HoosierBoy said:
"Reverand Wright should get down on his knees and thank God every day his ancestors were ripped from the heart of Africa and brought to these United States where the life in even the worst neighborhoods is luxury compared to most of Africa."
A big "10-4" to that! Indeed, I postulated to a well-regarded black blogger a couple years ago that David Horowitz was dead-on when he made the same observation as you did when he published his "Ten Reasons Why Reparations are a Bad Idea" [or similar title]. I suggested to the blogger that most current American blacks would probably not have ever been born had their ancestors stayed on The Dark Continent. I still maintain it's a very plausible theory -- and I'm sticking to it. [No response from the blogger]
I'd like to take this opportunity to personally apologize for working hard my entire life, and making ends meet without government assistance. I also feel the need to offer my heartfelt promise that I will never, ever send another child through college, insisting he work a 40 hour a week job, while at the same time carrying a full load at school, maintaining a 3.9 grade average, majoring in accounting.
All of those years I pissed away in the service, partying every night, sleeping late, and not doing a damn thing? Sorry.
Or maybe not.
h/t to ya HB. Very well said and I agree completely.
Oh, and to that little black piece of shit punk motherfucker, who about 15 years ago decided he was going to break into my house, and steal my belongings?
I apologize for the two .357 rounds I sent past your ass, and the turning of my dog loose to rip you apart was totally uncalled for.
I obviously misread your real intentions, and should have thought the situation through with a bit more care.
Reverand Wright should get down on his knees and thank God every day his ancestors were ripped from the heart of Africa
This is appalling. It's true that the lives of most blacks in this country are better, at least in terms of money and technology, than the lives of most Africans.
To suggest, however, that anyone should give thanks for the evil that was slavery is to mock the suffering of millions of enslaved Africans and their descendants.
the Reverand Wright's ancestors suffered so he could have a better life
No, they suffered, without any choice in the matter, so that white Americans could have a better life. Any benefits to their descendants have been purely accidental and unintended.
My family made their payment for Slavery Reparations 140 years ago.
You need to take a quick glance at a history book. The U.S. Civil War may have ended slavery, but it was not fought to end slavery, and very few, if any, soldiers volunteered in order to risk their lives in the hope that slavery would be ended after the war.
In the end, I confess I do not get the hate.
Neither do I ....
Oh I get the hate alright..the hate is taught and fostered by those who make their living on it..those such as Wright, Jessie Jackson, Al, and now it looks as if Osama Obama is part of the movement.
People such as Wright and by association Obama have absolutly no incentive for race relations to be any better than they are in the USA..they would lose their livlihood.
James, I am still trying to get the point of your comment. Am I the racist or is Reverand Wright? Who is fostering poor race relations in this country me or Al Sharpton? Who continues to make the Black Community perpetual victims?
Ok James, you convinced me.
"...Not God bless America, God Damn America... God Damn America..."
Clearly the words of a patriot, and an individual that loves his country. I owe Reverend Wright an apology.
I will say, I am glad my ancestors were kicked out of their homes and thrown from their homeland. I am glad my Great great grandmother suffered in legal slavery, because I am an American. I am priveledged to live in the greatest country in the history of the world, a nation of free men, who can choose their destiny. Where men are free to be successful regardless of their birth or their skin color. A nation where there are no Kings, no Lords, no serfs. A nation where education is available to all who want to take advantage of it. A country of law - of equality. A nation not perfect, but better than anywhere else on this blue ball flying around the sun.
Hey Hoosier,
I apologized to that piece of shit that tried to break into my house, didn't I?
Fuck'em, and feed'em fishheads.
James, I am still trying to get the point of your comment. Am I the racist or is Reverand Wright? Who is fostering poor race relations in this country me or Al Sharpton?
Hoosierboy, I wasn't calling any of you a racist, or saying that you were fosting poor race relations. I was making the specific points that I made.
If you want my opinion, though, I'm hearing a lot of hateful speech from you, Wright, and Sharpton. Speech that seems, at least, to judge people based on their race, even while all three of you make interesting points about the history of this country and about the tendencies of certain groups in society.
Ok James, you convinced me. "...Not God bless America, God Damn America... God Damn America..."
Just because I was able to poke holes in a couple of your comments, doesn't mean I support those statements from Wright.
Just as our patriotism and revulsion for those words doesn't justify saying anything you want about him ... or about blacks. He's responsible for what he's said, and you're responsible for what you've said, including your notion that blacks should be thankful for slavery.
Well James, I guess it is a matter of perspective. When I hear the Reverend Wright say he understands why were were attacked on September 11, I hear him condone it. I say not one of those people in the World Trade Centers or on any of the flights or probably not even in the Pentagon had anything to do with the foreign policy you and the Reverend say justified the attacks. It was murder, and in my mind excusing that murder is evil. Nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise. Individual Americans do not create foreign policy, and to target individual Americans for that policy is twisted logic at best. If you or the Reverend, agree with such logic, you are no better than a terrorist yourself. If Obama does not condemn such remarks and the person who made them out of hand he is no better.
If that makes me a racist, to hate terrorists and their tactics, so be it. I can live with that. Can you?
You've said everything that I've been thinking/feeling for some time now.
You've said it well too.
I guess it is a matter of perspective. When I hear the Reverend Wright say he understands why were were attacked on September 11
I don't see this as a matter of perspective.
You shouldn't call someone "evil" because you assume he means something he hasn't said. He didn't say he agrees with the terrorists, just that he thinks he knows something about *why* they attacked.
(I think I know why the terrorists attacked us. Does that make *me* evil?)
You're quite right that the Sept. 11 attacks constituted the murder of innocent people. But that doesn't mean that U.S. policies, right or wrong, might not have inspired the attacks, or that Wright is "excusing" the attacks by pointing this out.
"The chickens, Americas chickens, have come home to roost"--Rev. J. Wright
If THAT is not 'excusing terrorism', then I don't know what is, JAMES. It is the hateful Leftist ideology of always blaming America first.
"AID's was developed by the white man in order to commit genocide against the black race" --Rev. J. Wright
He didn't say he agrees with the terrorists, just that he thinks he knows something about *why* they attacked.
No, he didn't say he agreed with the terrorists, but by the way he spoke and his tone, Mr. Wright was saying "I see why you did it", it was because of OUR (US) actions, in other words EXCUSING those actions.
This man is nothing but a hate monger and black racist.
To suggest, however, that anyone should give thanks for the evil that was slavery is to mock the suffering of millions of enslaved Africans and their descendants.
Hoosierboy was hardly blessing the evil institution of slavery, he was merely pointing out that good CAN come even from evil acts. It's really frutrating to me that most people don't know the true story of slavery; that it's main participants in Africa were Black or Arab, and that black on black slavery is STILL being practised TODAY in BLACK and/or Arab Africa. Yet we as Whites are supposed to feel guilty for what was a minority practice here in America even in it's heyday. WHEN do Blacks as a race start taking responsibility for their own condition? There have been a significant number of Blacks achieve great things in America, and the way they did it was to take responsibity for their own welfare and NOT listening to such hate mongering race baiters such as the "Rev's" Jackson, Sharpton, and Wright, or such PC apologists such as you, James.
Thank you for an insightful post,HB, sorry to use up so much of your bandwith, but James struck a hot button in me.
If THAT is not 'excusing terrorism', then I don't know what is
I think you need to broaden your mind. As any good reference book can show you, all that sentence says is that actions have consequences. In this case, foreign policy choices can lead to repercussions.
Wright is not saying that the terrorists' actions were justified, only that they hated certain U.S. foreign policy actions.
How does that justify terrorism? Many conservative experts believe this is true. Are you seriously saying that they're "excusing terrorism"?
Mr. Wright was saying "I see why you did it", it was because of OUR (US) actions, in other words EXCUSING those actions.
"I see why you did it" and "I agree with what you did" are wildly different concepts.
Anyone can see *why* the terrorists did it. That doesn't make their actions anything other than contemptible.
he was merely pointing out that good CAN come even from evil acts
No, he wasn't merely doing that. He was also saying that some Americans should give thanks for those evil acts, even though they also resulted in some good.
This is like saying that because some good things did come from Hitler's aggression against Europe and his holocaust, the survivors should give thanks for what he did.
I appreciate your facts about the slave trade in Africa, although I'd note that virtually *all* of the participants in Africa were black, not merely the "main participants." (The slave traders who visited Africa, bought slaves, and took them across the ocean were, of course, entirely white, but you obviously know that, too.)
we as Whites are supposed to feel guilty for what was a minority practice here in America even in it's heyday.
Who says that? What nonsense, that anyone should feel guilty for the actions of others.
But let's correct this bit of history, please: slavery was hardly a "minority practice," at least in the sense that most white Americans at the time were innocent of involvement. Slavery was practiced in every American colony and in every one of the thirteen original states. Most citizens in the northern and southern colonies (later, states) were connected in some way to slavery or the slave trade, and all citizens benefited economically from slave labor, often indirectly but in ways that improved their incomes and lifestyles.
As for the importance of not listening to hate-filled speech, whether coming from blacks or whites, here we're in complete agreement.
Ya did just fine on your own. Excellent. I got one just like it, building up inside...
:o)
-Joan
Once again in agreement. Whatever the crappy reason or flabby excuse, I will never apologize for America. Also, I will enjoy all of my rights as an American, no matter who or what disapproves of them.
Very eloquent HB much better than mine. James-
Hoosierboy was saying that the blacks in this country should be thankful that they NOW live in America not thankful for slavery. The Blacks' ancestors paid an extremely high price so that they could live in a FREE Country where opportunities are endless and not in Africa and look what they have done with it. I am quite sure those people didn't struggle and die for their descendants to piss it away. I feel that their deaths have been in vain. Pathetic and sad but not MY fault. As a white woman I am sick of dealing with the victimization of blacks, pissing and moaning about the evil whitey. I do believe it is time PAST time for them to GET OVER IT!
Hoosierboy was saying that the blacks in this country should be thankful that they NOW live in America not thankful for slavery.
That may well be what he meant, although I'd wonder just why you (or he) think "the blacks" aren't thankful that they live in this country.
However, what Hoosierboy actually said was that a black man should "thank God every day [that] his ancestors were ripped from the heart of Africa."
As for the rest of what you say, Sohos, you clearly believe that blacks in this country today have been given a fair shot. You clearly believe that there are no lingering disadvantages due to centuries of enslavement, another century of "Jim Crow" laws and official discrimination, and a mere generation or so of only unofficial prejudice. You clearly believe that dumping slaves out into society with absolutely nothing, to face lynchings and bigotry for generations, and then wondering why their descendants don't have the resources or the communities or the schools or the family structures or the values of the white community, is a waste of time.
In which case, I can certainly understand why you, as a white person, are tired of hearing about this issue again and again. Perhaps we can agree that if there are any lingering effects at all due to slavery and discrimination, they can be addressed quickly so that everyone can, in fact, "get over it." Then we can stop talking about the past and move forward on a equal footing, without affirmative action, desegregation, "moaning," or other relics of the past.
"I am smart enough to know what I want to say, but I am afraid my communication skills are not good enough to get my point across."
I disagree, you said it very well.
James said, "then wondering why their descendants don't have the resources or the communities or the schools or the family structures or the values of the white community, is a waste of time."
What resources are they lacking? What communities don't they have? What schools don't they have? Family structure? I agree that some of them do lack family structure. So does probably 50% of America, black, white, yellow and green. How long are people of minorities going to place blame for their social status? If something in my family history that happened almost 150 years ago is hindering me now, shame on me.
Frankly James, I do not need you to lecture me on slavery or history. There are a bunch of posts about both subjects in the archives.
You can interpret the words of the Reverend Wright in any way you see fit. I asuree you, there are a great many people who heard the nuance, heard the hate and and completely understand and believe he has a serious problem with America and Whites. If you do not get that, good for you. If you see bigotry in my comment, well that is your opinion also.
I stated at the outset of my essay that I was not sure Iwas up to the task of expressing my thoughts. No one doubts thre is racism in this country past and present. I tried to point out that we all have issues in the past. What is not clear to me is why the problems of the Black Community are my fault for being white. Why is it that Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Irish, Poles, Vietnamese, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and Hispanics have managed to succeed in this nation despite suffering many of the same predjuces?
Do you really think any rational person believes the US Government created Aids to kill of the Black population? The Reverend Wright does. This is the victim mentality we are all tired of hearing. In the 143 years since Slavery was ended, there have been successful people of color.
Look James, if you want to support the Reverend Wright and the likes of Jessie and Al and Luis, that is your choice. I think you might find a better role model in Thomas Sowell or Justice Thomas. That is what is great about this country you have a choice.
As for the events of 9/11 if you believe those attacks were political you should look a little deeper. They were acts of religious war. Further, I would like to see a direct quote and source where George H Bush claimed he could understand the attacks in light of our MidEast policy. You claim Conservatives believe this hogwash -- well GH Bush was never a Conservative prior to or while he was President. Again you have the right to your opinion, but I will not allow any further comments defending the attacks on innocent Americans. I have made my position on this quite clear. There is no free speech, no debate on this. Not on this blog. In my mind there is no justification for deliberate attacks on civilians. This was not an act of war, it is terrorism. There is a clear difference.
I will give you a great deal of credit, James. You have been remarkably polite and I admire that you use a real URl. Most of those who disagree with my positions resort quickly to name calling and ugliness. We may have to agree to disagree, but thank you for a reasoned debate.
Good essay, Hoosierboy. You made some fine points and expressed many of the thoughts/feelings I've been having about this whole pile of flapdoodle.
To James, while it is true the first and foremost reason for the Civil War was to preserve the USA as one nation, there were many, many men of Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc. who signed up with the express purpose of seeing that slavery be abolished. you can read it in their journals and the newspapers of the time. (Just one of the many points you made with which I would take issue.)
What resources are they lacking? What communities don't they have? What schools don't they have?
Let's see ... blacks lack the same jobs, income, wealth, homeownership, eduction, and social status as whites. Any other resources you'd consider relevant? I could go through the statistics on white vs. black communities and schools, but let's just say the differences are striking.
We could, of course, argue all day about why these things are true. I would just note that blacks had very little, compared to whites, when they were taken out of slavery. And they've been able to make up very little of that ground since.
What is not clear to me is why the problems of the Black Community are my fault for being white.
Hoosierboy, I agree with you that the problems of the black community are in no way your fault, and certainly not because you're white.
I would point out, though, that blacks didn't suffer the same prejudices as the other groups you mention. None of them suffered the same history of violence, or the extensive discrimination over many generations that blacks did.
Most importantly, most of those people arrived in this country with their religious, cultural, and family values intact. They weren't stripped of those things and enslaved for generations.
Religion and culture *do* make a difference, in my view.
Look James, if you want to support the Reverend Wright
I have no interest in supporting Wright, or his hatred, or his bizarre racial theories, thank you very much.
As for the events of 9/11 if you believe those attacks were political you should look a little deeper. They were acts of religious war.
Religious war? Sure. We're talking about fanatical religious fundamentalists here.
But if you believe that U.S. foreign policy didn't help to direct their attention towards us, then you disagree with the CIA. And our other intelligence agencies. And the 9/11 commission. And most foreign policy experts.
I would like to see a direct quote and source where George H Bush claimed he could understand the attacks in light of our MidEast policy.
I said that he believes that policy helped to generate the attacks -- not that he "understands the attacks in light of" them.
I will not allow any further comments defending the attacks on innocent Americans.
I would never defend those attacks, and neither would anyone I know.
But it is essential to our national interest that we try to comprehend *why* those attacks occurred. This is so that we can understand what might cause future attacks, and when, where, and how, and try to disrupt those who would plot or carry them out.
I just don't see how you can interpret any of my remarks as defending those attacks.
We may have to agree to disagree, but thank you for a reasoned debate.
It's been a pleasure, Hoosierboy, having such sharp disagreements with someone who will persist in explaining and de
We may have to agree to disagree, but thank you for a reasoned debate.
It's been a pleasure, Hoosierboy, having such sharp disagreements with someone who will persist in explaining and defending his beliefs in a reasonable manner. Remarkable, isn't it, these days? 
there were many, many men of Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, etc. who signed up with the express purpose of seeing that slavery be abolished.
That's true, Joated. They made up a tiny fraction of those who volunteered or were drafted, but they would certainly be entitled, in my mind, to claim that they risked much in the cause of ending slavery. (The same, of course, would be true of the many people who, outside of the Civil War, sacrificed in order to free slaves or end slavery.)
Let's see ... blacks lack the same jobs, income, wealth, homeownership, eduction, and social status as whites. Any other resources you'd consider relevant? I could go through the statistics on white vs. black communities and schools, but let's just say the differences are striking.
We could, of course, argue all day about why these things are true. I would just note that blacks had very little, compared to whites, when they were taken out of slavery. And they've been able to make up very little of that ground since.
I guess your comments are the heart of the matter. To claim that the Black community was thrown out with little education preparedness for life etc. when slavery ended was true. That was an excuse for thegenerations up to about 1880. After that there is no excuse.
I also do not buy the argument about no culture, religion etc. Importation of slaves was banned in 1808, and according to blasingame and other historians there was a significant a refined black culture in the antebellum period.
I do not deny any of your arguments regarding predjudice and racial issues. The difference in our opinions is whether you look at the past and say "I can't becasue of all this history" or you look ahead and say "I will not be a victim." Things are not perfect, but the opportunity for success is there for people of any color -- one just has to take advantage of the situation.
Leaders like Wright or Jackson are filled with anger and a 'you owe me' mentality. Many whites are becoming convinced we have paid enough for the sins of our forefathers.
This sort of dialogue is what needs to take place. The whole point of my posts was that I did not hear this from Obama. I heard excuses for Wright's ravings. What a better example could Obama be than to stand up and say -- Look I did it, you can too, instead of I understand his anger?
was an excuse for thegenerations up to about 1880. After that there is no excuse.
That's an interesting argument, Hoosierboy. How do you figure? After all, in 1880, blacks still faced lawful discrimination throughout the country. Blacks were denied access to most jobs in much of the country, and many were limited to sharecropping and similar work. They weren't allowed to vote, to attend most schools, etc.
Even a white immigrant, fresh off the boat, in 1880 (or 1920) was able to work in many jobs, even if they were entry-level, and to advance if talented or hard-working.
Importation of slaves was banned in 1808, and according to blasingame and other historians there was a significant a refined black culture in the antebellum period.
Importation of slaves continued until the Civil War, of course, in fairly large numbers, with far more imported annually in the 1840s and 1850s than in 1808.
I don't see how that's relevant, though. The issue is that slave life hardly allowed for the development of family structures, much less the refinement and transmission of culture, the building of religious institutions, etc. Certainly there was some progress on these fronts among slaves, but not much. And I'm not sure how such elements of culture as art or music count here, either, which I believe is much of what's being discussed in the antebellum period.
I agree with you about the importance of avoiding a victim mentality, or focusing excessively on the past.
Where we part company is that I don't blame blacks for feeling as though they got a raw deal, that it was never addressed properly, and that many whites today seem entirely unsympathetic (even hostile) on this issue. To suggest that there is equal opportunity today, for instance, flies in the face of the evidence, as does the implication that most white families haven't been building on the accumulated efforts of past generations, who had an advantage over their black contemporaries.
The key, I think, is balance, acknowledging the past and addressing its effects, while unleashing the full potential of blacks and allowing all of us to move forward together.
The whole point of my posts was that I did not hear this from Obama.
That's interesting. I was prepared to be quite skeptical of Obama's speech, but I thought I heard him say a number of the right things.
For instance, Obama said, "Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience -- as far as they're concerned, no one handed them anything, they built it from scratch. . . . So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college . . . when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time."
He went on to say that the attitudes of these white Americans are "grounded in legitimate concerns," which must be acknowledged, along with black frustrations, in order to have that dialogue.
He also spoke of the need for responsibility in the black community, which I would have thought was the kind of statement you were looking for.
"To suggest that there is equal opportunity today, for instance, flies in the face of the evidence"
You are correct, there are no United White College Funds supported by McDonald's and other corporations, there is no guarantee that a certain number of whites are admitted to college, regardless of qualifications, there are no special scholarships that can only go to white people. White businesses do not get an advantage in bidding for Government contracts and an advantage when applying for a job.
Seriously, as I addressed yesterday many of the issues such as lack of jobs and education can be traced to modern black culture. Urban youths are discouraged in may communities from studying and working hard in school, less they are perceived as being too "white". The lack of education and ability to speak proper english precludes many jobs.
The entire 'gangsta' mentality is beond me. When I hear Black ministers say you should never trust anyone as a leader who has not been to jail, I shake my head in wonder.
Again, it is a matter of perspective. Do we blame our ills on the clear and acknowledged wrongs of the past or do we move forward. We all have faced disadvantages. From my grade school class of 60-80, less than half graduated high school. From that same group, I was the only one to graduate from college. I understand tough neighborhoods, I get being poor.
I would never equate my families' hardships as the same as a life of slavery. But my Great great grandmother was orphaned as a child. Less she be a burden of the state, she was placed on a train, sent west to live a childhood as a servant. I do not know what emotional scars this experience caused, but I cannot imagine a more difficukt life.
We cannot let the past dictate our future. We cannot let our environment determine success. I do not know if trying to learn something everyday and trying to always make my life better is the key to happiness. I know NOT trying is a key to misery.
Blaming 'the Man' for holding you down will not and cannot release the shackles. You cannot erase five hundred years of discrimination by looking backward and wishing what if.
Until the leaders like the Reverend Wright change the message then people of all colors will have an economic, educational and power advantage over the Black Community. Until leaders like Obama completely repudiate the negative messages the cycle will continue.
Hoosierboy, do you really believe that the current array of programs for blacks, intended to compensate for generations of discrimination, now outweigh the disadvantages they face? That's not what the statistical evidence shows, for instance, in education or economics, to take the examples you used.
I'll grant you that these programs often disadvantage particular white people. I'm no fan of affirmative action, for instance, or most preferences for minority-owned businesses.
This doesn't mean, though, that the average black in this country is born with the same advantages, or faces the same opportunities in life, as the average white.
This is why any solution to our racial problems must account for both perspectives, in my view.
many of the issues such as lack of jobs and education can be traced to modern black culture
It's true that issues like a victim mentality, the "gangsta" culture, or the idea that education is "white," can hold back many blacks. Obama, to his credit, has said this loudly and clearly.
But it's also true that economists have no trouble tracing most of the lack of jobs and education to the history of slavery and stark discrimination in this country. Issues like a lack of education or proper English affecting job opportunities prove to be quite minor in comparison, and I think that simply pointing to them without acknowledging that they're only a small part of the problem is an injustice.
The bottom line, I think, is that you're right that you "cannot erase five hundred years of discrimination by looking backward and wishing what if." At the same time, however, you can't simply pretend that we now live in a society where blacks and whites are treated completely equally, or that the average black now inherits the same advantages as the average white, so that we can simply move forward without thinking about the past or how to address its legacy today.
James, what race are you?
James, what race are you?
Does it really matter?
I'm white.
I simply wanted to know if you were a terminal apologist, or a racist.
Now I know.
I simply wanted to know if you were a terminal apologist, or a racist.
Now I know.
Thanks, Dick. I appreciate that you're willing to let us all know where you stand, to avoid any wasted time.
Since I don't believe that any of us have anything to apologize for, I'll just have to assume you're calling me a rascist.
And they've been able to make up very little of that ground since.
It is the perpetual VICTIMIZATION that disgusts me. The issue to me is whose fault is this? I want EVERYONE White or Black to quit blaming white people for the problems in the black community. With all of the programs whitey has designed to help a brother out why are we blamed b/c certain parts of the community refuse to better themselves?
You know what they say about people who assume, don't ya?
I kinda had you figured for the apologist, but I'll hold my reservations and let you tell me.
ditto. I'm glad this has finally taken center stage thanks to Obama. I'm glad that over the next year or so I will be able to express my views and not feel guilty or "racist" about them. As far as rev.wright fuck him right back.
No wonder James has HUAD...He's been sucking down the copious amounts of white guilt propaganda available weekends on PBS.
You're not going to like the rest of this either James, but the reason "race relations" are so screwed up in this country is the last 40 years and $5 trillion in welfare-transfer from the predominatly productive white Americans to those who could be as productive as them, but choose instead to be drunks, pimps and dope pushers.
Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and many other REAL leaders in the black community have documented this (including Bill Cosby!) and yet guilt-trippers like your brain-filthied self continue to whine about how enough's not being done.
And you're right...Enough's not being done, but not from our end!
Take a look in the mirror, and realize that if you're expecting more handouts because of what was allegedly done your ancestors, YOU are the problem.
Then deal with it!
Got sent here from GuyK's blog. Glad I did. I think you said it just fine and said what I have myself in the past.
We're 4 to 5 generations beyond slavery, time to get your sh!t together and quit blaming everyone but yourself for your failure to move on.
Sigh. Where to begin, Ted?
Take a look in the mirror, and realize that if you're expecting more handouts because of what was allegedly done your ancestors, YOU are the problem.
I'm not expecting any handouts, Ted, nor anything else because of what might have been done to my ancestors.
Did you think I was black?
No wonder James has HUAD...He's been sucking down the copious amounts of white guilt propaganda available weekends on PBS.
I don't watch public television, Ted.
Nor do I accept the notion of "white guilt." In fact, I rant against it frequently. 
I think I'll leave it there ....
JAMES ain't me,, my feelings on Obama's bullshit speech are on my site. For the record, Guyk is dead on the money and in the end its all about the bucks.
Interesting article and extremely lively comments. Guess I'd better get busy and create my own posting on this Obama attendance at a bigot's church. I think I might have some interesting anecdotes and views, mainly because of my age and the experience of being raised in a city that at one time had minimal racial problems.
It'll take a couple of days so postpone your visit if you would.
Us old farts, er fogies, don't always get things done when they should.
I think you expressed yourself beautifully. It does no good to dwell on things, it creates bitterness. People need to get over it and move on.
Brilliantly stated.
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