-15, Lows Keep Getting LOWER!
Ju has called us 'stupid'?!
That no good shit-eating, piss drinking BITCH! Fuck you, Ju. FUCK YOU!!!
All I ever have to say on this subject fits all occaisions "Fuck The French"
The French ARE fucked... They are French after all...What a bunch of snail eating surrender monkeys!
Oops - seems like Ju's touched a nerve. Still we shouldn't be too harsh as it's not like the US or the UK haven't surrendered or given up in wars in the past.
Gaffa: Were you born stupid or did you learn it later?
Fuck you, Gaffe - FUCK YOU!
(I'm getting much too used to saying the 'f' word aren't I?)
Amen sister!
Every time I think Gaffa has an ounce of common sense, he goes ahead and proves me wrong!
I do wonder if he can chew gum and walk at the same time.
I really do think he is French!
lol I don't have any French ancestary as far as I know Mike. I'm quite competitive and don't like to give up easily
Didn't the fledgling US almost choose French as a national language?
Fuck you, Gaffe! FUCK YOU!!!!!
:-D
This is way too much fun.
Oh Oh... Monica is tossing more bread crumbs in the frog pool!
I love it when the Right has to fall back on insults when their reasoning falls apart
Seems like Monicar gots Tourettes Syndrome.
You mean when we grow overly tired of answering your endless twists and obfuscations?
You go ahead and pat yourself on the back Daffa...Pretty sure no one else is going to do it.
F...! Ohhhh, nevermind.
Don't hold it in Monica... let it out... even if it does throw more crumbs in the frog pool.
'Answering your endless twists and obfuscations'
Like pointing out that you refer to the French as surrender monkeys but yet you and Monicker get strangely abusive when I point out that the UK and US have surrender and given up in the past?
Seems a reasonable point
When did the US surrender in a war, Gaffe? I'm not a total history buff, but I don't think I can recall a war where the U.S. surrendered. I could be wrong, though...
oh, let me answer that one for you Jonathon... Gaffa will point to some obscure distant historical incident that hardly bears any relation to the way people think about the surrender of an entire nation in war...
That's his strategy... take some tangential information and insist that anyone who disagrees is somehow a hypocrite....
Monica and I get a bit tired of playing with Gaffa... apparently he has too much free time and not enough contextual appreciation for history.... Just enough to be a bit of a nuisance.
Of course in his mind, like other lefties, he's got that superiority thing going. He'll deny it of course, but as like the French, as Alice says, you can smell him coming...
Hi Jonathan
Here's an something which I'm sure Mike will agree isn't some obscure distant historical incident. Starting in 1969 and ending in 1975 the US gave up on the Vietnam War by pulling out it's troops. They got the hell out leaving the South Vietnamese to surrender. Of course the French had earlier got their asses kicked there too.
You know I knew an American who claimed the Vietnam war was draw!
Does that make Nixon (and all americans) a surrender monkey? He did the right thing. Fortunatley communism, on the whole, collapsed in on itself later. But it goes to show - all nations have had their defeats including the US and the UK.
Sorry to be a nuisance Mike - you seem to have a lot of energy writing this stuff but you get very tired trying defend it.
Gaffa,
I thought you might reference Vietnam. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, we never surrendered. I could be wrong, but I don't know if we even formally declared war. However, I'm not about mincing words or playing semantics, since I agree that the Vietnam War was of course a WAR...whether declared or not.
A friend of mine fought in Vietnam, and here's his take on how we didn't fail or lose:
Our mission going into Vietnam was to stop the domino effect in Asia. Even though Vietnam did eventually fall under Communisim, then rest of southeast Asia did not. Mission accomplished.
Nixon was elected in '68 and inherited the Kennedy/Johnson mess. He started a program of Vietnamization in '69, turning the responsibility for running their country over to the Vietnamese. This was pretty much done by the end of '72 and for all intents and purposes, we were outa there. They (the South) failed by their own misdeeds and fell to the North in '75.
The South got too comfortable with the US troops fighting their battles for them and when the US left, they folded. We cannot let the same thing happen in Iraq. If the MSN has their way, it will.
Granted, I was born in 1971, so I'm not fully qualified to comment in a totally informed manner on Vietnam. I can only go by historians, reading, and the word of veterans like my friend.
All respect to your friend and all those brave men who fought in Vietnam Jonathan - but to claim Vietnam, was mission accomplished is being in denial. The specific mission (war) was to stop the communists taking control of Vietnam. The overall strategy was to stop the domino effect of communism. The war was lost by the US. I can appreciate your friend taking comfort where he can from the mess as you call it - but in the end Vietnam fell to the communisms.
Which history books are you reading?
This is a damnably stale subject too, Gaffe.
Short version.
Vietnam is gash on America's psyche. The lefties here are very happy with the end result. The lefties in America (and in Euro-weenie land) are pushing to re-create that kind of defeat in the American people today. It won't happen. We've learned the lesson the hard way.
You can keep trying, Gaffe. It makes you look silly but go for it.
Sorry Monicker - but you also say WWI and WWII is a stale subject - of which I wouldn't agree.
Although I think the Vietnam was a wrong war for the US under JFK to get into and Johnson to escalate, and I'm glad the UK didn't get embroiled in it - I still wished the US won that war.
My point is that nations win and lose wars - that doesn't make the general populace surrender monkeys. Blame Chirac's politics if you like but it's very childish and silly to go on about snail-eating surrender monkeys.
correction - 'you *could* also say'
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