al-Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al-Qaeda's stated goals and objectives."]
About the Ties Between Saddam and Osama
[9/11 Commission Report Confirms Administration's
Views of al-Qaeda/Iraq Ties
[snip]
On Thursday, both President Bush and the 9/11 Commission's Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton commented on press reaction to this 9/11 Commission staff report:
"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda. This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al-Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two."
- President George W. Bush, 06/17/04 ]
Media Suppress Hamilton’s Scolding of Misreporting of Iraq-Qaeda
[Kean: “Were there contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq? Yes. Some of them are shadowy, but there’s no question they were there.”
Hamilton, two soundbites: “I must say I have trouble understanding the flap over this. The Vice President is saying, I think, that there were connections between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't disagree with that.”
“So it seems to me that the sharp differences that the press
has drawn, the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me.”
Thus Hamilton undermined the premise of two days of the media
line on how the report supposedly undermined Bush and Cheney.]
btw: just so's ya knows.. AQ was spawned by The Muslim Brotherhood..
ps: you can look both them & their "Project" up via Google..
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jharp | 12.22.08 - 10:35 am |
"I have been kept safe for the last several years amongst many real threats of terrorism"
More BS. Name one.
Are you serious? Here's a start:
Jose Padilla - dirty bomb plot
The Buffalo Cell
Iyman Faris - Brooklyn Bridge plot
Virginia Jihad Network
Dhiren Barot - New York Stock Exchange plot
James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj - New York subway plot
Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain - diplomat assassination plot
Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat - Pakistani terrorist training
LA National Guard plot
Michael C. Reynolds - Refinery bomb plot
Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee - terrorism support in U.S.
Sears Tower plot
Assem Hammoud - New York train tunnel plot
Fort Dix Plot
JFK Plot
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - multiple plots
... and those are just the ones that are public knowledge.
Anonymous comment at 12:16 was me.
jharp, just to add to your stupidity, you blame President Bush for the attacks on 9-11. Of course, you ignore that the first attempt was tried on Clinton's watch. It wasn't Clinton's expertise in fending off terrorist attacks aimed at the World Trade Center that prevented that attack from killing almost 3,000 people, it was the total ineptness of the terrorists themselves who botched the attack.
But that did not stop the terrorists as they continued to attack American interests all across the globe under a Clinton administration. When you give no more importance to a jihadist than you do to some punk with a gun who robs a 7-11, the jihadists will continue their evil plans.
For years, and especially during the Clinton administration, the alarm on radical Islam was going off. Clinton hit the snooze button and rolled over.
Perhaps you would like to tell us illiterate conservatives what overt action Clinton took after the U.S.S. Cole? Or does killing Americans on foreign soil not count with you?
Do you liberals ever think for yourself? Or do you follow the herd when it comes to what the Democrats spew?
You seem to have forgotten that all your beloved Democrats voted for the Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq. Now, you can parse exactly what that means, but the title of the bill is self explainatory.
Any type of cooperation by President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. will be viewed as weakness. Now he will use his entire name when he is sworn in (although it was off limits during his campaign) because we must "reboot" our relationship with Islam. Seems the "rebooting" should be done by the bastards that have been trying to kill Americans since 1979.
Grow up. Learn something. Stay away from people that will lie to you, like the far left bloggers and the MSM who are in the tank for your lying Democrat cut and runners.
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jharp @ 10:35 am
U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
20 Terrorist Plots Thwarted Since 9/11
actually, it's more like 30, but you only asked for one..
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Suburban Scarecrow @ 12:16/18 pm
thanks.. 
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"jharp, just to add to your stupidity, you blame President Bush for the attacks on 9-11."
No, birdbrain. I blame Bush for not lifting a finger when he was warned. He did nothing. The attacks might or might not have been able to be stopped.
But Bush didn't even try.
More BS. Name one.
"Are you serious? Here's a start:"
Yes I am serious. Your citations are all BS. All of them.
"The alarming news flashed across America's TV screens on Thursday evening: government agents had thwarted an al-Qa'ida plot, using home-grown American terrorists, to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago in a ghastly repeat of 9/11.
A combo of photos released by the US Department of Justice shows the seven men arrested in Miami and charged with allegedly planning attacks on the Sears Tower in Chicago and other government buildings. Top L-R: Burson Augustin, Rotschild Augustine and Naudimar Herrera. Bottom L-R: Narseal Batiste, Lyglenson Lemorin and Patrick Abraham. Far R: Stanley Grant Phanor. (AFP/DOJ)
When the dust had settled barely 24 hours later, a rather more modest version of events had emerged. The seven young black men arrested at a warehouse in Miami and Atlanta had never been in touch with al-Qa'ida, and had no explosives. Their "plan" to destroy America's tallest building was little more than wishful thinking, expressed by one of them to an FBI informant purporting to be a member of Osama bin Laden's terrorist organisation"
http://www.commondreams.org/head...s06/0625-
04.htm
You guys are fools. Fools I tell you. You all got slickered. There's more if you'd like.
As a committed conservative, I am a fan of many in the GOP. But with all due respect, the President and Vice-President's special attention to the troops has nothing to do with helping any political party.
Extra kudos to them for not politicizing this. I hope the GOP learns from this as well.
"As a committed conservative, I am a fan of many in the GOP. But with all due respect, the President and Vice-President's special attention to the troops has nothing to do with helping any political party."
As a committed liberal I am a fan of few in the GOP. And with all due respect the President and VP special attention to the troops is the least they can do after getting 4,200 of them killed and 30,000 of them maimed for an unnecessary war.
"Extra kudos to them for not politicizing this."
Then why the photo ops? Politicizing this it is exactly what they have done.
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jharp,
"4,200 of them killed"
So who do you think killed them?
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jharp @ 1:14 pm
aah yes, the typical "you can never
satisfy me" fiberals bottom line:
America and in particular President Bush are
"damned if they do & damned if they don't"..
nah, don't bother trying to figure it out, they've been using it
for decades now, so they must think it's a brilliant strategy..
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"So who do you think killed them?"
The guys who planted the IED's.
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jharp
scrolling trolls, scrolling trolls, scrolling all the way..
Happy Christmas 
Merry New year
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It Has Always Been The Soldier
It is the soldier,
not the President who gives us democracy.
It is the soldier,
not the Congress who takes care of us.
It is the soldier,
not the Reporter who has given us Freedom of Press.
It is the soldier,
not the Poet who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier,
not the campus Organizer who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier,
who salutes the flag;
who serves beneath the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
that allows the protester to burn the flag.
(Father Dennis O'Brien, US Marine Corp. Chaplain)
Thank You One & All..
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jharp @ 12:54 pm
imperialist ass much??
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jharp,
" The guys who planted the IED's."
who are they?
Are they Iraqi?
Are they Afghani?
Are we doing it to ourselves?
Please enlighten us?
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Your citations are all BS. All of them.
jharp | 12.22.08 - 12:54 pm |
You guys are fools. Fools I tell you. You all got slickered. There's more if you'd like.
jharp | 12.22.08 - 1:00 pm |
So what you are saying is there have been no terror attempts on the U.S. or on U.S. interests since 9/11. They're just leaving us alone for some reason not related to our following up leads and taking action against them. You sticking with that story?
Bush and Cheney didn't do it for their own political benefit or advantage; they did it solely for the military members and their families.
"So what you are saying is there have been no terror attempts on the U.S. or on U.S. interests since 9/11."
No, I'm not saying that. Did you forget about the anthrax?
"They're just leaving us alone for some reason not related to our following up leads and taking action against them."
I believe they are leaving us alone mainly because they have us right where they want us.
Pinned down in two unwinnable wars slowing bankrupting our treasury. And having the rest of the world hating our guts. And it worked beautifully thanks to Bush.
An attack would only cause sympathy for us. Something they do not want or need.
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bg,
actually, it's more like 30, but you only asked for one..
that is one scary video
When 9/11 happened, I kept asking myself, what had I missed? There were terrorists wanting to kill us. Then I heard that they were Muslims. That didn't make sense because during Vietnam many Muslims said their religion forbade killing. Mohammed Ali was the most famous. Again, what had I missed?
I read once about the Holocaust, that when we first heard about it, we could not comprehend it, because psycologically we could not process the horror.
I think President Bush has a greater grasp of this than we realize......
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The thing about jharp is he's not very smart.
He thought the Dems won 20 seats in the Senate and 70 in the House, when the real numbers were 7 and 22 respectively. He just made up the numbers because those were what he wanted them to be.
He thinks Iraq had no connections to al Qaeda because that's how he wants it to be. He rejects all empirical evidence that doesn't comport with his preconceived notions.
He also criticizes the red states for accepting too many federal dollars, but he supports a president elect who's promising to give a mind-blowing amount of federal dollars to all states.
When somebody believes really stupid things, that means he's an idiot, so he's not worth engaging.
Tom W,
The dems won 15 seats and about 60 house seats since 2004. A rough guess just as I did before. Jackass.
It is you who is ignorant. Iraq had less ties to al Qaeda than the Florida.
Do you believe we should have attacked Florida for harboring and training terrorists?
The dems won 15 seats and about 60 house seats since 2004. A rough guess just as I did before. Jackass.
Nice swivel-hipping, hon. You never said "since 2004" in your posts. You also admitted that you made up the numbers. Jackasses are people who make stuff up because they're comforted by childish fantasies.
It is you who is ignorant. Iraq had less ties to al Qaeda than the Florida.
"The Florida"?
Since you reject all empirical evidence that doesn't comport with your fantasies, there's no point in listing all the connections between Saddam and al Qaeda.
One question, though: When the Clinton administration indicted bin Laden in 1998, why did they say that al Qaeda and Iraq cooperated on weapons development and training?
"Nice swivel-hipping, hon. You never said "since 2004" in your posts."
And I never said 2008 either. Jackass.
Oh, and by the way Tom W, 2006 is when the GOP drubbing began.
And if you'd like to look it please do but as near as I can tell it's about 15 Senators and about 60 Representatives.
And the White House. Since 2006!
Answer the question about the 1998 indictment.
See, you can't answer the question about the 1998 indictment, because it contradicts your fantasy that Saddam and al Qaeda had no connections. So you run, run, run away.
But I'm the jackass.
Gotcha.
jharp/jeff,
Can you ever possibly communicate intelligently WITHOUT cursing?????
Or is that some sort of defect in yourself?
Run, run, run away, little jharp.
Run, run, run. Chased away by a simple question.
Manly, two-fisted leftist, speaking truth to power, and then--
"Eeeeeek!" A little tiny mouse appears in the form of a question that shows you're completely full of warm, wet, ripe horse manure, and lift your skirts and scamper away.
Puh-thetic.
Can you ever possibly communicate intelligently WITHOUT cursing?????
Do you mean this?
jack⋅ass
1. a male donkey.
2. a contemptibly foolish or stupid person; dolt; blockhead; ass.
Give me a break. You're joking? Right?
Answer the question about the 1998 indictment of bin Laden.
Why did the Clinton administration allege that al Qaeda and Saddam cooperated on weapons development and training?
Come on, tough-talkin' jharp. Don't be afraid.
Come on, tough-talkin' jharp, manly man of the Interwebs. Don't be afraid.
"Why did the Clinton administration allege that al Qaeda and Saddam cooperated on weapons development and training?"
Uh, because they were wrong. And Clinton didn't bomb and invade a sovereign country based on flimsy evidence that clearly didn't hold up. he issued an indictment.
A huge difference. get it?
"WASHINGTON - There’s no evidence Saddam Hussein had ties with al-Qaida, according to a Senate report issued Friday on prewar intelligence that Democrats say undercuts President Bush’s justification for invading Iraq.
Bush administration officials have insisted on a link between the Iraqi regime and terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Intelligence agencies, however, concluded there was none."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14728447/
You are a "contemptibly foolish or stupid person; dolt; blockhead;"
Is that better, Daniel?
"WASHINGTON - There’s no evidence Saddam Hussein had ties with al-Qaida, according to a Senate report issued Friday on prewar intelligence that Democrats say undercuts President Bush’s justification for invading Iraq.
The only problem is that the conclusions of that report don't actually match the report itself.
If you did your homework, you'd know that the conclusions of the reports issued by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence are written by the Democrats, and they often contradict the reports of the Committee.
Check this out, from your own article:
The chairman of the committee, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said it has long been known that prewar assessments of Iraq “were a tragic intelligence failure.”
But he said the Democratic interpretations expressed in the report “are little more than a vehicle to advance election-year political charges.” He said Democrats “continue to use the committee to try and rewrite history, insisting that they were deliberately duped into supporting the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime.”
D'oh!
P3WNED!
You're easily the stupidest leftist I've ever confronted. This is all so basic, I can't believe you actually think you're making valid points!
Idiot!
And Clinton didn't bomb and invade a sovereign country based on flimsy evidence that clearly didn't hold up.
Why do you idiots always use the term "sovereign nation"?
Are there any non-sovereign nations, you dummy?
What does the issue of sovereignty have to do with the issue? If we'd bombed some non-sovereign territory or principality or colony, would that have been less heinous?
You guys are like myna birds. You repeat stuff without even knowing what the hell it means.
Tom W.,
Amen.
Ask him how many blogs he's been banned from because of his foul mouth.
Maybe he'll answer you.
For people who are interested, here are several connections between Saddam and terrorists. Some links may be out of date, so use your Google-fu to find your own info.
Who's the jackass, jharp? Who's the empty-headed myna bird?
1. Iraqi memo dated March 11, 2001, showing that Saddam recruited suicide volunteers to attack U.S. interests.
http://powerlineblog.com/
archive...3670.php#013670
2. Iraqi memo dated November 22, 1999, showing that Saddam’s chemists trained “Arab fedayeen” how to make IEDs
http://powerlineblog.com/archive...ives/
013815.php
3. From 1999 to 2002, Saddam ran training camps in Iraq that produced thousands of Islamic terrorists.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Co...06/
550kmbzd.asp
4. Mohammed Atta was trained by Abu Nidal in Baghdad.
Daily Telegraph article from December 12, 2003, titled “Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam,” by Con Coughlin.
http://tinyurl.com/z6v4
5. Russian Intelligence warned the U.S. that Saddam’s special forces were planning acts of terrorism inside the U.S., as well as against U.S. military and civilian interests abroad.
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=2777
6. Top secret Iraqi document dated March 28, 1992, lists Osama bin Laden as an asset of the Iraqi intelligence services.
http://tinyurl.com/ks4at
7. In 1992, Ayman al Zawahiri--who later became the Number Two in al Qaeda--visited Baghdad for a meeting with Saddam Hussein.
http://tinyurl.com/7d7hx
8. Saddam’s intelligence service gave Ansar al-Islam money and weapons.
http://tinyurl.com/78hzj
9. Members of an Iraqi secret-police organization called Unit 999 were dispatched to camps in Afghanistan to instruct Al Qaeda terrorists.
http://tinyurl.com/ywp78r
10. Iraq gave Abdul Rahman Yasin, a 1993 World Trade Center bombing conspirator, both money and sanctuary.
http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z
11. Abu Zubayr, an officer in Saddam's secret police, was also the ringleader of an al Qaeda cell in Morocco. He attended the September 5, 2001 meeting in Spain with other al Qaeda operatives, including Ramzi Bin-al-Shibh, the 9/11 financial chief.
http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z
12. Iraq made direct payments to the Philippine-based al Qaeda-affiliated Abu Sayyaf group.
http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z
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jharp
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Give me a break. You're joking? Right?
jharp | 12.22.08 - 3:54 pm
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Actually, no. I am not joking.
Anyone who devolves into vulgarity and cursing to "get their point across" isn't going to be viewed as a mature individual.
You do yourself, and everyone else, a disservice by invoking such language.
If you truly want to be considered as someone worthy of debate, you should try cleaning up your retorts.
P.S.
Insulting people just because you don't find any other way to handle a (cough) "debate" puts you in the category of someone never to be taken seriously, nor believed.
So grow up already.
Jeffrey.
jharp quotes MSNBC for his supposed debate?
No wonder the GoP is consigned to the ash heap of history.
Brave Sir jharp ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir jharp turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir jharp!
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I think President Bush has a greater grasp of this than we realize......
saintfostermom @ 2:51 pm
oh i so agree, but one man against what seems the like rest of the world
can only do so much.. however, i thank God for all he's done every day!!
most people pro & con Bush get that confused with the man on personal level.. they tend to skip over the "did" part entirely & jump to their own bias conclusions.. same with Bush, they don't take into account what the mans accomplished against all odds, they're too filled with hate of the Bush lied
myth the MSM created, which oddly enough they perpetrated.. aah, it's a vicious cycle..
any way one looks at it, we're either screwed, or screwed up..
God.Help.US.
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Tom W. | 12.22.08 - 4:31 pm |
I actually read through some of your links.
Mainly National Review, Weekly Standard, and powerline.
Those are the guys that led you into the wilderness. Too funny. It's all complete utter nonsense that has been refuted 2 years ago.
Keep right on listening to em. And turn on Rush Limbo and Hannity. And Savage too.
That'll work. GOP apologists, loser, and powerless minority.
It's all complete utter nonsense that has been refuted 2 years ago.
Actually, none of it has been refuted.
You just made that up, the way you made up the catastrophic losses of the Republicans this election.
You a chronic maker-upper, like a four-year-old.
Post links to the refutations, jharp.
Go for it.
Ooo, listen to the silence...
Republicans sent themselves to hell.
Funny how all those Republicans who endorsed, voted for and defended Bush are now claiming that he is the cause of all their problems while they absolve themselves and the GOP controlled Congress of 2000-6 of any and all responsibility for what they allowed him to do.
"Bush sent the GOP to hell."
No, he didn't. Bush was not a king. He did what you allowed him to do. You can't take a mulligan on your 8 years of silence. Nice try.
Sounds like a case of Bush Derangement Syndrome if you ask me...
???,
"No, he didn't. Bush was not a king. He did what you allowed him to do."
Excellent point. It was much more of a Republican failure. Bush was simply their minion. And in 2010 it's gonna be pretty tough to hide the water carrying in this day of the internet.
Good riddance to the whole lot of em. Could not be happier than to see them gone. Losers.
Hey, how about them links to the refutations of all my links, jharp?
Don't have any, do you? Because you made it up, the way you made up the catastrophic losses of the Republicans in Congress.
Aren't you embarrassed to be you?
Oooo, more nice, relaxing silence from jharp.
You got nothing. Admit it.
Aren't you embarrassed to be you?
Tom W. | 12.22.08 - 8:35 pm | #
Not at all. I'm successful in business. Happily married with two kids. Play golf and work when I want.
And my party has just annihilated the opposition party in the past two years.
Substantial wins. The White House, about 15 Senate seats, and about 60 House seats.
Two or three Supreme Curt Justices to follow.
Life is good.
Jaharp, you are not considering that there are meany things that you and I will never be told about in this fight on terror. The failed attempts that have failed are only a small amount that can be reported due to the covert nature of the fight.
You are only looking to fight those who support the right man for the job. Yes he made mistakes but I consider it Devine intervention that we had him and not Gore.
Take a pill and chill dude. The next administration is going to give you plenty to defend.
Damn should have proofed it before I sent it. Sorry.
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Male Silverback @ 9:24/25 pm..
oh not to worry..
it's the message, not the typo's that count..
Happy Christmas Merry New Year
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"Jaharp, you are not considering that there are meany things that you and I will never be told about in this fight on terror. The failed attempts that have failed are only a small amount that can be reported due to the covert nature of the fight."
And I believe you are dumber than a male silverback.
You have it completely backwards. A typical right wing hack. Every one of so called "thwarted terror attacks" are gross exaggerations. Sold to losers like you than have the brain of a gorilla. Get real. Why would they possibly want to hide the "successes" and at the same time tout the utter nonsensical invented stopped attacks.
You have no idea what you are talking about. No idea at all.
Not at all. I'm successful in business. Happily married with two kids.
God help them. Poor little things.
Watch this, everybody:
Every one of so called "thwarted terror attacks" are gross exaggerations.
Post a link proving this.
And now we can enjoy the abject silence from this poisonous mental patient who makes stuff up and is strangling in his own bile but still managed to find someone who'd reproduce with him.
What a nightmare for those kids, to have a father who spends all his time in a toxic fantasyland of his own making, where he says things and they magically come true, and he believes only the things that dovetail with his delusions.
How's that deficit looking?
How's that deficit looking?
It's nothing compared to what it'll be when Obama's done.
He's talking a cool trillion in federal spending.
Makes Bush look like a piker.
How's that deficit looking?
chris | 12.22.08 - 10:29 pm | #
Same as the U.S. economy, the Republican party, Iraq, Afghanistan, and everything else George Bush has had a hand in.
A complete and utter disaster.
Hey, jharp, why can't you post any links to articles refuting Saddam's connections to Islamic terrorism?
Is it because you made it up that these connections had been refuted?
How the hell do you figure you can be a good father when you make crap up just because it sounds good?
Is that what you've taught your kids? Make stuff up because it sounds good?
Post those links, big fella. Any loser can repeat "I hate Bush!" over and over like a myna bird with a two-volt brain, but if you want to convince us that you're more than a garden-variety mental patient, post links to articles refuting my links.
Mmmm-kay?
Hey, jharp, why can't you post any links to articles refuting Saddam's connections to al Qaeda?
Alright, I'll do it one time. But never again when you post ten links and ask to prove you're wrong will I provide such a courtesy.
"U.S. Military Concludes No Saddam Link to Al Qaeda"
http://blogs.abcnews.com/rapidre...sive-us-
mi.html
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s02/1010-
05.htm
Now kindly cut out your known BS and focus on something worthwhile.
Do it for your two kids, jharp.
Show them that you're not just a garden-variety mental patient who just makes crap up because it sounds good and repeats slogans like a myna bird with a two-volt brain.
Show them that a sentient human has informed opinions and doesn't believe things simply because someone else told him to believe it.
Prove to everybody that the Saddam had no links to terrorism. Show us who refuted those allegations and with what information.
Go!
Jeez, you obviously didn't read your own articles, you idiot.
The first one says Saddam had no link to al Qaeda, then in the next paragraph it says he supported terrorism all over the middle east and used it himself to stay in power.
The second article says this:
In that same letter, Tenet declassified "points for unclassified discussions" on the possible al Qaeda-Saddam link. One point is, "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade." Another is, "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression." A third is, "We have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad." And a fourth point is, "We have credible reporting that al Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs."
So, you moron, you proved my point!
Thanks.
Now kindly cut out your known BS and focus on something worthwhile.
How about the Amazing Self-refuting Jharp, who posts links to articles that disprove his own positions?
How stupid do you have to be to do that?
You really are a myna bird with a two-volt brain, aren't you?
You have a successful business? How is that possible? You can't think!
What's your business, eating mud and crapping out bricks? That's about all you could handle.
A big, dumb, brick-crapping myna bird. That's what you are.
Perfect!
I grow weary of the saccharine "at least he kept us safe" comments.
If you think for one minute that selecting an incompetent doofus such as Michael Chertoff to run DHS, or clueless Condi to run State, or to Karen Hughes to be special Presidential envoy to the Middle East, or thowing Ramos and Compean in prison (and steadfastly thus far refusing to pardon them) has kept ANY Americans safe, you are either incredibly naive or on drugs (or, perhaps, both).
The ONLY ones who kept us safe are the GIs on the front line and -- above all -- the God of the Bible (NOT Allah!).
I pray that we can do as well under the incoming Administration. (I have my doubts, however.)
Tom W,
ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: ABC News has obtained a comprehensive military study of Saddam Hussein's links to terrorism. The study, which is due to be released Wednesday, is based on the analysis of some 600,000 official Iraqi documents seized by US forces after the invasion. It is also based on thousands of hours of interrogations of former top officials in Saddam's government who are now in U.S. custody.
The headline: "This study found no 'smoking gun' (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda."
Others have reached the same conclusion, but no previous study has had access to so much information. Further, this is the first official acknowledgement from the U.S. military that there is no evidence Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda.
Read it again.
And you quoted the lies of Tenet and failed to mention that the entire point was there was nothing to back it up.
Go on, please. More Limbo, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, Boortz, Beck, O'Reilly, National review, William Kristol.
Go for it. Look where it's got you.
BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take–
RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.
BUSH: Yeah, that’s right. So what? The point is that al Qaeda said they’re going to take a stand. Well, first of all in the post-9/11 environment Saddam Hussein posed a threat. And then upon removal, al Qaeda decides to take a stand.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12...5/bush-so-what/
Are you a flat earth believer too, Tom W?
And you quoted the lies of Tenet and failed to mention that the entire point was there was nothing to back it up.
No, you idiot, that's David Corn's interpretation. The article says nothing about there being nothing to back it up.
And the ABC article misrepresented the Pentagon's findings.
The report said that they "found no 'smoking-gun' evidence linking Saddam and al Qaeda." That's very different from "There were no links between Saddam and al Qaeda."
Finding no direct connections is not the same there being no direct connections.
Further undermining your premise, the report also said this:
Captured documents reveal that the
regime was willing to co-opt or support organizations it knew to be part of al Qaeda - as long as that organization's near-term goals supported Saddam's longterm
vision.
http://www.federalistjournal.com...fedblog/?
p=3002
Even the ABC article says that Saddam supported terrorism all over the middle east.
You screwed up, because you're a big, dumb, brick-crapping myna bird.
Are you a flat earth believer too, Tom W?
No, I'm a believer in big, dumb, brick-crapping myna birds who post links to articles that disprove their own points.
Hey Tom,
Please take the time to let President Bush in on you new found evidence of Saddam's connection to al Qaeda.
It is obvious he is unaware.
RADDATZ: This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take–
RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.
BUSH: Yeah, that’s right. So what?
You are pathetic. It's over. 4,200 American's were killed based on a lie.
And you still promote the same lie. How does that make you feel? Are you looking for more soldiers to get killed? Is that what turns you on?
Here's the abstract of the report ABC News is talking about. This abstract was written by the Pentagon.
Captured Iraqi documents have uncovered evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist and Islamic terrorist organizations.
While these documents do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network, they do indicate that Saddam was willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al Qaeda as long as Saddam could have these terrorist-operatives monitored closely. Because Saddam's security organizations and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable overlap was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups.
This created both the appearance of and, in some way, a "de facto" link between the organizations. At times, these organizations would work together in pursuit of shared goals but still maintain their autonomy and independence because of innate caution and mutual distrust. Though the execution of Iraqi terror plots was not always successful, evidence shows that Saddam’s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the collapse of the regime.
Page 42 of the report:
Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/
we...raq_and_ter.asp
Check this out:
[T]he report ties Saddam’s regime to at least five different al Qaeda associated groups, including two groups that formed the core of al Qaeda.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/
we...y_connected.asp
Big surprise: The mainstream media and leftists distorted the reports' findings.
I'm shocked. Shocked.
Please take the time to let President Bush in on you new found evidence of Saddam's connection to al Qaeda.
For some reason you're under the impression that the quote from the Bush interview means there was no connection between Saddam and al Qaeda.
I must be retarded, because I can't see what your quotation has to do with anything.
And your point that al Qaeda wasn't a massive presence in Iraq until we invaded is pretty dumb. So what? Al Qaeda went to Iraq to prevent the establishing of an Arab democracy. We helped the Iraqis defeat al Qaeda, which wanted to impose a religious dictatorship on them.
The war in Iraq has laid the groundwork for inconceivably dramatic political and social changes in the middle east, all for the better. For the first time in modern history an Arab capital celebrated Christmas, and government officials said that today all their citizens were Christians.
Iraq is the only Arab country which has accredited Israeli journalists, and it now allows its citizens to travel openly to Israel.
None of this would've happened without the overthrowing of Saddam.
You think all of this is bad, but you're an idiot and a fanatic, so your opinions are worthless.
"Big surprise: The mainstream media and leftists distorted the reports' findings."
You forgot. George Bush also is distorting the reports findings.
I've had enough. Get over it. The war was based on lies.
And 4,200 American's have lost their lives as a result.
And the Republicans are very much a minority because of it.
I've had enough. Get over it. The war was based on lies.
In your silly head it was.
And 4,200 American's have lost their lives as a result.
Stop pluralizing with apostrophes. It makes you look like an even bigger moron.
At any rate, I'm on the side of the American troops who re-enlisted in record numbers to win the war in Iraq.
You're on the side of al Qaeda.
Judge people by the company they keep.
"For the first time in modern history an Arab capital celebrated Christmas, and government officials said that today all their citizens were Christians."
Please. You are a sick man.
Do you actually believe middle easterners would celebrate our invasion of Iraq since you make this claim?
Good grief. What is wrong with you? Are you drunk?
And the Republicans are very much a minority because of it.
Well, I'm not losing sleep over it. I'm not a Republican.
They screwed up. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes, because they're better for the country than the Dems.
The Dems will screw up just as bad as the Repubs did, and then the Repubs will come back into power, and then they'll screw up, etc., etc., etc.
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jharp @ 12:29 am
dunce much??
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Do you actually believe middle easterners would celebrate our invasion of Iraq since you make this claim?
We killed 25,000 French civilians on D-Day, June 6, 1944, yet every year the French give thanks to the U.S.
Are they all drunk?
"Well, I'm not losing sleep over it. I'm not a Republican."
That's good. Then contact your democratic representatives and let them know your stance on important issues.
It'll do you a hell of lot more good that defending the lies that led us to the disaster in Iraq.
That's good. Then contact your democratic representatives and let them know your stance on important issues.
It'll do you a hell of lot more good that defending the lies that led us to the disaster in Iraq.
Since there were no lies, I have no idea what you mean.
And why the hell would I contact the Democrats? They're much worse than the Republicans.
It's funny that the people who scream the most about the Iraq war are the ones who risk nothing and suffered nothing, while the people in the middle of it support it.
I could listen to you, or I could listen to this guy.
I'm on his side, not yours.
In the Name of God the Compassionate and Merciful
To the Courageous Men and Women of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who have changed the city of Tall' Afar from a ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, to a secure city flourishing with life.
To the lion-hearts who liberated our city from the grasp of terrorists who were beheading men, women and children in the streets for many months.
To those who spread smiles on the faces of our children, and gave us restored hope, through their personal sacrifice and brave fighting, and gave new life to the city after hopelessness darkened our days, and stole our confidence in our ability to reestablish our city.
Our city was the main base of operations for Abu Mousab Al Zarqawi. The city was completely held hostage in the hands of his henchmen. Our schools, governmental services, businesses and offices were closed. Our streets were silent, and no one dared to walk them. Our people were barricaded in their homes out of fear; death awaited them around every corner. Terrorists occupied and controlled the only hospital in the city. Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young.
This was the situation of our city until God prepared and delivered unto them the courageous soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who liberated this city, ridding it of Zarqawi's followers after harsh fighting, killing many terrorists, and forcing the remaining butchers to flee the city like rats to the surrounding areas, where the bravery of other 3d ACR soldiers in Sinjar, Rabiah, Zumar and Avgani finally destroyed them.
I have met many soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment; they are not only courageous men and women, but avenging angels sent by God Himself to fight the evil of terrorism.
The leaders of this Regiment; COL McMaster, COL Armstrong, LTC Hickey, LTC Gibson, and LTC Reilly embody courage, strength, vision and wisdom. Officers and soldiers alike bristle with the confidence and character of knights in a bygone era. The mission they have accomplished, by means of a unique military operation, stands among the finest military feats to date in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and truly deserves to be studied in military science. This military operation was clean, with little collateral damage, despite the ferocity of the enemy. With the skill and precision of surgeons they dealt with the terrorist cancers in the city without causing unnecessary damage.
God bless this brave Regiment; God bless the families who dedicated these brave men and women. From the bottom of our hearts we thank the families. They have given us something we will never forget. To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow in reverence to you and to the souls of your loved ones. Their sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls hovering around us every second of every minute. They will never be forgotten for giving their precious lives. They have sacrificed that which is most valuable. We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land. Let America, their families, and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life.
Finally, no matter how much I write or speak about this brave Regiment, I haven't the words to describe the courage of its officers and soldiers. I pray to God to grant happiness and health to these legendary heroes and their brave families.
NAJIM ABDULLAH ABID AL-JIBOURI
Mayor of Tall 'Afar, Ninewa, Iraq
"And why the hell would I contact the Democrats?"
Because they are the party in power now you knucklehead.
Yeah, but they're all like you. All they can do is repeat slogans like myna birds.
They're impervious to reality.
Another reason I could never have anything to do with the Democrat is because, like you, they have no human feelings.
You're unmoved by the letter from Mayor al-Jibouri, because it doesn't fit in with your political agenda. You filter out all input that doesn't confirm your view that Bush lied, and the war in Iraq is an abomination that must be ended immediately.
You're no longer capable of genuine human emotions. You're some kind of bizarre contraption that only thinks about political power and nothing else.
Despite all your raving, you don't actually care about the Iraqis or our troops. I do, so I can't be a Democrat.
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jharp..
disaster
[Mr. Paterson noted that the successes of the Bush administration’s escalation of military force in Iraq, known as the surge, were evident to him. Referring to American forces’ achievements in strengthening military security and political freedom, he said, “They, particularly in the last 18 months, turned this whole conflict around.” He added: “And I don’t think I understood that as well as I have in the past few days.”]
in
["What the (Iraqi) government has said is that no one will be forcibly transferred to a country where they fear persecution on account of political or religious beliefs or (where) they might face torture," Chang said.
The group, which has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, has been holding demonstrations outside UN offices in Geneva protesting against their possible expulsion from Iraq.
"What the government in Iraq has provided us, or has told us, are assurances that the residents of the camp will be treated humanely in accordance with their constitution, and laws and international obligations," Chang said.]
Iraq
[Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari welcomed the Security Council vote. After attending the session, he said the resolution is a strong signal that Iraq no longer poses a threat to the world, as it did under ousted leader Saddam Hussein.]
lions & tigers & bears, oh no!!
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Tom W wrote, regarding jharp:
For some reason you're under the impression that the quote from the Bush interview means there was no connection between Saddam and al Qaeda.
I must be retarded, because I can't see what your quotation has to do with anything.
I believe it's a fallacy known as appeal to authority. The jharp weasel seizes upon it like a drowning man does a life preserver and ignores all else.
Mustn't let facts spoil Teh Narrative!™
The jharp weasel seizes upon it like a drowning man does a life preserver and ignores all else.
I beg your pardon, sir! Jharp is not a weasel!
He's a big, dumb, mud-eating, brick-crapping myna bird.
If Bush has sent the GOP to hell why hasn't Gateway Pundit said something about it until now?
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