Mojo,
This stuff is brutal. When I hear about it, I try to avoid writing about it on my blog...it only gives these evil, despicable, murderous people who do such things a chance to get their message out. The best way to destroy these people and their message of death and destruction is to put more emphasis on the good that has been happening in Iraq, as opposed to having the media collect every image of the aftermath of bomb explosions.
What sickens me even more is that the media will eat this up and proclaim to their viewers that all hope is lost...that the "surge has failed, its nothing but a civil war, and Bush lied, people died". After all, defending their ideology is the primary concern among such people, not putting aside their differences to help the people of Iraq.
What we also need to remember is that these vile people who blow up children are no different than the people who are terrorizing Pakistan, or Algeria, or Israel...by the way, another horrendous act was committed over there when a Palestinian gunman massacred 8 students in Jerusalem.
These are difficult times...I want to do everything I can to help the people of Iraq, but its so difficult when most people in this country are more concerned about there own personal lives, and are more into the idea of pulling out of Iraq and worring about our own problems here at home.
Mojo, as long as there are people like you who continue to believe in hope, I will continue to do so as well. John Mccain has said that he will be the "last man standing" in regards to defending the liberation of Iraq, but I don't see how that could ever be the case...because it would imply that I would have given up, and that will NEVER happen...not as long as there is hope for freedom, a better world for tomorrow, and a world without terrorism.
I believe in hope, yes. So do the majority of Iraqis. Insha Allah, they say. Allah Kareem, they remind me every day.
"I started talking about Zarqawi and she interrupted “IF he existed” – I was shocked"
He only existed if America created him,because there is no evil unless America is behind it. CSS,Annie,and Bruno will latch onto a theory of how Zarqawi was created by the CIA or some such nonsense......as soon as some goofball with a webpage provides them with a link. THEN they'll go on and on about how evil he was. Until then...he was just a psyop operation....LOL.
Significantly, in a joint statement, over 130 Iraqi tribal leaders from the Shiite-dominated provinces of southern Iraq also denounced Ahmadinejad’s visit. “Since five years ago Iraq has turned into the scene of the Iranian regime’s meddling and aggression. Everyday hundreds of Iraqis are victims of the Iranian exported terrorism. In southern Iraq we are witnessing the murder of our children and ransack of our oil and other national wealth by the criminal elements of the Iranian regime,” the statement said. In late 2007, more than 300,000 Shiite Iraqis, including hundreds of tribal leaders from the southern provinces, signed a petition condemning the Iranian regime’s meddling in Iraq and supporting the presence of the main Iranian opposition group, the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI/MEK), in Iraq.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2...,335388,00.html
I've never really understood why some people believe that Zarqawi did not exist. Is it because the man was so evil, some people just don't want to accept that their fellow human beings can do such horrible things? Or is it just anti-Americanism, like the 9/11 truthers and the people who say the Iraq War was about oil. (I have a feeling Bruno or Advocate might have something to say about that)
Maybe its a little of both...one things for sure, it comes from someone who is seriously misinformed or is so obsessed with their ideological beliefs that they can't see reality anymore.
[maury] "CSS,Annie,and Bruno will latch onto a theory of how Zarqawi was created by the CIA or some such nonsense"
Evidently you missed this:
"The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
[...]
Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey, who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.
In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."
[...]
The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. "Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response," one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: "Media operations," "Special Ops (626)" (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein's government) and "PSYOP," the U.S. military term for propaganda work.
One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."
[...]
"Through aggressive Strategic Communications, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations," the same briefing asserts."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0900890_pf.html
Go argue with General Kermit, Maury.
[ch] "I've never really understood why some people believe that Zarqawi did not exist."
The doubts people had/have over his existence and / or deeds relates directly to American disinformation efforts and claims about his supposed accomplishments.
Notice his ability to grow back a leg?
Notice his ability to be in two places at the same time?
Notice his ability to endlessly spawn "most trusted lieutenants" for the Americans to capture?
Notice his ability to constantly evade capture but always somehow leave behind incriminating documents and laptops for the Americans to pick up?
Is there any wonder that much doubt was expressed over his deeds, status and even existence? Maybe if America didn't spew so much bullshit over this man, helping along the sectarian divide in the process, we would have a clearer picture on the truth of the matter.
"Go argue with General Kermit, Maury."
Why would I argue with him Bruno? Propaganda is a part of every war. We vilified Hitler during WW11. Does that mean he was less of a villain? Did the PSYOPS campaign targeting Zarqawi and friends hasten the Awakening? If so,the Army deserves a pat on the back.
[maury] "Propaganda is a part of every war. We vilified Hitler during WW11. Does that mean he was less of a villain? Did the PSYOPS campaign targeting Zarqawi and friends hasten the Awakening?"
Good. So we agree that the whole Zarqawi phenomenon was essentially driven by America aggrandising some little shit. Of course, deepening the sectarian split is part of the price of entry, wasn't it?
"Good. So we agree that the whole Zarqawi phenomenon was essentially driven by America aggrandising some little shit."
Hell no we don't agree on that bullshit. Just look at your own quotes above,and notice all the "qualifiers" they contain.
The effort has raised his profile in a way that "some" military intelligence officials "believe may have" overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Believe may have? LOL!
Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq "have conducted deadly bombing attacks", they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers,"
They killed THOUSANDS with those deadly bombing attacks Bruno. We dropped thousands of bombs during WW11,but it's the two we dropped on Japan that everyone remembers. Why ya think that is Bruno?
"Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, IN SOME WAYS."
Yeah,again with the qualifier.
"One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."
Information campaign Bruno. NOT disinformation campaign. Try to get that into your thick head.
"The effort has raised his profile in a way that "some" military intelligence officials "believe may have" overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."
[maury] "Just look at your own quotes above,and notice all the "qualifiers" they contain."
That's pure and unadulterated sewage, MAury.
All we heard about, day in, day out, was how Zarqawi was leading the evil terrorist insurgency and how important he was and how he was behind everything in Iraq.
Yet, somehow, when he got knocked off, the RESISTANCE GREW EVEN STRONGER.
THE FACTS fully support the notion that he was a very small player in the grand scheme of things.
All that CENTCOM qualifying is hedging their position for when people ask why now that Zarqawi is gone, the resistance is even stronger.
They know damn well what they did, I know it, and so do millions of other informed people across the globe, people that don't lap up the CENTCOM crap like retards. His profile was completely distorted, and we KNOW IT.
Feel free to peddle that crap to the newbies at ITM or Jeffrey's hole, but don't expect people with more than one brain cell to believe that America didn't deliberately misinform the world on the nature of the resistance.
hey dude whats this i hear that sadr is in a coma?
Kimmitt said, "There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was, primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience." A goal of the campaign was to drive a wedge into the insurgency by emphasizing Zarqawi's terrorist acts and foreign origin, said officers familiar with the program. "Through aggressive Strategic Communications, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations," the same briefing asserts."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0900890_pf.html
Like I said, argue with Kermit.
Maybe Maury can find Zarqawi's missing leg, while he's at it.
James, the Sadr coma story can be found here:
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog...nal/en/
5884.htm
It's from a MEMRI source, it could well be unreliable. I suggest awaiting confirmation from a more reputable source. If it's true, what's the bet he was poisoned deliberately?
Kimmitt said, "There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was, primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience." A goal of the campaign was to drive a wedge into the insurgency by emphasizing Zarqawi's terrorist acts and foreign origin, said officers familiar with the program. "Through aggressive Strategic Communications, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations," the same briefing asserts."
What part of that do you want me to argue with Bruno? If the goal was to drive a wedge in the insurgency...mission accomplished. You want to equate a public awareness campaign with some kind of skullduggery. So they "emphasized his terrorist acts and foreign origin". That's not the same as making shit up,like you keep implying.
"If it's true, what's the bet he was poisoned deliberately?"
Or maybe he yanked one booger too many.
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/...nose-
723066.jpg
Shi'ite cleric and leader Muqtada Al-Sadr was secretly transferred a few days ago from Iraq to Iran for hospitalization as he was comatose.
It was reported that his illness resulted from food poisoning.
Al-Sadr is being treated by Iranian specialists, as well as by Russian doctors brought in to help the Iranian medical staff treat him.
Huh. He got "food poisoning" about the same time Ahmadinejad came to visit Iraq, eh? And the Soviets are helping treat him, huh? The Soviets have a long history of keeping their leaders "comatose" when they become unpopular, don't they? I wonder if the only word anyone is ever going to hear from Al Sadr in the future is going to be televised speeches he makes while sitting heavily drugged in a wheelchair?
Oops. I said "Soviets" didn't I? The Soviets are gone, and I'm sure the Russians wouldn't do something like that, would they?
I'm gonna go ahead and doubt this story, until it gets some more credible coverage, anyway.
"That's not the same as making shit up,like you keep implying."
Yeah it's clear the US military wasn't lying about Zarqawi. They drove a wedge between ordinary Iraqis and the terrorist scum of earth, and people are pissed off about this?
Bruno, were you hoping the US military would say some nice things about Zarqawi & AQ?
Has anybody read what Riverbend wrote about Zarqawi?
"So 'Zarqawi' is finally dead. It was an interesting piece of news that greeted us yesterday morning (or was it the day before? I've lost track of time…). I didn't bother with the pictures and film they showed of him because I, personally, have been saturated with images of broken, bleeding bodies.
The reactions have been different. There's a general consensus amongst family and friends that he won't be missed, whoever he is. There is also doubt- who was he really? Did he even exist? Was he truly the huge terror the Americans made him out to be? When did he actually die? People swear he was dead back in 2003… The timing is extremely suspicious: just when people were getting really fed up with the useless Iraqi government, Zarqawi is killed and Maliki is hailed the victorious leader of the occupied world! (And no- Iraqis aren't celebrating in the streets- worries over electricity, water, death squads, tests, corpses and extremists in high places prevail right now.)"
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.co...earch?
q=zarqawi
No wonder the "anti-war" folks and the Sunni Arabs loved Riverbend.
There's a YouTube video showing Iraqis celebrating the killing of the mass murderer Zarqawi - I'll search for it later and post it. Here's a blog showing a few pics: http://powerlineblog.com/archive...ives/
014339.php
"Has anybody read what Riverbend wrote about Zarqawi?"
I read one of her posts and tried to stay far away after that. Just like with that Layla creature. They're both so nasty,I'm afraid I'll catch something. Scientists haven't definitively proven that STD's can't be transmitted through the internet....LOL.
I think Layla is much nastier than Riverbend.
Iraq Pundit has published a post about this bombing and believes that AQI is trying to influence the US elections: http://iraqpundit.blogspot.com/2...n-
campaign.html
Maury,
If Bruno actually believes the things he is typing, there's really no point in trying to show him reality...its a lost cause.
I don't know what is the problem there. it is not the first time and the government had to make better plans. There is a problem. i feel really upset at seeing such sad scenes. but anyway, i hope that every good hidden thing will appear soon.
Mojo, take care and i pray for you..
TV is besides me and In news now I watch a report in alhurriya , people there lighted up candles for the blessed souls..
sandybelle, how did al jazeera report it?
sir, it is not my honor to watch aljazeera. no i don't watch it. but sure there will be hurt for iraqis.
How about Al Arabiya?
God help the victims and their relatives. Take care of yourself, sandybelle.
sandybelle, did you watch this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=tffMuTscRDw
"access denied" i don't know what is the matter. as i told you, here we can't visit all sites we like like shi3i ones, and ones about singers. there is no freedom!!!! the main company is sectarian. what does it contain?
It's a video showing footage of the Ashoura bombing in Kerbela (2005 or 2006), coupled with footage of la6um, with Bassim al Kerbalaie (I think) singing "Ya Hosain". It's a powerful video. Too bad you can't watch it.
The terrorists think they are achieving something good by mass murdering Iraqis like this, but all this does is make Iraqis hate the Wahhabi scum even more. Sure, the wounded, their relatives, and the people of Karrada are angry with the Iraqi govt for not being able to provide security, but in the long term, it is the image of the "resistance" and Al Qaeda that suffers most.
Oh my God, I called them "Wahhabi scum". Were any Muslims or Arabs offended by that?
The "good" the "resistance" thinks it is achieving is to continue the sectarian tensions that have paralyzed Iraq with bloodshed in the past. Now that Iraqis are rising up against terrorism and working together to rebuild their country, the terrorists, or as you call it Mojo, the "Wahabbi Scum" are determined to drag Iraq back into chaos. That way, they can destroy the trust between the Iraqi government, the US military, and the people of Iraq and the USA.
It seems the strategy of the "resistance" is to blow up as many people as possible, get it on TV, and cripple the effort by convincing the American people that all hope is lost.
Mojo, Sandy
I added your blogs to a link list on my blog, since I really enjoying reading about what you have to say...I hope you don't mind 
Thanks C.H.! You have a nice blog! I will read more of it this weekend.
You are interested in Israel, I see. It is tragic, what happened in Jerusalem.
maury the fatso in curlers has spoken LMAO
Mojo Takfiri is more politically correct than Wahhabi. Many millions of muslims around the world, including Pakistan and India, have recently converted to the Wahhabi faith due to KSA's expensive efforts.
Many of them are good people who love god and all of God's children.
Wahhabi scum paints to broad a brush, just as "Muslim scum" does.
Takfiri is just right. The large majority of muslims around the world virulently dislike Takfiri. The muslim and nonmuslim world can get together to fight the Takfiri enemy.
I have thought for a long time how best to describe the enemy. Terrorist? Maybe, but not descriptive enough. Islamist extremist? To close to Islamic extremist and might be misunderstood. Jihadi can also refer to internal struggle, and might be misunderstood by some muslims. I like the word Takfiri best.
It is grimly ironic that these two terrorist atrocities should occur within hours of each other in Baghdad and Jerusalem. It is clear proof that Iraq and Israel are two fronts in the common struggle against Takfiri terror. Here are the latest stories about the funerals of dead students from the Jerusalem yeshiva from CBS and Haaretz online at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in3916190.shtml & http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
961933.html
anand,it's the intolerance of Wahhabiism that gives rise to Takfiris. Most Takfiris are Wahhabi. As long as the Wahhabi cult is practiced,it will produce Takfiris. These are the same people that cut open pregnant Iraqi women 200 years ago,right?
http://www.americanenergyindepen...om/
takfiri.html
anand is technically right of course. I just don't see us winning the WOT until the Saudi's make serious changes in their programming.
So what if the U.S. embelished Zarqawi a little bit. Like Baghdad Bob was so honest! "All's fair in love and war"! It's not like the asshole didn't deserve to die!! I'm so sick of bleeding hearts crying for the likes of him when kids under 10 years old are getting beheaded because they belong to the wrong sect! What kind of religion actually teaches that kind of shit?? No God based religion on this planet!! The Koran does not teach this, only what sick, perverted men have added to it. Islam is not the problem, but some of the sick twisted perverts that claim to control it do!! When Iraq and other Muslim countries separate their politics from their religion, the world will be a better place for everyone!
[maury] "What part of that do you want me to argue with Bruno? If the goal was to drive a wedge in the insurgency...mission accomplished. You want to equate a public awareness campaign with some kind of skullduggery. So they "emphasized his terrorist acts and foreign origin". That's not the same as making shit up,like you keep implying."
Let's try this for size.
Steven.D.Green is American.
Steven.D.Green is a rapist murderer.
Therefore, all Americans are rapist murderers.
Make sense? Of course not. Yet this:
Zarqawi is a Sunni
Zarqawi is a murderer of Shia
Therefore all Sunnis are murderers of Shia
Is the logic shift that the US was making with making Zarqawi out to be representative of the Sunni Resistance groups.
It's like I suddenly control all the newspapers and TV channels in the world and I'm pumping out 24/7 propaganda that makes Green out to be the true representative of American culture. The truth of Green being a rapist and murderer becomes subsumed by the greater lies that depict him as being the True American.
Sure, the Zarqawi ploy worked great in dividing the Sunni and Shia resistance elements from each other.
It also had the side effect of dividing the Sunni and Shia communities as well. THAT, is not so good.
"Zarqawi is a Sunni
Zarqawi is a murderer of Shia
Therefore all Sunnis are murderers of Shia"
Was that the message of the psy ops?
[Bruno] Is the logic shift that the US was making with making Zarqawi out to be representative of the Sunni Resistance groups.
Yet, now that the Sunni Resistance is working with the Americans, we have learned that they are all money grubbing scum who are gathering weapons for an attack on the Shi'a. Remember St. Nir Rosen?
[Bruno quoting Wapo] "Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers,"
But the corpses and chaos AQI have generated far outstrip their numbers. Thanks for the reminder of how WaPo worked to cover Zarqawi's evil behind.
From a Nov 2006 BBC article:
"The majority of insurgents are thought to be Iraqi and Sunni. The proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgency is widely considered to be less than 10%, although the US military said in May 2006 that 90% of suicide bombers used by Iraq's former al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, were from outside Iraq."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
5052138.stm
Bruno: "Steven.D.Green is American.
Steven.D.Green is a rapist murderer.
Therefore, all Americans are rapist murderers.
Make sense? Of course not."
What?!?!? That's exactly what you and your Italian boyfriend have been saying for years!!
As soon as I pick up my jaw I will bookmark this one and put it beside the other classic Bruno-isms you've given me.
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Bruno: "It's like I suddenly control all the newspapers and TV channels in the world and I'm pumping out 24/7 propaganda that makes Green out to be the true representative of American culture. The truth of Green being a rapist and murderer becomes subsumed by the greater lies that depict him as being the True American."
Again, this is exactly what you've been trying to do against US efforts in Iraq.
Bruno, did somebody steal your identity, like has been happening at Zeyad's? Or are you actually beginning to see the error of being a shameless propagandist for the violent and evil enemies of Iraq? Your "links" today at Zeyad's seemed mellower than usual, too. I know there were better pro-terrorist/insurgent and anti-US links available today than the ones you chose. What gives, man?
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"What gives, man?"
A conscience.
anand: "A conscience."
Why now?!?! Is... Bruno... flipping ??
Bruno, maybe there's hope for you after all. Look at page 5 of this:
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/images/
s...0309_slides.pdf
I know you get a special kick out of captions such as that.
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Bruno will like page 5 
[rhus] "What?!?!? That's exactly what you and your Italian boyfriend have been saying for years!! "
I think, Rhus, that if you re-read my comments you will find that my vitriol is directed primarily at the US military system and the way that it allows scumbags like Green to flourish within it. The US military is like a culture medium for human bacteria, and the war in Iraq has acted like fertiliser for the problem.
[rhus] "Why now?!?! Is... Bruno... flipping ??"
No, not hardly. Anand nailed it one the head. I have a conscience, you see.
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