DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! -13.... How High can this go???
"She was enormously popular here, a hero," said one such resident, who spoke on the condition of anonymity."
Well, if that one anonymous (wo)man on the street says it, it must be so. Hopefully when Condi talks to her chosen Syrian official later this week, the Washington Times will find an anonymous resident with such sage foriegn policy insight to critique her meeting, as well.
Rice set to meet Syrian official - World - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper: "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expects to have a 'substantive' meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem today or tomorrow, reversing a more than two-year-old policy not to talk with Damascus at a high level, U.S. officials said yesterday."
condi is meeting the syrian ahem...diplomat at dar el sheikh, for crying out loud - NEUTRAL TERRITORY!
if you've got a point - i've got a dunce cap that will cover it.
if i were a hateful person, pelousy and hitlery would be tied for first...just me thinkin' out loud...
oh wonderful syria because they're so stinkin' civil there!
a pox upon anyone who cozies up to these scum.
Secretary Rice.
Talking with terrorists.
Tsk. Tsk.
About time.
Someone must have told the 'commander guy' it was a good idea. Glad he got the message. Can't hope for stability in the region without engaging the terrorists.
Rather, without engaging two of the major players, Iran & Syria.
Repsac brings up an interesting point. An anonymous person commenting in a police state might just as well be a paid stooge for the government.
Or else, they might end up like the folks Nanc cites:
"Our situation as prisoners of conscience is part … of the crisis of public freedoms and human rights in Syria, which started with the state of emergency imposed 44 years ago,” they said in a joint letter from Adra prison near Damascus.
“The crisis has reached its climax today, with increased repression and suppression of freedoms,” they wrote in the letter published in Lebanon’s leading An-Nahar newspaper.
The signatories are Anwar Bunni, Michel Kilo, Kamal Labwani, Mahmud Issa, Faeq al-Mir and Aref Dalila. The newspaper did not disclose how the letter was smuggled out of the Syrian prison.
The six opposition figures called for “solidarity” with rights activists jailed in Syria, which has been under a state of emergency ever since the Baath party seized power in 1963.
“The detainees should feel that they are not alone… and that there is hope for a peaceful resolution of the crisis of freedoms and human rights in Syria,” they said.
“The Syrian people are paying a heavy price in order to obtain their rights, and we hope that we are the last payment of this expensive price in order for the Syrians to regain their freedoms,” they said. "
We might wonder whether the "Prisoners of conscience" also approve of Madame Pelousy's screwball visit to Syria?
Or do we not care about human rights if the government violating those rights is an opponent of the United States?
artsy misses the point. it is one of condi's JOBS, not pelousy's, to engage in these conversations (for all the good they do - NOT)!
domestic and foreign matters are two different animals - pelousy's own state is on the verge of anarchy while she jets around putting her nose where it DOES NOT belong.
even my children have taken government 101 and know these facts to be true.
Haha. Nice try Nanc. Pelosi goes over, everybody on your side calls her a traitor and ignores the fact that Repbulicans went with her.
And now Condi's on her way over...and...what's your excuse for that?
Haha. Pathetic...
Exactly Nanc. We're also talking to Iran too.
I would hope the conversation goes something like this:
CONDI: Listen up fellas. You've been killing Americans for years and I'm here to tell you that either that stops RIGHT NOW or we are going to even the score TIMES ONE HUNDRED.
Layne: Sorry I didn't work this into the post, but apparently no one in Syria made any mention of the relatively unknown GOP Congressmen.
Do I need to explain to you the difference between some GOP nobodies and the Speaker of the House?
Perhaps you could supply me with the photos of these GOP Congressmen meeting Assad from the front pages of Arab media. I haven't been able to find any.
Pelosi undermining Bush was the top story all over the Middle East.
I've listed a few of our national policy objectives which are now made more difficult by the Pelosi visit.
Do you disagree with them?
You guys are morons. Rice is talking to Syria on behalf of the President who is authorized to conduct foreign policy, not on behalf of the Democratic Party which is not authorized on its own.
If you cant put things into proper context then you cannot reason properly.
So whats the backlash from Arlen Spector, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf and Joe Pitts visiting Syria?? You know, the 4 Republicans who also went there that you failed to mention.
No Toad we didnt ignore that. You are late to the conversation. That was covered in another thread.
The White House condemned any unauthorized visit and said that it applied to them as well.
Two Republican Senators voted for the Iraqi Withdrawal legislation, did the Republicans kick them out for going against the party line?
Are there any grown ups that I can talk to here?
Gosh Mike, It appears that the education system is in a total state of disrepair and we will have to hold class today.
Now children listen up and I'll tell you how the government of the United States operates it's diplomatic mission to other countries. Toad, arty, layne, repsac and KKK Ken, now you children pay a little closer attention you appear have learning problems.
The Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice is the only person authorized to represent the US Government in maintaining relations with other governments. Now, if the president decides he needs another person because the Secretary of State is busy on another important mission or he decides someone else could get the diplomatic job done better he could appoint the person of his choice.
WAKE up over there KKK Ken, I know this is difficult stuff but there is a test and you will be graded. Now children, the Speaker of the house was not authorized to represent the US government by the President so she broke the law. The law is called the "Logan Act" and Mrs. Pelosi could be prosecuted under that law. Mrs. Pelosi is the highest ranking representative in the House of Representatives and if something happens to the President or Vice President she would assume the position. Mrs. Pelosi broke the law, shame on her.
Now children, I will explain how it is OK for other Congress people to go to other countries and not break the law. If Congress people go to a foreign nation on a fact finding mission and make reports back to their respective committees, the Congress or the President and do not attempt to make unauthorized deals with those foreign nations then those Congress people are well within their job descriptions and do not break the law. The Republican Congress people that went to the middle east on a fact finding mission did not run afoul of the Logan Act.
The bad Speaker of the house ran afoul of the Logan Act because she tried to make her own rules and deals with a foreign nation named Syria without the autorization of the President George W. Bush. Mrs. Pelosi not only broke the law but she also broke with the trust of the American people have placed in her as the third highest ranking official in the US Government. Mrs. Pelosi’s efforts in Syria were not only illegal but anyone who understands the situation knows her mission was a miserable failure.
Now children go home and tell Mommy and Daddy teacher Jennifer taught us how the diplomatic mission of the US Government works today. Tomorrow there will be a test. Good afternoon children.
and now condoleeza is going to meet with the syrians. so i guess it's not all bad.
maybe we will think of pelosi as someone who would as least sit at the table.
join a discussion.
which the bush admin has decided to do.
we have to talk to them in order to fix it. you can't just ignore them and hope they stop.
Jennifer: You're forgetting to put your blog link in the comments. Are you trying to avoid a moonbat infection?
Ryan: Last year we constantly heard Democrats wail and moan about a "failed policy" in Iraq. If they said it once, they said it a thousand times.
They demanded a change in leadership at the Pentagon and a new strategy. President Bush gave them both.
Do I need to remind you that Syria was placed on the State Dept. Terrorism List by PRESIDENT CARTER? And that every Administration since then, both Democrats and Republicans have tried all sorts of inducements (or carrots and sticks if you prefer) to convince the Syrians that it is in their best interest to work with us, not against us.
Perhaps you are unaware that President Clinton's first Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, visited Syria more times than he visited either Moscow or Beijing.
And that Colin Powell and a slew of other high ranking Americans in the Bush Administration also visited Syria in an attempt to get them to stop killing Americans.
NONE of that worked. That strategy failed. So we devised a new strategy of isolating Syria, along with Iran.
I realize in the world of instant this and instant that which Americans have become accustomed to that we grow impatient with results that are not so immediate. But we're talking about the Middle East here. A region where gripes and enmity go back hundreds and hundreds of years.
If Secretary of State Rice, charged as she is with the Constitutional role of carrying out the foreign policy of our twice elected President deems it wise to speak to the Syrians and Iranians in a third country then fine.
But if you folks that don't see the problem with the Pelosi visit cannot understand the difference between these two events there is little hope for you.
And please, the next loon who just utters the ignorance of Toadbat regarding the GOP Congressman will deserve the shrieks of derision and insults which those comments deserve.
We've covered that a thousand ways to Sunday too and I'm getting bored repeating myself to people who obviously don't have a clue, much less care.
school nurse here: children, it's time for your ritalin!
jennifer - you forgot one small element - she also lied to another nation on behalf of israel. now, that deserves a swat - all your children to the principal's office - PRONTO!
otherwise, thank you for your ever astute teaching lesson today.
p.s. layne - when artsy is done with the pointed cap, your turn...
I shouldn't be so hard on poor Ryan. He's offering "random teachings, tricks, lessons, and thoughts" at his blog.
Frankly, I prefer Jennifer's lessons which are clearly better grounded in experience.
But that's just me... and Nanc... and probably every other person around here who isn't a goofball.
Mike typed:
But if you folks that don't see the problem with the Pelosi visit cannot understand the difference between these two events there is little hope for you.
You're right Mike.
There is little hope for anyone holding such a view becoming an arch reactionary.
Cheers.
Arthur, appeasement is the status quo...
mike - since you're right below ryan's comment, could you please give him a little smack for me?
thanks ahead of time.
You really dont need anyone to do your smacking for you, now do you Nanc?
CONDI: Listen up fellas. You've been killing Americans for years and I'm here to tell you that either that stops RIGHT NOW or we are going to even the score TIMES ONE HUNDRED.
Mike, claims to be pro human rights on one thread, and advocates genocide in another.
you go mike.
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Gosh Mike, It appears that the education system is in a total state of disrepair and we will have to hold class today.
Now children listen up and I'll tell you how the government of the United States operates it's diplomatic mission to other countries.
[...]
The Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice is the only person authorized to represent the US Government in maintaining relations with other governments.
jennifer, ambassadors?
mike from one islander to another i respect everyone's views.
hence why i respect rosie's, yours, bill o'reillys, bill mahers, and anyone else who wants to say what they want to say.
that is why i am happy she is on time's 100 list
misinformed seems a bit over the top, but i guess when you only look at one side that is what you get.
not really, fern, but he's closer and now that i'm right below him, here's a great big
SSSSSSSSSSMACKKKKKKKKKKK!
i mean, have you seen his site in praise of ring-around-the-rosie-red o'donnell?
p.s. - fern - 
Daytripper, the U.S. ambassador to Syria was pulled by Rice in 2005 after the assassination of Hariri.
The result of this and other pressure forced the Syrian military withdrawal from Lebanon.
Who says that isolation doesnt work?
Oh, and Pelosi voted for the Syria Accountability Act which was passed a year before and the removal of our ambassador was consistent with the terms of that act.
It looks like you gave us a broken link Nanc.
Thanks for the memories...
Oh it works now, what do you know?...
Golly!
SMMMMACCCK!!!!!!
I am hoping the conversation goes something like Condi saying
You see the Nimitz parked in your backyard? Do YOU stop it? Or does it fire?
Can we start counting down the months before that idiot is out of office yet?
haha
i like the smack thing
it's cute
and somewhat kinky
Gosh Mike, It appears that the education system is in a total state of disrepair and we will have to hold class today.
Now children listen up and I'll tell you how the government of the United States operates
Right about here, I already guessed that it was Jennifer writing this. *Thumbs up* 
hence why i respect rosie's,
Ugh..er...why?!
Oh I also wonder why you aren't talking about "Damascus Rice's" meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem? What a traitor Cunnilingus Rice is for meeting with terrorists! We might as well just lose the war and convert to Islam now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18463908/
Jennifer:
If Rice is the only person authorized to meet with foreign governments then why did Laura Bush meet with Chirac last year??
And what about when Jesse Jackson freed those pilots in Serbia?? He wasn't Secretery of State. Oh right, your republicans and you hate the troops and want them to die so he was in the wrong for that I guess??
Maybe because the President told her to talk to the Syrians so that she can conduct foreign policy on his behalf.
Can you point to any evidence that Bush authorized Pelosi or any of the other politicians mentioned above to conduct a similar mission?
Have you been taking a little nap or do you just issue talking points without thinking?
I'd just like to see Pelosi et al
"Loganized" as Jennifer exhorts!
Hastening the day of the street resistance Jen says she'll confron me during.
(The Dems have much higher trustability ratings, you see, on foreign policy than the neocon owned
Repubs who blew Iraq.)
Bringing us full circle. Assad has bragged he hold key keys to stabilizing Iraq-and guess what, he's right and he's going to be "Neville Chamberlained,"
in Miller's glossary.
(Actually Chamberlain didn't go far enough, but that's a history lesson for another time.)
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/
a..._and_refor.html
by the way, Slavery Now brags about Sunnis turning on Al Qaida. So what, they're equally bent on driving allinterlopers out,as the above shows.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opin...inion-
rightrail
you can bet Assad told Rice, deal with this problem or slip further in disrepute and quagmire in the Mideast.
Ken,
1) You are a bit confused. The Jihad and Reform Front is not the same as the Anbar Salvation Council.
The significance of the formation of the RJF is that they split off from Al Qaeda's coalition, weakening Al Qaeda's support in Iraq. It is vital to split apart the resistance and that is exactly what pressure from U.S. troops and the ASC is doing.
This is good news.
2) Did you use the wrong link in your last comment because it has nothing to do with what you wrote.
3) Of course you think that Chamberlain didnt go far enough to appease Hitle. I've never heard you say anything bad about the Nazis.
Oh, you're talking about the liars who said they killed Masri and whom you believe, or pretend to, so you can keep hope alive for your sheep, actually support the US occupation.
I see you really are confusing the two. Thats out of wishful thinking.
If you were a liberal I would be appalled, but you're not so its not like you are being fake or anything.
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/d...ls.cfm?
ID=17560
look for the liar "Freedom Now," who knows the Anbar Council isn't trustworthy from his own point of view, to completely revise his continuing positive but phony analysis of Iraq if Maliki goes.
Ken,
I have to admit that I am dying of curiousity to know how Chamberlain did not go far enough in his diplomacy with Hitler.
I would understand if you wanted to put that off as you already stated, so I am not trying to put you on the spot.
Its just that I've never heard that argument.
...jennifer, ambassadors?
They are part of the State Department under the direct control of the Secretary of State and they handle the implementation of negotiated treaties and policies.They cannot establish or negotiate treaties or make policy changes unless directed by the the State department under the direction of the Secretary with orders from the President.
Ken,
With all the rhetoric it is impossible to measure how trustworthy the Anbar Salvation Council is, but I can point out how effective they are...
The latest ASC victory was their success today in switching the allegiance of one of Al Qaeda's oldest tribal supporters. The Bu-Fahed tribe has formally announced its allegiance to the ASC and its desire to destroy its former ally, Al Qaeda...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/05...ome.html?
page=1
"Like dominoes, tribes reeling from a campaign of killing and intimidation by Al Qaeda have been joining, one by one, the US-led fight against Al Qaeda in Iraq in this Sunni Arab province. Last month, US Gen. David Petraeus told Congress that violence was down significantly here and that the tribes were key to the transformation."
So I apologize for my positive spin of a continuing positive story, but the Anbar Salvation Council is on a roll...
Its kinda of a moot point Jennifer since we dont even have an official ambassador in Syria at the moment.
Excellent article FN:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/05...ome.html?
page=1
""We have frozen the true resistance, and I told my followers to stop attacking the Americans. We consider the Americans to be our friends at the moment so that we can get rid of the extremists," he said adding that tribe fugitives guilty of killing must be tracked down and executed and their families banished from the tribe."
It shows the Bush strategy is working and that we are continuing to win the hearts and minds of even the most conservative elements of Iraqi society.
Like all great undertakings, it's been a long and difficult road. And the path would certainly be easier and the goals achieved faster if we didn't have this 5th column in this country undermining every step.
She is nauseating me something awful! Please make it “her” stop!
Tell me about it DCAT. I warned our fellow GOP'rs before the election that we'd have to put aside our differences or this is what we would get.
But not even I imagined this witch would go this far.
one of your less than lucid moonbats is waxing idiocy at curtains...ip:
64.81.156.# (PAULETTE WOLF EVENTS & ENTERTAINMENT)
it cannot even make a coherent thought or comment.
It's amazing how someone in the catering business would have so much free time to blog. Here's his company site:
http://www.pwe-e.com/
business must be vewwy-vewwy swow...
parehaps i'll contact their bidness and let them know one of their employees is slacking, no?
I think they must have figured it out by now.
Repsac,
"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expects to have a 'substantive' meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem today…”
- She is the SECSTATE, she is the one that is supposed to speak on behalf of the United States, not Pelosi… whether you like it or not.
Layne,
“And now Condi's on her way over...and...what's your excuse for that?”
- Read above.
Toad735,
“So whats the backlash from Arlen Spector, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf and Joe Pitts visiting Syria?? You know, the 4 Republicans who also went there that you failed to mention.”
- If they went under the President’s wishes, or “ok” then it is fine. If they went against his will then they were just as wrong as Pelosi and her ilk.
“Cunnilingus Rice”
- Very nice. Classy.
Someone said,
“If Rice is the only person authorized to meet with foreign governments then why did Laura Bush meet with Chirac last year??”
- She is not, the President can send people he finds fit. Like DEMOCRAT Richardson to DPRK. That was fine. Plus, Laura was not meeting over significant policy… my guess.
And to the entire LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!
Shut up, now we tried to talk to Iran and they balked, THEY DID. IRAN DID. So quit your bitching and complaining that America is evil and the real terrorist in the world.
MD: You realize that speaking sense to people who are cheerfully willfully ignorant doesn't work.
We've already gone into great lengths about the difference between a visit by the Secretary of State and a visit by Pelosi that even the Washington Post called "ludicrous, foolish, counterproductive."
We're dealing with people who regard the truth as something malleable which they can mold and shape to suit their purposes. It's the legacy of the leader who defined "is" to suit himself.
But you do get extra credit for answering their misinformed screeds point by point.
Not that it will make the slightest dent in the wall of prejudice and ignorance with which they surround themselves.
Mike laments
"Tell me about it DCAT. I warned our fellow GOP'rs before the election that we'd have to put aside our differences or this is what we would get."
Get behind a real uniter and the GOPs only hope-Ron Paul. Otherwise, say hello to Hillary, whom your admired Bush (yeah, you said he was a great president a few months ago)
literally handed the Presidency
with his botched and immoral war.
KKK Ken said...Get behind a real uniter and the GOPs only hope-Ron Paul.
My sides are splitting I'm laughing so hard. The only reason that Ron Paul was elected in his district in Texas is they let Prarie dogs vote. You criticize all the other Republicans and all you can say is vote for Ron Paul. The scary thing is; you think you're serious.
KKK Ken, I suppose you're another one of those that have black helicoptors hovering over their house spraying chem-trails. I only have this advice for that problem; don't take such deep breaths.
Ron Paul... What a joke.
Too bad Pat Paulsen is dead:
http://www.paulsen.com/
Ron Paul is trying to fill his shoes.
NBC poll-Paul won the debate. Chill, losers and get ready for Hillary, as "The Lobby" would never allow a fair vote count or a Paul victory
because of his anti-war, Israel-critical posture.
Oh, the JOOOSSSS again!
Only an idiot would vote for Paul.
KKK Ken = Idiot
Pat Paulsen was great as a comedian and he made mockery out running for President which was fun in it of itself but he never took it seriously and would probably get thre to four time the number of votes that Ron Paul would get.
Ron Paul stands as much of chance of getting elected as was there any truth to the story that we landed on the moon. Eh KKK Ken?
OK now we've into "mock the conspiracy theory kooks".
You get 5 points for your standard conspiracy kook story. You know, the stories everyone has heard of et al: 9/11 was an inside job etc...
You get 10 points if you come up with a conspiracy kook story that has been mentioned by someone famous like a Presidential candidate, movie star or Network anchor.
You get 50 points if you can prove that Ron Paul isn't a conspiracy kook.
The first person that reaches 50 points gets to comment free on my blog. Now if that's not an incentive I don't know what is. Good luck and may the best kook win.
Ron Paul believes in 9/11 conspiracy, Jen-baby? Last I heard he believed 9/11 was predictable blowback for an unConstitutional
and immoral foreign policy.
"unConstitutional
and immoral foreign policy."
KKK Ken: I thought you LIKED the Democrat's foreign policy?
Not a dimes worth of difference,as the Gov'nah said. Maybe a penny's.
So you're 100% on the side of the terrorists.
No surprise to me.
I think some people need to back off the crack pipe.
It doesn't matter if a bunch of people go over. It is what they say and do while over there. Nancy Pelosi went directly against the administration's policies as evidenced by what the Syrians are saying. They said they saw Pelosi's visit as meaning they didn't have to concede anything. This was highly detrimental to our policy.
Great going Pelosi. You get the Neville Chamberlain award of the 21st century. Hitler can do what he wants now because he thinks he has your blessing.
If Hillary wins the Presidency this country is screwed.
Oh and you can stop linking your liberal newspapers. We know whose side they are on.
W.F. KKK Ken isn't fooling anyone. In fact, some have suspected he is merely playing the fool just to make our side look all the more rational.
You would think that "Arthur" aka Negative Neville and Dateraper would have gotten wise to that false flag. But then YOU would think. Lefties so blinded by hatred for George Bush and conservatives that they wouldn't even disavow a member of the KKK tells you something.
I think he needs psychiatric help. Maybe he will have it paid by his liberal friends.
KKK Ken said...Last I heard he believed 9/11 was predictable blowback for an unConstitutional
and immoral foreign policy.
That's 5 kook points KKK Ken only 45 to go. You're doing OK KKK Ken, I expected you to well at this.
dayam!
jennifer has made it nigh on impossible for one of u.s. to win this contest!
our son just asked, "who is the leader of the palistinians after yessir i'msofat died?"
lizbeth! please don't leave until you retrieve this child!
nanc said...our son just asked, "who is the leader of the palistinians after yessir i'msofat died?"
That's pretty funny nanc I'm still giggling at that one.
Seriously though to answer your child's question about who is leading the Palistinians; it all depends on the day of the week to determine that. One thing is for certain though Saddam Hussein isn't paying the families of homicide bombers 35 thousand dollars for their uncivilized
and uncalled for acts.
Right you are Jennifer. That's one small step in the right direction.
Don't be fooled, my Left friends
against the war. Miller knows I never answered his impertinent & inquisitorial demand that I tell him
if I was a Klan member, in his attempt to smear David Duke out of envy Duke got further in the GOP than poor GOP peon Mike.
But now that I mention it, Mike should come clean on a related subject:
I demand ,Miller, you confess to your readers-you are acting as a GOP operative even yet and with the clear knowledge the Iraq war is lost, your party imperative being to keep as many ignorant troops in line until the latest possible moment while deciding how best to position yourself before the next election.
KKK Ken making a direct appeal to his "left friends" before launching into another screed about KKK Kandidate David Duke.
I wonder how KKK Ken's "left friends" feel about their friendship????
Yeah , but Mike you condemned well over half the white male population of Lousiania who twice voted for Duke,
as hateful bigots. Nice way to build the GOP. Next you'll be calling for guest worker programs and amnesty for the Mexicans--and the Dems will still outbid you for their votes,just as they still outbid the GOP for the votes of
black Louisianans.
But you do hold firm on that which is already lost....Iraq. Zbigniew teach you that brilliant combination of strategy?
You really do love your pal David Duke don't you?
And it simply amazes me that your "lefty friends" here don't care.
Now if a REAL Republican said anything half as racist and genocidal as you have, well we'd hear about it quick.
But it seems your lefty friends, like you, have a very selective morality.
Power comes first.
Ken you should register as an agent for a foreign government.
However, your allies in Iraq dont have a government do they?
They dont have much of anything.
Still total silence from KKK's "lefty friends."
Slavery Now finally comes clean. It's clear his past optimistic descriptions of a new democratic
and blossoming stable (and pro-American to boot)Iraqi government were just dissemblings.
Ahhh... the Grand Mullah of Hoopla has released a new beheading video.
How touching it is to see you ramble so much!
I ramble and you dissemble.
Another 24 hours and still no messages of support from KKK Ken's "lefty friends."
Have they caught on to your secret Hoopster?
Really Ken.
As a racist who "defends" Muslims while advocating Christian supremacy, you have no right to say that anyone is more untruthful than you.
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