Mojo,
And he shouted "God Is Great" before opening up on his fellow soldiers. Once again, some monster attempted to rope God into his purely political murders, and suggested that God was obligated to give him a free pass into Heaven for doing it.
Rather than political, a certain religion did play very much a strong role in his actions. In fact, he was a very good, devout Muslim (certainly more devout than Obama), who attended prayer services seven days a week.
And he was inspired by the Quran, that is for sure.
My full comment was cut off.
Censorship here?
Disgusting.
MG,
Well, the self-designated Palestinian, Maj. Hasan, was inspired by religion in that he believed that a Muslim who dies on the right side in "battle" (regardless how stretched the definition of that word or the motivation for the fight) goes straight to Heaven.
But his motives were entirely political. He disagreed with the missions in Afghanistan and Iraq and did not want to serve there (even though he had benefitted lucratively from the US military for 20 years). But there's nothing in the Quran that states that the (ostensibly secular) Ba3thists should run Iraq or that his government should not be overthrown by a non-Islamic government. There's nothing in the Quran that says Palestine should not be controlled by a majority Jewish government. There's nothing that implies that the governments Afghanistan or KSA are illegitimate if they are supported by the US. All these are purely political disputes that are being metastasized by an unfounded religious belief.
When Himmler formed the Bosnian Muslim SS, he remarked how useful it was to have soldiers who believed they would go to Heaven if they died in battle (for whatever reason).
Granted, this is not a new belief among Muslims. But it is certainly not positively supported by the Quran. And no majority Muslim region will be stable where that belief persists.
It is comforting that CAIR finally gets it. It took them 5 months to condemn OBL for 911. But they came out immediately and condemned Maj. Hasan. If they do this often enough, perhaps I'll believe they mean it.
"It took them 5 months to condemn OBL for 911."
Really??
FYI, I have not altered or censored any comments by Mister Ghost.
Muslims have been mixing politics and religion for decades. Many Muslims are against political Islam: http://www.ntpi.org/
Is Maj. Hasan related to Aflaq??
ces couleurs exécuter. Öbama.
"But his motives were entirely political."
For religious political reasons. We've got to do something about Saudi Arabia controlling 80% of US mosques. And the fact that Wahhabi extremists control vetting procedures for Muslim Chaplains in the military. And we shouldn't allow this Wahhabi shit to be preached in our prisons.
We'll continue having these kinds of incidents as long as these suicidal policies are in place. The Beltway sniper was no fluke. The grenade attack by a Muslim soldier in Kuwait was no fluke. And neither was this.
'Relatives said he felt harassed because of his Muslim faith but did not embrace extremism. Others were not so sure. A recent classmate said Hasan once gave a jarring presentation to students in which he argued the war on terrorism was a war against Islam, and "made himself a lightning rod for things" when he felt his religious beliefs were challenged.
Investigators were trying to piece together how and why Hasan allegedly gunned down his comrades in the worst case of violence on a military base in the U.S. The rampage unfolded at a center where some 300 unarmed soldiers were lined up for vaccines and eye tests.
Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the post commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireSto...tory?
id=9021191
'President Obama was right to warn on Friday, in the aftermath of the horrific Fort Hood, Tex., slayings, "against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." It will be too easy for some to make that mistake, given the Arab heritage of alleged gunman Nidal Malik Hasan, his reported daily attendance at a Silver Spring mosque during his years in Washington and the anti-Muslim harassment that a relative said he endured in the Army. In fact, the terrible crime of which Maj. Hasan is accused was not the expression of any faith, nor the work of a terrorist organization, but rather, it appears, the act of an evil or deranged individual. It says nothing about American Muslims -- an estimated 3,000 of whom serve honorably in the armed forces. Maj. Hasan's own family issued a statement calling the attack "despicable and deplorable." "Our family loves America," the statement said.
One of the most obvious questions as investigations go forward is whether the FBI or military authorities missed an opportunity to prevent Maj. Hasan from acting. The Associated Press reported that the suspect came to the attention of law enforcement at least six months ago because of Internet postings that praised suicide bombers. Other reports said that he had been counseled because of poor performance while training as a psychiatrist, that he had been resisting a deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan, and that he had been trying to leave the military. Were disgruntlement and threatening behavior taken seriously enough?'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9110603803.html
Yeah, it took five months for CAIR to condemn OBL. They finally did it the following February.
It's looking pretty apparant that the military missed some clear signs that Maj. Hasan needed to be retired rather than promoted. It is also possible that Hasan was on a trajectory to pull something like this. It just so happens that he did it under the Army's employ.
"and the anti-Muslim harassment that a relative said he endured in the Army"
He's starting to sound a lot like a shipmate I once had. He would rub people the wrong way and then insert his "jewishness" into it. It was easier to believe he was being persecuted than admit to himself he was an asshole.
Mojo,this is the only site on the web that loads slow for me. I get the "Done,but with errors on the page" message. Several of the pictures don't load. I've got high speed internet. I can download a movie while I'm waiting for your page to load....LOL.
Maury, it's because I have three videos posted on the current page - if YouTube is slow, loading this page will be slow. Also haloscan comments must load, and if there's a problem with haloscan, there will be problems loading the page.
I need to clean up the sidebar anyway and replace at least some of the pics.
Listen, there have been many friendly fire shootings, this is the first one by a Muslim. Who was obviously crazy. If his religion had not inspired him, something else would have. Because he was crazy. By the way, he was harassed for being a Muslim. There have been 75 soldier suicides since 2003 at Fort Hood alone.
'A cousin of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said that he began a stricter practice of Islam after his mother died nine years ago, observing the five daily prayers and taking other aspects of the faith more seriously after a loss that affected him deeply.
"He became religious after the death of his mother. Before that he was more secular," said Mohammed Mounif Hasan, 25, part of an extended family split between the United States and their ancestral town on the outskirts of Ramallah in the West Bank. The mother had undergone a long treatment for cancer, and the three sons "were really connected to her."
Like others who knew Hasan, members of his family here on the West Bank were struggling to reconcile the murderous Fort Hood shooting spree with a man they knew as unassuming and seemingly dedicated to his military career.
"He is a doctor and loves the U.S.," Ismail Mustafa Hamad, 88, his grandfather, said to the Reuters news agency from his home in Al-Bireh. "America made him what he is. Whether he became angry or something else, I don't know."
Like many residents of Al-Bireh, Hasan's grandparents emigrated from here to the United States in the late 1950s, leaving what was then a rural farming community that has since been swallowed into the urban sprawl of Ramallah.
The emigration was largely economic, with some investing in businesses, pursuing advanced degrees or, in the case of several members of the Hasan family, enlisting in the U.S. military.'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9110701688.html
'Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who allegedly went on a murderous shooting spree here Thursday, confessed to his local mosque elder months ago that he was conflicted between his devotion to Islam and his allegiance to the U.S. military.
"If soldiers come to me and have problems fighting other Muslims, what do I tell them?" Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said Hasan asked him in August.'
http://www.usatoday.com/news/
mil...conflicts_N.htm
It's loading quick now Mojo.
It's just wrong for all these "experts" to be saying this wasn't Islam. It was the Saudi version of Islam. Everyone knows Al Qaida's ideology is the Saudi version of Islam. When bullshit like this goes down,Islamic leaders in the US should spit the truth out. Until the matter is dealt with,Islam will continue getting a black eye,whether it deserves one or not.
"I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."
Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates in a graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal written complaint.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091...XNwZWN0dG9sZHQ-
His family says he was persecuted,but it sounds more like the opposite to me.
The FBI knew about his praise of suicide bombers,and the military knew he was a ticking time bomb. Nobody did anything,because they didn't want to appear "insensitive" to Muslims. Only in Amreeka.....
I found a personal account about Hasan by a muslim convert american soldier was his friend and prayer mate. It is quite illuminating. It also briefly mentions the Muslim community in Fort Hood, that seems prosperous, integrated and non-lunatic.
Molly, it is entirely possible that he was irrationally and unfairly discriminated against for being a Muslim, but from the account above, I'm pretty sure he was rightly despised for being a lunatic and an asshole. I'm also pretty sure he would be unable to tell one from the other.
I've said this before, but islamists and islamophobes are in almost perfect agreement as to what Islam 'really is'. They just disagree as to whether it is a good or a bad thing.
'Outside a Manhattan mosque where the imam preaches against terrorism, the brothers of the "Revolution Muslim" are spreading a different message.
Protected by the Constitution of the country they detest, radical Muslim converts like Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified. In their thinking, so were the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States -- and so are attacks on almost any American.
"Americans will always be a target -- and a legitimate target -- until America changes its nature in the international arena," Mohammed said in an interview to air on tonight's "AC 360."
Al-Khattab and Mohammed consider al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden their model.
"I love him like I can't begin to tell you, because he doesn't seem to have done anything wrong from the sharia," al-Khattab said, referring to Islamic law. "If you're asking me if I love him as a Muslim, I love him more than I love myself."
...Al-Khattab calls President Obama "a murderer, a tyrant, a scumbag," and says he wouldn't "shed a tear" if Obama were killed. But he added, "Would I incite his murder? That's not what I teach."
Mohammed calls himself an American "by default" who identifies with Muslims. Al-Khattab, a Jew who lived in Israel before converting to Islam, says he "would like to see a mushroom cloud" over the Jewish state -- "but before that, I'd like to see the people guided, and I'd like them to go back to their original countries where they're from."
But federal agents are not only watching them, they're watching some of those who are listening.'
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05...sque/
index.html
Mojo, saw these losers on CNN. They called for a muslim caliphate from China to Rome. They also said that the Koran commands that they terrorize all nonmuslims (without regard to country.) What complete lunatics.
"Protected by the Constitution of the country they detest, radical Muslim converts like Yousef al-Khattab and Younes Abdullah Mohammed preach that the killing of U.S. troops overseas is justified. In their thinking, so were the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States -- and so are attacks on almost any American."
Yeah,but that's not Islam. I know,because I hear it from the experts every time a Muslim does the mass murder thing. Maybe it's Christianity or Hinduism. Or Scientologists on acid. But,it's certainly not Islam. If it were,experts would know.
If soldiers come to me and have problems fighting other Muslims, what do I tell them?
That, in many parts of the world, Muslims are happy to fight other Muslims.
If he hadn't been so radical,he would've seen it as a fight FOR Muslims,not against. We didn't just overthrow dictatorships in Afghanistan and Iraq. We also insisted on democracies in their place. Wahhabi's believe democracy is evil. Only a Wahabbi could see our roles in Iraq and Afghanistan as fighting against Muslims.
Mojo, I clicked on one of the links on the sidebar. These guys get it.
"Islam, in its present form, is not compatible with principles of freedom and democracy. Twenty-first century Muslims have two options: we can continue the barbaric policies of the seventh century perpetuated by Hassan al-Banna, Abdullah Azzam, Yassir Arafat, Ruhollah Khomeini, Osama bin Laden, Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, Hizballah, Hamas, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, etc., leading to a global war between Dar al-Islam (Islamic World) and Dar al-Harb (non-Islamic World), or we can reform Islam to keep our rich cultural heritage and to cleanse our religion from the reviled relics of the past. We, as Muslims who desire to live in harmony with people of other religions, agnostics, and atheists choose the latter option. We can no longer allow Islamic extremists to use our religion as a weapon. We must protect future generations of Muslims from being brainwashed by the Islamic radicals. If we do not stop the spread of Islamic fundamentalism, our children will become homicidal zombies."
http://www.reformislam.org/
Disconcerting article from Forbes by Tunku Varadarajan:
"Going postal" is a piquant American phrase that describes the phenomenon of violent rage in which a worker--archetypically a postal worker--"snaps" and guns down his colleagues.
As the enormity of the actions of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan sinks in, we must ask whether we are confronting a new phenomenon of violent rage, one we might dub--disconcertingly--"Going Muslim." This phrase would describe the turn of events where a seemingly integrated Muslim-American--a friendly donut vendor in New York, say, or an officer in the U.S. Army at Fort Hood--discards his apparent integration into American society and elects to vindicate his religion in an act of messianic violence against his fellow Americans.
That, in many parts of the world, Muslims are happy to fight other Muslims.
lol
"The U.S. Army is under fire as new reports about Fort Hood killer Maj. Nidal Hasan suggest that he was openly sympathetic to extremist Islamic beliefs. Colleagues say Hasan was given to "anti-American rants," attended a radical Wahhabi mosque in 2001, and gave a 2007 class lecture proposing that infidels (non-Muslims) should be beheaded."
http://www.theweek.com/article/
i...gs_at_Fort_Hood
Attended a "radical" Wahhabi mosque. LOL.
Mojo
Have a look at this lovely character :
Settler Rabbi publishes “The complete guide to killing non-Jews”
" There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”
“In religious law, we have found that non-Jews are generally suspected of shedding Jewish blood, and in war, this suspicion becomes a great deal stronger. One must consider killing even babies, who have not violated the seven Noahide laws, because of the future danger that will be caused if they are allowed to grow up to be as wicked as their parents.”
http://didiremez.wordpress.com/2...lling-non-jews/
And here in Haaretz:
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...es/
1126890.html
And if you think they're from some loony site check it out, they're from the very popular Maariv and Haaretz..
" There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”
and
"If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
WOW
"Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers. "
Crazy.
How many Rabbis are there like this that are completely insane?
What do you mean by WOW and Crazy Mojo? It's the same shit we hear every day out of Saudi Arabia and "radical" Wahhabi mosques in the US. I've always said some crazy ass Jew will suicide bomb Mecca with a nuke some day. Dolly will split a gut over that.
Is AA still renditioning in Syria?
Brig. Gen. Mustafa Kamal Shibeeb was taken into custody last week in connection with the deaths of five known members of the group Al Qaeda in Iraq who were killed in 2007 in Baghdad's Dora neighborhood, where Shibeeb commanded paramilitary fighters better known as the Awakening.
http://www.latimes.com/news/
nati...0,1254557.story
What the hell? I thought it was their job to kill Al Qaeda assholes.
U.S.-Born Yemen-Based Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki on His CA-Hosted Website: Fort Hood Shooter 'Nidal Hassan Is A Hero'
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestn...cgi?
ID=SD263809
Egyptian Cleric Amin Al-Ansari – Hatred of Jews is Prevalent in Sports and in the Animal Kingdom: "'Judgment Day Will Not Come Before the Muslims Fight the Jews and Kill Them'; The Muslims Will Kill the Jews – Be Patient"
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestn...cgi?
ID=SD263509
"Footage showing Arab kissing camel and camel trying to bite Jewish man"
Yeah,that could prove camels don't like Jews. Or that this particular camel was monogamous. I suspect the footage was censored.
"Obama Honors 13 Fort Hood Victims: President denounces 'twisted logic' of tragedy, says Legacy of the Fallen rests in U.S.'s Security, Freedom" at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...ent;
cbsCarousel
The jews enjoy saying that their soldiers are "kidnapped," rather than captured.
Even though "kidnapped" is a term used for civilians, the jews use it in military discourse, for propaganda purposes.
And, continuing in this tradition, ČMARII informs us that U.S. military people were "murdered" (lol)
You know how Borat asks the car dealer: "If I hit a group of Gypsies with this car, will there be much damage to the car?"
That basically sums up U.S. foreign policy: they send their idiots to kill and pillage,
and then they insist the biggest problem is: injury sustained by these armor-clad morons; while they were in the process of mowing down millions of Third World villagers over invisible WMD
Now they want us to feel sorry for some Crusader scum at a military base.
What if some of these 13 have killed 26 or 52 people during their tour?
This guy Nidhal had to listen to stories of their atrocities.
From the Onion:
'Following Army psychologist Nidal Malik Hasan's shooting rampage on the Fort Hood military base last week that left 13 people dead and 30 others injured, fellow Muslims across the nation sent him a message today, saying "thanks a fucking bunch, asshole," to the 39-year-old killer. "Hey, great, eight years of progress right down the shitter," St. Cloud, MN resident Zahida Naseem said at one of dozens of impromptu rallies held nationwide. "And you just had to scream 'Allahu Akbar' while you did it, didn't you? May as well have put on a turban and rode a fucking camel right through the army base, you dick. Thanks for making the foreseeable future a living hell for normal, peace-loving Muslims in this country. Really appreciate it!" American Sikhs are also reportedly enraged with Hasan, and an official statement from the National Sikh Heritage Center read, in part, "look, we got nothing to do with that guy." '
Dolly;
If you hate the Crusaders so much then put your money where your mouth is. Boycott all Crusader products.
You can start with your computer.
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