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Well, Dave, I must say you were very restrained in your choice of links to SpongeDob, given that you could have opted for this one or this one or my own personal fave.
I've owned appliances with a clearer concept of real family values than these idiots have.
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Drat! Last link behind a NYT firewall.
Anyway, it was the SpongeDob SquirtyPants controversy.
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Watch thes morons try to turn this around as proof they need to fight harder for "family values" since they are now clearly losing.
Perhaps I'm just being pessimistic today.
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what we call 'traditional marriage' is by no means traditionsl.....it is a modern, patricarchal invention. back when we were all tribal, marriage and the structure of family was very different, much healthier.'
i have no idea why we ever got married....we were very young and i think more interested in having a big party. there's only been one anniversary we ever celebrated and that was the 25th. oh wait, at the time co-habitants didn't get a tax break!!!!
how long ago was it the wording 'pronouce you man and wife' was changed to 'huband and wife'? only yesterday on the scale of history. given the amount of breakups AFTER co-habitants get married, there's gotta be something to the institution that isn't healthy.
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Very thoughtful article and comments.
I got married because it was one of the few ways I could get away from my parents and was the only socially acceptable way of co-habitation at the time.
My marriage lasted fourteen years - during which I made more money and contributed more. When it ended, I ended it because of an affair - of his. It cost me a lot.
My next relationship was because I wanted two children - the idea being that I would have them and he would get lost (a more personal sperm donor type of situation - because of the times, sperm donors were almost unheard of.) I had two children in twenty one months, the personal relationship lasted three years and it took me twelve years and over 100K to finally stand up for myself and get him out - he's never paid a cent in support either when he lived with us or when he left - and I didn't go after him because I hate ugliness. Fortunately, I was able to earn a decent living which provided my children with all they needed - not wanted, but needed.
Yes, I have terrible judgement and taste in men.
My point, I'm increasingly in the majority of women my age - 50 to 60, where the women have divorced once or twice, and have decided to never tread the waters again. To my mind, the whole "family" rhetoric has been co-opted by the Dobson right, and I'm damned mad about it. Had I continued in their so-called family values, I wouldn't have a house, my daughter wouldn't be in university (still living at home) and my son wouldn't be building a sound studio in our basement so he can produce his own CDs because I wouldn't have had to money to contribute to it, nor the sanity and energy to encourage it.
Insofar as Dobson is concerned, isn't this the freak who beat his dog and recommends doing so to his children? What kind of values are those. I've never hit my kids or dogs, and all of them have made me proud.
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Well said, Dave.
My partner and I never required the approval of state or church to establish our relationship, now in its 19th year. The state certificate did come in handy for health coverage and some property issues but that is convenience that is outside our mutual commitment.
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I read recently that atheists have a lower divorce rate than many religious people and that the rate of divorce in the bible belt is much higher than in other places in the US.
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without traditional family life (including the subjugation of women)
Why does traditional family life include the subjugation of anyone? My wife is raising the brood and she works goddam hard at it! Much more physically, and perhaps even mentally demanding, than my day job, I have no doubt. She will return to the workforce once the kids are in school (her choice, which I have no issue with) but neither of us want strangers at some daycare tending our little ones (during their alloted time between tending 20 other snotty-nosed, screaming, potentially sick, rugrats) with ways unknown while we "just go and earn money". We are fortunate enough to be able to afford this choice, but do not presume for one minute that I consider her a "servant" or in any way less than my equal.
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