It really is almost too much to take to have a wildly militant ultra-Zionist such as yourself charge me with addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with ideology.
Ideology runs through all of your posts, your blog post is absolutely seething with presupposed premises and ideology.
To begin with, your mistaken belief that Israel is a beacon of moral and legal just surrounded by savage terrorists who arise from within a socioeconomic and political vacuum, spinning on their own axis, independent from the world around them, is clearly only possible with a sufficient amount of ideological indoctrination. That you apparently believe that the only reason any Palestinian would ever have a problem with Israel is because Palestinians are innately anti-Semitic and have predilections towards terrorism is not only dangerous is in its ignorance, it’s absolutely racist.
One of the hallmarks of ideology is the blind dismissal or disregard of context. With the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, context (historical, economic, political, social and so on) are absolutely critical. This context begins in the thirties with the “transfer” plan. For example, “in 1937 Ben-Gurion told the Jewish Agency Executive, the organization charged with procuring land for Jewish settlements in Palestine, ‘I am for compulsory transfer; I don’t see anything immoral in it.’ Ten years later, Ben-Gurion maintained his opposition to sharing Palestine with the Arabs by rejecting the UN partition plan because he believed it didn’t allocate at least the majority of Palestine to the Jewish state…the partition plan was from the beginning unfair to the Palestinians because they still made up two-thirds of the population in 1947, while the UN allocated only 42 percent of the land to them. Meanwhile, the UN allocated 56 percent of Palestine to foreign Jewish colonizers who only made up a third of the population. Despite this injustice to the native population, the founding father of Israel actually insisted on getting more and more land. In a speech delivered to his own Mapai Party on December 3, 1947, Ben-Gurion made his aims clear: ‘There are 40 percent non-Jews in the areas allocated to the Jewish state. This composition is not a solid basis for a Jewish state…Only a state with 80 percent Jews is a viable state… Since the early 1930s, these founding fathers worked hard to prepare for a majority Jewish state with very few or no Arabs. First, they successfully strengthened Jewish economic, social, military, and political institutions that could become the basis of the new state. They also took advantage of British openness to Jewish immigration during the British colonial mandate period of 1917–48. In addition, they worked to weaken the Arab political leadership by fighting alongside British forces to crush most of the Palestinian political and military infrastructure during the Arab revolt of 1936–39. At the end of the Second World War, they launc
Your entire comment is a strawman, I never claimed not to have an ideology. I can at least admit to that and move forward. You are just being totally dishonest and when you claim not to have one when addressing this issue with the sort of vitriol against Israel that you have shared. There is no way you can honestly admit to be a leftist (oh, sorry some sort of libertarian) and then link to a socialist website that has already acted as judge, jury and executioner against Israel (when others have said an investigation has to be performed) and then claim to me or others that you are being objective here. You are truly nothing more than a liar.
>That you apparently believe that the only reason any Palestinian would ever have a problem with Israel is because Palestinians are innately anti-Semitic and have predilections towards terrorism is not only dangerous is in its ignorance, it’s absolutely racist.
Do I believe Israel a moral beacon in the region? Of course. Are they perfect? No. And so far, it is you that has the burden of proof to show me that the Palestinians want a Jewish nation within thier midst. So far, against Israel, they have shown to be a culture of death. You wish to close your eyes. Be by guest.
--Holy Hyrax
HH,
"But certainly, that doesn't stop those on the sideline, yelling at them as if they were dealing with a conventional force. I can guarantee you, that WWII would never have ended with this sort of mentality. Luckily for us, it didn't exist then."
You should check out a book, "The Man with the Iron Heart" by Harry Turtledove. It's alternate history fiction where an active Nazi partisan force survives for years after VE day. Do the Allies have the stomach to sit on Germany in the face of random truck bombs, terror attacks, roadside missiles and a growing number of 'peacetime' casualties?
HH:
You not only didn't post the entirety of my two responses, but you didn't even attempt to respond to the overwhelming bulk of them.
You claimed that I was driven by "leftist" ideology, a claim that is clearly false as I have demonstrated. "Leftist" ideology has nothing for me to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict, that you didn't understand that from my first post is revealing.
My “leftist” ideology is predicated upon, for instance, the long-term goal of dismantling states entirely, hence my support of the two-state solution with regards to Israel-Palestine is not driven by my leftist ideology, quite clearly.
That you claim Israel is a beacon of moral just - while it carries out indiscriminate killings, collective punishment, torture, administrative detentions, house demolitions and came into existence through ethnic cleansing shows just how indoctrinated you are and just how heinous and evil your ideology is.
btw - my "entire argument" was not solely that you are driven by ideology, that was an aside, that you used this as a false pretext to ignore the bulk of my substantive argument is as disingenuous as it is transparent.
I put in your whole post. What did I miss?
Also, in order for me respond to your guest post, I need more than two minutes. I merely responded here to you saying I base myself on ideology?
Keep fighting the good fight!
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