Good to see Sexy Results rolling again--it's always your best work. Muchas gracias for the mention. Made me feel like an important part of pop culture for a second.
Come on...you think I'd let the memories of our "party mix" die so easily? "The Stars Are Projectors"...God, we were so fucking cool.
Um... the link from the Sun is broken. Based on what you wrote, I tried to find it, but no go. Anyways, always good to see you dropping knowledge, man.
it is a shame so many folks have shot themselves in the foot and fulfilled your prophecy, because things didn't really need to be that black or white. in fact, i think you're trying to come down in the middle with that 7.0/B talk, though you're really not telling me what it is about the album that you think doesn't suck, other than the fact that it's short.
in other words, while i totally agree with you about the ridiculousness of the hyperbole (I think McGarvey did a pretty great job today of explaining why he happened to like it without regressing into hyperventilating fanboy-ism) and I'm probably pretty close to agreeing with you on the album's quality (though I think I like it a bit more), it feels like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too a bit here, railing against the syncophants and setting yourself up as someone who sees through the Clipse's bullshit, but still giving the album fairly good marks at the end of the day.
unless you're on the xgau scale and B/B- means "basically sucks ass" in which case nevermind.
good stuff. great blog, however, i have to wholeheartedly disagree with your review.
the clipse are incredible because of their wordplay and metaphors. my jaw would literally drop after hearing some of their lines, and i would frantically rewind just to hear it again. im from the bronx (actually a couple of blocks from where the clipse were first raised), and love hip hop to death and i dont think ive ever heard lines and metaphors like thiers with such frequency.
also, thier flow is undeniable, they ride the beat incredibly well, weaving in and out of the song, to the point where the song doesnt seem like two guys rapping over a beat.
ima admittedly a huge clipse fan, i drove from ithaca to nyc for their knitting factory show, and literally sang every single word along with them, so this comment was more probably an outpouring of emotion, then coherant thought, but whatever, take it how you want it.
ps. i do think its kind of weird that they've become this hipster rap group. evolving to the point where GQ calls them the wilco of hip hop.
all of my friends at school and at home, think the clipse are good rappers, but they have absolutely no desire to hear more of them or buy their album.
i just dont get it. these guys have the same subject material as jeezy, poppy beats from the Neptunes, and a good single with Mr. Me Too, but nothing took off.
these guys arent going to push albums, and i wonder if jive is going to take an "i told you so" stance and never release another album, i would also like to see how Pusha and Malice deal with low album sales. they cant fall back on that "were platinum artists stuck in label purgatory so we hustle as a result." its going to be obvious after this album that they dont really ride in G4s and drop $200,000 on jewelry.
Incredibly on-point and well-written. Kudos.
By chance, was it Aphex Twin's "Digeridoo" that cleared the parties?
"Incredibly on-point and well-written. Kudos."???!?!?!
Honestly, coming from a stylus fuck, we get what we expect:
"God, we were so fucking cool."
"God, we were so fucking cool."
"God, we were so fucking cool."
Yep.
You can shit on the Clipse album. Really hard to do, kid. I might say, INCREDIBLY ON POINT!
Because, yes, Colin fucking Meloy definitely DESERVED AUTONOMY and thats why there were 2 12 minute songs on the album.
The thing is, you're backlashing against Clipse with the rest of the bullshit Stylus/fork critics, and I don't give a fuck what they rate the album.
Okay, you may be thinking: "why care? Just ignore it."
And I will, but just wanted to voice how pathetic this comes across.
But laugh, BRO, laugh it off!
People who actually get PAID to write things, guess what, they're reviewing the album pretty positively.
Not a great album, but a really good one, same with Ys, and as wonderfully iconoclastic as you're being (Slipknot and Thursday, yesss!), the writing doesn't say ANYTHING.
Worse off you don't even have the grammar of most college freshmen.
I could point these out in a very specific manner.
I won't.
But I will say that you are naive to the point of ignorance if you think Sean F's reviews actually sell records on major labels.
Same goes for whatever kid they let have it at stylus.
I'm just being paid a rather hefty sum to write about the Clipse album, and I wanted to read everything I could before.
Despite the facile "blog-rap" rap they get, all the reviews have been negative.
Just most of them actually said SOMETHING about the MUSIC, at the very least.
Yours didn't, it was very poorly written, and embarrassing in its hollow criticism. And all the other comments were dickriding.
But dude, we called Ritalin diet Coke in HS.
Dude, we're so much better than these rappers, dude.
And newsflash, Ian, rappers with real contracts who really talk about dealing the drugs? They don't fucking deal the drugs, idiot. You deal coke, you generally don't make constant, recorded announcements about it to thousands or millions of people.
Clipse didn't choose Jive. They were signed to Arista and when Arista folded a few years ago, right when they were set to record their follow-up to Lord Willin', they were contractually obligated to move to Jive. They knew it wasn't the right place for them and they sued to get off the label and go to whatever label Pharrell was on. That's the main reason for the wait between albums. Also as more time passed the Clipse had to record something entirely different b/c their whole mindset had changed. And Jive didn't know how to promote the album so I'm guessing they waited til the holiday season when it would have the best chance to actually sell.
I really love your writing but, honestly, what's the point of criticizing people who criticize music? If you don't like the album, that's fine. Just go ahead and say it (Personally, I think it's pretty hot and I listen to quite a bit of rap.). But looking at every single album through the veil of Pitchfork just does more to legitimize the writers over there. I agree it's borderline-creepy how much those dudes fetishize Clipse/Wayne's coke fetish. But why give those dudes (Pitchfork, Breihan, etc.) more attention? You know they're reading your blog and loving that they got under your skin.
Also, I'm pretty sure Clipse did sell drugs back in the day. I don't think you'd rap about how your grandma used to push yay and then on the next album apologize to your grandman for said rap if it weren't true. But maybe I'm just being naive.
The vitriol just couldn't be contained on a single popcrit web site! No blog is safe! Hide your children!
i agree that hell hath... isn't all that great, but also agree that this "review" is pretty halfbaked. to write a whole diatribe against the mainstream indie media via clipse, then say the album is a 7/B, is pretty weak. don't hate on the clipse because some dudes latched on to them. and at least clipse can stay on beat, unlike ghost.
ian, while we're discussing hip hop, ive never seen you mention def jux or quannumm. any opinions? i assume you hate them, cuz hating things is cool.
"if you think "Hell Hath No Fury" is an event or even an above-average rap album, you don't listen to enough rap."
this really sums up the condescending tone of this moronic post.
and when you mix the two, people actually care enough to come out and say something.
But there's so much wrong with this post (w/r/t to the Clipse especially), I don't know where to begin.
"Speaking of her, remember what I said about "Ys," like, two months ago?"
hahaha
so prescient!
"our fraternity house"
exactly.
I'm currently previewing Dipset Christmas. Please do everyone a favor and review this in your blog, possibly on Stylus. Thx.
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