Gravatar Well if not everyone had the next generation early then it could work. I have always imagined King David's father, Yishai being old when King David was anointed king. I am able to trace myself back to the 1500s in less generations than I would have thought. Not as dramatically as Nachshon did to Peretz but still.


Gravatar Also, remember that much of Seifer Shofetim may have happened concurrently. So it's not like one chieftain ruled, and then there was chaos, and then another one ruled, and then more chaos — there were chieftains ruling and chaos reigning in *different parts of Israel* all at the same time.


Gravatar and your point Steg?


Gravatar Boaz was an old man who married an obscure convert who was previously married. If he was important at the time as Chazal say, he would easily have had other wives, with whom he would have had more 'legitimate' children. His son is not even supposed to be his, but rather Machlon's, so the lineage doesn't really apply.

We also know that there was another Goel ie. another, closer member of the family. In the whole lineage of Peretz, assuming that he was considered important at the time, who would have taken notice of Boaz? Who would have taken notice of this obscure story? Who would have preserved this for posterity vs. stories about the rest of King David's lineage, which were presumably more 'kingly'? Why would they have thought it important to preserve this? Especially since Shaul was the first king? Nobody could have known that Shaul would be deposed. If anything, we should have had a story about Shaul's ancestors.


Gravatar To get me to the 1500s in the way I am aware of and have all my ancestors in the chain be equal in the age of begeting the next generation I can make an average of roughly 40 years per generation.


Gravatar The geneology sounds OK to me. It's your figure of 600-700 years that's off.


Gravatar Can anyone help with the timeline here.


Also, is anyone going to comment on the first part of the post


Gravatar "These are the words which Moses spoke unto all Israel beyond the Jordan; in the wilderness, in the Arabah, over against Suph, between Paran and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Di-zahab.
Bible critics inform us that the very first pasuk suggests that it was written by someone inside Israel much later on, due to the fact that it says בְּעֵבֶר, הַיַּרְדֵּן (beyond the Jordan, or, on the other side of the Jordan). I never fully thought that this was an issue because I felt that one can easily interpret בְּעֵבֶר, הַיַּרְדֵּן as a specific location (X), regardless of it being compared to another location. Basically, being on the east bank of the Jordan was referred to as בְּעֵבֶר, הַיַּרְדֵּן because their goal in my mind is to be in Israel. While reading the book of Joshua, I found this same phrase right in the beginning.

Joshua 1:14...

Your wives, your little ones, and your cattle, shall abide in the land which Moses gave you beyond the Jordan; but ye shall pass over before your brethren armed...
Joshua uses the same phrase when stating that the women, children and cattle will stay put at their present location (בְּעֵבֶר הַיַּרְדֵּן. Clearly Joshua has not crossed the Jordan yet, where it would have matched the bible critics, instead, he uses it as a delineation of a specific location regardless of where he is currently standing."

You are right but what happened was the critics disbelieved in the account so they just gave what seemed reasonable arguments for them on their bias.


Gravatar HH

Your point about the Ever Hayarden phrase is a good one, I'll have to look into it more. I suggest we look through a Concordance all the times it says "Ever Hayarden." I would point out though that this verse does suggest that it wasn't authored by Moses. Why is it written in the third person. Why doesn't it start with "These are the words that I Moses spoke to the Jews etc."?


Gravatar I believe a span of approximately 600-700 years pass between the birth of Perez and the birth of David.

Nahshon b. Amminadab was a contemporary of Joshua. He appears 5 generations after Judah in the Ruth geneology.

This matches well with the Levite geneology from Ex. 6: 16-20. That passage puts 4 generations between Levi and Moses (who is one generation before Nahshon and Joshua).

According to the Ruth geneology, then, Boaz, who is two generations after Nahshon, should land sometime during the Judges period (post-Joshua). That's exactly what the first verse of the book says.

David is three generations later, which works out perfectly (count another two generations for the Judges period and one for Saul, then you get David.)


Gravatar I was talking to LF and he said I am not the only one to ask this question and that it is indeed an old one. If it was that easy, how come many have thought the same thing i was. Oh well. I will check it out.


Gravatar I suspect the confusion arises with the passage in Genesis stating that the descendants of Abraham will serve foreign masters for 400 years.

But it's obvious from geneologies like this one that the Egyptian enslavement was only about half that long.


Gravatar Sweet And Low

(1)

Sweet and low, sweet and low,

Wind of the western sea, ,

Low, low, breathe and blow,

Wind of the western sea!

Over the rolling waters go,

Come from the dying moon, and blow,

Blow him again to me;

While my little one, while my pretty one, sleeps.

(2)

Sleep and rest, sleep and rest,

Father will come to thee soon;

Rest, rest, on mother's breast,

Father will come to his babe in the nest,

Silver sails all out of the west

Under the silver moon;

Sleep, my little one, sleep, my pretty one, sleep.

-----by age of conan




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