Oh no! I'm about to disagree on something *prepares big smile*
The disagreement in a moment. Other things first.
Cricket - You mean that really, really, really boring game for the upper middle classes that no-one understands or can bear to watch? That takes up hours and hours on telly? That suddenly had tens of thousand cheering the team in Trafalgar Square? I so wish someone had done a straw poll and asked how many of them could actually name any of the players, or to describe the rules. I hate cricket.
Ireland - I gave up trying to understand the problem there long ago. And I really can't stand the sight/sound of Ian Paisley - I really wish someone would shove a sock in his mouth live on telly.
Fuel protests - disagreement time - I'm really torn on this none.
I pay my taxes. My taxes should pay for my requirements as provided by government. That includes the roads that I drive on.
We all know that fuel duty/vehicle excise duty does NOT pay for the roads. It may go some way towards the roads, but nowhere near enough (especially now privatised roads and by-the-mile charges are now being considered).
Add to that all those road users who DON'T pay fuel duty, vehicle excise duty etc (like those fucking annoying cyclists who weave in and out of the traffic and through the red lights that I have to deal with every day).
No. As far as fuel duty is concerned, I consider it as another form of government leeching. Combined with the fact that as the price of fuel rises, the take in fuel duty also increases, I get nothing more for it other than an empty wallet. Further emptied by the rising costs in food/services as suppliers pass on their increased costs to the punter.
I know - I'll start getting the bus! Of course, I'll need to find a reliable bus service first. Then probably pay the increased fare to cover the increased fuel duty. And thank goodness I no longer live in the Highlands were I would have had no option but to pay for fuel due to the lack of public transport. Or be disabled and rely on a car.
Fuel duty is a very thorny issue. It's not as simple as 'pay more, get more'. And it really is time something was done. As I see it, the only people left on the roads in the near future will be all those twats driving around in their overpriced vanity 4x4's - the rest of us won't be able to afford to.
Or perhaps that's the plan.
*switches back to friendly mode again*
Oh no! I'm about to disagree on something *prepares big smile*
The disagreement in a moment. Other things first.
Cricket - You mean that really, really, really boring game for the upper middle classes that no-one understands or can bear to watch? That takes up hours and hours on telly? That suddenly had tens of thousand cheering the team in Trafalgar Square? I so wish someone had done a straw poll and asked how many of them could actually name any of the players, or to describe the rules. I hate cricket.
Ireland - I gave up trying to understand the problem there long ago. And I really can't stand the sight/sound of Ian Paisley - I really wish someone would shove a sock in his mouth live on telly.
Fuel protests - disagreement time - I'm really torn on this none.
I pay my taxes. My taxes should pay for my requirements as provided by government. That includes the roads that I drive on.
We all know that fuel duty/vehicle excise duty does NOT pay for the roads. It may go some way towards the roads, but nowhere near enough (especially now privatised roads and by-the-mile charges are now being considered).
Add to that all those road users who DON'T pay fuel duty, vehicle excise duty etc (like those fucking annoying cyclists who weave in and out of the traffic and through the red lights that I have to deal with every day).
No. As far as fuel duty is concerned, I consider it as another form of government leeching. Combined with the fact that as the price of fuel rises, the take in fuel duty also increases, I get nothing more for it other than an empty wallet. Further emptied by the rising costs in food/services as suppliers pass on their increased costs to the punter.
I know - I'll start getting the bus! Of course, I'll need to find a reliable bus service first. Then probably pay the increased fare to cover the increased fuel duty. And thank goodness I no longer live in the Highlands were I would have had no option but to pay for fuel due to the lack of public transport. Or be disabled and rely on a car.
Fuel duty is a very thorny issue. It's not as simple as 'pay more, get more'. And it really is time something was done. As I see it, the only people left on the roads in the near future will be all those twats driving around in their overpriced vanity 4x4's - the rest of us won't be able to afford to.
Or perhaps that's the plan.
*switches back to friendly mode again*
I love stuff to disagree about... 
My problem here is not so much about the specific issue of fuel tax as with people who just think they shouldn't have to pay tax, period. Up until a few weeks ago I was travelling 350 miles a week just going to and from work and as you can imagine that was costing me a lot of money. And in Devon, like the Highlands, there is no public transport alternative. Personally I got angry with OPEC rather than Gordon Brown. Maybe it's just me.
When I did get to work I'd have countless arguments with people - most of whom have PhDs in Physics - who indignantly thought they shouldn't have to pay tax at all.
I don't see tax as leeching. Public accounts are a matter of record, so you can always prove me wrong. You always get stuff in return for your tax pound. The Daily Mail might like to pretend that this can be done without administration cost - like civil servants should work without salary cos they love us all so much - but it can't.
High fuel tax is a choice of the underlying tax mix. For example, paying high tax on fuel means you pay less tax on children's clothes. If you have to buy petrol and you don't have kids that may seem harsh. But if you didn't pay it on fuel you'd have to pay it elsewhere.
I'll get my coat....
Are we still friends?
I love stuff to disagree about...
My problem here is not so much about the specific issue of fuel tax as with people who just think they shouldn't have to pay tax, period. Up until a few weeks ago I was travelling 350 miles a week just going to and from work and as you can imagine that was costing me a lot of money. And in Devon, like the Highlands, there is no public transport alternative. Personally I got angry with OPEC rather than Gordon Brown. Maybe it's just me.
When I did get to work I'd have countless arguments with people - most of whom have PhDs in Physics - who indignantly thought they shouldn't have to pay tax at all.
I don't see tax as leeching. Public accounts are a matter of record, so you can always prove me wrong. You always get stuff in return for your tax pound. The Daily Mail might like to pretend that this can be done without administration cost - like civil servants should work without salary cos they love us all so much - but it can't.
High fuel tax is a choice of the underlying tax mix. For example, paying high tax on fuel means you pay less tax on children's clothes. If you have to buy petrol and you don't have kids that may seem harsh. But if you didn't pay it on fuel you'd have to pay it elsewhere.
I'll get my coat....
Are we still friends?
I just want to laugh at someone calling me 'informed'. 
Carry on.
I just want to laugh at someone calling me 'informed'.
Carry on.
Still friends? Of course.
I do know exactly what you mean though (unlike the Daily Mail who I don't ever understand) and agree with you 90%. 99%, in fact.
As far as civil servants are concerned, they should all be locked in workhouses and paid in beans and toast.
Still friends? Of course.
I do know exactly what you mean though (unlike the Daily Mail who I don't ever understand) and agree with you 90%. 99%, in fact.
As far as civil servants are concerned, they should all be locked in workhouses and paid in beans and toast.
beano, you are informed in a way I'm not. I've got the luxury of external perspective. Even if it's only external to the extent that it's filtered throught our common, predominately english, media.
I just think there's more common ground between nationalists and unionists than we'll ever be allowed to explore. Whether that's because of our parents, our culture, our 'traditions', our religions or, when it comes down to it, our paramilitaries, I'm not sure.
beano, you are informed in a way I'm not. I've got the luxury of external perspective. Even if it's only external to the extent that it's filtered throught our common, predominately english, media.
I just think there's more common ground between nationalists and unionists than we'll ever be allowed to explore. Whether that's because of our parents, our culture, our 'traditions', our religions or, when it comes down to it, our paramilitaries, I'm not sure.
P&T - beans on toast? Luxury. Pure fucking luxury. Can you let me out of the workhouse now? Pleease?
Why so harsh about civil servants? (OK, even as I wrote that I see your point).
P&T - beans on toast? Luxury. Pure fucking luxury. Can you let me out of the workhouse now? Pleease?
Why so harsh about civil servants? (OK, even as I wrote that I see your point).
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