Epistles from the Apostles
Labelling these fools as "Christians" is just as intolerant a smere against Christians as these protestors are towards homosexuals. Given what an outcasted minority groups like this are amongst evangelicals, lumping them with Christians displays a bigotry of its own.
If this is not your intention then I take it back. But it certainly is implied by your heading.
My comment was intended as sarcasm, Damien - they are no more 'Christian' than they are 'tactful' or 'charming'.
I read on another blog that these guys are like internet trolls, but unlike trolls, they are picketing the funerals (of gay 'enablers' and US soldiers).
Whilst I'm actually quite sympathetic to the Christian viewpoint, I'm not surprised that we don't see the same reaction here from Christians that we saw from them when faced with the likes of Sheik al-Hilaly. Where are the Christians distancing themselves from these clowns? Condeming? Yet every Muslim is supposed to disavow an errant Sydney Mufti (or be presumed a sympathiser), and every non-conservative must condemn the entire canon of leftist villains...
THR
The analogy doesn't quite fit. First, Hilaly lives in Sydney and not another country. Second, Hilaly is far more representative of Islamic fundamentalism than these clowns are of Christian fundamentalism. Third, we are living in an age of terrorism that sees Islam at the center and thus condemning Islamic extremism is far more important for safety sake.
The analogy holds in so far as the exception is taken for the rule. Your comrades are very quick to point to fringe dwellers in the Islamic world and hold them as exemplars.
Secondly, when we have President Bush openly telling the world that his foreign policy is strongly informed by his religiosity, and who then proceeds to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, and support dictatorships from Saudi, to Uzbekistan, to Colombia, and supplies Israel with $3bil per annum to maintain a military occupation, and who spends more than 50% of the global budget for arms, it defies credulity that 'Islamic extremism' is the biggest threat to the worlds' security.
"Your comrades are very quick to point to fringe dwellers in the Islamic world and hold them as exemplars."
I am not sure which "comrades" you are referring but intolerant Islamic views are not really the "fringe" as you put them. This is why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad boasted that there were no homosexuals in Iran. And there is persecution of homosexuals in Iran of which you are silent but vocal when it is "christian" groups whom are intolerant.
Bush can be criticised for not attacking enough, or attacking the wrong countries more than anything else. He stood up to o/s dictatorships and countries sponsoring terrorism although he neglected Iran whom is the worst offender.
But I guess if your attitude (and leftist's in general) is that the west should lay down and do nothing in the face of terrorism.
Support is supplied to Israel because they are surrounded by hostile nations that want to see them erradicated. This has been the Arab attitude since the birth of Israel - but as always, leftist sympathy for the underdog is selective. They are the only nation that is a proper democracy and Arabs in Israel have more rights than Arabs in the surrounding nations.
Ah, dear Damien. Don't let me stand in the way of you and the right wing god's prophecies.
You say that psychopathy in Islam is not the fringe, but rather, the 'essence'. I've met meny Muslims, and your hypothesis has not been supported in a single case. Australia and the US have tens of thousands of Muslims - things would literally be 'revolutionary' if these people were as subversive as you suggest. Nonetheless, you are happy to decontextualise the remarks of any idiot Muslim, and take them as standing for the whole, in spite of overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you're more a 'faith' than 'reason' man, eh?
Bush can be criticised for not attacking enough, or attacking the wrong countries more than anything else. He stood up to o/s dictatorships and countries sponsoring terrorism although he neglected Iran whom is the worst offender.
No, it can be readily demonstrated that, when it comes to violence, the US is the worst offender. Iran has done nothing, at this point, that could be reasonably considered provocative. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I invite you to show it. Iran are surrounded by either occupied territories or nuclear powers - one could forgive them for feeling a little edgy.
This is not to suggest that Iran's theocratic regime of Mad Mullah's (so vastly different to the religious right, you see), are any good for anybody. They are manifestly not. But please do not make Iran out to be Nazi Germany - it merely shows you to be deluded, as well as dishonest.
They are the only nation that is a proper democracy and Arabs in Israel have more rights than Arabs in the surrounding nations.
I agree, Israel are a democracy. Unfortunately, 'democracy' does not extend to the millions of Arabs within their (occupied) borders, who are subject to starvation, random imprisonment, and 'extrajudicial execution' at any time. Have you been to Palestine, you apologist for murder? Palestinian 'terrorists' killed 6 Israelis last year - Israel killed several hundred Palestinians, many of whom were women and children.
Read Ha'aretz you dope. Most Israelis do not have the imbecilic attitude you and your comrades have, even when these Israelis are 'hawks'. Everybody knows that occupation is a brutal exercise, paid for in civilian lives. You wish to show otherwise? - then please, I look forward to your evidence.
As to your final point - the Arab country with the least rights is Saudi Arabia, and that country can hardly be said to lack the support of the US...
"Ah, dear Damien. Don't let me stand in the way of you and the right wing god's prophecies.
You say that psychopathy in Islam is not the fringe, but rather, the 'essence'. I've met meny Muslims, and your hypothesis has not been supported in a single case. Australia and the US have tens of thousands of Muslims - things would literally be 'revolutionary' if these people were as subversive as you suggest. Nonetheless, you are happy to decontextualise the remarks of any idiot Muslim, and take them as standing for the whole, in spite of overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you're more a 'faith' than 'reason' man, eh?"
When did I say it was the 'essence'? You miss quote me. Islamic intolerance and bigotry is far more rife than in Christendom but it is not the essence of every Islamic group. I have never held this position.
Which overwhelming empirical evidence do you refer? Are we talking about the brutalisation of women in Islamic countries? The death penalty for homosexuals? The training of young palestinian children to hate Jews? The teaching on Arab TV on children's shows to kill Jews? The stonings for adultery? The Iranian sponsoring of terrorism?
Or perhaps you mean the celebrations in middle east communities of 9/11 in Australia and around the world?
Have you seen the statistics that show that a significant proportion of Muslims in Britain thought 9/11 to be justified?
"No, it can be readily demonstrated that, when it comes to violence, the US is the worst offender. Iran has done nothing, at this point, that could be reasonably considered provocative. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I invite you to show it. Iran are surrounded by either occupied territories or nuclear powers - one could forgive them for feeling a little edgy."
So there is nothing provocative about threatening to wipe another nation off the map? Threatening to use nuclear weapons? Training and supplying alms to terrorists. So what are the UN sanctions for? How about the beating of women whom protest about their treatment?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...9E-
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There is absolutely no evidence the US is the worst offender, this is just leftist anti-American, tyrant sympathising rhetoric that can not be backed up.
And yet again we see that a leftist is only against aggression when it is done by the west.
No, there is ample evidence that the US is the worst offender.
I suspect that you are not an entirely honest interlocutor. If s, you might have noted that, since Reagen, the US has supported a number of 'terrorist' regimes. More, in fact, than any country in the world.
Furthermore, the rest of your comments are mere nonsense. Iran has not threatened to wipe Israel off the map. Iran's leader (who is a degenerate, I might add) made a single comment that has been mistranslated, and has wrought much mileage. That mileage does not count in the non-rightist-extremist world.
I remember the (Australian) morning after that 9/11 happened. At work, a very conservative Protestant friend of mine said that 'they had it coming', and attributed the attacks to Latin Americans. Can't imagine why.
Your comrades take every Islamic extremist as if he were the exemplar. You systematically remove the context for every Islamic resistance on the planet. You are not only bigots, but poor scholars.
The worst Islamic country is still whole-heartedly supported by the US. Iran, a deeply problematic nation, but one with a significant middle-class, and with the closest thing the Muslim world has to democracy, is branded the enemy. This suggests that perhaps the US is not so interested in human rights abuses.
Incidentally, your friends MK, kg, and Aurora, make all kinds of generalisations about Muslims that are neither justified nor Christian. In fact, I dare say your comrades are not a jot different than the Christians in my blog post, other than perhaps lacking the cojones to be as public.
If you wish to publicly state that you don't think all Muslims/women who have abortions/gays/non free-marketeers are scum, then I am more than willing to engage in conversation with you.
"I suspect that you are not an entirely honest interlocutor. If s, you might have noted that, since Reagen, the US has supported a number of 'terrorist' regimes. More, in fact, than any country in the world."
Yes, but Reagan, "more, than any country in the world", was responsible for the dissolution of the mass murdering Soviet Union. Which is why I suspect you are dirty on Reagan and Thatcher. It would have been recklessly irresponsible to let communism go unchecked and the only way to do that was by supporting other rebel groups. But as usual the US isn't credited for the collapse of USSR, only their faults are remembered.
Iran DID threaten such - http://www.campus-watch.org/arti...article/id/
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Ahmadinejad has denied the holocaust and supported Hezbollah and Palestinian jihad. He has also labelled Israel a stain on Islam. But this is all not provocative to you.
"Your comrades take every Islamic extremist as if he were the exemplar. You systematically remove the context for every Islamic resistance on the planet. You are not only bigots, but poor scholars."
No a bigot is someone who slanders his opponent through misrepresenting his views. It is fact that Islam is the biggest cause of violence across the globe, from Sudan to Iraq to eastern Europe. Take away Islam and there isn't much war in the world. Anyone not blinded to communist/PC propoganda can see what is so obviously starring us in the face.
You subscribe to the outdated and thoroughly simplistic Marxist dogma of poverty etc etc being the cause of Islamic violence and totally ignore their belief systems and know nothing about them or their history. But then they are just grist for the Marxist mill and "proof" of your worldview that capitalism and America are the devils of the world.
Again you ignore the terror sponsoring of Iran. And the fact that insurgence in Iraq have come from and been supplied weapons from Iran. They have been in cohoots with Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations.
"Incidentally, your friends MK, kg, and Aurora, make all kinds of generalisations about Muslims that are neither justified nor Christian. In fact, I dare say your comrades are not a jot different than the Christians in my blog post, other than perhaps lacking the cojones to be as public.
If you wish to publicly state that you don't think all Muslims/women who have abortions/gays/non free-marketeers are scum, then I am more than willing to engage in conversation with you."
I haven't seen anything particularly incorrect in what they say about Muslims. Sure it isn't PC or the Marxist denial of reality that you subscribe to, but that doesn't make it false by a long shot.
When did any of us say that all Muslims are scum? You are the lyer I am afraid because this is a patently false representation of our views. When did we call non-free marketeers scum? Such blatant mischaracterising of our views shows you to be the bigotted leftist.
"I agree, Israel are a democracy. Unfortunately, 'democracy' does not extend to the millions of Arabs within their (occupied) borders, who are subject to starvation, random imprisonment, and 'extrajudicial execution' at any time."
These soughts of outright fabrications are so typical of the terrorist sympathising left. You know the big kefuffle lately about Israel's so-called plunging Gazans into darkness? What does that tell you? Of coure of course why Israel is supplying Gaza with electricity and water. What torturers they must be!!
And goodness me, see this story about Hamas deliberately shutting off power to their citizens so that bleeding heart, fools like THR would fall for it and shed a crocodile tear for the "oppressed" and rejoice at the vindication of his anti-zionism.
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Ah yes, Reagen solved the worlds problems.
Thing is, most Russian were better off under Krushyev.
As for Hezbollah and the Palestinians - over a million 'bomblets' were dropped in Southern Lebanon in 2006. Please try to persuade me that this is all humanitarian, that the hundreds of thousands of Lebanese deserved to run from their homes.
Have you heard of Iran-Contra? Have you looked at the stats for the Iraw War (that aren't from the US press?). Have you looked at the regimes the US Govt supports? Only somebody in serious denial could pretend that Saudi and Uzbekistan and Colombia and many others are democracies.
Grow up, please.
Incidentally, when I see a balanced view of non-extreme-rightists coming from your camp, I'll be vary happy to acknowledge it. As it stands, TMS appears to be based on 'prophecy' and hatred toward Muslims. I'm happy to be proven wrong on this point...
Trolls, all of you.
As I understand it, D, Hamas, that virulently anti-semitic org, went and used their resources to get out of Gaze. This doesn't suggest to me that they are trying to attack Israel.
Where would you rather live, you clown? Gaza, or Tel Aviv? And please tell the Palestinians, starving, and without jobs or wells, that their efforts are about some inherent anti-semitism. I know plenty of Jews, and they would disagree with your bullshit. Are they mere 'self-haters', or do you perhaps have an issue with Arabs...
Israel is the only place where these Arabs actually get to vote and have representatives in their parliament.
Israel is about the only country whom supplies aid to people that are attacking them. There are 180,000 Israelis in Sderot and other areas that are under daily bombardment of Qassam rockets. Hamas has a 13,000 strong army in Gaza (many trained in Iran, that "unprovocative" regime).
Although hundreds of rockets are fired at Israeli civilians Israelis at least try and avoid civilian causalities as like last December when they killed 40 Hamas but no civilians at all!
In short your an ignorant, leftist, anti-jew that has no clue but just wants to beat his own ideological drum.
Incidentally. you ignore the actual situation, whereby about 6 Israelis have died in the past year, as compared with about 400 Palestinians, most of whom were women and children.
Is this honorable, according to the TMS philosophy?
Do you seriously think Christ would appreciate your sophistry, that allows for 'extrajudicial' killing of civilians, unprovoked wars, occupation, individualism at all costs, hate-mongering...
You are on the wrong side, my friend, and this will be proven in time. You use Jews (you love them only as a means to an end) and you hate your fellow man, who disagrees with the injustices necessary to make your 'philosophy' work. Your belief system is based on money and power - one day, you may come to regret this. It will not get you into heaven.
In short your an ignorant, leftist, anti-jew that has no clue but just wants to beat his own ideological drum.
You don't know my background - I may be a whole lot more 'Jewish' than an imperialist like you.
I'll be amused to see how you justify this bullshit to your 'god' - 'Yes, we sent out a million or so bomblets. Yes, we stole resources from Arabs. But being racially and religiously superior, we didn't worry too much... After all, we're not fascists...'
This is the first time I've visited your blog and I see that what defines you is a Christian bashing mentality. Whatever it is that makes you hate, is, I guess what is driving just about everything else you drivel on about.
This shows me that you are no longer to be taken seriously in your commentary at TMS.
Shame on you for your dishonest attempt to smear Christians by tying us in with these people.
Shame on you for your dishonest attempt to smear Christians by tying us in with these people.
He was being sarcastic Aurora as anyone reading the above comments can tell. Shame on you for lying.
The person posting as "Iain" above and citing my blog as a home page is not me .
Cheers
Oh and the post from friend hap is just a typical anti-Semitic rant.
These supposed Christians from TMS don't write a single post without lying. Muslims and communists are taking over the Western world, according to them. Not a skerrick of legitimate proof to back this up, but they incessantly parrot it, all the same.
How these muppets can write what they do without embarrassment is beyond me. If they had any self-awareness at all, they'd be emailing you begging to have their posts deleted.
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