Epistles from the Apostles
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When hall first published Watson's he piece, he tried to distance himself from it to get some respectability. However, as you suggest, he can't contain his excitement.
hall is a classic veiled racist xenophobe.
Here is a good example, now added to Iain hall.com today:
"In a post titled "Children are our future", Iain gives his opinion on the death of three Aboriginal children killed by a train:
"While I feel the pain of the parents at loosing (sic) their children I wonder how any one could let their children under ten wander the streets with out (sic) supervision. The total cynic in me thinks that this is the way that the gene pool is purged , ...""
Now I await hall trying to suggest I am racist without any evidence.
Adding to my last. If you want a nice pic of the Darrin "the great white hope" Hodges click here:
http://static.flickr.com/70/
1736...672332839_m.jpg
He bangs on about how Muhammad was a pedophile (he did marry a six year old) but has he had a look at himself recently. Keep Darrin (and the bogan spelling of his name) away from kids.
Where did all this "look of pedos" stuff come up from? Plenty to talk about with racism without delving into the appearances aphorisms.
In any case. If NAZIs are leftists (SOCIALISTS!), that would make John Ray, at least in his prior affiliation, a leftist. A charge I'm pretty sure he would deny.
Darrin runs an online sex shop Bruce and is 'suspected' of other activities.
Not that there is anything wrong with running a sex/adult shop but the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper.
To address the criticisms of me that you offer in the post it’s Hap; damn right I’m non committal because the science of the matter is not in any way definitive either way and I wanted to explore the notion that the “politically correct “, like your own good self want to denounce anyone who even considers such topics at all .
But frankly once you insisted upon the unnecessary ad hominem insults in your picture choice when referencing me, and your outrageous implications that John Ray is a paedophile you lost all credibility.
I have a far better consideration of this question in the comment thread to this post on what Watson said where I point out that the bone of contention when considering this topic is not the rightness or the wrongness in citing any difference between different “races” but the false claims that any differences are (IF they exist) evidence that some people are actually lesser human beings. I repeatedly make the point that any difference (should it be determined) IN NO WAY lessens any person or their group’s actual humanity.
Have you noticed that when you even mention me , almost only in passing, that Fang pops up frothing at the mouth with some new way to villify me?
Fang is an individual who has only one part of the normal human emotional spectrum and that is hate. He hates me but clearly not as much has HATES Muslims and Arabs. I have lots of other examples of his seething hatred
I quote from Fang’s comments posted to my blog, amazing how those email notifications come in handy...
" Iain I meant "banning Islam in a civilised society is 'not' a bad idea if you ask me".
and this
"Get over yourself. Islamists sat around in the desert for thousands of years fiddling with kids, fucking goats and subjugating women. The West was busy progressing and advancing the human race. Now they want to move in and take over and morons like you will let it happen without boundaries.
Not so fast, ramadam-a-ding-dong mo ho burka bastard.
If you don't believe Islamists want to take over then go and read some speeches by Islamist leaders."
You are very keen to prove your case about the “proto Fascist conspiracy” when It comes to AWH and yet you welcome to your own bloging bosom "Fang" who blatantly demonstrates all of those hateful vices when it come s to race, religion, homosexuals and gender. Now a man of consistent moral standards would have to ban such an individual from sprouting his bile and hatred, but some how I expect that you will find a reason to forgive Fang in the fine tradition of the left to excuse evil if it flies the right political flag
You're struggling more than usual here, Hall.
The gist of my post was not so much about the legitimacy of Watson's alleged comments - similar comments have been picked apart on blogs many times - but rather, the apparent need of the radical right to smuggle racist drivel under the guise of science, or one of the more respected political philosophies. You've not addressed the substance of my post at all. In particular, you completely ignore the overwhelming evidence to suggest that AWH is not merely a den of conservatism, but a gathering of would-be brownshirts.
It is utterly ludicrous that you should accuse anybody of 'political correctness' Hall. Have you ever stopped to consider what PC really means in an era when both major political parties agree almost entirely on US and Australian foreign policy, the tough Aboriginal intervention, gay marriage, tough stance on refugees, etc. Holding a dismissive attitude to minority groups is the new PC, and you are adopting the group-think all the way.
But frankly once you insisted upon the unnecessary ad hominem insults in your picture choice when referencing me, and your outrageous implications that John Ray is a paedophile you lost all credibility.
As it's my blog, I get to choose the pictures. I didn't actually say that Ray was a paedophile, merely that, in my opinion, he looks like one. Do you seriously disagree? Would you leave your kids with him?
I repeatedly make the point that any difference (should it be determined) IN NO WAY lessens any person or their group’s actual humanity.
Then perhaps, in your infinite love of humanity, you might wish to ask yourself exactly why the only clowns embracing this supposed science of 'differences' are the radical right? As I illustrated, Ray is a perfect case in point - somebody who has a track record of similarly racist pseudo-science, white nationalist affiliations, and is an apologist for Apartheid South Africa. What charmed company you keep, Hall.
As for Fang - I don't welcome him to my 'bosom' anymore than I do you. Anyone is free to comment here. As far as I'm aware, his blog is no longer available, so I can't comment myself on the arguments. If Fang wants to debate Islam et. al. here that is fine - disagreement is welcome.
Finally, you should be well aware, having looked at many of my posts, that nowhere do I actually express support for Islam, much less 'Islamism'. My attention has been focused on the various people who need to demonise this group, and who agitate for pogroms at every opportunity. For me, the Cronulla riots are a bigger problem than butchers selling halal meat.
A great post Hap. These guys aren't "libertarians", the fact that they're calling themselves this would make Hayek turn in his grave. They aren't at all supportive of a diverse society of free speech, just look at KG's blog's header. If the war is against leftism and PC as well then it's clearly against dissenting opinion. So they've called a war on diversity rather than embraced it as libertarians should.
In particular, you completely ignore the overwhelming evidence to suggest that AWH is not merely a den of conservatism, but a gathering of would-be brownshirts.
Your “evidence” is very thin indeed even in this piece the best that you can do is cite inferences and make assumptions from those inferences and I did not set out to address the substance of your post but I’ll take this particular comment as an invitation to do so.
It is utterly ludicrous that you should accuse anybody of 'political correctness' Hall
The sad fact for lefties like you is that the urge for “political correctness” does not come from the political parties but from the chattering classes, the academics and so called intellectuals. So your assertion above is entirely vacuous.
As it's my blog, I get to choose the pictures. I didn't actually say that Ray was a paedophile, merely that, in my opinion, he looks like one.
A veiled vile insult is still a vile insult Hap and if you aspire to any credibility then perhaps you should try to avoid such cheap shots,
I repeatedly make the point that any difference (should it be determined) IN NO WAY lessens any person or their group’s actual humanity.
Then perhaps, in your infinite love of humanity, you might wish to ask yourself exactly why the only clowns embracing this supposed science of 'differences' are the radical right?
Thus speaks the chap who praises trolls like BB and Fang…
As for Fang - I don't welcome him to my 'bosom' anymore than I do you. Anyone is free to comment here. As far as I'm aware, his blog is no longer available, so I can't comment myself on the arguments. If Fang wants to debate Islam et. al. here that is fine - disagreement is welcome.
What self serving hypocrisy you sprout here, previously you cited KG’s use of the term “goat fuckers” as proof that he should be forever demonised along with all of his pal’s at AWH but when Fang uses exactly the same epithet in reference to Muslims you have the cheek to suggest that he is “debating Islam” Whoa there this has to qualify as one of the most amazing pieces of moral gymnastics I have seen for a very long time.
My attention has been focused on the various people who need to demonise this group, and who agitate for pogroms at every opportunity. For me, the Cronulla riots are a bigger problem than butchers selling halal meat.
Bollocks Hap! Here and elsewhere you have you have been more than willing to ignore or downplay any behaviour by the Muslim participants in the Cronulla incidents, painting them as innocents set upon by “evil white supremacists” when every fair commentator acknowledges that their behaviour was far from blameless. The Cronulla riots were indeed a sad and unpleasant incident (with bad behaviour on both sides) but it was by no means an antipodean Kry
Bloddy Haloscan word limits 
Bollocks Hap! Here and elsewhere you have you have been more than willing to ignore or downplay any behaviour by the Muslim participants in the Cronulla incidents, painting them as innocents set upon by “evil white supremacists” when every fair commentator acknowledges that their behaviour was far from blameless. The Cronulla riots were indeed a sad and unpleasant incident (with bad behaviour on both sides) but it was by no means an antipodean Krystal Nacht, as you want to paint it.
Hall, let's take a look at the basic facts:
1. You link to AWH and John Ray, and have defended them repeatedly.
2. These bloggers, particularly Ray, openly promote racism, defend apartheid, call for violence against Muslims (and, of course, the left), have affiliations with white nationalists, etc.
I've never linked to Fang, and I doubt I would agree with all of his views. You, on the other hand, put AWH on your blogroll, and link to John Ray in specific posts. Furthermore, you repeatedly argue that they are some kind of 'no bullshit' version of conservatism. The evidence, by their own words, clearly points to an obsessive ideology that has nothing to d with conservatism/libertarianism.
Or, to put it this way - maybe you could answer a few questions:
1. Do you too agree that whites are 'oppressed' in the West, and need to get in touch with their 'racial consciousness'?
2. Do you too agree that apartheid was sound policy on the part of the ruling classes of SA?
3. Do you too think that white nationalist groups (such as Australia First, or the BNP) are simply the natural extensions of conservative/libertarian politics?
If you answer yes to any of these questions, then I suggest you've gone so far to the fascist right that you'd make Andrew Bolt look like a tree-hugging luvvie.
Some more demolition:
The sad fact for lefties like you is that the urge for “political correctness” does not come from the political parties but from the chattering classes, the academics and so called intellectuals. So your assertion above is entirely vacuous.
On the contrary, the 'chattering classes', where they exist at all, are to be found only in limited environs, and in rather small number. There is no evidence that they exert control over policy to anywhere near the same degree as, say, big business, or the US State Dept. Believe it or not, David Marr isn't secretly running the country. On the other hand, the Govt has stacked the ABC board with Windschuttle, Albrechtson, Imre and co. The history syllabus crowd included Blainey and Gerard Hendo. So please, tell me again which version of politics is dominant in public life, and shaping public discourse?
A veiled vile insult is still a vile insult Hap and if you aspire to any credibility then perhaps you should try to avoid such cheap shots,
Considering some of your antics, including your photoshopping, I'm not sure where yo get the chutzpah to accuse others of 'cheap shots'. In any case, I don't exactly aspire to meet your standards of 'credibility'.
Thus speaks the chap who praises trolls like BB and Fang…
Where have I praised Fang? I think you've lavished more praise on AWH than I have BB, but, in the latter's defence, he's done nothing that you haven't done yourself.
What self serving hypocrisy you sprout here, previously you cited KG’s use of the term “goat fuckers” as proof that he should be forever demonised along with all of his pal’s at AWH but when Fang uses exactly the same epithet in reference to Muslims you have the cheek to suggest that he is “debating Islam” Whoa there this has to qualify as one of the most amazing pieces of moral gymnastics I have seen for a very long time.
You don't actually need to use bold - haloscan comments are quite legible without it. You'll note that, unlike you, I don't link to any blog that demonises Muslims, Jews, Seventh Day Adventists, etc. I therefore am at a loss as to why I should denounce every bigot on the blogosphere. The only gymnastics are coming from you.
Here and elsewhere you have you have been more than willing to ignore or downplay any behaviour by the Muslim participants in the Cronulla incidents, painting them as innocents set upon by “evil white supremacists” when every fair commentator acknowledges that their behaviour was far from blameless.
'Fair' commentators? Like Bolt? Or James Ozark?
Look at the facts again:
- People were getting bashed on the basis of their olive skin. This included Greeks, Italians, etc.
- The retaliatory attacks by the Lebs were not 'Muslim' in any meaningful sense. It's equivalent to calling Melbourne's Italian underworld a 'Catholic' crime syndicate.
- Far-right groups, such as the AFP, Stormfront, etc, were organ
organsing, distributing pamphlets, recruiting members, etc. Even the retaliating Lebs weren't using Cronulla to further a violent political agenda.
I think you're blind hatred of progressive politics has blinkered you, Hall, and you are unable to see the true nature of some of your allies. To approvingly cite AWH/Ray the way you do would be like me quoting Stalin's comissars - misguided, to say the least.
Just for the record, that "quote" iain keeps quoting is taken from a moron who posted at my old blog. I was parodying them.
Unfortunately my old blog is no longer around to show this.
Also for the record Hall, I don't believe Islam, Christianity or any other regressive religion has a place in modern society if we are to progress the human race through rational debate, science and medicine. Through its superstitious beliefs, religion hampers these.
It was people like you and your AWH cronies who used my blog for malevolent purposes.
The intention of my blog was to debate the fundamentals of Islam and the Koran in relation to Darwinism and evolution just as Dawkins does with Christianity. NOT single out the run-of-the-mill Muslim like you and your mates do.
My blog discussed how religion can become a fascist movement and it discussed how we should educate people against being radicalised.
As I said before, I deleted the blog because I had no more to offer on the subject and people like you were using it as a selective tool to further your racism and xenophobia.
Check out Darrin Hodges latest efforts. BTW he loves to post at Tim Blair too which says a lot.
No Fang that quote was your own words posted to my blog I have the email comment notification to prove it.
You have been caught out, hoisted on your petard so to speak and no amount of furious back-pedalling now will change that fact.
You oversell your blog which largely consisted of pieces demonising Muslims and posts saying “look at me people found my blog with these search terms”. You lack the intellect to write anything of substance on any topic with any honesty at all
Hall, you seem to be obfuscating the issues here. You are yet to respond to the previous comments addressed to you.
1. You link to AWH and John Ray, and have defended them repeatedly.
I have had a look through your own blog roll and there are some links their that are far more extremist than ay that I provide at my blog, why you even link, and shock horror, to Moi
2. These bloggers, particularly Ray, openly promote racism, defend apartheid, call for violence against Muslims (and, of course, the left), have affiliations with white nationalists, etc.
To be entirely frank I don’t tend to read John Ray’s stuff that much but in the light of your accusations I’m going to have closer look but my expectation is that you have been finding phantoms that are not there, again.
I've never linked to Fang, and I doubt I would agree with all of his views.
But the issue is not you linking to fang is it? You insisted that attitudes to Muslims that calling them “goat fuckers” demonstrate puts one blogger, KG, beyond the pale but you now defend Fang doing just that as him “debating Islam” well you can’t have it both ways either it is OK to use that pejorative when "debating Islam" or it is not OK under any circumstances as you have previously insisted.
You, on the other hand, put AWH on your blogroll, and link to John Ray in specific posts. Furthermore, you repeatedly argue that they are some kind of 'no bullshit' version of conservatism. The evidence, by their own words, clearly points to an obsessive ideology that has nothing to d with conservatism/libertarianism.
The operative words here are “specific posts” because I have never offered anyone the sort of blanket endorsement that you imagine I offer to AWH.
Or, to put it this way - maybe you could answer a few questions:
1. Do you too agree that whites are 'oppressed' in the West, and need to get in touch with their 'racial consciousness'?
I tend to think that notions of race are rather fallacious so the question is far to loaded.
2. Do you too agree that apartheid was sound policy on the part of the ruling classes of SA?
I never once offered any support for apartied either in South Africa or in relation to our own indigenous people unlike you minions of the left who are so keen to promote exceptionalism.
3. Do you too think that white nationalist groups (such as Australia First, or the BNP) are simply the natural extensions of conservative/libertarian politics?
I have no time for any sort of extreme right wing parties either here or in the UK, but then I don’t have any time for the far left either.
If you answer yes to any of these questions, then I suggest you've gone so far to the fascist right that you'd make Andrew Bolt look like a tree-hugging luvvie.
You have bombed out again Hap
Hall,
This post is not about Fang, despite your attempts to the contrary.
This post is about the radical rightists who attempt to sneak into the mainstream, and their enablers, like yourself.
Rather than have the honour or decency to acknowledge your errors and move on, you choose instead to bury your head in the sand. In the face of mounting evidence, you continue to ignore reality.
I henceforth dub thee Comical Halli.
Oh Geez. When whole paragraphs go bold, you know special pleading is either going on or about to happen.
There has to be a Godwin's Law brought out for arguments from bold, and arguments from capitals.
Hap I am preparing a detailed response to your post and I expect that it will be ready for publication tomorrow. You have rambled on so it will take some time.
Your refusal to acknowledge my entirely valid point about Fang, Goat fucking, and Islam is most telling. It is a simple question raised by a comment on the thread here so hardly "out of bounds'" in terms of discussion, in any case it goes right to the faux outrage you claim about AWH, so just tell us if using the “goat fucker “epithet is ever an acceptable term to use when “debating Islam”. Because if you were being honest you would not be squirming so much right now.
OMG! Who cares! Muslims fuck goats, christians fuck goats, jews fuck goats, goats fuck goats, everyone fucks goats, Mrs hall fucks goats. Are you happy now Iain. Move on.
Also there once was a band called Accidental Goat Sodomy. Look it up if you don't believe me. Are you going to try and make Happy explain them too?
Hall, you are looking more and more desperate.
You have the proven track record of being a liar not I.
Hap I am preparing a detailed response to your post and I expect that it will be ready for publication tomorrow. You have rambled on so it will take some time.
Lookout. I bet Happy is shaking in his boots. I will be looking forward to: counting the spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, non-functioning clauses, lies, full stops spaced after a sentence, commas space like this , and a hot linked gif a mile high.
Oh and Iain. Muslims fuck goats.
No Fang that quote was your own words posted to my blog I have the email comment notification to prove it.
I haven't been caught out iain. I have not denied I said those words.
Like I said Hall, I was parodying a commentor from my old blog. I have the original comment in email form too you moron (from the person who said it). I even had it prominently displayed on my "Quotes Page" next to the death threats etc.
What is more worrying is the fact that you left the comment up at your blog. Also it brought more comments from all your AWH buddies.
Now back to the topic at hand; racism.
Should I republish your comment about three dead Aboriginal children?
Yawn Fang
Your refusal to acknowledge my entirely valid point about Fang, Goat fucking, and Islam is most telling. It is a simple question raised by a comment on the thread here so hardly "out of bounds'" in terms of discussion, in any case it goes right to the faux outrage you claim about AWH, so just tell us if using the “goat fucker “epithet is ever an acceptable term to use when “debating Islam”.
What is it with you and goat fornication?
Does Fang call for violence against mulsims? He hasn't on this blog. Is he pushing racial theories of intelligence, or crime? Is he or has he ever been linked with proto-fscist groups? Is he good cyber-mates with Hodges? Has he filled copious amounts of cyberspace with apologias for racism?
Your avoidance of these issues seems to know no bounds.
Yawn Fang
Great response Iain. Great straw man as well with the whole goat fucking comment that was never said here. Now that the context that is was said in has been told you are silent.
Again, what is more worrying is that you let the comment stand at your blog without disagreeing with it or moderating it.
What's a bet the comment is the crux of your argument with Happy tomorrow on your blog?
BTW. Don't email me again.
It is on record twice now that I have asked you to stop emailing me.
What is it with you and goat fornication?
It was you who raised this in relation to vilifying Keith, Hap on that occasion it was tantamount to a capital offence now you are very much in avoidance mode because on this occasion it is someone that you see as friend who has used the term to denounce all Muslims.
Does Fang call for violence against mulsims?
YES he has done so many times, without the false qualifacations he now tries to trot out.
He hasn't on this blog.
Like a shithouse rat he is telling you what you want to hear Hap surely you are smart enough to realise that? In any case since when has it been necessary for someone to sin only at your blog before you are willing to denounce them?
Is he pushing racial theories of intelligence, or crime?
YES
Is he or has he ever been linked with proto-fscist groups?
His mates the white supremacists loved him enough to link to his blog On planet hap isn't that a smoking gun?
Is he good cyber-mates with Hodges?
Don't even know who this Hodges bloke is .
Has he filled copious amounts of cyberspace with apologias for racism?
Isn't his call for Islam to be banned enough proof that he "hates all Muslims” and isn't hating Muslims racism on planet Hap?
See if you can one of your claims up with evidence iain. That's right you can't. Because they are lies and you know it.
Not everyone is as stupid as you iain and can see through your lies.
How can I "trot out" on something I have never said or called for?
Again, I ask that you produce evidence for your claims above.
You know the only thing I did not want to happen in Australia was religious fascism and we already have it with the likes Cardinal Pell.
What other lies are you can to spawn hall? Typical so typical... Pathetic.
A thousand allegations about Fang's supposed conduct will not succeed in refuting a single point that I made in this post. You can complain all you like, but you've simply avoided the issue completely, and disgraced yourself by the company you keep, which is not exactly that of a 'respectable conservative'.
AWH is clearly a front for proto fascists with deviant behavior. Here is one of iain's mates kg and mk's favourites:
http://awesternheart.blogspot.co...views-
ilsa.html
AWH is clearly a front for modern day Nazism. And iain is clearly a part of it.
As I said Hap just wait until I finish my critique of your post, sometime tomorrow I expect. But looking at your post in detail so far shows your argument is looking very shaky indeed.
Fang
You can't deny that you made that comment at my blog, Perhaps I should dig out the emails where you tried to encourage me to publish Jeremy's address
You talk about Lies, well what about your edits to the quotes from the emails I sent you that you posted to your paid hate site? Where you ADDED spelling errors that were not in the originals to try to make me look bad? Or the lie, that you so often repeat, denying that you are the author of that page? I have a little side project in preparation detailing some of your harassment of yours truly; it is not a pretty picture that it paints of your obsession with me.
I am still waiting for you to explain what you hope to achieve by your continued harassment of me?
Finally why do you want me to no longer send you emails?
If you think the argument is shaky, fair enough. I did provide links and references to everything I wrote, and the conclusion I drew was that Ray has displayed a pervasive pattern of peddling racist, fascist ideology, under the banner of faux-libertarianism. So far, you're the only reader to actually disagree with this claim.
I'm not suggesting that you endorse all of the claims of Ray/AWH Hall, but you certainly won't say as much as a single word against what is obvious bigotry. This suggests you either agree with it, or a supporting it in the misguided notion that it scores you points of some sort.
Either way, I suggest you trawl through some of the links I provided in the post, and tell me sincerely that you don't feel dirty as a consequence.
Working through the links that you provide now but really you don't have any smoking gun proofs so far, even John Rays papers on race are not as you suggest advocating the things you claim they are, I've gone through half a dozen and they all read like sociology papers (hardly surprising given that is his area of study) but if you want to nominate particular papers please provide the individual link.
Really fang is just a total tool and I apologise for clogging up your comments thread rebutting his lies and slanders but you surely would not expect me to let his lies about me to stand unchallenged would you?
Your discussions with Fang are your business, and I don't want to limit anybody's chats. If people complain about threads being to cumbersome to read, it might be time to set some limits.
BTW, you seem to have got a shout-out:
http://www.deadroo.com/#comment-4311
Perhaps I should dig out the emails where you tried to encourage me to publish Jeremy's address
I already published those you idiot. Remember "Black Wednesday"?
Hap, that was a terrific post. John Ray is an utter joke (albeit a shockingly unfunny one), and you've thoroughly de-pantsed him here.
As for Hall, no one ever said shooting fish in a barrel couldn't be fun...
Perhaps this blog has some RWDB readers!
Coincidence or not, Ray has just given us another post, purporting to prove that blacks 'are less intelligent than whites':
http://awesternheart.blogspot.co...vitt-on-
iq.html
For those who are interested, you may wish to look at this issue from the perspective of some bloggers who in my opinion are pretty credible:
http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10...ing-the-g-spot/
http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi...weblog/
523.html
BTW, thanks to the many commenters here.
Blacks are clearly vastly more intelligent than chimpanzees
Cripes. That statement says it all about Ray's intelligence.
More importantly Fang, Chimpanzees are more intelegent than you.
Hap,
finished at last
http://iainhall.wordpress.com/20...on-quixote-hap/
Cheers
Chimpanzees are more intelegent than you.
Petard. Hoisted.
Apart from a bit of assertion, and pandering to your weirdo friends at AWH, your piece offered nothing by way of refutation. Better luck next time.
Is that the best you can do Hap? A truly weak response. I bet that you have not even read my post properly.
You asked me in this comments thread to respond to what you said, and I have, in great detail, and now you decide to go into sook mode?
LOL
I responded Hall. It was one of your most embarrassing efforts ever, a punch-drunk hick swinging at thin air.
Cue:- Mr Demtel
I responded Hall. It was one of your most embarrassing efforts ever, a punch-drunk hick swinging at thin air.
No what is both embarrassing (for you) and amusing to me is the way you are squirming here. You have for all intents and purposes called me a paedophile here, a most vile and disgusting slur, that makes you look like a total looser, and puts you into the same class as your good friend Fang. The trouble with you trying to claim the moral high ground on ethical issue like racism is that to hold that ground you actually have to behave in a virtuous manner, even to the devil himself.
I didn't call anybody a paedophile, and you are perfectly well aware of this. I did say that Ray looked like one, and I'll stand by the claim.
You've failed to engage with the issues in any meaningful fashion.
You refer to your nemesis Fang as my 'good friend', but I don't link to his material the way you link to Ray's.
In any case, I'm not too distraught if I don't fit your idea of 'virtue'.
that makes you look like a total looser (sic...again)
No iain, it makes you look like a total loser.
Nice one in calling Happy your whipping boy of late. That comment pretty much sums you up.
Your "magnum opus (sic)" is an exercise in embarrassing yourself again.
Speaking of vile and disgusting slurs, what about the email you sent me about a pedophile?
Maybe you should think about that hall.
I don't know Happy, nor do I agree with all his ideas and politics but I have been reading his blog for a while now and at least he has original ideas and is coherant unlike you.
Where is your good friend John anyhow? And how come he won't defend himself against the indifensable?
Face it, you are a bunch of racist homophobes and Happy has caught you out.
I didn't call anybody a paedophile
Hap you split hairs here, you said Enter AWH blogger John Ray, he of paedophilic appearance,, and then you posed the rhetorical question Would any responsible adult leave their children alone with either of these men? which is a very clear suggestion that both John and I are paedophiles.
You now say that you stand by your claim about John so you are repeating the affront when you should be withdrawing the unfounded allegation and apologising for the slur
You refer to your nemesis Fang as my 'good friend', but I don't link to his material the way you link to Ray's.
Pull the other one Hap it plays jingle bells!!! you do link to Fang's paid hate site in your blog roll right below the link to Mikey's blog.
Grow some balls mate!
You claim lofty moral principles, and yet I have demonstrated recently that those principles are nothing of the sort at all.
Hate me all you like, and freely denounce my politics, I don’t expect you to make me your blog of the month or anything like that but there are things that a decent man of any political persuasion should never do and you sir have crossed the line.
Fang
You suggest that I have said something to you in an email that is as bad as Haps slur well in the quest for truth I post below the entire text of the email in question which will show that my email to you was both spelt correctly (unlike the quote you posted to your Web Page) and that I don't even call a scumbag like you a paedophile but I cite that fellow in Thailand because his was the story of a chap who thought he was safely anonymous and untraceable and yet he was caught, exposed and now calls a Thai jail home. Do you get IT? I have tried to spell it out as simply as possible so even you can understand it.
Fang
I have no desire to continue clogging Haps comment thread with our little conversation so you can read it here.
Well at least mine isn't dead hall. And when she does fall off the perch, I won't like you, give a god awful embarrassing, cringe worthy eulogy.
The fact of the matter is that we all die and your mother will be no exception. I did not publish the text of the eulogy I delivered at my mother’s funeral so your assessment of its content is like a lot of the slanders that you write about me, speculation entirely lacking any factual basis whatsoever. I was asked, by my family, to deliver the eulogy, it is my guess that you would never be offered the honour to do likewise at your mothers funeral the family cat is bound to be a better choice.
Did she recover from all the punches from your old man when she was still kicking?
Just because your parents behave in despicable manner, each to the other and towards you, it is unwise to project such behaviour onto every one else. Sadly typical of your style though.
Also, no wonder your mentally defective brother drove into a tree. Having a loser like you who ruined the family.
None of my brothers have died from an MVA involving a tree nor are they in any way “mentally defective” You are projecting again Fang.
It will be funny when your "loving family" turns on you when your kids find out what a loser scumbag you really are.
You stating something will not make it so Fang. My kids will always love me, I bet even the family cat would run away from you.
BTW, Your assessment of me is way off buddy. Don't bother trying to get a job for asio doing profiling.
I am definitely not your "buddy", but I think I’m spot on about you being a sad loner without any friends because anyone who had a life would not spend as much time to harass someone they don’t know the way that you do.
But what are you trying to achieve by your continued harassment of me? The fights that I have had with others (Jeremy, Bruce Mikey et al) are for all intents and purposes over. I have done a penance for my sins and I have moved on to other interests and other topics to blog about, why is it that you can’t likewise move on?
Finally you have been posting consisten
Cont (damn word limits)
Finally you have been posting consistently from the same IP address so don’t delude yourself that you are untraceable and that you can hide forever should you continue to harass me. Take heed from the recent story of that paedophile that delighted in posting pictures of his crimes with his face distorted in a swirl. That scumbag is now in a Thai jail cell, likewise you could end up in a whole world of trouble should you continue as you have been of late.
Iain Hall
Now it is your turn to provide some answers.
It was one of your most embarrassing efforts ever, a punch-drunk hick swinging at thin air.
I disagree. Iain's apparent overconfidence and constant attention seeking reminds me more of The Black Knight.
A shout-out from my disturbed pals at AWH today. Yay!
Hall, your lies and distortions might convince the half-wits who read your magnum hopeless, but they won't wash here.
which is a very clear suggestion that both John and I are paedophiles.
You now say that you stand by your claim about John so you are repeating the affront when you should be withdrawing the unfounded allegation and apologising for the slur
Nope, no matter how often you repeat it, I didn't say it. Both you and Ray may have the physiognomy of a deviant, but I would have lots of reasons not to allow children to be alone in your company - hatred of many societal groups, affiliation with white nationalists, serial blogstalking, etc.
you do link to Fang's paid hate site in your blog roll right below the link to Mikey's blog.
Grow some balls mate!
You're being a tad melodramatic here. Your blog, and those of your pals, comes closer to being a 'hate site' than anything on my links list. The dramatica article is satirical, was started anonymously, and appears to have had multiple contributers.
You claim lofty moral principles, and yet I have demonstrated recently that those principles are nothing of the sort at all.
I don't claim anything of the sort - only right-wing fruitcakes go around extolling their own puritanism. I would, however, claim to be superior in every respect (not just moral) to scum such as yourself, who rely upon serial stalking to drum up a few blog hits.
Hate me all you like, and freely denounce my politics, I don’t expect you to make me your blog of the month or anything like that but there are things that a decent man of any political persuasion should never do and you sir have crossed the line.
I don't hate you Hall. I find you to be a sad and deluded little man, a bit like David Brent from the office, but much, much worse.
The satire and critique that comes your war is often funny, and always well-deserved
Great stuff THR - as someone who spent a great deal of time studying the cretins at AWH from within I can absolutely confirm the basic hatred and racism that undelies all of their beliefs. Hatred of the blacks, hatred of Muslims, hatred of gays - and most of all hatred of the Left.
They are truly deranged - using an above average intelligence to justify fetid opinions arising from a deeply ingrained bigotry. In many instances it's exactly as you described it - racism masquerading as intellectual discussion, and defended using libertarian principle. The ideology of 'freedom' is perverted by these cunts to include freedom to advocate repression of others.
Such a shame - given that they could have applied their intelligence to release them from their fear, if only they had a modicum of courage.
Hall, on the other hand, is just a fucking moron. I don't know why you bother arguing with him.
Keep up the good work THR, and keep the pressure on goblins like Ray, Ozaark, KG, KR and MK.
ps - as stupid as Hall is, he's right about Fang. Fang is a nasty and vindictive little bully whose only apparent interest in politics/blogging is in its ability to help him identify 'enemies' that he can then persecute. Note the appalling comments above about Hall's mother and Fang's role in the (ultimately successful) attempts to identify and then harass Jeremy.
ps - as stupid as Hall is, he's right about Fang. Fang is a nasty and vindictive little bully whose only apparent interest in politics/blogging is in its ability to help him identify 'enemies' that he can then persecute. Note the appalling comments above about Hall's mother and Fang's role in the (ultimately successful) attempts to identify and then harass Jeremy.
Apart from of course wishing to refute the suggestion that I am "stupid" here is a rare occasion when I can agree with you Mondo.
Fang's role in the (ultimately successful) attempts to identify and then harass Jeremy.
What the flip are you talking about mondo? Put down the crack pipe why don't you. If have have followed this whole saga since 2005 you would have seen that I, apart from debating sear, was doing him a favour in smoking out hall. Christ you too a fucking sycophant sausage sucker. You are a joke over it lefty's blog. A fucking parrot. So get your facts right.
Iain, Why don't you publish the rest of your emails to me and correct the spelling in those too.
Finally, Mondo, you are like a kid walking in halfway through a movie asking what is going on you withered tit.
Hall, you continue to tell fibs at your blog. You are congenitally incapable of honest debate. Some pearlers:
Now I have made a big thing about Haps sloppy referencing
This is because you lack anything that resembles an argument. The only 'sloppy' reference is the Gates of Vienna post, which the authors claim to have withdrawn. In any case, since I provided verbatim quotes, and since the post is linked to elsewhere on the net, it is clear that there is nothing fabricated in my citation.
I really hope that you were not intending to endorse Haps post where he made the vile and uncalled for slurs because you are usually better than that.
Such melodrama! I'd have thought your extensive stalking campaigns were more deserving of the epithets ;vile' and 'uncalled-for'.
Hap did not achieve what he set out to do and as I point out in the comment thread to my post he does not once mention Hayek
I can mention 'libertarianism' without mentioning Hayek in every sentence, just as I can mention gravity without referencing Newton on each occasion.
No instead he resorted almost exclusively to the use of the slur and the ad hominem argument.
No, I provided extensive quotes to justify my assertions. They stung you because they are irrefutable proof that your fawning over white nationalists like a drooling fucktard.
When it comes to Islamic terrorism it is the far left who are forever offering excuses (like your friend Hap does) along the lines that it is not about religion it is about poverty, or it is an artefact of past Western Imperialism.
More lies, straw, and smear. Please find a single sentence of mine that justifies your remarks.
Those of us who recognise that The Jihadists are at war with modernity, and by implication the modern west see the “PC” trend to ignore the clear affronts to our liberal social values (in relation to women, sexuality and religious freedoms) posed by Islamic culture are naturally concerned that the hard won personal liberties will be sacrificed on the alter of “multiculturalism”.
Hilarious! You and your mates have 'liberal' attitudes? Not about Muslims. Or women. Or gays. Or blacks. Or dissenting political views. Or environmentalists. Or criminals. Or...
You would not find them making unfounded allegations of paedophilia against even their most strident critics, as Friend Hap has done.
Please provide evidence that I have done this. Just because I said your pal Ray looks like a creep, doesn't mean your statement is true. I gave an opinion about his appearance, not an allegation.
Finally, your flame war with Fang is your own business, and I'm not taking sides. I'm a little harsher on you since you're an obnoxious stalking retard who thinks Hitler was a leftist, and who supports white nationalists.
Thanks Fang - I don't think you could have done any more to show me to be correct in my description of you as a nasty and vindictive little bully.
You hang on to your hate now, and don't let it go no matter what anyone tells you . . .
LOL
It’s all Fang has got Mondo
Hap
You calling me on dishonesty, after your vile slurs, has to be a bigger laugh than Fangs Faux indignation here.
Rather cowardly of you not to denounce him for scumbag is definitively is though (but true to your lack of good character)
Preparing a more detailed response, which will be ready soon.
Again with the 'vile slurs' schtick. I gave an opinion (on Ray's appearance), and I didn't attempt to pass it off as fact. No slur here, I'm afraid.
It's not my job to denounce everything that I disagree with in the world. I've said nothing to encourage Fang. I don't know him, and he's a relative newcomer to my blog. Like yourself, he has a tendency to drift from the post at hand and focus on peripheral personal issues, and flaming. Still, there's nothing he hasn't done that you yourself haven't also done, several times over.
You can prepare as many 'detailed responses' as you like. You are yet to refute any of my claims re: AWH. You can turn your blog into the Hap Show if you wish, but this blog won't become the Iain Hall show anytime soon.
Thanks Fang - I don't think you could have done any more to show me to be correct in my description of you as a nasty and vindictive little bully.
Whatever. Threads go downhill as soon as you or hall start to post anyhow.
Apologies for my apt descriptions of you both.
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Hap
My response is far too long to post here so please follow the link above.
Fang
You are thoroughly discredited here even though Hap won't denounce you he has clearly said he won't support you either so you may as well bugger off.(and die)
Hap
My response is far too long to post here so please follow the link above.
Lookout Happy, Iain is going to make you his "whipping boy" again.
Get real hall. For all intensive purposes I will agree to end the flaming on this thread because as usual you have lost hall; badly.
You could write a 10000000000000 word Magnum opus trying to defend the likes of ray, awh and yourself but the fact it is, and it is clearly demonstrated on this post, that they and you are racist, believe in racial supremacy and have leanings toward extreme fascism.
You and your mates are revisionists akin to that of Irving.
I am not trying to get Happy on my side (unlike you I don't need support from others and I am not totally egotistical, narcissistic and need comments/hits at my blog to make me feel good) but he is right.
In the Western World, the 20th Century was a battle, above all else, against fascism.
You can argue 'till you're blue in the face it wasn't but for fucks sake get a grip on reality.
You and your mates are homophobic, racist, morose xenophobes who feel so shit about yourselves and your small cocks that you have to project your pathetic lives onto others.
This is why I will always hold you to account hall. The battle against inept fascists like yourself continues and there will always be people there to beat you.
Fuck John Ray, fuck Darrin Hodges and fuck you.
Fang
In essence you are a wanker, you have no real political opinions at all and you line in this latest comment is so obviously trying to redeem yourself in Haps eyes that it has a certain pathetic majesty. Face it you are Just like Bourbon boy, stupidly vengeful and prone to going too far.
Take you encyclopaedia dramatica page as an example, had you stuck to actually taking the piss out of my spelling or even my actual spelling mistakes (rather than Adding errors that were not in my prose to begin with) That page would have been far more biting. But now it reads as a "fang promotion page" I will give even Bridgit Gread more respect than I will ever give you because she may boast about her little fraud but at least she never resorted to doctoring the evidence as you have.
This of course has destroyed your credibility quite definitively (not that you ever had that much).
So lets summarise you blogging life so far
As far as I can tell your first incarnation was as “Computer socks” and in this guise you began to harass my early blogger blogs
Then in the light of my stoush with Jeremy you became “nasty person” and you intensified your harassment Then you created a blog pretending to be me and claiming that I was a homosexual called “Iain Hall Gay activist” and you posted my photo and details to a gay dating site, Like wise you then created another blog under the name “Ian Haul” There are others as well but under the name of fang you created a blog that you thought would work as well as Bridget’s scam, sadly for you I would not bite on the bait (Jeremy’s address) that you offered then in late august your frustration boiled over and you invented an affront, had a hissy fit and basically went public about your authorship of the Dramatica page by turning it into a vehicle for your own self promotion . Now that I blog at WordPress and can exclude you from spamming my blogs your options to harass me are much more limited.
Frankly I love seeing you make a fool of yourself as you do in the comment above Bourbon Boy went too far by threatening the safety of my children and you have gone to far now , perhaps you should take a leaf out his book and just quietly slink away in to the dark sewer you came out of.
blah blah blah Iain.
None of the above is true. You buddy are clutching at straws.
I wish the dramatica page was mine, and I wish I came up with the idea of making you a homosexual activist.
The fact is you have created so many enemies in your time blogging, you don't know who to point the finger at which is fantastic because it is obviously making your head spin.
Then you created a blog pretending to be me and claiming that I was a homosexual called “Iain Hall Gay activist” and you posted my photo and details to a gay dating site, Like wise you then created another blog under the name “Ian Haul”
Ha ha. Full points to whoever made up that little ditty considering your stance on gays.
That's awesome detective work Iain. Keep trying to join the dots; it's fun to watch.
Fact is you can't escape your past and no matter what crap you try and blame on me.
Fang
You are the scumbag who changes his net identity like most people change their underpants, but answer me this with regard to the dramatica page how come, if you are not the author could it be updated immediately after I made you look like the tool in an earlier thread on this blog, Followed with in minutes of that update by a plug, by you for the newly rewritten page?
On a similar matter how could you contact the author (other than by speaking to your reflection in the mirror) to supply copies of emails that I sent to you? No contact details for the author are on the page.
You see it is the little details that undermine your own lies that will bring you undone Fang. You lack the intelligence to mount any kind of political argument, even your rants about Islam could not get much beyond claiming that “Mo was a Kiddie fiddler” and I bet you pinched even those arguments from someone else.
Hap seems happy to let you use his blog as a venue but I bet he will tire of your presence before long no matter how often you ineptly try to suck up to him.
I will say though, given his own vile slurs against John and myself that you two deserve each other.
Hall, there are few things more comical than the likes of you questioning other people's cyber-etiquette.
I've indulged you long enough on this thread, the better part of which has been spent on you pursuing your feud with Fang.
Your constant dissembling and attention-seeking behaviour shall henceforth be ignored, until such time as you can actually produce an honest argument.
All,
Having known Iain (and I know you'll read this Iain) longer than most, I have come to the sad conclusion that he is the most hypocritically miserable, weasly and spineless excuse for a Blogger I have had the misfortune of coming across.
Leave aside everything else Iain - do you not see the gross hypocrisy of whining about being slandered when you set up entire fake blogs to make your opponents look like Nazi's etc? Are you that blind???
To think I spent freaking ages (read: years) trying to reason with you on the assumption that you can't be THAT bad as you were being made out - but your behaviour in the last few months has been pathetic, even by your standards.
Oh, and you wonder why I write anonmously? When there's nutters like you stalking people down like this - that's all the reason you need from me Iain.
So there is only one conclusion I can draw on you Iain - you really do deserve it all...'pernicious minds' was never more apt!
Rgrds,
PKD
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