Mojo,
Thanks for that clip. Very interesting. It was great to have Samir's commentrary as they re-created the event in which he was a key player. It's stunning to think that they were standing right on top of Saddam's bunker and very nearly missed finding him. It was funny when Saddam reached out one hand at a time and Samir had to tell him to show BOTH hands at the same time.
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I wish I was there!
Mojo,
I'll never forget that day.
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“The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them. This is the real moral behind Israel’s Torah and we must not feel guilty due to foreign morals,” he was quoted as saying by the Hebrew newspaper Ma’ariv in 2004.
“A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail.”
Lior is not a marginal figure in the Zionist religious establishment.
I asked Rabbi Menachem Froman, who himself has taught at Merkaz Harav, about Lior’s religious credentials and he told me that the man “is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah.”
Earlier this year, Rabbi David Batsri told followers that “it is impossible to mix the pure with the impure. They (the Arabs) are a blight, a devil, a disaster. The Arabs are donkeys, and we have to ask ourselves why God didn’t create them to walk on all four. Well, the answer is that they are needed to build and clean. They don’t have any place in our school.”
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/...W5v2XBQWQPPU%
3d
Established in honor of Rabbi Abraham Kook, Israel’s first rabbi, the center, which is actually a religious college, teaches students that God Almighty created the entire universe for the sake of “the Jew,” and that all non-Jews ought to be slaves laboring for the “chosen people.”
Sometimes, what's good for the Jew is good for the Iraqi.
I read that the Iraqi parliament is supposed to reconsider a new elections law today. If anyone sees any reports on it, please post links.
If Saddam had gone into hiding with Al-Douri,we'd probably still be looking for him.
"Saddam Hussein's former deputy predicted that US troops will leave Iraq by the end of 2008, according to an audio recording broadcast by the Dubai-based television network, Al-Arabiya."
http://ukpress.google.com/
articl...h9aUbFyBSbG7wUQ
The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.
George Orwell
English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 - 1950)
I think Al-Douri might be right about combat troops being out by the end of the year. I can't see Parliament passing anything between now and then. Maybe that's why Iraq put in for the big arms purchases last week.
"The list of items requested by Iraq is long but to name a few, it includes 24 armed helicopters, hellfire missiles, hundreds of various vehicles (engineering, transportation, light armored vehicles and evacuation) 1,200 mortar systems, machineguns of various calibers, radio systems, anti-tank systems, 6 C-130J aircraft and above all, 140 M1A1 Abrams tanks."
http://
iraqthemodel.blogspot.com...el_archive.html
"The Iraqi military announced it captured 265 suspected al Qaeda fighters during operations from July 29 through Aug. 2. Five members of al Qaeda's provincial shura, or executive council, were captured during this timeframe.
Iraqi troops captured Qussai Ali Khalaf, the leader of al Qaeda's Islamic State in Iraq in Diyala province; Adnan Gumer Mohammed, the provincial "judge"; Ahmed Quasim Jabbar the provincial military commander; Abu Anas al Baghdadi, "a top al-Qaeda operative in Diyala"; Basem al Safaah, who led sectarian attacks against Shia; and Antisar Khudair a woman who recruited female suicide bombers. Al Qaeda has stepped up female suicide attacks in an effort to bypass increased security."
http://www.longwarjournal.org/
ar..._375_suspec.php
"The Mahdi Army's makeover is at least partly a reaction to the loss of popular support. Previously, many Iraqis blamed the U.S. and the Iraqi government for fighting that erupted with the militia, but in the most recent battles that began in March, many residents turned against the militia because they were fed up with its criminal and violent activities, including kidnapping and smuggling."
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...p_us_whats_news
Let us do a province by province analysis in Iraq:
All 10 PIC provinces are operational overwatch or strategic overwatch.
Strategic Overwatch: Wasit, Sulamaniya, Dahuk, Najaf
Operational Overwatch but near Strategic overwatch: Karbala
Operational Overwatch: Quadisiyah and the four sourthern provinces
NON PIC:
Technical and de jure tactical overwatch but de facto PIC and operational overwatch:
-At Tamin (Kirkuk)
-Al Anbar (Ramadi/Falluja
{politics is the only obstacle to PIC for these two provinces}
Tactical Overwatch but near strategic overwatch:
-Babil (weeks away from PIC)
-Wassit (weeks away from PIC)
-Ninevah (a few months from PIC)
Tactical overwatch:
-Diyala
-the large majority of Baghdad and Salahadin province
Partnership:
-Baghdad {because of ISF diversion to elsewhere in the country}
-Salahadin {because of ISF diversion to elsewhere in the country}
Baghdad and Salahadin complete their transition to tactical overwatch in 5 months, and PIC/operational overwatch in 8 months.
8 months from now, all of Iraq will be PIC and operational or strategic overwatch under stay the course.
All of Iraq is planned to be strategic overwatch two years from now. (with the exception of operational overwatch for tactical air support, the Iraqi air force, maintenance of a minority of new weapons platforms, and possibly medivac.)
This is the current plan. Marion, please present your plan. Your own Khamenei's Iraqi friends and partners all call for at best a timetable based on a timetable for the ISF. Even Khamenei himself doesn't disagree with this. His representatives have called for a time table even if it isn't short. Their de facto position is a long timetable based on ISF capabilities.
Marion favors a rapid transition of each province to strategic overwatch but presents no plan to achieve it. She reminds me of Muqtada who rails against occupation, demands a timetable for withdrawal linked to a timetable for training and equipping the ISF; while simultaneously angrily demanding much more MNF training and equipping for the ISF.
Marion, is this your position?
" hmmm... " who goes by many names, is this your position?
Mojo, our mutual friend "Hmmm" referenced a post by Angry Arab:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...?
src=hsr#299359
I noticed that Angry Arab couldn't help but splurt out a low blow slander against the ISF.
What is it with so many non Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Are they all anti-Iraqi racists? Why do they hate the Iraqi army so much? Are they afraid of the IA? Jealous? Are they jealous that their country's army is not as high quality as the Iraqi army? Are they jealous that they don't measure up personally against the men of the Iraqi army? Does the thought that real men serve in the Iraqi army intimidate them?
Iraq Wants Withdrawal Timetable In U.S. Pact
Speaking to reporters in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said his government was "IMPATIENTLY WAITING" for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8070801311.html
"If the occupation forces leave today, the situation will improve tomorrow for two reasons," said Nasar al-Rubaie, a senior Sadrist member of parliament. "The first is that the occupation is like a magnet for terrorism."
said Nasar al-Rubaie, a senior Sadrist member of parliament
:D
Hmmm, Mojo's Dad likes Rubaie. Rubaie is talking about US troops leaving by 2011 or 2012.
Maliki is talking about US combat troops leaving by the end of 2010.
Both Rubaie and Maliki want a long term commitment to train and equip the ISF.
Why do you oppose the US training the ISF?
Do you realize that the commanding general of the Indian airforce was a British officer until 8 years after India's independence?
Why are Iraqis and their army held to a higher standard than everyone else in the world?
hmmm sounds familar. Could he be Angry Arab? or maybe Layla Anwar?
Israeli actor, Yigal Naor, stars as Saddam in BBC/HBO mini-series, "House of Saddam" which premiered in Britain last Wednesday. Several other Israeli actors including Sasson Gabai, Uri Gavriel and Makram Khouri also have roles in this series which has gathered mostly good reviews. Read the whole story at http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3577744,00.html
Have to say that group photo from the series of Saddam and his family has me humming the theme from "The Godfather"!
"All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. "
George Orwell
Hmmm, I post quotes.
[anand] "What is it with so many non Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Are they all anti-Iraqi racists?"
What is it with a particular non-Iraqi Hindu Indian/American? Does he have some strange need to validate himself through the men of Iraq? Is he inadequate?
What is it with a particular non-Iraqi Hindu Indian/American? Does he have some strange need to validate himself through the men of Iraq? Is he inadequate?
Interesting question, whitey. I bet you've felt pretty emasculated since the darkies took over down there in South Africa, no?
Craig, someone is devastated that the Iraqi army defeated the Sunni Jarab 6arab Ba3this and Takfiris. Someone is inconsolable that the Iraqi army defeated their precious "resistance."
Bruno
Why, Craig, I'm sure that SA whites don't feel nearly as emasculated as US Marines, who got their balls blown off (literally) in Lebanon. What a pity that the mighty marines are reduced to paying Iraqis not to hurt them in Iraq.
Gee, it must suck to cough up cash every month to a bunch of jihadis, right?
Sometimes I wonder why Bruno does not simply choke on his own bile.
"Gee, it must suck to cough up cash every month to a bunch of jihadis, right?" -Bruno
No, not at all. America is rich. Marines in the field are expensive. Paying Iraqis to defend themselves is cheap.
And the lives saved are invaluable.
God, Bruno is such a low-life.
Alton,
naw,he is a high life 
Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological anti-Americanism. His virulent hatred of the United States is attested each day in the Iraqi blogosphere (I guess the Afrikaner thinks that we're a mongrel nation, as Hitler did). With the triumph of the Americans in Iraq, after five years of tough choices, dark days, and hard fighting, Bruno has now begun to retreat to fantasyland. Today, at Zeyad's, he was reduced to throwing quotation marks around an accident in Iraq in which two American soldiers died.
[Bruno] 2 US soldiers killed in "vehicular accidents"
For close to three weeks in a row Bruno woke up every day and the first thing he did was check to see if any Americans had died in Iraq. But damn! Not a one. One can only imagine how pissed off he was. And now he's stooping to suggesting that non-hostile deaths in Iraq were possibly hostile -- fingers crossed. It doesn't get more pathetic than that, people. Of course, he'll never mention Operation Iraqi Freedom (21 days from half a world away), Fallujah II (total defeat for the jihadis), or how Petraeus flipped Anbar and got the Iraqi army to join him in defeating Muqtada's Mahdi militia. Believe it or not, Bruno is still cheerleading for Muqty (you know, the slime-toothed fatso sitting in Qom).
Meanwhile, Lee C. is ripping Bruno a new one that is large enough to allow the passage of a Brinks truck.
[Lee C.] I'm curious Bruno. You white folks used to have the upper hand there in South Africa, but now you can't even get internet at home. You even got electricity? You got running water? After being among the elite 5%, after generations of privilege, advantaged by virtue or your race, how is it that you can't afford internet? Your daddy a drunk or a gambler or something? Blow the family fortune?
That's pretty funny. Good thing the Jo-burg public library has an internet connection, or stumblebum Bruno wouldn't be able to rail against the Americans.
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Looks like I got you pretty good with that one, Bruno :D
Muhannad,
What is the sound of one Iraqi clapping?
I'm looking forward to when the Discovery Channel has a reenactment of Satan greeting Grand Ayatollah Sistani, the Hakims, the Sadrs, 3/4s of the present Iraqi Shia leadership and their militias and their death squads, along with their Sunni counterparts in terrorism and insurgency.
And a great big hello to Steven Vincent, who is still dead, but still remembered after three years. Vincent is working on a sequel to In the Red Zone, called, From Sunni Supremacism to Shia Theocracy, and all for less than Three Trillion Dollars.
"Satan greeting Grand Ayatollah Sistani"
What is that suppose to mean?
"The next US president now has his exit ticket from Iraq. A new report shows that high oil prices are enabling the Iraqi Government to store up a huge budget surplus, but that it is spending US money on reconstruction far faster than its own."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle4472530.ece
"Al-Harithi's group recently succeeded in delaying the consummation of the marriage of a 10-year-old girl after getting reports from medical centers in Hail that she and a man in his 60s had showed up for the mandatory prenuptial medical tests."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26042107/
I didn't know KSA had a higher divorce rate than the USA. Imagine the divorce rate if women had any rights.
"Vincent is working on a sequel to In the Red Zone, called, From Sunni Supremacism to Shia Theocracy, and all for less than Three Trillion Dollars"
Mister Ghost, the Shia have always been in the middle in terms of supporting the new Iraq (according to polls), the most supportive attitudes come from the Kurds. How many Shia theocracies do you think that holds true for?
Mojo, consider a post on Irshad Manji's must read about why the muslim world "loves" America:
{I have been a huge fan of hers ever since she published her first book.}
http://www.irshadmanji.com/im-th...-speak-its-
name
http://www.irshadmanji.com/im-to...k-to-
understand
I agree with Irshad. Again, everyone should read this.
Sixty three years ago, 0.6 grams of enriched Uranium, light as a feather, was converted in to pure energy following Einstein's famous formula E = mc^2. That tremendous energy stored in that meager mass was enough to eliminate an entire city and tens of thousands of lives in a few blinks of a human eye.
Please then, take time tonight to reflect on what Einstein himself had to say about this turning point for humanity.
"The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one." - Albert Einstein
"Mohannad" and "Noor" are now the hottest babies' names in Saudi – even though the religious establishment has condemned the show. A top Saudi cleric forbade viewers from watching the "malicious" soap operas that "corrupt and spread vice" and has also declared that any TV station airing them is against God. This has put Saudi-owned Middle East Broadcasting Company (MBC), which airs the show three times a day, at loggerheads with Saudi religious leaders.
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/a...31/
1236952.aspx
K,
before i read your link...Did
Einstein say anything about
Insane Man?
Does it state that Iran still
thinks the Holocast was false?
Don't get me wrong...
He was a brilliant man in many
ways
Again Mojo,thanks for the video!!
Just so ya know bud,i had a heated
against my sister-in-laws brother
in law,at the end of a funeral trip
to Cheyenne about a week and a half
ago...
I had no idea this person was sooooo
far to the left...
first line of his...
Bush staged 9-11....
About a half hour later,he gave
up....
it started with me playing
Alan Jackson's toon...
Where were you when then the world
stopped turning.....on that sept.day...
Keep up the good word Mojo!
Andrea,
Einstein had very little to say about Iran, that is, according to Firoozeh Dumas in her wonderful book "Funny in Farsi". I don't have the quote in front of me but she claims he said that all he knew about Persia was that they had nice rugs and cats.
K,
Well i guess then i am blessed in
some ways...i have 2 cats,both black..
and a Persian huge rug i got when
my father passed on, in 1980,that was in our house years before that..
Its a majic carpet ride,some bad,but
alot of good. About 11 by 16 feet..
An ablong piece of work,fringe at either end,have to be carefull when
i vacum at each end
Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism.
His insane adulation of the United States is attested each day in the Iraqi blogosphere (I guess the mongrel thinks that he has a right to dictate to others how they should live and what they should think, simply because he is a American with Nazi roots). Despite the massive majority of Iraqis (99%) rejecting permanent occupation - the US aim - and 70-80% rejecting the current occupation, and the enormous struggle that Iraqis have undergone to rid themselves of the pestilential invader, he still imagines that America is welcomed there and that Americans should tell Iraqis how to think.
Jeffrey is being reduced to insanity and pretty much MAKING SHIT UP by the stress this has put on him. For example, he regularly states that I'm Afrikaans, white and either unemployed or in prison. All claims for which he has ZERO actual evidence.
How sad is it that his vitriolic anger can only be channelled by schizophrenic imaginings and stalking of people. Of course, Jeffrey has been warned off stalking other people, and indeed, appears to have undergone psychiatric counselling to overcome his problems. How sad is that? How credible IS this confused clown?
Of course, he'll never admit that Iraqis want Americans to leave Iraq, or that the American Occupation has been an UTTER FAILURE in almost every aspect but one: they are still there. He won't mention the LIES that the White House told about Iraq, be it the mythical WMD program or the spurious Al Qaeda connections, which, we learn lately through Suskind, the US was actually considering fabricating evidence for.
He won't mention the idiotic economic policies the US imposed, reducing Iraqis to utter poverty.
He won't mention the American attempts to abolish the basic food ration.
He won't mention the HIDING that US troops got, so much so that the US is reduced to paying TRIBUTE to the assorted sheikhs and resistance organisations in western Iraq.
He won't mention the DEATH SQUADS that the US set up and supported.
He won't mention that the moronic Neocon program to use Najaf to subvert Qom in fact backfired spectacularly and virtually handed the country to Iranian - founded parties.
No, he won't mention any of that because it would interfere with his mental image of the great white massah bringing civilisation back to the cradle of civilisation.
What a freak.
"Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism."
should, of course, be:
"Jeffrey wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism. "
The disconnect was pretty funny, though.
No, he won't mention any of that because it would interfere with his mental image of the great white massah bringing civilisation back to the cradle of civilisation
He won't mention it because it's bullshit propaganda you get from sites like antiwar.com and drink like milk from your mother's tits.
Here's what a minister of Iraq's elected government thinks of the "American occupiers".
WASHINGTON, July 29, 2008 – Iraq’s interior minister thanked U.S. servicemembers and their families for their sacrifices on behalf of his country during a visit with wounded U.S. troops at Walter Reed Army Medical Center here today.
Through an interpreter, Jawad al-Bulani told reporters that he wanted to convey his country’s “gratitude and appreciation for the sacrifices made by these great warrior-soldiers, in the freeing of the Iraqi people and in helping us in Iraq to recover from tyranny and dictatorship.”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/...e.aspx?
id=50635
[luno] "Iraq’s interior minister thanked U.S. servicemembers and their families for their sacrifices on behalf of his country"
He's a PUPPET, you dumbfuck.
What ELSE was he going to say?
He's a PUPPET, you dumbfuck.
He was elected by the Iraqi people in free elections, buttwipe, so I'll take his opinion above yours.
Bruno,
The people you backed over the last five years in Iraq -- first the so-called Sunni insurgents and their AQI "friends," and then Muqty's Mahdi militia -- have all FOLDED. That's why you're pissed off. The US not only cleaned up Iraq's regular army in 21 days, but after some very tough times succeeded in conducting a very successful counter-insurgency.
Hey, let's talk Olympics, okay? Hm. Let's see. Since the beginning of the Olympics, how many medals have the Americans won?
United States:
GOLD: 897
SILVER: 693.5
BRONZE: 606.5
total: 2197
No other country even comes close.
South Africa:
GOLD: 20
SILVER: 23
BRONZE: 26
total: 69
Holy Hegemony, Batman! I guess the Afrikaners should have been focusing more on sports and less on how to keep the majority Black South Africans (through Apartheid) second-class citizens. Ya think?
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Continuing on with the debate this lone retard was having with the geniuses:
"Meanwhile, I will pressure the powers that be to make sure that Iran never produces more than 50 kg of highly enriched Uranium as long as they are ruled by people who listen to "god" more than to their own people. "--K
My response:
"A majority of Iranian people want nuclear energy K....so who is not listening to who?" -Marion
(K is irritated with my grammar errors, but does a lone retard really have time to use perfect grammar when she is debating a gang of geniuses?)
K's response:
"No Marion. You just don't know that. Polls are illegal in Iran. Free speech is illegal in Iran. You have no idea what the "majority of Iranian people want". Also, I don't care. They majority of Iranians, like you, probably don't realize that their religious rulers, who do not have majority popular support, can make a bomb with the same technology. They have been lied to, just like you."--K
As if George Bush, his administration, and our mainstream media has never lied to the American people numerous times.... Didn't we start the war on Iraq based on lies....?
You might be interested in reading the following Time's report:
Why Iran Won't Budge on Nukes
"When U.S. officials appeal to the Iranian people over the heads of its regime, they like to assume that Tehran's defiance on the nuclear issue reflects only the extremist position of an unrepresentative revolutionary leadership. Plainly, they haven't met Dr. Akbar Etemad, who ran the nuclear program of the Shah's regime, which was overthrown in the Islamic Revolution of 1979. The scientist who first launched Iran's nuclear technology program under a U.S.-backed regime in 1974 today urges the regime that stripped him of his job to reject any international demand that it halt uranium enrichment.
Dr. Etemad told an academic conference in Toronto last weekend, "Iran already stopped nuclear enrichment at the behest of Europe for more than a year [a reference to Tehran's suspension of enrichment between late 2003 and mid-2005, to allow negotiations with the European Union]. And what happened? Nothing......"
To be continued...
"....Iran delivered its response to the latest Western offer on the nuclear issue to E.U. officials in Brussels on Tuesday, and reportedly avoided any mention of a freeze on uranium enrichment. Britain, France and the U.S. have made clear that the consequence of Iran turning down the current offer will be a push for further U.N. sanctions against Tehran.
In an interview with TIME, the Swiss-educated scientist who lives in Paris and heads a group of prominent Iranian exiles that lobby against a military attack on Iran, said the solution to the nuclear standoff lay in re-establishing relations between Washington and Tehran. Although a senior U.S. diplomat joined the European-led delegation that met with Iranian officials in Geneva recently, Iran's response to the nuclear proposal may make it difficult for the Bush Administration to create a diplomatic opening.
Surprising as it may be to hear a member of the Shah's deposed regime support the stance of the Islamic Republic in a confrontation with the West, there is widespread concern among Iran experts that the current Western strategy of demanding that Iran forego the right to enrich uranium has created a diplomatic dead end...."
To be continued....
"....Writing in the International Herald Tribune last week, Trita Parsi, President of the National Iranian American Council, and analyst Anatol Lieven, argued that insisting Iran give up its right to any uranium enrichment is untenable, and instead suggested that the Western powers base their demands on the rights and limitations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty — which would allow the international community "to place a verifiable cap on Iranian enrichment and other nuclear capabilities well short of weaponization."
Dr. Etemad agrees that the NPT, which governs the peaceful pursuit of nuclear energy under the supervision of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency, holds the key. "The Americans, when they need the NPT, they talk about it; when they don't need it, they throw it away. You don't do that with an international treaty," he said. Iran is a signatory to the NPT, on the basis of which it is being held accountable by the United Nations Security Council over transparency issues. But the NPT allows signatories the right to enrich uranium, under IAEA supervision, for peaceful purposes. The U.S. and its allies fear that even building a peaceful enrichment capability would allow Iran to covertly produce weapons-grade materiel, and have argued that Tehran's violations of transparency and disclosure requirements of the NPT should mean it has forfeited its right to enrich uranium. But that argument has so far not been embraced by the U.N. or the IAEA, which reports there is "no evidence that Iran was working actively to build nuclear weapons."
Even though Iran's known uranium enrichment activities occur under the scrutiny of IAEA inspectors, the U.S. and its European allies and Israel suspect Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons capability. The charge infuriates Dr. Etemad. "With the Shah, we also came to the conclusion that Iran was in great need of nuclear energy because our population was steadily growing and our gas and oil will run out. That's why even though I was in the old regime, I should be fair to the new regime because they are following the same line. To speak frankly, with its bellicose behavior the West is pushing Iran towards nuclear weapons, even if they don't want them now."...."
To be continued....
"....The latest proposal from the Western powers hoped to break the deadlock by retreating from its demand that Iran shut down its enrichment activities as a precondition for talks. Instead, the new proposal suggests that Iran simply refrain from expanding its current enrichment program for six weeks, during which time the U.N. Security Council would refrain from imposing new sanctions. And in that "freeze-for-freeze" interim, the two sides would negotiate a more comprehensive deal. But there's no sign thus far that Tehran is prepared to accept even that proposal.
"The Europeans say stop enrichment and we'll talk, but the Iranians already did that and nothing happened," said Dr. Etemad. "At the time of the Shah, we signed contracts with both France and Germany and even then they didn't deliver. If I were in the current regime, I wouldn't trust the West. They don't even give Iran civilian airplane parts, which is costing hundreds of lives; why should they believe that they will give them enriched uranium?" If that's the position of a liberal critic of the regime, it's likely that the stance of the current Iranian leadership on the nuclear issue enjoys widespread support among Iranians.
To be sure, many Iranians also fear the consequences of continued defiance. "What if this hard line means war?" asked daytime-mechanic, nighttime-taxi driver Bahram, 24, in Tehran recently, echoing concerns heard from a number of ordinary Iranians.
"For years now, they are threatening us with an attack," Dr. Etemad said, adding, "This is humiliating. We are not ants," referring to an Esquire interview with Admiral William Fallon about Iran back in March, in which he is reported to have said, "These guys are ants. When the time comes, you crush them."
"If you're weak, they attack you," says the scientist. "If you're not weak, they won't attack you. We have to be a strong country and end these humiliating threats. And being strong means not listening to the foreigners." ".
http://www.time.com/time/world/
a...1829750,00.html
[luno] "He was elected by the Iraqi people in free elections, buttwipe"
Wrong, dickwad. The actual choice was VETOED by GWB. So much for a free democracy.
[jeffrey] "Hey, let's talk Olympics, okay?"
WTF Jeffrey is trying to prove here, nobody knows. What, that America deserves to rule the world because some yank managed to run fast? Sure, whatever.
Have another scotch. Yes, I know you've finished the first bottle, but crack open another, Okay? You know you want to.
Here's some Olympic news for the Noo Yawk prof:
"Iraq's successful Olympic football team has launched an outspoken attack on US President George W Bush. Midfielder Salih Sadir said the team - which won its group stage in Greece - was angry it had been used in Mr Bush's re-election campaign ads.
One accused the US leader of committing "many crimes", and another said he would be fighting US troops if not for Athens.
Their comments were made in a US Sports Illustrated magazine interview.
Salih Sadir said he was angry at Mr Bush's campaign adverts showing pictures of the Afghan and Iraqi flags with the words: "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations - and two fewer terrorist regimes".
"Iraq as a team does not want Mr Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," said the Iraqi player.
"He can find another way to advertise himself."
He called for US troops to be withdrawn from Iraq. "We don't wish for the presence of the Americans in our country. We want them to go away."
Another star player, 22-year-old Ahmed Manajid, asked: "How will [Mr Bush] meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women? He has committed so many crimes."
'Best people'
Mr Manajid, from Falluja - a hotbed of armed opposition to the US-led occupation in Iraq - said if he was not playing football "for sure" he would be fighting as part of the resistance.
"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" he asked.
"Everyone [in Falluja] has been labelled a terrorist. These are all lies. Falluja people are some of the best people in Iraq." "
http://www.theinsider.org/news/a...icle.asp?
id=559
Bruno,
That article is from 2004. What the hell, man. You could at least TRY to stay current, right?
By the way, since the Olympics began, here is Iraq's medal total:
Iraq:
GOLD: 0
SILVER: 0
BRONZE: 1
total: 1
That's not very good, of course. When Saddam talked about "Arab champions," he wasn't referring to the realm of sports, it seems. And if he were referring to military prowess, well, that certainly didn't happen either. In Gulf War I Iraqi soldiers were surrendering to Western journalists. Operation Iraqi Freedom ended in 21 days. The world was entertained -- at the expense of Iraqi honor -- by Baghdad Bob. That certainly didn't help the image of the Iraqi male around the world. And then we had Saddam shouting "Don't shoot, don't shoot" from his spiderhole. The entire Arab world cringed at that. Saddam's "Arab Lion" turned out to be a sheep in lion's clothing (heh heh).
Well, there are plenty of real Iraqis that demand respect, both in Iraq and here in the States, so let's hope the new Iraq will be more successful in future Olympics.
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"Double standard? Yes, I have a double standard. One standard is for free democratic allies of my nation."--K
The Palestinian's treatment by the Israelis would call Israel's standards into question as being a free Democratic nation....And what about all of the other so-called moderate by the U.S. Arab dictatorship nations in the region that are now looking into developing Nuclear energy?
"... The other standard is for theocratic dictatorships hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance which has been proven to bring prosperity to people who adopt it."--K
So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K? And what has it physically done thus far to provide proofs for these claims of yours....Are there Iranian ships and warplanes outside U.S. borders? Has Iran attacked and occupied a neighboring country to the U.S. while threatening to overthrow the U.S. government?
Oh but isn't that what we have been doing in the Middle East region...?
In reality it is the other way around, our country and/or Israel is hell bent on destroying Iran and its system of governance, wouldn't you agree K?
Bruno have you noticed how our opponents here tend to resort to off the wall accusations, labeling, name calling, and hyperbole in the attempt to undermine our arguments?
Some of them have called me antisemitic, retarded, a drug abuser, and even implied I am some kind of a blind religious nut....While they appear to think they are geniuses, yet they rely on each other and even need each other to debate with me ...LOL!
Considering how things are here, I think I would rather be a retard with a low IQ than a genius with a high IQ....
That article is from 2004. What the hell, man. You could at least TRY to stay current, right?
Bruno doesn't like the current news in Iraq though. The golden days for him in Iraq were 2 or 3 years ago. He's weird that way.
Considering how things are here, I think I would rather be a retard with a low IQ than a genius with a high IQ....
It's nice that you are so comfortable with your situation, Marion. I've heard before that stupid people are generally happier than smart people. Intelligent people tend to be worriers. And they do a lot of that inconvenient "thinking".
Marion, you are looking for sympathy from BRUNO about people calling you names!? :P
He's one of the most abusive people on the internet. Even worse than me!
Marion, I never made personal attacks on you until you started in on me. Don't start crying now. As for the "off the wall accusations" I proved one (as you demanded I should) last night. You ignored me. *shrug*
So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K?
Marion, you've never actually studied Khomeini's revolutionary ideology have you? This just keeps getting better and better!
When are you going to admit everything you know about Iran comes from Huffington post?
Craig,
Bruno doesn't like the current news in Iraq though. The golden days for him in Iraq were 2 or 3 years ago. He's weird that way.
Okay, that really got me laughing. Thanks, Craig. Bruno's tactical retreat is something to behold. And it's only going to get funnier as he flails around looking for a way to forget another American victory.
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Some recent examples of U.S. officials lying to the American people which helped lead to the war on Iraq:
Former FBI Official: After 9/11, White House Told FBI To Blame Anthrax Attacks On Al Qaeda
"Last week, Bruce Ivins, a government scientist who researched anthrax and was expected to be charged in connection with the 2001 attacks, reportedly committed suicide. As Glenn Greenwald has noted, President Bush and his administration initially attempted to link the anthrax attacks to Iraq.
The New York Daily News has a new twist in the administration’s attempt to peg the anthrax attacks to its own bellicose aims. Immediately after 9/11, the Daily News reports, “White House officials repeatedly pressed FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove it was a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda,” according to a former FBI official:
After the Oct. 5, 2001, death from anthrax exposure of Sun photo editor Robert Stevens, Mueller was “beaten up” during President Bush’s morning intelligence briefings for not producing proof the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide.
“They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East,” the retired senior FBI official told The News....."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08...-qaeda-anthrax/
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White House Denies Author's Accusations of Document Forgery
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 6, 2008; A02
The Bush administration joined former top CIA officials in denouncing a new book's assertion that White House officials ordered the forgery of Iraqi documents to suggest a link between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the lead hijacker in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The claim was made by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Ron Suskind, whose book "The Way of the World" also contends that the White House obtained compelling evidence in early 2003 that Iraq possessed no significant stocks of nuclear or biological weapons but decided to invade the country anyway....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0501750_pf.html
Of course the Bush administration would never lie, would it...?
"Marion, I never made personal attacks on you until you started in on me. Don't start crying now. As for the "off the wall accusations" I proved one (as you demanded I should) last night. You ignored me. *shrug*"--Craig
Did you really prove anything Craig...? And I started the personal attacks...? I do not think so...
So what was your accusing me of being an antisemite all about if it wasn't a personal attack...?
You really should go back and reread all of our exchanges Craig....
So where are all your proofs backing up your numerous allegations and insinuations against me before I started to personally attack you...?
Did you think you are now off the hook because you managed to think you diverted the conversation to me being a retard and a liar..?
"When are you going to admit everything you know about Iran comes from Huffington post?"--Craig
Actually what I know about Iran didn't come from the Huffington Post Craig, it comes from a variety of news sources and from Iranians and Shias I know who have visited and/or lived in Iran... ...I usually don't read the Huffington post....
[Marion] So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K?
[Craig] Marion, you've never actually studied Khomeini's revolutionary ideology have you?
I was going to bring up the "Death to America" rallies every friday for the last 30 years. But then,saying you want someone to die and wanting it are two different things. And I can't actually PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Iran WANTS America to die. Heck,it might even be haram to want 400M people to die....LOL.
This isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Iran is "hell-bent on destroying my country",mind you. Only the hidden Mahdi could provide that...to Marions satisfaction...and he's only communicating with Ahwannajihad at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h?
v=CUezKsBCRbk
Did you really prove anything Craig...?
So now we all see how pointless it is to answer your challenges, right?
And I started the personal attacks...?
Sure did! Implying your opponent has psychological problems is a particularly offensive personal attack, Marion.
I do not think so...
Are you claiming you think, now?
Got this off Iranian.com!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=DK9PxQj6aCY
You ever read Iranian.com, Marion? Or do you just listen to that one crazy Iranian you know, who "visited" Iran? Maybe he gets all his info off Huffington Post? :D
For the record,Walt Disney is a publicly owned company. Even Khaneini could buy shares if he liked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=4...feature=related
Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...seals-
like.html
Jewish Walt Disney company, Maury? A number of documentaries have come out that claimed that Walt Disney hated Jews... hmmm...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in2141735.shtml
Gabler addressed Disney's reputation as an anti-Semite, and he discussed how Disney reinvented recreation with Disneyland, though his true dream for Epcot was never realized.
Marion, I saw some of your Iranian friends seated in the front row of that class! Did you recognize them!?
Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War
If and when the US has formal talks with the IRI, we should send Dick Cheney as our negotiator! He shot a guy in the face once!
http://zaneirani.blogspot.com/20...icians-
for.html
Physicians for humanrights: "Doctor Arash Alaei and Doctor Kamiar Alaei are two Iranian physicians who have reportedly been detained in Iran by Iranian authorities. The physicians, who are brothers, were arrested at the end of June, 2008 and their current whereabouts are unknown. Physicians for Human Rights calls on the government of Iran to disclose their whereabouts, provide them access to lawyers and family, and either to charge them with an internationally recognized crime or release them immediately."
Is Sheema like your Iranian friend who visited Iran, Marion?
"Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War"
That's not what was said Marion. Not that I'd trust Hersch or his source...a FORMER intelligence official. How former we're never told. But,my guess is vintage 1970's. That's the last time anyone besides yourself or Bruno took Hersch seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=b...feature=related
World War 3 Is Upon Us. "Operation Brimstone" US Naval Nuclear Strike Force Has Been Deployed to Iran
World War III is upon us! I better get my rifle and go get in my bunker!
Marion, wasn't it YOUR folks who weer ridiculing US conservatives for worrying about World War II starting up? The dude in the vid "Marion fan" linked was claiming a US attack on Iran would provoke WWII as well. Such egotism. It really is just a fantasy that Iran will ever have the capability of starting a World War, isn't it Marion? Your fantasy? You think that'd be great, right?
WWII = WWIII in the previous comment! Sorry.
Bush gives pussy a really bad name
Here the Bush administration is hoist on its own petard. On the one hand, it wants "democracy" in Iraq. On the other hand, it wants to keep U.S. troops there indefinitely, using Iraq as a base from which the U.S. can dominate the region. But the Iraqi people want the American troops to go home, so "democracy" leads to an American withdrawal at Iraq’s demand.
One man could cut the knot and free both Iraq and America from its entanglements. Were Ayatollah Sistani to say what Mr. Maliki said, that Obama’s timetable for withdrawal is about right, no one could gainsay him. The Shiite Iraqi government dare not contradict him, nor could George W. Bush (or John McCain) without risking all-out war between American troops in Iraq and the Shiites.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...nd/
lind143.html
One man could cut the knot and free both Iraq and America from its entanglements. Were Ayatollah Sistani to say what Mr. Maliki said, that Obama’s timetable for withdrawal is about right, no one could gainsay him.
Everyone thinks Obama's timetable is about right, including me and probably including anand. What is your point?
Craig,are you the Anti-Maury?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...a/
iraq_us_bases
"Iraqis: Deal close on plan for US troops to leave"
Anand from Absurdistan, you should read the news before you make an ass out of yourself.
Marion, my best friend is Persian. He was born and lived in Iran most his life. He would despise you.
Craig,are you the Anti-Maury?
Nope! Are you the "Maury" Maury? How bout a little helps with these type in folks, Mojo? I don't mind if you announce where I'm posting from, everyone knows anyway
Yay! Go team go! Only 1500 attacks per month! Fantastic! If America was having 1500 attacks per month we'd all be celebrating in the street!
Yay! Go America go!
http://www.stripes.com/article.a...4&
article=56617
Overall, the number of roadside bombs that U.S. troops encounter is down more than 50 percent from its peak of between 2,800 and 3,000 per month, Metz said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=O...feature=related
I'm Anand from Absurdistan!
PakistanIndiafriendsforever!
Yayyyyyyyyy!Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
Missing the good old days, are we?
http://iranfreethedocs.org/
Marion, did you sign the petition yet?
"And I started the personal attacks...?"--Marion
"Sure did! Implying your opponent has psychological problems is a particularly offensive personal attack, Marion."---Craig
Obviously you didn't go back far enough to reread all of our posts Craig.....
And it is also obvious that when you read you either don't comprehend properly or you comprehend things in a biased way as you prefer to understand them...
Once again, I claimed you need counseling to recognize your own obvious faults and read from other sources of information besides the sources who feed into those faults of yours....
You are the one who claimed that I claimed you have psychological problems based on my suggesting you get counseling...
Do all people who get counseling necessarily have psychological problems Craig...?
But than again maybe you do have psychological problems since you like to keep bringing it up over and over again while ignoring the fact that you have been personally attacking me by calling me an antisemite from a long time ago...
"Marion, my best friend is Persian. He was born and lived in Iran most his life. He would despise you."--Aton the Sun God
Considering HE is YOUR FRIEND anton, I am not surprised or even disappointed....
What just happened? Evidence. A secret that has been judiciously kept for five years just spilled out. All of what follows is new, never reported in any way:
The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush — a man still carrying with $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush’s famous deck of wanted men — has been America’s secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, “resettled” Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money.
In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD — as Habbush had foretold — the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a “small team from the al Qaeda organization.”
The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists with Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting CIA from conduction disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil.
So, here we go again: the administration full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn’t remember any such thing — just like he couldn’t remember “slam dunk” — and reporters are scratching their heads. Everything in the book is on the record. Many sources. And so, we watch and wait….
Pulitzer Prize-winner Ron Suskind is the author of The Way of the World. See http://www.ronsuskind.com
Marion | 08.07.08 - 4:46 pm | #
Do you have any real friends?
Marion, you talk in circles just to try to throw people off the track when you say stupid stuff. We've all caught onto it.
Did you sign the petition or not, Marion?
Iraq and the United States are reported to be close to a deal where U.S. combat troops would be withdrawn from Iraq by end of 2010 with the rest of U.S. forces leaving by end of 2012. Read stories at http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...main/
index.html and at
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in4328195.shtml
“Neocon Flap Highlights Jewish Divide”
By Alan Hart
"That was the headline over a splendid piece of reporting for IPS (Inter Press Service) published on 30 July by Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe. They concluded that “new political space is being created for the public airing of more moderate views on Middle East policy.” If they are right, and I think they are, there is reason, at last, to be less than totally pessimistic about the prospects of finding a cure for the cancer at the heart of international affairs, the Palestine problem, before it consumes us all.
In the quotation above “more moderate views” is a euphemism for views other than those of the Zionist (not Jewish!) lobby, of which AIPAC is the most prominent public face. It was described by Luban and Lobe as “the powerful lobbying group whose hawkish right-wing leadership has often defied both the views of the broader U.S. .Jewish community and the policies of Israeli governments.” (In my two-volume book, Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, I quote Shimon Peres telling me way back in 1980, when he was the leader of the opposition Labour Party, that the lobby in America “is not an Israel lobby. It’s a Likud lobby and that’s my problem.”)
The excellent IPS article by Luban and Lobe is primarily a review of the controversy sparked by TIME columnist Joe Klein’s blogged statement that by pushing for war on Iraq and now for a “foolish assault on Iran”, Jewish neo-conversatives had caused the question of “divided loyalties” to be asked - because what Jewish neo-conservatives pushed and are pushing for is not in America’s own best interests. (As Mearsheimer and Walt argued in great detail).
Klein was accused by the usual cast of those who support Israel right or wrong of being anti-Semitic; but he refused to back down, accusing his accusers of using charges of anti-Semitism to silence his and other criticism of neo-conservative policies. Klein said those who called him anti-Semitic were wrong. What then was he? “I am anti neo-conversative,” he told Luban and Lobe....."
To finish reading this article go to:
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle20443.htm
Mossad assassinates Iraqi scientists in bomb blasts
CAIRO- "Israel is constantly seeking to weaken Arab countries on the scientific, technological and intellectual levels. It does this for the purpose of imposing its domination on them after it has failed through lies, in the past decades, to establish itself as the strongest, developed and most destructive state in the region.
Consequently it obstructs any Arab attempt to achieve development in the nuclear field by assassinating Arab scientists and specialists in the nuclear field.
After the US invasion in 2003, Mossad, the national intelligence agency of Israel, launched a massive campaign to eliminate Iraqi scientists in order to end the dream of Iraq becoming a developed nation. According to a British study, Iraq has the largest number of scientists in the world in relation to its population.
Not only did Israel target Iraqi scientists but it also assassinated a large number of Arab scientists. In 1952 the Egyptian atomic research scientist, Sameera Mousa, was assassinated in the US. The Egyptian atomic scientist, Yehya Al Mashad, was killed in 1980 in Paris, the Egyptian microwave scientist, Sayed Bdeer, was eliminated in his house in Alexandria in 1989 and the Egyptian atomic scientist, Sameer Najeeb, was killed in Detroit in 1967.
Israel also exerted pressure on developed western countries to bar Arab students from joining certain specialized institutions. Some countries prevent students from the third world from studying atomic and missile sciences....."
To read the rest of the article go to:
http://www.factjo.com/factjo_en/...ews.aspx?
id=837
Mossad kills 350 Iraqi scientists
"....According to a report, Mossad, in cooperation with the US occupation forces in Iraq, have killed 350 Iraqi nuclear scientists and more than 200 University professors.
The report, prepared by the US Secretary of State and referred to the US President George Bush, said that Mossad and commando groups had been active in Iraq since the invasion in 2003. They targeted Iraqi nuclear scientists after the US had failed to convince them to work for the US or move to the US.
Some of them were forced to work in public research centers in the US but the majority refused to work with American scientists in certain tests, the report added. Many of them fled to other countries.
The scientists who refused to leave Iraq were severely interrogated and were tortured. The report stated that Mossad saw that they had to be eliminated because they posed a threat to the future of Israel.
Mossad found that the best way to assassinate them is through the ongoing violence in Iraq. The report added that the Pentagon was also convinced that this was the best way and special Israeli commando groups were prepared to fulfill this task. The US team gave assistance to the Zionist troops and the team prepared the curriculum vitae of the scientists and provided access to them.
According to the report, the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists."
http://www.factjo.com/factjo_en/...ews.aspx?
id=837
No military, political or moral justification to initiate war with Iran
Declaration signed by over 200 Israeli academics and peace activists
Ad Hoc Group Against Israeli Attack on Iran
More than 100 hundred Israeli academicians and peace activists have signed the following declaration:
There is no military, political or moral justification to initiate war with Iran
A constant flow of information bears witness to the fact that the Israeli government is seriously considering attacking Iran, in order to disrupt its nuclear plans. We do not disregard irresponsible actions by the Iranian government - we also oppose atomic weapons in principle and support the elimination of all weapons of mass destruction from the region. However, it is clear that the main source of the immediate danger of a new, widespread war stems from the policies of the Israeli government and the flow of threats from it, backed by provocative military maneuvers.
After serious consideration, we reiterate our position that all the arguments for such an attack are without any security, political or moral justification. Israel might get caught up in an act of adventurism that could endanger our very existence, and this without any serious effort to exhaust the political and diplomatic alternatives to armed conflict.
We are not certain that such an attack will occur. But the very fact that it is being weighed as a reasonable option, makes it imperative that we warn and caution against the destructive results of an offensive strike against Iran.
Coordinating Group:
Prof. Gadi Algazi; Judy Blanc; Prof. Rachel Giora; Prof. Anat Matar; Prof. Adi Ophir; Prof. Yoav Peled; Reuven Kaminer, Prof. Haggai Ram; Prof. Yehuda Shenhav; Prof. Oren Yiftachel
(contact: reuven.kaminer@gmail.com )
Forgot to post source:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=9756
Marion, you are sick. I suggest you stop posting that kind of garbage. The government can't sue you for slander and defamation but private citizens certainly can. And I wouldn't put to much faith in your "anonymity".
Marion, your observations on the nature of these clowns is spot on. They're laughable. The biggest clown on the thread is Jeffrey, who brings up the Olypmics to prove ... something known only to him ... and cites every medal the US has ever won, THEN berates me for posting on-topic news from four years ago which shows that real Iraqis DO NOT appreciate being used as tools and stage props by that mad criminal GW Bush.
Nevertheless, your efforts here are commendable.
Tough guy Craig, trying to intimidate a woman.
Oooo.
We're all in awe of his might.
There's always the old "treason" thing, though! Marion: retarded traitor.
Anand in Absurdistan - great posts.
"Treason"?
Right.
Tough guy Craig, trying to intimidate a woman.
I'm trying to keep her out of prison, Bruno. She doesn't live in South Africa. She lives in the United States. And she's also a Muslim, with an Arab husband. She may not realize how much trouble she's getting herself into by quoting Jihadi websites, but I do.
And look at you with your non-comment about the way women are treated in South Africa, buddy... after all the accusations you made against everyone else?
"Treason"?
What would you call it, Bruno? lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife (treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petit treason). A person who commits treason is known as a traitor, turncoat, Judas or quisling.
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
That's a generic definition in wikipedia! I can provide the exact definition under US law too if it'll help you out, Bruno.
Globalresearch a "jihadi website"?
Get real, Craig.
I mean, seriously. If somebody can get into "trouble" for quoting Globalresearch then you truly HAVE become the Evil Empire.
Don't talk nonsense.
[craig] "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
You mean like the guys that helped cover for the Israelis after they slaughtered Americans on the Liberty?
Or, are you talking about the chaps that made up the accusations against Iraq, and dragged the US into an entirely avoidable and costly war?
Good point.
But I think you'll find that posting freely available information on a blog post will fall a LITTLE short, even in the US, of "treason".
Globalresearch?
You didn't even read the comment I'm talking about, did you?
http://www.factjo.com/factjo_en/...ews.aspx?
id=837
That's the jihadi website Marion's treasonous comment came from.
But I think you'll find that posting freely available information on a blog post will fall a LITTLE short, even in the US, of "treason".
Maybe so, but it's enough to get her ass thrown in prison on other charges, Bruno. There are hundreds of people in prison right now for less than what Marion just did.
"refuting myths and misconceptions"
*eeeek*
Yes, I can see why *some* Americans might find that treasonous.
Craig, you're priceless.
[craig] "There are hundreds of people in prison right now for less than what Marion just did."
So you're making the case that the US is a repressive police state. I'm surprised, Craig.
What did they DO to you poor bastards in the military? Now THAT has gotta be illegal. 
Bruno, that's a jihadi site. As a South African and a lunatic I'm not surprised you like it, but Marion has no business as a US citizen who lives in America promoting that garbage. She is *literally* promoting the ideology of this country's enemies. That may not be enough for a treason charge, but it's enough to see her sent to jail.
Oh, and one more thing, Bruno. American citizens who were engaged in propaganda efforts for the enemy during time of war have been charged with treason in the past. Marion is probably too small of a fish for the government to mess with that, but it wouldn't surprise me if the FBI started taking a look at her if they saw that comment.
[craig] "She is *literally* promoting the ideology of this country's enemies. That may not be enough for a treason charge, but it's enough to see her sent to jail."
Refuting lies and misconceptions ... is anti American?
Or are you referring to the actual article?
The article that discusses how ISRAEL assasinated IRAQI scientists?
Gosh, Craig, I don't really see anything anti-AMERICAN there. Is revealing ISRAELI crimes against US law? Don't be a retard, Craig.
I well understand why you are so outraged.
ANY view that demonstrates that the fruitcake agendas advances by the rightest of the right in America are, in fact, fruitcake agendas, will send you wingnuts into epileptic fits of rage. That does NOT, however, mean that you are right or that she is anything even remotely approaching a "traitor".
"American citizens who were engaged in propaganda efforts for the enemy during time of war"
WHICH war, Craig?
Who did you declare war against?
A real funny guy...
"The article that discusses how ISRAEL assasinated IRAQI scientists?"
Sure Bruno. An article where some nameless boob(could've been yourself or Marion for all we know) makes claims like there...
"According to a report, Mossad, in cooperation with the US occupation forces in Iraq, have killed 350 Iraqi nuclear scientists and more than 200 University professors.
"The report, prepared by the US Secretary of State and referred to the US President George Bush, said that Mossad and commando groups had been active in Iraq since the invasion in 2003. They targeted Iraqi nuclear scientists after the US had failed to convince them to work for the US or move to the US."
How did this nameless jihadi boob manage to access this "report" the rest of the world knows nothing about Bruno? And how can you call others "wingnuts" when you fall for such senseless drivel?
"According to the report(a VERY top secret report only available to jihadi boob jobs), the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists."
Especially the nuclear scientists in the Awakening Movement and ISF,right Bruno?
Maury, let's just put the veracity of the article aside for the meanwhile.
(I know a lot of Iraqi scientists have been killed, but whether Mossad or the KGB or common criminals did it I haven't researched yet. But that's not the point.)
Do you agree with Craig that posting a report about (alleged) Israeli crimes against Iraqis ARE "treason" against the United States?
are=is. My English is in need of a polish.
Maury?
Hello?
Considering Marion's history of proseletyzing on behalf of Khameini and Hezbollah....yeah it might be considered subversive Bruno. One more nail in the proverbial coffin so to speak.
Then again,if Marion is as retarded as Craig thinks,she'll be acquitted,since ignorance is 90% of the law....LOL.
Gee, Maury had so much to say, and now he's gone.
So you're saying that ... what, Maury? That documenting (alleged) Israeli crimes against Iraqis is TREASON against the US? Seriously?
I'm trying to work out your position on the wingnut-o-meter, Maury.
Please help me in this important research effort.
"what, Maury? That documenting (alleged) Israeli crimes against Iraqis is TREASON against the US? Seriously?"
You call that goobleygook she linked to "documentation" Bruno? Start running around your neighborhood,telling evryone your government murdered 1000 innocent people,and see how long it takes for the police to show up. Does ANYTHING qualify as treason to you Bruno?
"Murder is now generally considered the worst of crimes, but in the past, treason was thought of as worse. In English law high treason was punishable by being hanged, drawn and quartered (men) or burnt at the stake (women), the only crime which attracted those penalties (until the Treason Act 1814). The penalty was used by later monarchs against people who could reasonably be called traitors, although most modern jurists would call it excessive. Many of them would now just be considered dissidents.
In William Shakespeare's play King Lear (circa 1600), when the King learns that his daughter Regan has publicly dishonoured him, he says They could not, would not do 't; 'tis worse than murder: a conventional attitude at that time. In Dante Alighieri's Inferno, the lowest circles of Hell are reserved for traitors; Judas, who betrayed Jesus, suffers the worst torments of all. His treachery is in fact so notorious that his name has long been synonymous with traitor, a fate he shares with Benedict Arnold, Marcus Junius Brutus, and Vidkun Quisling."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
I've been trying to impress upon Marion...to no apparent avail...that nobody can respect someone that hates their own country. Not even Khameini..
"The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition. The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them======= or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,======= is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
Marion might be said to "adhere to the enemy",since we are in a state of war on terror,and Hezbollah is a designated terror group. She may not give direct aid and comfort to the enemy,but she's got to warm the hearts of jihadi's across the world.
I don't know Bruno. Close call.
[maury] "You call that goobleygook she linked to "documentation" Bruno?"
That's not the point.
[maury] "Start running around your neighborhood,telling evryone your government murdered 1000 innocent people,and see how long it takes for the police to show up. Does ANYTHING qualify as treason to you Bruno?"
Is Israel "her government", Maury?
I'm kinda stuck on this small point, for some reason.
If Americans slam Israel, are they traitors?
"Is Israel "her government", Maury?
I'm kinda stuck on this small point, for some reason."
Go back and trudge through the nonsense again Bruno. It claimed the US facilitated the Mossad massacres of 1000 Iraqi's.
"According to a report, Mossad, in cooperation with the US occupation forces in Iraq, have killed 350 Iraqi nuclear scientists and more than 200 University professors.
The report added that the Pentagon was also convinced that this was the best way and special Israeli commando groups were prepared to fulfill this task. The US team gave assistance to the Zionist troops and the team prepared the curriculum vitae of the scientists and provided access to them.
According to the report, the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists."
Bruno,in all honesty...could you make knowingly false claims like that against your government without feeling a tad bit treasonous? Be honest now.
Ah, OK, Maury, that makes a bit more sense.
On the other hand, it would take an immense stretch of the imagination (and the definition of the word) to apply the description of 'treason' to the linking to an article alleging US involvement in some nebulous massacre in Iraq.
You people are full of it, especially Craig.
maury "make knowingly false claims like that against your government"
Which may have occurred, for all we know. We are talking about the same country that gave Saddam Hussein and his cronies thousands of names of Iraqis to kill when they came to power there, after all.
"Which may have occurred, for all we know."
Yeah Bruno,the 5 yr. bombing campaign against Iraqi civilians was a Pentagon/Zionist plot to kill off Iraqi scientists. And you think you could get away with making that claim against your government during a time of war? Man,I asked you to be honest,and that's the best you could muster?
U.S. Policy Should Utilize Vulnerabilities in Iran's Political, Economic Conditions
http://www.rand.org/news/press/2...ess/2008/07/10/
Mossad murdered 530 Iraqi scientists
5/9/2006 1:30:00 PM GMT
Numerous reports for many months
have stated that with collaboration from
American occupation forces, Israel’s
espionage apparatus, Mossad,
slaughtered at least 530 Iraqi scientists
and academic professors.
http://www.nogw.com/download/
200..._scientists.pdf
It was the joooos and their amreekan lackeys,right Marion? And linking to junk that linked to your original junk PROVES everything! Don't worry Marion. They only charge people that matter with treason. You've got nothing to worry about. Internet jihadi's are a dime a dozen.
Iranian nuclear scientist ‘assassinated by Mossad’
Sarah Baxter, Washington
"A PRIZE-WINNING Iranian nuclear scientist has died in mysterious circumstances, according to Radio Farda, which is funded by the US State Department and broadcasts to Iran.
An intelligence source suggested that Ardeshire Hassanpour, 44, a nuclear physicist, had been assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli security service. ..."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle1324321.ece
With their latest fanatsy* of sinister Mossad commandoes murdering hundreds of Iraqi scientists, Bruno & Marion have eloped together for cloud kook-kook land. I hope they are very happy together. They certainly seemed made for each other!
*Wonder who the author of this crazy story is? Also where does he get his drugs from? Because he is definitely using some really interesting stuff!
The fantasy actually blames the mossad and the US for ALL the bombings David.
"and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists."
You see,Al Qaida was never in Iraq. There was never a resistance. It was all a zionist plot to eliminate scientists. Marion eats that shiite up.
This is about the alleged Jihadi, by Craig and Maury, website I posted from:
Fact International
Fact International began in 1996 as a relatively modest operation in Amman, Jordan. Its initial objective was to reflect, as accurately as possible, the hopes and aspirations of the peoples and countries in the region. The challenge of countering the negative imaging of the Middle East by the media was a daunting but vitally necessary task. Within a short time Fact International was inundated with requests for a variety of services broadly related to its core activity. The first major international venture was a partnership project between Jordan and South Africa in the sphere of tourism and trade.Since then the Jordanian-South African relationship has flourished substantially and exciting new projects have been initiated. While the focus thus far has been between the Middle East and South Africa, there have been calls for joint ventures from a number of other countries. Fact International, recognizing the unlimited potential of worldwide expansion, has embarked on a program of developing its resource base. As a first step, Fact International has relocated its head-office to considerably more spacious premises in the up market area of Swefiah in Amman. Additionally, highly qualified and competent personnel have been added to the staff complement. The offices are fully equipped with a range of the latest high-tech equipment in the various departments
"This is about the alleged Jihadi, by Craig and Maury, website I posted from:"
They have a page "dedicated for the head of Sharia'a council of Fact International" Marion. Sheesh....can you be that stupid?
Hey guys if the story hasn't any truth to it, than why do you allow yourselves to get so uptight about it?
If you really believe it is not true, why make such a big deal attempting to silence me by accusing me of treason and so many other things..?
You actually make these claims appear to be more legit by your overreactions to it....
"than why do you allow yourselves to get so uptight about it?"
We're not uptight about the story itself Marion. It's an obvious joke. We're uptight about an American claiming her country is responsible for a 5 yr. bombing campaign against Iraqi civilians. Making claims like that during wartime is clearly treasonous. You can pretend not to know better all you like,but your use of words with multiple syllables tells me you aren't quite as retarded as you want to appear.
I was talking to an expert on Iraq yesterday. He was analyzing the current situation (aside from the meaningless and diversionary discourse of the surge), and told me: Make no mistake about it, The U.S. deploys the same methods of Saddam in (mis)ruling Iraq. He/she argued that the U.S. has in fact in the short period since the invasion killed, injured, imprisoned, and tortured (directly or indirectly) MORE people than Saddam. The methods of U.S. occupation, was evidenced by the brutal and savage takeover of Fallujah, replicate the methods of Saddam, and far exceed them in brutality in the casual use of fighter jet and helicopter gunships against civilian neighborhoods. Can you imagine the outcry if a country were to use advanced fighter jets against the civilians of another country (or countries as the U.S. is helping itself to a number of countries nowadays)? The ICC would immediately move to prosecute in those cases, ad conferences and demonstrations would be held. Somebody will one day tally up the human cost of the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and both invasions will be regarded as beyond classic cases of war crimes and crimes against humanity. But please: don't let me interrupt you as you celebrate the success of the surge. For me this should be the real criterion: for how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?
Posted by As'ad
Maury you are such a tool. The US has been bombing Iraq for years and years, including during the sanctions period. The reason you are such a warped hack is that you have twisted your mind in an attempt to justify such evil.You are a good German in 1939. Get a life.
"They have a page "dedicated for the head of Sharia'a council of Fact International" Marion. Sheesh....can you be that stupid?"--Maury
So what exactly is that supposed to mean Maury...?
Did you even go to the page to see what information it gives?
I did, and it gives nothing....
Is the website calling for war against the infidels? Isn't that what YOU would define as Jihadi according to the Western definition...?
Please do explain how having a page "dedicated for the head of Sharia'a council of Fact International" that contains nothing makes the website Jihadi, so that we can all understand where exactly your and Craig's logic is coming from...?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/
_ZxKAf8..._by_Latuff2.jpg
All the vets I know would demand that any idiot who raped anyone be put away for life or killed.
anand
http://www.salon.com/news/featur...en_in_military/
The private war of women soldiers. "Last year, Col. Janis Karpinski caused a stir by publicly reporting that in 2003, three female soldiers had died of dehydration in Iraq, which can get up to 126 degrees in the summer, because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being raped by male soldiers if they walked to the latrines after dark."
WAKE THE FUCK UP ANAND. YOU LIVE IN LA LA LAND.
"So what exactly is that supposed to mean Maury...?"
What the hell kind of website has a Sharia Council Marion? WHY does a website feel the NEED to have a Sharia Council Marion? Never mind....I've wasted enough time on the twit factor for one day.
"What the hell kind of website has a Sharia Council Marion? WHY does a website feel the NEED to have a Sharia Council Marion? Never mind....I've wasted enough time on the twit factor for one day."--Maury
What matters most is what the Sharia Council is promoting Maury, is it promoting Jihad against the infidel and worldwide subjugation to Islam...? The Fact International Sharia Council page contains no information whatsoever so personally I don't see any connection to it being a Jihadi website....
Maybe you could define what exactly you mean by Jihadi? Does it mean when someone just promotes or speaks of Sharia, irrespective of the contents of the Sharia being promoted or spoken about ...?
Just trying to find out where exactly your logic is coming from Maury...
Maybe anand or someone else here could come to the rescue and help Maury(and Craig) out on explaining their logic to those of us who don't understand...?
Marion(bruno)
u need the rescue...
please forgive me God
for talking to a troll.....
The private war of women soldiers
http://www.salon.com/news/featur...en_in_military/
Many female soldiers say they are sexually assaulted by their male comrades and can't trust the military to protect them. "The knife wasn't for the Iraqis," says one woman. "It was for the guys on my own side."
Last year, Col. Janis Karpinski caused a stir by publicly reporting that in 2003, three female soldiers had died of dehydration in Iraq, which can get up to 126 degrees in the summer, because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being raped by male soldiers if they walked to the latrines after dark.
"I sat right there when the doctor briefing that information said these women had died in their cots," Karpinski told me. "I also heard the deputy commander tell him not to say anything about it because that would bring attention to the problem." The latrines were far away and unlit, she explained, and male soldiers were jumping women who went to them at night, dragging them into the Port-a-Johns, and raping or abusing them.
"There are only three kinds of female the men let you be in the military: A bitch, a ho, or a dyke"
A 2003 survey of female veterans from Vietnam through the first Gulf War found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans from Vietnam and all the wars since, who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder, found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while in the military. And in a third study, conducted in 1992-93 with female veterans of the Gulf War and earlier wars, 90 percent said they had been sexually harassed in the military, which means anything from being pressured for sex to being relentlessly teased and stared at.
Having the courage to report a rape is difficult enough for civilians, where unsympathetic police, victim-blaming myths, and simple fear prevent 59 percent of rapes from being reported, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice. But within the military, reporting is even more risky.
While commanders of some units are apparently less vigilant about policing rape, others engage in it themselves, a phenomenon known in the military as "command rape."
Callie Wight, a psychosocial counselor in women veterans' health in Los Angeles, has been treating women who were sexually assaulted in the military for the past 11 years. In all that time, she told me, she has only seen a handful of cases where a woman reported an assault to her commander with any success in getting the assailant punished. "Most commanders dismiss it," she said.
The real attitude is this: If you tell, you are going to get punished. The assailant, meanwhile, will go free.
http://www.salon.com/news/featur...en_in_military/
You clowns on this blog who worship, idealize, and fetishize the military need to wake up. Just imagine what they do to Iraqi women!
Isn’t frightening how people like Anand of Absurdistan, Marion, and Marion Fan are so inarticulate in their understanding of the world and themselves, but are so steadfast in their beliefs. The new alliance between secular and religious radicals is alarming indeed. It makes you wonder just how fickle the human mind is. These people are obviously followers, but how one’s mind becomes so enslaved to a linear indoctrination remains a mystery to me. Is it weakness, lack of self esteem or limited mental capabilities? They are free people who unknowingly and obsessively advocate structural tyranny in foreign countries.
http://www.commondreams.org/arch...08/08/04/10786/
Rep. Jane Harman cited Veterans Administration statistics that one in three women in the military has been sexually assaulted. She said the prosecution rate of those accused of raping fellow military service members is abysmally low. Of the 2,212 reported rapes in the military in 2007, only 8 percent of the cases ended in court-martial of the perpetrator, while the rate of prosecution in civilian courts is 40 percent.
Lt. Gen. Rochelle, the Army chief of personnel, reported the little known statistic that 12 percent of reported rapes in the military are of male military personnel.
Rep. Shays said he had no confidence in DoD or the military services and their policies of prevention of sexual assault, and asked how recruiting will fare when young women learn that one in three women is sexually assaulted and when young men find out that one in 10 men is raped while in the military.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
pa...i_b_117171.html
Sexual Assault and the Military: When Will the Pentagon Take Action?
The rates of assault are shocking. Almost one-third of women veterans say they were sexually assaulted while in the military. But even these troubling figures may not be telling the whole story; experts estimate that half of all sexual assaults go unreported.
Aton, no interest in discourse with drooling tools like yourself. I am far more literate and articulate than you with actual humans engaged in valid discourse. Why don't you respond to the point of the articles instead of remaining in ignorance and engaging in ad hominem attacks? Give your brilliantly articulate elucidations to the articles if you can.(I am not going to hold my breath)
Gravatar Hey guys if the story hasn't any truth to it, than why do you allow yourselves to get so uptight about it?
Marion, you accused the US State Department of launching a systematic campaign of mass murder of Iraqi academics. With absolutely no evidence, based on a post on a jihad website.
Are you insane? I think you must be BOTH insane, and retarded.
Well, at least once Marion is in prison there will be a little elss spam on Mojo's blog!
"Baby rapes shock South Africa"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/afric...ica/
1703595.stm
"Child Rape in South Africa"
http://www.medscape.com/viewarti...warticle/
444213
"One-third of child rape in South Africa committed by school teachers"
http://www.scienceblog.com/commu...E/
20023369.html
I guess we know where Marion really stands though, right? Anand, aren't you going to try to convince us Marion isn't the sick piece of shit she seem to be? :P
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
new...RTICLE_ID=25806
"Child-rape epidemic
in South Africa"
http://stonetharp.wordpress.com/...x-gay-movement/
"‘Corrective Rape’ in South Africa and the Ex-Gay Movement"
Marion, do you really believe that Mosad and the Jews are responsible for the five year bombing campaign against Iraqi population centers for the purpose is to kill Iraqi scientists and professor? Why do you believe this?
To the person alleging sexual abuse of woman American military service members, do you want me to ask some vets and active duty about your allegations?
Are you open to listening to the response you get with an open mind?
Anand, she believes more than that! She believes the US was pressuring Iraqi scientists to move to the US and that the US State Department turned Mossad loose on any that refused. She is accusing the US government of crimes against humanity. Without a shred of evidence.
From Aton's link:
For the year 2000, some 58 children were raped or the victims of rape attempts in South Africa every single day.
How many children have you raped, Bruno?
By the way, anand, Freedom of Speech does not cover false accusations of criminality. Marion is going to be in deep shit if she does attract the attention of the FBI.
IT IS TRULY AMAZING HOW THE AMERICAN SLIME ON THIS BLOG GO TRULY BATSHIT BY MARION OR ANYWONE ELSE THAT SHATTERS THIS TINY WORLD VIEW THEY GOT.
LOL
GOOD JOB MARION YOU KNOW YOU ARE DOING GOOD WHEN YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE CRAIG TRYING TO SCARE YOU WITH THE FBI.
HAHAHA
Marion belongs in prison. I thought last night she was just careless and not checking what she copy pasted. I see by her defense of it today that she does.
I'll say it again, just to be clear: MARION BELONGS IN PRISON.
Marion, if even one Iraqi read your comment and believed it to be true and then went and blew himself up trying to kill Americans as a result, would you feel good about that, or bad?
PS Marion the terrorist, what kind of Islam is that where Muslims tell vicious lies, intending to provoke other Muslims into committing murder?
Anand, wanna help me out with that? What is the word again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri
Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement and does not condone terrorism.[4] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals.
You support the resistance in Iraq, right Marion? Even though it is against your own country which means you do so for religious reasons. That section applies to you.
This belief allows Takfiris to justify the use of violence against fellow Muslims; a contemporary example being the sectarian violence perpetrated in the Iraqi Insurgency.
You support Muslim on Muslim violence in Iraq, right Marion? That section applies to you.
Takfiris also reject the traditional Muslim duty to obey one's legitimate rulers in all manners that do not contradict Sharia, as sedition is viewed as a great danger to a nation.
You feel no obligation to obey the US government, and not only have you practiced sedition but also treason. This section applies to you.
I could go on...
Marion, how much time have you been spending on Jihadi websites?
WALLA THAT’S GREAT THE WAY THAT CRAIG IS SHITTING ON THE COMMENTS SECTION BECAUSE OF MARION. WHAT A HOOT! TIME FOR BED!
It'll be more great when Marion and her husband get arrested :D
Marion, will you start a petition to get you freed from your "wrongful" imprisonment? Maybe CAIR can help you out!
Marion, two things you have written have very much disappointed and saddened me:
1) Your allegation of Mossad killing Iraqi civilians.
2) Your seeming praise of Nasrallah talking about destroying the state of Israel "and other interesting things."
Do you believe the Mossad is behind the civilian terrorist bombings inside Iraq?
Craig, perhaps Marion really only dislikes Israel. She seems to blame everything bad in the world on Israel and America (that she thinks Israel controls.)
"They are free people who unknowingly and obsessively advocate structural tyranny in foreign countries."--Aton the Sun God
Do you advocate structural tyranny in Iran anton...?
"These people are obviously followers, but how one’s mind becomes so enslaved to a linear indoctrination remains a mystery to me. Is it weakness, lack of self esteem or limited mental capabilities?"--anton
I assume you consider yourself a leader anton..? And who exactly do you lead?
And what about those who allegedly follow you, would you consider them as being weak, having low self esteem, or limited mental capabilities...?
Authorities won't waste time and money on Marion. Not for martyring herself on the internet at least. Yeah I know,intellectual suicide doesn't gain one instant access to paradise and 70 virgins. But,Marion has lived in the heartland of Hezbollah. In Nasrullah's very shadow. That's even better than visiting Mecca. She probably has one of those plastic keys Khomeini gave would-be martyrs so they could let themselves into paradise. Why would American authorities tug on superwoman's cape? Surely they know better....
"Marion, you accused the US State Department of launching a systematic campaign of mass murder of Iraqi academics. With absolutely no evidence, based on a post on a jihad website.
Are you insane? I think you must be BOTH insane, and retarded."
Craig you need to improve on your reading comprehension...
Now according to the article the report was prepared by the U.S. Secretary of State and given to the President, therefore the State department was not accused of systematic mass murder...
According to the report, the Mossad, with the help of U.S. occupation forces in locating the scientists, killed the scientists and academics...
Whether the report is fabricated or not will eventually be known, just as the CIA report, on behalf of the Bush administration, claiming that Saddam still possessed weapons of mass destruction which lead to our preemptive attack, invasion, and occupation of Iraq was revealed to be fabricated...
And based on what facts and logic do you consider Fact International to be a Jihadi website Craig...?
I must have really hit a sensitive spot with all of these extreme reactions in response...
Might any of you guys be working for or with the Mossad, since you appear to be so upset by the allegations in this report...?
You really should be more upset over our own CIA fabricating a false report on behalf of the Bush administration that lead to our illegal preemptive attack and invasion of Iraq, than over some report coming out of Jordan claiming that the Mossad has been killing scientists and academics in Iraq....
Certainly does show where your loyalties lie, doesn't it...?
Craig,
I am not a Takfiri, I am Shia Muslim...And I don't believe in killing innocent civilian people no matter who or what is the cause...Whether it be Muslims or Americans doing it...
I do believe in self defense though and that everyone has the legitimate right to resist foreign occupation of their lands...
I follow the laws here, I pay my taxes, and I speak freely according to our laws of free speech...I do not advocate overthrowing our government, but I do advocate exposing them when they are guilty of something, and I advocate following the laws in regards to removing them such as through elections or an impeachment process if necessary...
O shit, she’s on to us.
"Do you believe the Mossad is behind the civilian terrorist bombings inside Iraq?"--anand
I consider them as a possible suspect anand...It is possible that they could be working with the violent Tafiris...
But I would need more evidence to actually completely convince myself that they are behind these bombings...
Oh my, we got the next Adam Yahiye Gadahn here.
Marion thinks that objectivism is a Jewish conspiracy.
"And what about those who allegedly follow you, would you consider them as being weak, having low self esteem, or limited mental capabilities...?"
Marion | 08.08.08 - 5:38 pm | #
No, my team is recruited and paid handsomely. We are ethical professionals, not indoctrinated fundamentalist house wives.
Marion do know what structural tyranny is?
"We were basically hiring terrorists"
http://www.salon.com/news/featur...6/sons_of_iraq/
The U.S. signed up legions of sketchy Iraqi fighters to help stop sectarian violence. Now, most may lose their security jobs -- but remain armed and angry.
But what a year ago looked like a brilliant solution to sectarian violence is now looking like a time bomb. Many of the force's members once fought alongside al-Qaida in Iraq and other Sunni insurgency organizations against American troops and the predominantly Shiite Iraqi security forces. And now, a joint U.S.-Iraqi government plan to disband the force could put up to 80,000 men out of work -- and leave them armed and disgruntled.
I am not a Takfiri, I am Shia Muslim...And I don't believe in killing innocent civilian people no matter who or what is the cause...Whether it be Muslims or Americans doing it...
Marion, you are a known liar and you are on record here supporting the resistance. Which kills innocent civilian Muslims in very large numbers. You are also on record here supporting the Shia militias which do exactly the same thing.
I'm glad you are finally out of the closet with your true beliefs. Now why don't you go hand out on a blog with like minded lunatics and leave the rest of us alone?
Take this anonymous type in name person with you, Marion? DJ or whoever it is? Very annoying she decided to stop using a recognizable name.
"Marion, you are a known liar and you are on record here supporting the resistance. Which kills innocent civilian Muslims in very large numbers. You are also on record here supporting the Shia militias which do exactly the same thing""--Craig
****
Craig,
I support resistance to occupation, not resistance to the civilians who are being occupied....I do not support the targetting of innocent people whether it be under the name of resistance to occupation or collateral damage under the name of spreading Democracy...
As much as you and others here, on a regular basis, have claimed and insinuated things about me and others who you don't agree with, your so-called on record and your claims of me being a liar doesn't mean a damn thing except in your little click of war scaremongers who hide behind the so-called name of freedom and Democracy ...
What kind of freedom and Democracy goes around the world killing and dispossessing millions of innocent people to help serve "its" interests in order to install U.S. interest friendly governments in countries...?
You are all on record as war and occupations supporters, who would resort to any means to undermine those who you don't agree with you. You are on record as supporting the use of whatever means necessary(even falsified evidence and nuclear technology) in order to justify preemptive attacks to overthrow governments who are not considered as U.S. interest friendly, which just happens to cause the killing, maiming, and dispossession of millions of innocent civilians...
You can take your on record and shove it where the sun don't shine Craig....
Marion kiddo....
Do ya have a blog?
Marion,
do ya have a blog?
The war mongers here should be happy to hear this following report and will be breathing heavy hoping that it is true:
Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
http://europebusines.blogspot.co...s-for-
iran.html
The warmongers here should be more than happy to read the following report and waiting excitedly in anticipation, along with the Neocons, of it being true:
Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
http://europebusines.blogspot.co...s-for-
iran.html
andrea,
No I don't have a blog...
If we, who don't necessarily agree with each other, decided just to be bloggers rather than debate, what would be the point of any blog having comment sections other than just to agree with each other?
Arundhati Roy
Thou shalt not be a victim.
Thou shalt not be a perpetrator.
And above all,
Thou shalt not be a bystander
Iranian civilization awes Kiwis
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:45:36
"The historical documentary film Iran, Seven Faces of a Civilization has drawn dozens of Kiwis to the capital of Wellington.
The film is the Iranian documentary maker, Farzin Rezaeian's latest work, which portrays the country's 7000-year-old history, art, culture and architecture.
Iran, Seven Faces of a Civilization was screened during a ceremony at Wellington's Te Papa museum and at the Lincoln University.
The director of Te Papa Museum, Seddon Bennington delivered a speech about Iran's history and civilization, announcing that the museum would hold exhibitions of ancient Persian artifacts.
Iran's charge d'affaires ad interim in New Zealand, Ali Baqer Nemati for his part said that such films and gatherings could promote peace, fellowship and dialogue.
Iran, Seven Faces of a Civilization is accompanied by a book of the same title, which beautifully reconstructs major Persian monuments based on historical and archaeological information."
http://www.presstv.ir/
detail.asp...ionid=351020105
Yet the Neocons want to see all of this destroyed, just like what was done in Iraq...
Who needs historic civilization in today's so-called modern civilized world, all that matters to Neocons and their supporters is out with the old and in with the new U.S./Israel interest friendly Iran....
There is no such thing as freedom of choice in a Neocon's mind, yet they will claim it is the other who doesn't respect freedom of choice ....
Sexual assault in military 'jaw-dropping,' lawmaker says
A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.
A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, spoke before a House panel investigating the way the military handles reports of sexual assault.
She said she recently visited a Veterans Affairs hospital in the Los Angeles area, where women told her horror stories of being raped in the military.
"My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41 percent of the female veterans seen there say they were victims of sexual assault while serving in the military," said Harman, who has long sought better protection of women in the military.
"Twenty-nine percent say they were raped during their military service. They spoke of their continued terror, feelings of helplessness and downward spirals many of their lives have taken since.
"We have an epidemic here," she said. "Women serving in the U.S. military today are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31...buse/
index.html
God, you are one messed up lady.
Sexual assault in military 'jaw-dropping,' lawmaker says
A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death.
A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, spoke before a House panel investigating the way the military handles reports of sexual assault.
She said she recently visited a Veterans Affairs hospital in the Los Angeles area, where women told her horror stories of being raped in the military.
"My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41 percent of the female veterans seen there say they were victims of sexual assault while serving in the military," said Harman, who has long sought better protection of women in the military.
"Twenty-nine percent say they were raped during their military service. They spoke of their continued terror, feelings of helplessness and downward spirals many of their lives have taken since.
"We have an epidemic here," she said. "Women serving in the U.S. military today are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31...buse/
index.html
Why don't you address the issue of the article instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks against me? Address the issue you clinical sociopath. Or don't you care about women being raped at epidemic levels?
Who is the one who is messed up?
The warmongers here...
How dare you call anyone a warmonger, Marion! If it weren't for terrorists like you, we wouldn't be having to defend ourselves.
Mojo, is this "I got assraped" person the same one who was claiming to be a woman yesterday?
Yet the Neocons want to see all of this destroyed, just like what was done in Iraq...
It's terrorist retards like you that are going to get Iran destroyed.
I'm curious what a Muslim extremist like you sees to be proud of in Iranian civilization, though? Iran's glory days were ALL pre-Islamic. Islam has nothing to be proud of when it comes to Iran. Unless you can't military invasion, occupation, enslavement and destruction of a civilization as praiseworthy activities? If that's the case you should be looking forward to it happening again, right?
Nutjob.
Marion,
Over 2/3 of of my family is Demorcrat...
They know how much i respect Omar..
AND the freedom they felt....
Sure,start a blog...i could give ya
a "dear diary" everyday 
.....
There is an asshole born everyday,
way before BC....AND there is not
much i can do about that,except support our troops and the peeps
who want freedom!!!!!!
OR a child who wants a Barbie doll.
Or whom a mother who beat me and
my dad was the best WALLEYE fisherman.
Should i keep going??
I SUPPORT what we are doing!!!!!!
Please don't give me shit for it!!!
Start your own blog,please....maybe i will visit...
if ya got a positve thing to say...
12 hours later...
no blog yet Marion?
i need to vent about the
Opening to the Games
Way too good!!!!!
but i guess you would say
the night was worthless?
Neocon Flap Highlights Jewish Divide
Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe*
WASHINGTON, Jul 30 (IPS) - "A mushrooming media controversy pitting neoconservatives against a prominent Jewish-American political commentator could mark a new stage in the growing battle over who speaks for the U.S. Jewish community on foreign policy issues, particularly regarding the Middle East.
TIME columnist Joe Klein's accusations that Jewish neoconservatives, who played a particularly visible role in the drive to war in Iraq and have since pushed for military confrontation in Iran, sacrificed "U.S. lives and money...to make the world safe for Israel" have spurred angry charges of anti-Semitism and personal attacks from critics at such neoconservative strongholds as the Weekly Standard, National Review, and Commentary.
But the fierceness of the controversy surrounding Klein, generally considered a political centrist, highlights the growing antagonism between neo-conservative hardliners and prominent U.S. Jews whose more moderate views are aligned more closely with those of the foreign policy establishment.
The controversy began Jun. 24, when Klein argued in a TIME blog post that the "fact that a great many Jewish neoconservatives -- people like [independent Democrat Sen.] Joe Lieberman and the crowd at Commentary -- plumped for this war [in Iraq], and now for an even more foolish assault on Iran, raised the question of divided loyalties."
Within a day, Abraham Foxman, head of the Anti-Defamation League, accused Klein of espousing "age-old anti-Semitic canards about a Jewish conspiracy to control and manipulate government".
The reaction from the right-wing press was even harsher. Commentary editor John Podhoretz reiterated the accusation of "anti-Semitic canards" and called Klein "manifestly intellectually unstable".
Writing in National Review, former George W. Bush speechwriter Peter Wehner called Klein "a man who cannot control his anger and even hatred".
But Klein has refused to back down, accusing his attackers of using charges of anti-Semitism to silence criticism of neoconservative policies.
"When [Commentary writer] Jennifer Rubin or Abe Foxman calls me anti-Semitic, they're wrong," he said in an interview. "I am anti-neoconservative.
In its broad contours, the controversy is a familiar one, as critics accuse neoconservatives of exercising pernicious influence on U.S. Middle East policy and neoconservatives reply with charges of anti-Semitism and conspiracy-mongering. ....."
To read the rest of this important piece go to:
http://ipsnews.net/wap/news.asp?...sp?
idnews=43384
What is going on here is just a form of the same old anti-Semitism and conspiracy-mongering charges that the Neocons have been using to demonize their opponents...
To read the rest of this important piece go to:
As if any of your sources can be described as "important" :D
You know damn good and well nobody is interested in reading your Islamist propaganda. That's why you copy paste whole sections in your comments in your pathetic attempts to forcefeed it to us.
"12 hours later...
no blog yet Marion?
i need to vent about the
Opening to the Games"--andrea
Do you have a blog andrea?
Maybe you should start one so that you can vent about the Opening to the Games...
"Way too good!!!!!
but i guess you would say
the night was worthless?
andrea/minnesota "--andrea
What makes you think that andrea....
Please don't assume things about me, the same as Craig and others here do, based on your choosing to have a completely biased viewpoint of me just because we don't agree on Neocons and their Middle East policies...
Islamist propaganda Craig?
When did the IPS, and Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe start dispensing Islamist propaganda....?
You never bother to present any clear evidence(s) for all of your ongoing allegations...
You never bother to present any clear evidence(s) for all of your ongoing allegations...
Yes I do. You're just too stupid to understand when you've been outed :P
Marion, the only fan you've got on this blog is the transvestite who got ass raped or whatever. Why do you waste your time? Isn't there some other blog where people might actually be interested in reading your garbage?
Marion, if you persist in commenting here, would you kindly explain which part of Persia's post Islamic history that you are so PROUD of, as a Muslim? You are the one who brought the issue up, right?
Was it the mass enslavement of Persian women? Maybe that's the part the rape fanatic likes, no? Or maybe it was the utter annihilation of Persian culture? The brutality of the Arab conquest of Persia is nearly unparalleled. The only one I can think of that even comes close is the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain, but there's only a single eyewitness recorded account of that so it may not be accurate. The destruction of Persia at the hands of the Arabs is very well documented, and indisputable. And yet, as a Muslim, you seem quite proud of it? And not only that, you (as a Muslim) take credit for all of Persia's pre-Islamic accomplishments? You take credit for the accomplishments of a culture that Islam eradicated? Do you have any idea how CRAZY that sounds?
Marion, if you persist in commenting here, would you kindly explain which part of Persia's post Islamic history that you are so PROUD of, as a Muslim? You are the one who brought the issue up, right?
Was it the mass enslavement of Persian women? Maybe that's the part the rape fanatic likes, no? Or maybe it was the utter annihilation of Persian culture? The brutality of the Arab conquest of Persia is nearly unparalleled. The only one I can think of that even comes close is the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain, but there's only a single eyewitness recorded account of that so it may not be accurate. The destruction of Persia at the hands of the Arabs is very well documented, and indisputable. And yet, as a Muslim, you seem quite proud of it? And not only that, you (as a Muslim) take credit for all of Persia's pre-Islamic accomplishments? You take credit for the accomplishments of a culture that Islam eradicated? Do you have any idea how CRAZY that sounds?
Marion, if you persist in commenting here, would you kindly explain which part of Persia's post Islamic history that you are so PROUD of, as a Muslim? You are the one who brought the issue up, right?
Was it the mass enslavement of Persian women? Maybe that's the part the rape fanatic likes, no? Or maybe it was the utter annihilation of Persian culture? The brutality of the Arab conquest of Persia is nearly unparalleled. The only one I can think of that even comes close is the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain, but there's only a single eyewitness recorded account of that so it may not be accurate. The destruction of Persia at the hands of the Arabs is very well documented, and indisputable. And yet, as a Muslim, you seem quite proud of it? And not only that, you (as a Muslim) take credit for all of Persia's pre-Islamic accomplishments? You take credit for the accomplishments of a culture that Islam eradicated? Do you have any idea how CRAZY that sounds?
Marion,
No,I don't have a blog....
if i did,it would be basically
about the Beatles....Everyday
i learn something new ....but
negative comments from you is not
one of them...
and i am mad at myself for even
responding to you or "bruno"....
Same person,different hours.... 
Omars blog and Mojo's has given
me more then U could ever do Marion...for info and thoughts....
both positive
"Was it the mass enslavement of Persian women? Maybe that's the part the rape fanatic likes, no? Or maybe it was the utter annihilation of Persian culture? The brutality of the Arab conquest of Persia is nearly unparalleled. The only one I can think of that even comes close is the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain, but there's only a single eyewitness recorded account of that so it may not be accurate. The destruction of Persia at the hands of the Arabs is very well documented, and indisputable. And yet, as a Muslim, you seem quite proud of it? And not only that, you (as a Muslim) take credit for all of Persia's pre-Islamic accomplishments? You take credit for the accomplishments of a culture that Islam eradicated? Do you have any idea how CRAZY that sounds?"--Craig
Craig, what is crazy is all of your emotionally charged accusatory spiels and hyperbolic claims based on nothing but false accusations, which you are now incessantly posting here as opposed to posting claims that can be backed up with clear and irrefutable evidences ....
"Marion,
No,I don't have a blog....
if i did,it would be basically
about the Beatles....Everyday
i learn something new ...."--andrea
andrea,
I happen to like the Beatles, but obviously you have never learned anything from them, most especially John Lennon...
"Imagine" that....
Would John, if he were alive today, agree with you on your support of U.S. wars and occupations...?
Somehow I don't think so....
'2 US aircraft carriers headed for Gulf'
Two additional United States naval aircraft carriers are heading to the Gulf and the Red Sea, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Kuwait Times.
Kuwait began finalizing its "emergency war plan" on being told the vessels were bound for the region.
The US Navy would neither confirm nor deny that carriers were en route. US Fifth Fleet Combined Maritime Command located in Bahrain said it could not comment due to what a spokesman termed "force-protection policy."
While the Kuwaiti daily did not name the ships it believed were heading for the Middle East, The Media Line's defense analyst said they could be the USS Theodore Roosevelt and the USS Ronald Reagan.
Within the last month, the Roosevelt completed an exercise along the US east coast focusing on communication among navies of different countries. It has since been declared ready for operational duties. The Reagan, currently with the Seventh Fleet, had just set sail from Japan. ...."
To read it in full go to:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
Marion,i don't know what John
would have said today.....?
And yes,i have Learned a great
deal from them....THE music and
their 4 different peeps that comes
across more then you do....
I HAPPENED to be there on his 50th
birthday in NYC,at Strawberry Fields
Forever......
So do NOT tell me anything!!!
The Antisemitism Incitement Craze
http://www.counterpunch.org/
hamm...ad08052008.html
"So do NOT tell me anything!!!"--andrea
Okay fine andrea, but just to remind you, you are the one who decided to tell me things first and I in turn simply told you some things back...
"Would John, if he were alive today, agree with you on your support of U.S. wars and occupations...?" -Marion
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Marion, who understands better? Can you imagine that there is no heaven? Can you imagine a world without country? Can you imagine a world without religion?
K, you beat me to it! :D
As far as the Olympics... I think it's time for the US to focus on badminton!
Marion, why are you using Jewish sources now when you could use Iranian ones?
http://iranian.com/main/node/36307
And please elaborate on which part of post-Islamic Persian history you are proud of? I've waited all day for that.
K, you beat me to it! :D
As far as the Olympics... I think it's time for the US to focus on badminton!
Marion, why are you using Jewish sources now when you could use Iranian ones?
http://iranian.com/main/node/36307
And please elaborate on which part of post-Islamic Persian history you are proud of? I've waited all day for that. Why do you bring stuff up, and then refuse to clarify? You do it all the damn time. If you just want to copy paste propaganda, do it someplace else.
K AND MARION...
EXCUSE me for making a thought...
"Get off this estate."
"What for?"
"Because it's mine."
"Where did you get it?"
"From my father."
"Where did he get it?"
"From his father."
"And where did he get it?"
"He fought for it."
"Well, I'll fight you for it."
-- Carl Sandburg
Iraqi public opinion
http://boards.historychannel.com...inion/
520006605
buh,
Thanks for the link to the Iraqi public opinion polls analysis.
I also found a nice quote on the same page:
"A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." - Frederick Douglass
"And please elaborate on which part of post-Islamic Persian history you are proud of? I've waited all day for that. Why do you bring stuff up, and then refuse to clarify? You do it all the damn time...."--Craig
Actually you are the one who has a bad habit of bringing up wild allegations about others you disagree with here without backing your allegations up with clarifications, Craig....
I think you are actually losing it Craig....
How exactly does my posting something about "Iranian civilization awes Kiwis" and the fact that the Neocon war plans would destroy this ancient civilization, just like what was done in Iraq, equate to your asking me to elaborate on which part of post-Islamic Persian history I am proud of?
If you and the Neocons don't think that there is anything the world can learn in regards to ancient Iranian civilization(therefore in your minds there are no good reasons to respect it and protect it) that is your problems, not mine.....
"A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." - Frederick Douglass
What does a genuine traitor like you know of patriots, Marion? You are sitting their wishing "resistance" success with killing Americans. What part of that aren't you getting, dear one?
How exactly does my posting something about "Iranian civilization awes Kiwis" and the fact that the Neocon war plans would destroy this ancient civilization, just like what was done in Iraq, equate to your asking me to elaborate on which part of post-Islamic Persian history I am proud of?
Simply because that ancient civilization was ALREADY destroyed, by Muslims. It no longer exists, Marion. There is nothing for "neocons" to destroy.
I assume you disagree with me on that, so I'd like you to explain exactly what modern day Iran has in common with the ancient civilization you were so busy praising?
Marion,
If you and the Neocons don't think that there is anything the world can learn in regards to ancient Iranian civilization
a) You just put words in my mouth, that I never said.
b) You lecture about "ancient Iranian civilization" but apparently don't know there is no such thing, and that the word "Iran" was invented by the Shah about 70 years ago.
c) Why don't you worry about what Muslims can learn from ancient Persian civilization? After all, it was Muslims who destroyed that civilization.
d) Why are you so fascinated with a dead civilization that was never Islamic in the first place? Why not fixate on ancient greek civilization? Or ancient Roman civilization? Or any number of other dead civilizations? What's so special about Persia? is it only because Iran is a Muslim county? Don't you think it's a bit strange for a Muslim to have such a fascination, when it was Muslims who ended ancient Persia? That would be like Germans lamenting over the death of the Roman Empire, wouldn't it? Comes across as pretty insincere, from a white American girl convert to Islam, eh?
you thanked "buh" too fast for that link, retarded one!
The very same ABC News poll that delivered some of the harshest criticism of US troops also asked whether the US should have "a future role" in a number of areas. Remarkably high numbers said that it should. Seventy-six percent favored the US providing training and weapons to the Iraqi army. Eight in 10 favored the US participating in security operations against al-Qaeda or other jihadists operating in Iraq--something that would, of course, be at odds with the US completely withdrawing all its forces.
"Marion, who understands better? Can you imagine that there is no heaven? Can you imagine a world without country? Can you imagine a world without religion?"--K
Actually it is difficult to imagine such things K, but I do understand the underlying message Lennon was expressing which is that belief in these things has been a cause of hatred and wars between different peoples of the world...
For me, the problems do not lie in the belief that there is a heaven and a hell, or in there being different religions and countries, but the problems lie when people possess too much pride concerning their countries and religions and view themselves, their respective countries, and their religions as being better than the others...
I also happen to believe that the quest for power which is largely based on greed is still one of the greatest factors in causing hatred and wars between people and countries...
"you thanked "buh" too fast for that link, retarded one!"--Craig
My name is Marion, and I would appreciate it if you would refer to me as Marion rather than retard, thank you in advance....
Did you read the entire reports findings and put them into their proper perspective Craig, or did you just decide to reject everything except for what you cut and pasted here?
Why would you think I thanked buh too fast? I don't blame the Iraqis for expecting the U.S. to help against al-Qaeda or other jihadists operating in Iraq, since it was the U.S. who created the conditions on the ground in which al-Qaeda and other jihadists have been able enter into Iraq and to thrive there....
And I don't think the Iraqi people believe that we need such large numbers of U.S. troops in Iraq to train the Iraqi army and provide weapons to them...
And they certainly don't appear to believe either that we need a bunch of U.S. military bases or the largest U.S. embassy in the world to provide training and weapons to the Iraqi army or to help in security operations against al-Qaeda or other jihadists...
Nagasaki's mayor urges nuke ban
Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:46:31 GMT
"On the 63rd anniversary of the atomic bomb attack, Nagasaki's mayor calls for stricter measures against countries with nuclear weapons.
Nagasaki Mayor specifically called for judicious actions against Israel, Pakistan and North Korea, as all three have nuclear weapons.
A moment of silence was observed throughout Nagasaki in southern Japan at 11:02 a.m., the time in 1945 when a U.S. B-29 bomber dropped an atomic bomb on the city, killing about 74,000 people.
The attack came three days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, killing at least 140,000.
Mayor Tomihisa Taue called for abolishing nuclear weapons, saying the United States and Russia should lead this effort."
http://www.presstv.ir/
detail.asp...ionid=351020406
Marion, I can't go through all the messages here. But I saw:
"Arundhati Roy
Thou shalt not be a victim.
Thou shalt not be a perpetrator.
And above all,
Thou shalt not be a bystander
Marion | 08.09.08 - 9:53 am | #"
You haven't a clue who Arundhati Roy is. She is traitor to her own country who has called for violent attacks against the Indian army and Indian police; both of which serve India's democratically elected government. She is a deeply unpopular figure inside India. She opposes nonviolence and supports communist/socialist policies that would greatly increase global poverty if adopted.
Marion, you are very strange. Who thinks that Mossad is organizing suicide bombings in Iraq? Are you OK? Mojo, I think we should be nice to Marion. She might not be completely okay. I don’t think she is bad (on the dark side), but she is massively confused.
http://boards.historychannel.com...inion/
520006605
buh | 08.09.08 - 11:56 pm | #
buh, please read the link you are citing:
"The very same ABC News poll that delivered some of the harshest criticism of US troops also asked whether the US should have "a future role" in a number of areas. Remarkably high numbers said that it should. Seventy-six percent favored the US providing training and weapons to the Iraqi army. Eight in 10 favored the US participating in security operations against al-Qaeda or other jihadists operating in Iraq--something that would, of course, be at odds with the US completely withdrawing all its forces.
Support for non-military forms of involvement has also been high. The WorldPublicOpinion.org poll found 68 percent favoring "helping Iraqis organize their communities to address local needs such as building schools and health clinics."
More broadly, the Channel 4 poll asked Iraqis whether they want the US to play a larger or smaller role in the future of Iraq. Only 22 percent said they want the US to play a smaller role. The largest number--40 percent--said they want the US to play a bigger role and another 13 percent want America's role to remain the same as now.
So what is going on here? How is it that on one hand Iraqis think the presence of US troops makes the security situation worse and they should leave within a year, and on the other hand that it would be very nice if they were to train Iraqi forces and help with the security situation vis-Ã -vis al Qaeda?"
Marion, the primary mission of the MNF-I is (in the following order of importance)
1) Increase the capacity and performance of institutions of the Iraqi government, including the MoD (Ministry of Defence), MoI (Ministry of Interior) and civilian ministries
2) Work with the Iraqi government to fight terrorists, including AQ and Takfiris.
3) Population protection in the areas where MNF-I still has responsibility to protect Iraqi civilians (the ISF manages security for Iraqi civilians in the large majority of Iraq.)
What else is the MNF-I doing? You do know that America is drawing down to 5 brigades from 21 at the peak by mid 2010. Marion, you obviously don’t have a clue what the MNF-I is doing. Given that that is the case, maybe you should ask what functions the MNF-I are performing in Iraq, and how quickly those functions can be transferred to the MoI and MoD. Maybe you could present detailed specific ideas that you have. But you never do. You seem to have no interest in facts or constructive suggestions. Rather you seem to post confused circular irrational and emotional statements that consistently contradict previous posts you have written.
Marion, the primary mission of the MNF-I is (in the following order of importance)
1) Increase the capacity and performance of institutions of the Iraqi government, including the MoD (Ministry of Defence), MoI (Ministry of Interior) and civilian ministries
2) Work with the Iraqi government to fight terrorists, including AQ and Takfiris.
3) Population protection in the areas where MNF-I still has responsibility to protect Iraqi civilians (the ISF manages security for Iraqi civilians in the large majority of Iraq.)
What else is the MNF-I doing? You do know that America is drawing down to 5 brigades from 21 at the peak by mid 2010. Marion, you obviously don’t have a clue what the MNF-I is doing. Given that that is the case, maybe you should ask what functions the MNF-I are performing in Iraq, and how quickly those functions can be transferred to the MoI and MoD. Maybe you could present detailed specific ideas that you have. But you never do. You seem to have no interest in facts or constructive suggestions. Rather you seem to post confused circular irrational and emotional statements that consistently contradict previous posts you have written.
My name is Marion
Your name is dirt. And I'll call you whatever I want, thank you very much. Maybe someday, I'll get to call you "convicted felon".
[Marion] but the problems lie when people possess too much pride concerning their countries and religions and view themselves, their respective countries, and their religions as being better than the others..."
I think we're making progress Marion. You do realise you're describing Iran,don't you?
"Members of religious minorities, excluding Sunni Muslims, have been prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school principals. Applicants for public sector employment were screened for their adherence to and knowledge of Islam, although members of religious minorities could serve in lower ranks of government employment, with the exception of Baha'is. Government workers who did not observe Islam's principles and rules were subject to penalties. The constitution states that the country's army must be Islamic and must recruit individuals who are committed to the objectives of the Islamic revolution; however, in practice no religious minorities were exempt from military service. The law forbids non-Muslims from holding officer positions over Muslims in the armed forces. Members of religious minorities with a college education could serve as an officer during their mandatory military service but could not be a career military officer.
University applicants are required to pass an examination in Islamic theology, which limits the access of most religious minorities to higher education, although all public school students, including non-Muslims, must study Islam. Applicants for public sector employment similarly are screened for their knowledge of Islam."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Sta...freedom_in_Iran
"The Government does not ensure the right of citizens to change or renounce their religious faith. Apostasy, specifically conversion from Islam, can be punishable by death."
[Marion] but the problems lie when people possess too much pride concerning their countries and religions and view themselves, their respective countries, and their religions as being better than the others..."--Marion
"I think we're making progress Marion. You do realise you're describing Iran,don't you?"--Maury
I could be describing a number of different countries in the above statement Maury including our own country the U.S....
The Neocons, Bush administration, Christian Zionists, and the blindly patriotic Americans also happen to fit into this particular description, even though I think the underlying motivation for the Neocons and the Bush administration (not necessarily the Christian Zionists and blindly patriotic Americans)is that greed is their driving force and the protection of Israel is their excuse...
Considering that we are the ones who have a history of going around the world attempting to change or overthrow governments that are not U.S. interest friendly using military force, I would say that we are far more dangerous to the people of the world than Iran is ....
Any discrimination going on inside of Iran is for the Iranian people to deal with just like any discrimination going on inside of the U.S. has been for the American people to deal with. Now if there is a real genocide of people taking place in any country, than the world under the United Nations should interfere to put an end to it...
But what countries are doing and have been doing outside their borders in other countries is the rest of the world's business because it effects them...And that includes what our own country has been doing in other countries around the world...
Speaking of what countries are doing outside their borders, how about our U.S. military involvement with Georgia leading up to it's present war with Russia, we don't here much about it in our mainstream media here, I wonder why? Do the American people through our supposedly "free" press even know how involved we are in that war...?
The following reports help put some of the pieces of the puzzle together for us:
Georgia, US start military exercises despite tensions with Russia
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Worl...6162566-
ap.html
*****
Russia battles Georgia over breakaway region of South Ossetia
Kremlin retaliates for Georgian military assault to regain control of rebel region
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/
...ed=networkfront
******
Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
http://www.debka.com/article.php...le.php?
aid=1358
US military trainers not involved in *****
Georgia conflict: military
http://afp.google.com/article/
AL...caXwielvnLpfRrA
*****
Georgia violence / A frozen alliance
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...es/
1009922.html
*****
Also Vineyard Saker's blog is quite informational in regards to keepi
Also Vineyard Saker's blog is quite informational in regards to keeping one updated on what is taking place on the ground in this particular conflict...
Marion, you are very strange. Who thinks that Mossad is organizing suicide bombings in Iraq? Are you OK? Mojo, I think we should be nice to Marion. She might not be completely okay. I don’t think she is bad (on the dark side), but she is massively confused.
anand | 08.10.08 - 2:30 am | #
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I have always pictured Marion as young and very naive and brainwashed by someone else, and therefore undeserving of the wrath that Bruno so rightfully deserves.
Do the American people through our supposedly "free" press even know how involved we are in that war...?
Marion, the whole fucking world supports Georgia, and not Russia, in that conflict. Except you. Why? because you are retarded, and sick.
Why are you all defending the Mossad agency..? Mossad is an Israeli intelligence agency that is known for committing many questionable actions allegedly on behalf of Israel around the world...
Haven't any of you ever read the "Book By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent who now lives in Canada...?
In this book he talks about "Operation Sphinx – A Mossad operation where Iraqi nuclear scientists were recruited while in France to gather information about Iraq's nuclear reactor Osiraq, ultimately ending with the Israeli air strike in 1981."
SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
By_...ay_of_Deception
The Mossad is known to use assassination as well...
Victor Ostrovsky also write "The Other Side of Deception".
As I said before if this report about the Mossad assassinating Iraqi scientists and academics is not true than it will eventually be revealed just like how it was revealed that the CIA fabricated a report on behalf of a Bush administration request to help justify the U.S. preemptive attack, invasion, and occupation of Iraq....
You accused the US state department, not just Mossad, el stupido.
"Marion, the whole fucking world supports Georgia, and not Russia, in that conflict. Except you. Why? because you are retarded, and sick."--Craig
Craig, did I ever mention who I support in this conflict? I don't support either side, I simply support the innocent people who are caught up in the middle of this conflict...
And I do not support our interference there which is helping to destabilize the region rather than stabilize it...
My post was meant to point out how our U.S. military and the Israeli military have been involved with training and arming the Georgian military leading up to their conflict with Russia...
The fact of the matter is that our military and the Israeli military are involved in an awful lot of conflicts around the world, yet by the posts here you would think that it is Iran who is a primary culprit in destabilizing the region and the world ...
blah blah blah. As if it is OK to make any accusation you want, no matter how horrific, without bothering to present any evidence of all to back it up. This kind of false claim gets people killed, which is hwy jihadis do it. They are TRYING to provoke Muslims into committing murder. And so are you, Marion. You're a despicable human being, and I hope you get what you have coming to you.
"You accused the US state department..."--Craig
The article stated that it was a U.S. Secretary State report that was issued to President Bush Craig, alleging U.S. forces involvement with the Mossad in these killings...Can you please get YOUR FACTS straight according to the article rather than falsely accusing me of accusing the State department...?
It's not my fault you don't know how to read, Marion. It's not my fault you want me to produce FACTS from an article that is full of lies, either. What good would it do for me to copy paste your own article, when you didn't even understand the claims it was making the first time you read it?
"...You're a despicable human being, and I hope you get what you have coming to you."--Craig
Are you personally threatening me Craig? So if anything happens to me, should they consider you as a suspect...?
Will you deny that the U.S. or Israel has been arming and training Georgian forces or has been involved in many conflicts around the world either directly or indirectly Craig..? I have listed a number of reports to back up my claims that the U.S. and Israel are involved with the Georgian military Craig...Whether you choose to reject them or accept them is your business, but please do not accuse me of not bothering to present any evidence...
And can you prove that my pointing these facts out on Mojo's blog where a majority of pro U.S. wars and occupation minded Americans participate, means I am deliberately trying to encourage Muslims to commit crimes...?
I am trying to educate my fellow Americans concerning our involvement and interferences which are helping to destabilize regions of the world which is not at all in our interests Craig...
Most Muslims are already aware of U.S. involvement in their regions of the world because they have experienced it first hand and not because of my pointing it out.....
Marion, you don't know what you are talking about regarding Georgia. Vineyard is of Eastern Orthodox, communist, slavic upbringing from the greater Balkans. The Russians have long backed the Serbs, and Vineyard is understandably grateful for that. Therefore, he naturally sympathizes with the Russians in Georgia, Serbia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Vineyard is pro Russian. Are you pro Russian? I don’t think you have any coherent idea what you are.
The vast majority of Georgians want to join NATO, the EU, and build close relations with the West and the other great non Russian powers. They want foreign militaries to train and equip their own (and not just Western, they also aggressively seek better relations with India, China and Japan.) Try to see things through Georgian eyes. Then try to see the situation through Russian eyes. Later, after understanding, draw your own conclusions.
BTW, the Israelis just stopped a lot of arms shipments Georgia, in an attempt to appease Israel’s close ally Russia. {The Russians promised taking a harder line on Iran.}
Let me summarize, the Israelis agreed to betray the Georgians in return for the Russians agreeing to betray your Khamenei. Naturally Marion sides with the Russian. Of course. Marion, can you understand why everyone is massively confused by you.
Craig, it looks like Israel might be quietly siding with the Russians. So it isn't true that the whole world is backing the Georgians.
Craig,
I know U need to be on the
right path,but peeps like
Marion, are understudies of a troll.
And they keep leaning to the
left....
Its too bad....
Ya can battle,but they can't even
seem to have a good outlook on
anything.
Marion | 08.10.08 - 12:13 pm | #
Marion, you are alleging that Israel tried to infiltrate Iraqi security and intelligence. Duh. What do you expect Israel or any other self respecting country to do? “Intelligence” agencies try to find “intelligence” about other countries.
BTW, your Khomeini wildly celebrated when Israel blew up Saddam’s nukes. You forget that Israel backed your Khomeini against Saddam 1980-1988. Khomeini gladly took Israeli help and then stabbed Israel in the back for Israel’s efforts.
Marion, why do you consistently seem to support people who throw the ones who help them under the bus. To my mind gratitude and loyalties are great virtues. I am continually disappointed when my country (America) demonstrates ingratitude and disloyalty (we Americans have a problem with that.) But truth be told, your Iranian regime and Russia are even worse than us Americans.
Marion | 08.10.08 - 12:13 pm | #
Marion, you are alleging that Israel tried to infiltrate Iraqi security and intelligence. Duh. What do you expect Israel or any other self respecting country to do? “Intelligence” agencies try to find “intelligence” about other countries.
BTW, your Khomeini wildly celebrated when Israel blew up Saddam’s nukes. You forget that Israel backed your Khomeini against Saddam 1980-1988. Khomeini gladly took Israeli help and then stabbed Israel in the back for Israel’s efforts.
Marion, why do you consistently seem to support people who throw the ones who help them under the bus. To my mind gratitude and loyalties are great virtues. I am continually disappointed when my country (America) demonstrates ingratitude and disloyalty (we Americans have a problem with that.) But truth be told, your Iranian regime and Russia are even worse than us Americans.
Marion | 08.10.08 - 12:13 pm | #
Marion, you are alleging that Israel tried to infiltrate Iraqi security and intelligence. Duh. What do you expect Israel or any other self respecting country to do? “Intelligence” agencies try to find “intelligence” about other countries.
BTW, your Khomeini wildly celebrated when Israel blew up Saddam’s nukes. You forget that Israel backed your Khomeini against Saddam 1980-1988. Khomeini gladly took Israeli help and then stabbed Israel in the back for Israel’s efforts.
Marion, why do you consistently seem to support people who throw the ones who help them under the bus. To my mind gratitude and loyalties are great virtues. I am continually disappointed when my country (America) demonstrates ingratitude and disloyalty (we Americans have a problem with that.) But truth be told, your Iranian regime and Russia are even worse than us Americans.
anand,
I like Angry Arab's take which is much more honest than yours(although you may be right that Israel is backing down on its military aid to Georgia in the hopes that Russia will back down on its military aid to Iran in the case of a near future attack by Israel or the U.S on Iran)....:
*****
"Watching and reading U.S. media coverage about the Russian-Georgian conflict is almost comical. U.S. media are just puzzled over Russian arguments about its vital interests in its neighbor to the south. The U.S. of course can go all the way to Iraq and Afghanistan and not feel the need to justify arguments about vital interests thousands of miles away from the homeland. The New York Times said not one word about the Israeli military/intelligence role in Georgia. The New York Times, however, paid tribute to the civilians harmed by Russian bombs. In one day in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gaza more civilians are killed by U.S./Israeli bombs than in the entire Russian-Georgian conflict. The coverage of the New York Times also brings back memories of the Times' coverage of Israeli war of aggression on Lebanon. And George was the country--emboldened by U.S./Israeli support--that provoked this crisis. Russia should use American arguments in its war on Iraq: Russia should say that it suspected that Georgia was developing WMDs, that Georgia is linked to terrorist groups in Russia, that Georgia has been violating human rights, that Georgia is a threat to peace, and that it is better for Russia to attack Georgia otherwise Georgia would attack Russia. Finally, it can be said that mainstream U.S. media are as loyal to their government as Syrian and Saudi media; they only disagree on details."--Posted by As'ad at 8:17 AM
Have you noticed how you have this reeking habit of slandering by "personally" demonizing many of the sources I have used here, rather than simply countering what information and facts they have to present anand...?
Could you please try to be more honest in your debate practices...?
Marion, you can't possibly fall for that Angry Arab drivel.
Georgia is a prosperous, free market, free democracy. It is respected for its values and goodness around the world. Georgia is also a mortal enemy of Takfiris everywhere and a close friend of Afghanistan and Iraq.
How is Georgia a threat to peace?
I am as pro Russian as they come, and
Georgia and Russia have legitimate disagreements. The Russians have legitimate grievances. These differences should be addressed nonviolently.
How often to free prosperous democracies that are integrated into the global economy attack each other? It is very rare. This is why Russia's actions puzzle so many. And this is the real reason why so many around the world are afraid of Russia's actions. This will cause many countries to try to improve their relations with the West, China, India, Japan and other countries . . . in an effort to defend themselves. Russia already has a mixed global image, and that image won't be helped.
“I like Angry Arab's take which is much more honest than yours.” Explain to me how my take is not “honest.” Marion, I don’t think that you are a bad person. I even think you are well intentioned, which is why I tolerate your personal character insults. But most people (including Craig) would blow up at you for alleging this type of thing about them without documentation. Do you understand that? Your attacks on the character of others is angering people more than your unusual views. Please stop slandering the character of others. What purpose can it possibly serve?
Aug 6, 2008 2:20 | Updated Aug 6, 2008 5:19
Israel to sell Georgia only 'defensive' weapons
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Marion, who have I demonized? Other than Saddam of course.
Please stop accusing people you disagree with of being dishonest.
"...Your attacks on the character of others is angering people more than your unusual views. Please stop slandering the character of others. What purpose can it possibly serve?"--anand
Maybe you should take a good hard look in the mirror first anand, and equally lecture Craig and others here who have been slandering my character and even threatening me because they find it easier than countering my posts with facts...
"Marion, who have I demonized? Other than Saddam of course.
Please stop accusing people you disagree with of being dishonest."--anand
anand,
You have managed to personally slander which is a form of demonizing anand, by making allegations without any facts to back them up against Angry Arab, Vineyard Saker, Arundhati Roy, and myself just to recently name a few ...
The only thing I have alleged is that many of you are pro-U.S. war and occupation supporters, and due to this and your apologetic nature of the Neocons and Zionists, you appear to be Neocons and Zionists or supporters...
On the other hand I have been accused of anti-Americanism and treason, I have been accused of antisemitism, called a retard, a jihadi, a terrorist, a despicable human being, a shit amongst many other things, and yet you anand selectively only point to my accusations of certain people here as warmongering and Neocon/Zionst supporters as being dishonest and therefore angering people...?
And than there are those subtle little allegations you always tend to come uo with in order to try and use against me anand such as:
"...I am continually disappointed when my country (America) demonstrates ingratitude and disloyalty (we Americans have a problem with that.) But truth be told, your Iranian regime and Russia are even worse than us Americans."--anand
My Iranian regime anand? When have I personally claimed them to be my regime...?
Just because I am a Shia who is not anti the Iranian government, I don't necessarily believe all of the allegations in regards to Iran and their leadership that many people have made here, and I am not for the U.S. forcing regime change or attacking Iran doesn't make the Iranian leaders into my regime...
Marion,
i feel sorry for u.....
Now she's calling us Jews again. Marion, you really need to get a life.
Anand, I am surprised you haven't drowned in your own drool and drivel.
I was talking to an expert on Iraq yesterday. He was analyzing the current situation (aside from the meaningless and diversionary discourse of the surge), and told me: Make no mistake about it. The U.S. deploys the same methods of Saddam in (mis)ruling Iraq. He/she argued that the U.S. has in fact in the short period since the invasion killed, injured,widowed, orphaned, imprisoned, and tortured (directly or indirectly) , more people and made more refugees than Saddam(IN ONLY 5 YEARS!!!). The methods of U.S. occupation, was evidenced by the brutal and savage takeover of Fallujah, replicate the methods of Saddam, and exceed them in brutality in the casual use of fighter jet and helicopter gunships against civilian neighborhoods. Can you imagine the outcry if a country were to use advanced fighter jets against the civilians of another country (or countries as the U.S. is helping itself to a number of countries nowadays)? The ICC would immediately move to prosecute in those cases, ad conferences and demonstrations would be held. Somebody will one day tally up the human cost of the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and both invasions will be regarded as beyond classic cases of war crimes and crimes against humanity. But please: don't let me interrupt you as you celebrate the success of the surge. For me this should be the real criterion: for how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?
As'ad
Craig knows that I don't think that he should criticize you as harshly as he does. He, however, is very insulted by the way you keep attacking his character, integrity and intelligence. Don’t I often ask people to stop attacking you?
Marion, sorry for saying 'your Iranian regime.' Many of us have met many Persian and Shia Americans. I have yet to meet a single person as supportive of Khamenei as you. You are one of very few people who insist Iran is a democracy.
Do you ever criticize Khamenei for anything? Why not?
I know Angry Arab, Vineyard Saker, Arundhati Roy, much better than you. Saying many of their frequently expressed views is not slander.
Vineyard is pro Serb, and sympathetic to Eastern Orthodox South Eastern European perspectives. He is also pro Russian. How is saying this slander? Have I criticized him? He is pro Shia and pro Iran. He has attacked Saddam, Baathists, and Arab Advocate. He has also attacked KSA (Wahhabi Salafi extremists according to him) and Pakistan (Deobandi salafi extremists according to him.) He also respects Badr and the Marjeeya. I respect Vineyard for expressing those positions.
Arundhati Roy spends most of her time traveling around India, and attacking the Indian government and the large majority of major Indian political parties and movements in the strongest ways imaginable. Ask her to deny it. How is stating that slander?
Arundhati Roy reminds me a lot of you, actually. He seems to view her own country India much the way you view your own country America. As Maury says, attacking ones country “ALL THE TIME” is not natural. This is why Arundhati Roy is persona non grata for most Indians. However, for some reason Amy Goodman likes her and keeps inviting her.
PS. She is a Bengali like me, and probably well intentioned. However, she is very confused.
Angry Arab, I don’t read that often. But I think he strongly opposes the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. He seems to support militants who violently attack them. Marion, you claim to support the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. Khamenei is publicly enamored with them and openly treats them as the second coming. Don’t you see the contradiction? Angry Arab viscerally slanders the Iraqi army, Iraqi police and Iraqi government that Khamenei praises.
Angry Arab hasn’t a clue about Iraq. What is wrong with saying that openly? You can use him as a source on other subjects. But consider taking his perspectives on Iraq with a grain of salt.
Craig knows that I don't think that he should criticize you as harshly as he does. He, however, is very insulted by the way you keep attacking his character, integrity and intelligence. Don’t I often ask people to stop attacking you?
Marion, sorry for saying 'your Iranian regime.' Many of us have met many Persian and Shia Americans. I have yet to meet a single person as supportive of Khamenei as you. You are one of very few people who insist Iran is a democracy.
Do you ever criticize Khamenei for anything? Why not?
I know Angry Arab, Vineyard Saker, Arundhati Roy, much better than you. Saying many of their frequently expressed views is not slander.
Vineyard is pro Serb, and sympathetic to Eastern Orthodox South Eastern European perspectives. He is also pro Russian. How is saying this slander? Have I criticized him? He is pro Shia and pro Iran. He has attacked Saddam, Baathists, and Arab Advocate. He has also attacked KSA (Wahhabi Salafi extremists according to him) and Pakistan (Deobandi salafi extremists according to him.) He also respects Badr and the Marjeeya. I respect Vineyard for expressing those positions.
Arundhati Roy spends most of her time traveling around India, and attacking the Indian government and the large majority of major Indian political parties and movements in the strongest ways imaginable. Ask her to deny it. How is stating that slander?
Arundhati Roy reminds me a lot of you, actually. He seems to view her own country India much the way you view your own country America. As Maury says, attacking ones country “ALL THE TIME” is not natural. This is why Arundhati Roy is persona non grata for most Indians. However, for some reason Amy Goodman likes her and keeps inviting her.
PS. She is a Bengali like me, and probably well intentioned. However, she is very confused.
Angry Arab, I don’t read that often. But I think he strongly opposes the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. He seems to support militants who violently attack them. Marion, you claim to support the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. Khamenei is publicly enamored with them and openly treats them as the second coming. Don’t you see the contradiction? Angry Arab viscerally slanders the Iraqi army, Iraqi police and Iraqi government that Khamenei praises.
Angry Arab hasn’t a clue about Iraq. What is wrong with saying that openly? You can use him as a source on other subjects. But consider taking his perspectives on Iraq with a grain of salt.
Craig knows that I don't think that he should criticize you as harshly as he does. He, however, is very insulted by the way you keep attacking his character, integrity and intelligence. Don’t I often ask people to stop attacking you?
Marion, sorry for saying 'your Iranian regime.' Many of us have met many Persian and Shia Americans. I have yet to meet a single person as supportive of Khamenei as you. You are one of very few people who insist Iran is a democracy.
Do you ever criticize Khamenei for anything? Why not?
I know Angry Arab, Vineyard Saker, Arundhati Roy, much better than you. Saying many of their frequently expressed views is not slander.
Vineyard is pro Serb, and sympathetic to Eastern Orthodox South Eastern European perspectives. He is also pro Russian. How is saying this slander? Have I criticized him? He is pro Shia and pro Iran. He has attacked Saddam, Baathists, and Arab Advocate. He has also attacked KSA (Wahhabi Salafi extremists according to him) and Pakistan (Deobandi salafi extremists according to him.) He also respects Badr and the Marjeeya. I respect Vineyard for expressing those positions.
Arundhati Roy spends most of her time traveling around India, and attacking the Indian government and the large majority of major Indian political parties and movements in the strongest ways imaginable. Ask her to deny it. How is stating that slander?
Arundhati Roy reminds me a lot of you, actually. He seems to view her own country India much the way you view your own country America. As Maury says, attacking ones country “ALL THE TIME” is not natural. This is why Arundhati Roy is persona non grata for most Indians. However, for some reason Amy Goodman likes her and keeps inviting her.
PS. She is a Bengali like me, and probably well intentioned. However, she is very confused.
Angry Arab, I don’t read that often. But I think he strongly opposes the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. He seems to support militants who violently attack them. Marion, you claim to support the Iraqi government, Iraqi army and Iraqi police. Khamenei is publicly enamored with them and openly treats them as the second coming. Don’t you see the contradiction? Angry Arab viscerally slanders the Iraqi army, Iraqi police and Iraqi government that Khamenei praises.
Angry Arab hasn’t a clue about Iraq. What is wrong with saying that openly? You can use him as a source on other subjects. But consider taking his perspectives on Iraq with a grain of salt.
Angry Arab:
"how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?"
This is a direct attack against the Iraqi army and Iraqi police. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Angry Arab viscerally hates the Iraqi army and Iraqi police and is trying his best to slander and de-legitimize them.
Why does he hate the IA and IP so much? Is it jealousy? Is it fear that the IA will soon be the greatest army the Arab world has ever known in recorded history? Does Angry Arab feel jealous of the manhood, valor, courage, team work and competence of the Iraqi army? Does he fear what the IA will do to non-Iraqis that Angry Arab supports?
Angry arab is perfectly entitled to disagree with Maliki and support other Iraqis in upcoming Iraqi elections. That is not at question here. What is at question, is his hatred of the Iraqi army and Iraqi police.
The IA and IP are fighting AQ and Takfiris. The whole world should bow their heads before them and thank them for knocking AQ and the Takfiri down to size. The whole world “owes” the ISF a “HUGE” debt of gratitude. The complete ingratitude of Angry Arab and other non Iraqis is mind-boggling and condemnable. I don’t apologize one bit for stating this openly. It is about time somebody did.
"I have listed a number of reports to back up my claims that the U.S. and Israel are involved with the Georgian military Craig..."
OMG Marion! You've blown the lid off this scandal. You'll win a Pulitzer for this. I bet they call it Georgiagate. Or Mariongate. The U.S. involved with the Georgian military. Israel involved with the military of another country. Wow! Who'da thought?
Maury | 08.10.08 - 4:57 pm | #
Marion, I would seriously question the intelligence of any country that did not get involved with the military of another country. Please name a single large country that "did not get involved with the military of another country?"
Was Israel wrong to "did not get involved with the military of another country" by supporting Khomeini against Saddam 1980 to 1988?
Was Khomeini wrong to "did not get involved with the military of another country" by accepting Israeli help against Saddam 1980 to 1988?
Imagine if Iraq were involved with the Georgian military Marion. THAT would be explosive! If you could show the U.S.,Israel AND Iraq were involved with Georgia....well,let's just say the rest of us wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Next,you'll try telling us Georgia has 2000 troops in Iraq. Sheesh,you must think we'll believe anything Marion.
In Georgia Clash, a Lesson on U.S. Need for Russia
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/1...pe/
10diplo.html?
"Marion,
i feel sorry for u....."--andrea
I really don't need or even want your pity andrea, but thank you for your acknowledgment even if it is all negative....LOL!
"Now she's calling us Jews again....."--Aton the Sun God
Maybe you could explain how you concluded that anton....?
Georgia has the third largest contingent of troops in Iraq. We tried to get them into NATO before the shit hit the fan,but the EU nixed the idea. Now,Georgia will have to spank Russia all by their lonesome. Georgia isn't Chechnya. Russia will have their hands full with Georgia's tiny army. Count on that.
Angry Arab:
"how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?"
anand:
"This is a direct attack against the Iraqi army and Iraqi police. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Angry Arab viscerally hates the Iraqi army and Iraqi police and is trying his best to slander and de-legitimize them.".
How do you justify drawing a line from "how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?" to "This is a direct attack against the Iraqi army and Iraqi police" anand?
I understood this as meaning that Angry Arab believes that Nuri Al-Malik is not at all popular with the Iraqi people and therefore his Prime Minister position would not last after U.S. troops withdraw because it is the U.S. troops presence that primarily helps legitimize his leadership......
"Imagine if Iraq were involved with the Georgian military Marion. THAT would be explosive! If you could show the U.S.,Israel AND Iraq were involved with Georgia....well,let's just say the rest of us wouldn't have a leg to stand on."--Maury
Why would imagining such a thing about countries under U.S. military occupation be so explosive Maury...?
Even the U.S. and Israel's involvement in Georgia is not explosive news, it is just a fact that more than likely the average American isn't even aware of, but I am willing to bet that the average Russian is aware of this fact...
"because it is the U.S. troops presence that primarily helps legitimize his leadership......"
Iraqi voters have nothing to do with it?
anand,
Your problam is that you send mixed messages about people anand. ..... In one post you will point things out about a person(s) that is more or less accurate and than in the next post you slanderously accuse them of something that is not even based on factually correct information, such as the following hyperbolic allegation concerning Angry Arab:
"This is a direct attack against the Iraqi army and Iraqi police. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Angry Arab viscerally hates the Iraqi army and Iraqi police and is trying his best to slander and de-legitimize them.", based on Angry Arab simply stating:
"how many hours will Nuri Al-Malik last once U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq?"
"Marion, I would seriously question the intelligence of any country that did not get involved with the military of another country."--anand
Doe this mean you would be okay with Russia or China for for example, getting involved with the military of Canada and Mexico to the detriment of U.S. interests in this region of the world anand?
"because it is the U.S. troops presence that primarily helps legitimize his leadership......"--Part of my(Marion)'s interpretation of Angry Arab's comment
"Iraqi voters have nothing to do with it?"--Maury
Technically speaking, Iraqi voters had nothing to do with appointing Nouri Al Maliki Maury. They voted in the Iraqi National Assembly who originally appointed Ibrahim al-Jaafari who was forced to withdraw his nomination for premiership for the permanent government because of accusations of weak leadership from United States President George W. Bush stating that he "doesn't want, doesn't support, doesn't accept" his retention as Prime Minister.(Wikipedia).
Ibrahim al-Jaafari was succeeded by al-Maliki as Dawa Party secretary-general in May 2007 and has since launched a new political party called National Reform.
Marion, after the 12.15.05 UN run Iraqi elections (in which 77% of eligible Iraqi voters participated), Jaafari was unable to convince a majority of the Iraqi National Assembly to vote for him as PM. Sunni Arab and Kurds (including Khamenei's friend Talabani) refused to support him. Jaafari also had problems with the Allawai/Communist party of Iraq list, and even UIA shia factions. Both the Khamenei backed ISCI/Badr and the Fadheela Sadrists were not enthusiastic about Jaafari.
After 6 months of chaos, Sistani finally told Jaafari to resign for the welfare of Iraq and allow someone else to be PM. Muqtada and Jaafari put forward Jaafari's right hand man Maliki. Maliki was supported by Khamenei and acceptable to Badr/ISCI.
The Kurds and Sunni Arabs also indicated that they could live with Maliki as PM. An overwhelming percentage of the Iraqi National Assembly voted to confirm Maliki as Iraq's PM (although he would not win such a high percentage if a similar vote were held today.)
PM Maliki was democratically elected and remains so unless he loses a no confidence vote, or the National Assembly is dissolved.
Khamenei publicly still backs Maliki. By all accounts that I can see, Maliki has significant popular support.
"Doe this mean you would be okay with Russia or China for for example, getting involved with the military of Canada and Mexico"
I support much closer and better relations between America and China, and America and Russia in all areas.
US, China relations are the best they have ever been . . . one of the greatest successes of the Bush Administration.
The Chinese worked well with the US, Canadian and Mexican militaries in Haiti. I think that was awesome.
Canada and Mexico have very close relations with China, closer in fact than with any other nation in the world other than America.
I support NATO/Chinese and NATO/Russian military cooperation. As part of that, I support America and Canada working much more closely with the Chinese military and Russian military.
Canada, unfortunately doesn't want to spend much on defence.
Regarding Mexico, I have no problem with Mexico buying Chinese weapons. Is this what you are asking?
To change the topic Marion, Angry Arab was not talking about Maliki’s popular support or support within the Iraqi assembly. (most of the Iraqi assembly wanted Jaafari out as PM.) Angry Arab was clearly talking about Maliki being militarily (rather than legally) removed from office in a short period of time. There are only two ways this can happen:
1) The (IA) Iraqi army and (IP) Iraqi police are militarily defeated
2) The IA seizes power directly via an illegal coup.
Marion, I am not completely stupid. It is clear that Angry Arab was suggesting one of the above two possibilities. And you know this. Marion, was he suggesting a coup or that the IA would be militarily defeated?
Please understand, I don’t take racist slurs against the IA lightly. If someone takes swings at the IA (in the most derogatory terms imaginable), then expend a strong response.
Marion, a major reason that most of Iraq's elected parliamentarians opposed Jaafari as PM in 2006 was because of the response to the Samarra mosque incident. Iraq was almost destroyed in the aftermath of the AQ Samarra mosque bombing. Many Iraqi sunni arabs and Kurds were furious at Jaafari for not reining in the Shia militias and their death squads in early 2006. Jaafari did not unleash the IA and IP at the Shia militias as strongly as he could have to protect Sunni Arab civilians. This solidified opposition to Jaafari in the Iraqi National Assembly. How could Jaafari carry on as PM if most Iraqi elected parliamentarians opposed him?
Muqtada selected Maliki as a compromise replacement for Jaafari. Khamenei signed of on Maliki as did the Najaf Marjeeya. If they were okay with Maliki, why do you oppose Maliki? You do know that Maliki was based in Syria while fighting Saddam as a leader of the Iraqi resistance. Maliki worked closely with Hezbollah and Nasrallah. Dawa (created in part by Khomeini by the way) helped Hezbollah in Lebanon, while Hezbollah helped Dawa fight Saddam. Maliki and Nasrallah were at the center of this nexus.
Don’t you trust Hassan Nasrallah. If Nasrallah backs his old friend Maliki, why can’t you?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26067251/
Swimmer Bernard says France will 'smash' U.S.
“The Americans? We’re going to smash them. That’s what we came here for,” Bernard said.
“I’ll start my Games in the 4x100 meters freestyle relay final, confident that my pals will have qualified easily.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/mer...aspx?
id=4170786
Lezak mounted a spectacular comeback against France's Alain Bernard in the last 50 meters of the men's 400-meter freestyle relay on Monday, and the Americans snatched gold in a race they looked sure to lose.
Trailing by more than a half-second at the beginning of his anchor leg, Lezak swam a scorching 46.06 in the final 100 meters to beat Bernard to the wall and give the U.S. a world record time of 3 minutes, 8.24 seconds.
STFU French bitches.
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Anand, congrats on India's first ever Olympic Gold medal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...h?
v=9V7zbWNznbs
The bastards never learn!
The Turkish judge for the women's volleyball needs to get sent to gitmo! He's obviously an Olympics terrorist.
[maury] "And you think you could get away with making that claim against your government during a time of war?"
Yes, um ... you see, Maury, you seem to have missed my post, here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...8078691/
#299760
Where Craig took up the same position you are now advocating.
Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?
[maury] "Georgia isn't Chechnya. Russia will have their hands full with Georgia's tiny army. Count on that."
The military genius has spoken!
But:
"On Sunday Georgia said it was pulling its troops out of the separatist province of South Ossetia but its appeals for a ceasefire in the widening conflict in the Caucasus failed to halt Russia’s mounting military response."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/
077576...00779fd18c.html
See, the Russians are running scared already! :|
[aton] "Marion do know what structural tyranny is?"
Noeconservative hypocrites running things?
[anand] "Georgia and Russia have legitimate disagreements. The Russians have legitimate grievances. These differences should be addressed nonviolently."
Notice how Anand is all for nonviolence ... except for if it is America dishing it out. Then, violence is OK.
[anand] "Jaafari was unable to convince a majority of the Iraqi National Assembly to vote for him as PM."
Actually, the UIA won the vote and decided to elect Jafaari in an internal party vote. The US/UK put pressure on the other Iraqis to freeze the process until he was dropped.
[anand] "Sistani finally told Jaafari to resign"
*I* heard that:
"The NYT's Ed Wong reported that Redha Jowad Taki, described as a UIA parliamentarian and an aide to SCIRI head Abdul-Aziz Hakim, was one of those who accompanied Hakim to a meeting with Khalilzad last Saturday in which the US viceroy reportedly "told" Hakim,
to pass on a "personal message from President Bush" to the interim prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari... Mr. Khalilzad said Mr. Bush "doesn't want, doesn't support, doesn't accept" Mr. Jaafari as the next prime minister... It was the first "clear and direct message" from the Americans on a specific candidate for prime minister, Mr. Taki said."
http://justworldnews.org/archive...es/
2006_03.html
Marion, I'm impressed with the way you have taken the fight to the rabies-infected loons that inhabit this place. It seems that some are getting extremely frustrated by your ability to out-duel and out - gun them!
It's not often that somebody can stride into a nest of wingnuts and overmaster them like you have done ... good stuff.
AAAAGH.
Haloscan sucks!
Sorry, people.
Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?
Are you claiming the US is not at war, Bruno?
It's not often that somebody can stride into a nest of wingnuts and overmaster them like you have done
She out-stupided us, Bruno. Kinda like your apparent claim that the US is not at war. Interesting position for you to take, considering you accused the US of "war" crimes. How does one even begin to address somebody whose tactic is to spam copy-pasted idiocy into the comment section of a blog?
I've relegated Marion to the same status you have with me. Worthy of nothing but ridicule. Hope she enjoys it as much as you do :P
Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?
Are you claiming the US is not at war, Bruno?
It's not often that somebody can stride into a nest of wingnuts and overmaster them like you have done
She out-stupided us, Bruno. Kinda like your apparent claim that the US is not at war. Interesting position for you to take, considering you accused the US of "war" crimes. How does one even begin to address somebody whose tactic is to spam copy-pasted idiocy into the comment section of a blog?
I've relegated Marion to the same status you have with me. Worthy of nothing but ridicule. Hope she enjoys it as much as you do :P
War in Afghanistan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Aut...inst_Terrorists
War in Iraq:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Joi...es_Against_Iraq
By the way, Bruno, do they have a baby-raping competition in the Olympics? Seems like you South Africans would really dominate that one!
Bruno, ain't you gonna invoke the UN charter to condemn Russia for its illegal war of aggression in Georgia?
Or do you just wanna play the hypocrite card totally to the hilt?
PS Bruno:
Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?
Which war was it that you have called illegal again? How do you justify that, if you think the US is not at war at all? You trying to out-stupid even Marion now? She never even tried to make that claim, and she's retarded.
"Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?"
The War on Terror Bruno. How is it a sophisticated man of the world like yourself never heard of it?
"See, the Russians are running scared already!"
Putin can piddle fart around for another month or so,but then the mountain pass Russia used to gets its troops in snows over. Putin would be wise to pound his chest and get the flock out of there.
[bruno] Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?
[maury] Are you claiming the US is not at war, Bruno?
Correct. Legally, for punishment of war-time evils by war time standards, the state has to be at war, meaning a formal declaration of that state of affairs.
[craig] "She out-stupided us, Bruno. Kinda like your apparent claim that the US is not at war."
... and yet, you can't seem to point me to a declaration of war. What a shame.
[craig] "considering you accused the US of "war" crimes."
War crimes can be committed in absentia of a formal state of war existing. Crimes that hinge on the legal declaring of war cannot. Yes, yes, very complicated, I know. But try and understand, anyway.
[craig] "Which war was it that you have called illegal again?"
Yes, Craig, do try and wrap your tiny brain around the fact that one can invade and pillage other countries without declaring a formal state of war. Very difficult, I understand, but maybe if you empty some of the pathetic macho crap from the jumbled attic that is your intellect, you might find a smidgen of space for the faculty of reason.
[craig] "Bruno, ain't you gonna invoke the UN charter to condemn Russia for its illegal war of aggression in Georgia?"
Unlike you American idiots, I don't rush into making blanket declarations without at the least understanding the situation and being able to find the country on a map. My initial reaction was here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...?
a=23307#398255
... but at a second glance the situation is not quite as simple as I thought it had been. More research is required.
[bruno] "Which war, Maury? Who did America declare war against?"
[maury] "The War on Terror Bruno."
... just like the "war on drugs" and whatever other worthless "wars" people have declared, but not actually declared, right?
Here, pea-brain, allow ME to educate you on a declaration of war. It:
"is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War; [...] The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (Pub.L. 93-14 limits the power of the President to wage war without the approval of the Congress. The United States of America has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Dec...e_United_States
(Man, I LOVE it the wat you rednecks play dumb, and then suddenly get smart again when making the case that the US has never lost a war, by playing on the point that the US never actually formally declared war on Vietnam.)
Point is, you folks seem to get all worked up (probably because of Marion's asskicking that she delivered to your behinds), and seem to be stuck on the idea that the US is in a state of war and therefore her bl
Point is, you folks seem to get all worked up (probably because of Marion's asskicking that she delivered to your behinds), and seem to be stuck on the idea that the US is in a state of war and therefore her blog posts must be punishable by death or some shit. My point is that : legally speaking, no, the US is not, and even if it were, it is HIGHLY FUCKING UNLIKELY that anything of the sort would happen, since only about 40 people since the US was founded have been convicted of treason:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
Yes, even Walker Lindh did not qualify. Sorry, guys.
"Man, I LOVE it the wat you rednecks play dumb, and then suddenly get smart again when making the case that the US has never lost a war, by playing on the point that the US never actually formally declared war on Vietnam."
I've never heard someone make that claim Bruno. Guess I don't hang with the same class of folks you do.
"probably because of Marion's asskicking that she delivered to your behinds"
Those redneck friends of yours have been passing sharing the crack pipe,eh Bruno?
Bruno, Khalilzad sent the message you describe to Jaafari long after it was clear that he couldn't persuade 50% of Iraqi Assembly members to vote for him. Iraq was tearing apart after the Sammara mosque bombings, and Khalilzad desperately wanted the Iraqi Assembly to nominate a government that was at least partly acceptable to Sunni Arabs and Kurds in the hopes that it might be able to tamp down on the violence.
I would emphasize that Muqtada proposed and supported Maliki as a compromise candidate. Maliki was the chief right hand man of Jaafari, and #2 official in the Dawa party. Maliki was the most acceptable possible PM for Jaafari.
"....Muqtada selected Maliki as a compromise replacement for Jaafari. Khamenei signed of on Maliki as did the Najaf Marjeeya. If they were okay with Maliki, why do you oppose Maliki? You do know that Maliki was based in Syria while fighting Saddam as a leader of the Iraqi resistance. Maliki worked closely with Hezbollah and Nasrallah. Dawa (created in part by Khomeini by the way) helped Hezbollah in Lebanon, while Hezbollah helped Dawa fight Saddam. Maliki and Nasrallah were at the center of this nexus.
Don’t you trust Hassan Nasrallah. If Nasrallah backs his old friend Maliki, why can’t you?"--anand
First of all anand, you once again are insinuating many things about me and my position based on my comment to Maury that Maliki was not elected by the Iraqi people but appointed
by the Iraqi National Assembly after Jaafari.
I am very curious as to where you get all of your inside information on Hezbollah, Nasrallah, Sistani, Khamenei, Khomeini, Dawah,etc. and all of these alleged links and deals between them....
Do you get your inside info. from a Jihadi website?
I would be very interested in checking out your sources of information since you appear to be better informed than I am, as a Shia, as to the different alliances and agreements between the different Shia groups and leaders within Iran/Iraq/and Lebanon ....
Marion, please use google to look this up on your own. You are likely to question any sources I bring up.
A quick google search brought up:
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogd...irs/
004648.html
My understanding is that Maliki, since he was based in Syria, was closer to Hezbollah than the Dawa/ISCI/Badr/Iraqi resistance leaders based in Iran, Jordan, the Gulf, London etc.
Consider googling about how the Dawa party was formed (there is a connection to Khomeini.) There are also close connections between Dawa and ISCI, and the Nafaj Marjeeya.
Consider asking your friends at Quom about it.
You are aware that Nasrallah studied in Najaf under the old Sadr. Nasrallah also knew Sistani pretty well during his time in Najaf.
http://
gorillasguides.blogspot.c...obiography.html
[marion] "I would be very interested in checking out your sources of information."
That would be the longwarjournal.com, if I remember correctly. Interesting enough site, so long as you don't succumb to the ideological seepage
Maury --
Is that it?
Good.
Let's let the matter lie, shall we?
(And I'll not engage in more merciless mockery of some of the military geniuses that inhabit this site.)
[marion] "I would be very interested in checking out your sources of information."
That would be the longwarjournal.com, if I remember correctly. Interesting enough site, so long as you don't succumb to the ideological seepage
Maury --
Is that it?
Good.
Let's let the matter lie, shall we?
(And I'll not engage in more merciless mockery of some of the military geniuses that inhabit this site.)
"based on my comment to Maury that Maliki was not elected by the Iraqi people but appointed
by the Iraqi National Assembly after Jaafari."
But the voters selected the assembly that chose Maliki. It doesn't matter who their first choice was,because that first choice failed to gather a majority of votes. That's how the system works Marion. To suggest the government will fall because America leaves shows just how deluded Arab Advocate is.
Did any body watch the politicized interview with President George Bush at the Olympics last night on NBC?
While they mentioned China's human rights abuses, the President stressed how important it is to keep the lines of communication and cooperation open to the Communist, economic and nuclear powerhouse, U.N. Security Counsel veto holder China, yet little ole non-nuclear, non-powerhouse, non-veto holder Iran must be dealt with according to a different standard all together which is based on their apparent weaknesses and not strengths.....
EXCERPT from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r.../20080811.html:
"Q -- with an abysmal human rights record. In the long run, is China's rise irreconcilable with America's interests?
THE PRESIDENT: No. In the long run, America better remain engaged with China, and understand that we can have a cooperative and constructive, yet candid relationship. It's really important for future Presidents to understand the relationship between China and the region, and it's important to make sure that America is engaged with China -- even though we may have some disagreements.
Q You met with President Hu Jintao not just at the Opening Ceremony, but privately since then. Did you press him on the full array of American concerns -- human rights, press freedom, Tibet, China's support of rogue regimes like Sudan and Myanmar?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes -- and North Korea, and Iran.
Q It was all on the table?
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, absolutely, every time -- every time. And you got to understand something, Bob, I don't need the Olympics to advance America's agenda. I've met with Hu Jintao a lot since I have been the President. And, yes, I had a full range -- listen, we agree with them on a lot of things. And we disagree with them on things. And that's the way the relationship is going to be. It needs to be, as I mentioned, constructive and cooperative..... "
There really IS a Jew behind you Marion!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...isibility_cloak
The interviewer Bob Costas asked Bush what he said to Putin at the Olympics:
"....
Q Moving away from China for just a second. During the Opening Ceremony we saw you conferring with Vladimir Putin.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q We now know you were talking about the conflict that had erupted that day --
THE PRESIDENT: That's true.
Q -- between Russia and Georgia. Now, Georgia is a former Soviet republic that is sympathetic to the West --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q -- and that is attempting to embody many Western values. But just as you need China, you need Russia strategically around the globe. You got to walk a fine line. What did you say to Putin?
THE PRESIDENT: I said this violence is unacceptable -- I not only said it to Vladimir Putin, I've said it to the President of the country, Dmitriy Medvedev. And my administration has been engaged with both sides in this, trying to get a cease-fire, and saying that the status quo ante for all troops should be August 6th. And, look, I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia and that we strongly condemn bombing outside of South Ossetia.
It was just interesting to me that here we are trying to promote peace and harmony and we're witnessing a conflict take place.
Q Right, no Olympic truce in this case.
THE PRESIDENT: There wasn't. And I was very firm with Vladimir Putin -- he and I have got a good relationship -- just like I was firm with the Russian President. And hopefully this will get resolved peacefully. There needs to be a international mediation there for the South Ossetia issue....."
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I can't help but look back at the summer of 2006 war and Israel's disproportionate response after the Hezbollah border operation.....
Where were you and your grave concerns over Israel's disproportionate response President Bush...?
How about our disproportionate U.S. "Shock and Awe" preemptive attack and invasion of Iraq, which helped set a precedent to certain other countries of the world such as Russia as to how to deal with their interests, oh wise President...?
"There really IS a Jew behind you Marion!"--Maury
Do you think that by posting that insinuating comment followed by a link to an article about an invisible cloak, it would bother me Maury?
Or that I would or others here would find it funny..?
Why do you insist in insinuating it is Jews behind the invisible cloak Maury...?
Georgia-Russia Clash: American Culpability and the Kosovo Connection
"Dimitri Simes, President of the Nixon Center, was one of the leading foreign policy experts in Washington to predict some kind of hot clash between the former Soviet state of Georgia and Russia involving the autonomous provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia at the time Kosovo declared its independence. My colleague Anatol Lieven was another.
In coordination with The National Interest, I have asked Simes to offer guest commentary here at The Washington Note on what many Georgians and Russians are calling a "war". I expect to post his thoughts on Monday.
My own view is that the U.S. has displayed a reckless disregard for Russian interests for some time. I don't like Russia's swing to greater domestic authoritarianism and worry about its stiffened posture on a number of international fronts -- but Simes convinces me in his important Foreign Affairs essay, "Losing Russia," that much of what we are seeing unfold between Russia and Georgia involves a high quotient of American culpability.
When Kosovo declared independence and the US and other European states recognized it -- thus sidestepping Russia's veto in the United Nations Security Council -- many of us believed that the price for Russian cooperation in other major global problems just went much higher and that the chance of a clash over Georgia's breakaway border provinces increased dramatically...."
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com...eorgiarussia_c/
bruno,
why don't you have your
own blog?
just a ?...
marion,do U have one?
Some articles of interest concerning the Russia/Georgian conflict:
From Stupid to Moronic to Evil
By Paul Craig Robert for OpEdNews
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co...ic-to-
evil.html
The Vineyard Saker blog also happens to be an excellent source of information that gives up to date accounts of the conflict, as well as, analysis...
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Georgia-Russia Clash: American Culpability and the Kosovo Connection
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com...eorgiarussia_c/
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Open Letter: Bush Should Urge Investigation into November 7 Violence
http://hrw.org/english/docs/
2008...georgi18306.htm
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Israel to sell Georgia only 'defensive' weapons
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
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$1b of Israeli investment at risk in Georgia
There is concern that Israeli arms sales to Georgia may upset the Russians.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/...370059&
fid=1725
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War in Georgia: The Israeli connection
For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3580136,00.html
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'Inspired' by Israel, Georgia's FM seeks closer strategic ties
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
915881.html
*****
Israel plays down defense ties with Georgia
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/...ing/
109863.html
Correct. Legally, for punishment of war-time evils by war time standards, the state has to be at war, meaning a formal declaration of that state of affairs.
Sheer stupidity. The US Constitution does not even have a mechanism for a "formal Declaration of War", Bruno. Did you just make that up? Yes. Yes, you did! :P
I can see now why you prefer copy paste. That way you can use the arguments of people who actually have a reasonably high IQ.
Cute the way you thing Russia's naked aggression requires "analysis" too! Have you no shame, Bruno? None at all?
Now we get to see just how despicable Marion and Bruno really are. Not just retarded, but evil. Flat out. Leftists at least have their own "morality" that they make a token effort to adhere to. Not so with Marion and Bruno. They are complete whores when it comes to progressing their own personal agendas.
Distorted history boasts of bellicose glory . . . and seduces the souls of boys to seek mystical bliss in bloodshed and in battles.
– Alfred Adler
[marion] "I can't help but look back at the summer of 2006 war and Israel's disproportionate response after the Hezbollah border operation....."
Excellent point. The Amreeki were stressing that "this is war" and that anything goes.
[craig] "Now we get to see just how despicable Marion and Bruno really are. Not just retarded, but evil. Flat out. "
EEEEEEEVILLL!
EEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVIIIILLL!
Craig cracks me up.
Couple his woeful intellectual capacities with his dramatic hyperbole, and we have a real laff-riot.
Against attack on Iran - international Jewish reaction to Morris
Stanley Heller, Prof. Dr. Fanny-Michaela Reisin, Abraham Weizfeld (initiators)
The following statement is in response to the piece by Benny Morris on Iran published in the New York Times of July 18th. The international Jewish opposition has signed a statement to oppose this piece of logic, analysis and intention. There are 14 countries and 113 signers from all over the world. Notably among the singers is Prof. Noam Chomsky. The statement is circulating in French, German, and Arabic in addition to English.
Media Communiquי 2008-08-11
For immediate release
International
~~~~~~~~~
Jewish International Opposition Statement Against Attack on Iran
http://www.kibush.co.il/show_fil...e.asp?
num=28477
Abkhazia, Ossetia and Iran – Risks of Spreading Conflicts
http://www.metimes.com/Internati...conflicts/3505/
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SPECIAL REPORT: Kuwait Readying for War in Gulf?
http://www.metimes.com/Internati...r_in_gulf/7724/
Jews are generally pretty clever.
Israelis, maybe not quite as much.
I here Jews float in water.
Can you believe that Georgia wanted to be a free independent nation? They even tried to get America and the Jews to help them. They need to learn that they are the subjects to communist tyranny and always will be. Do you think Russia taught them a good lesson?
You are there and Jews float in water?
Huh?
[aton] "Do you think Russia taught them a good lesson?"
Russia gave them an asswhipping, that's for sure. (But then, it was fairly obvious that this was going to happen, except to the military geniuses like Maury.)
See, that's what happens when your army is trained by Americans.
Cool Bruno, how is everything in South Africa. I’ve heard you've been holding foreigners in detention camps?
"Or that I would or others here would find it funny..?" -Marion
I thought it was hilarious. And your response was even better.
"Couple his woeful intellectual capacities with his dramatic hyperbole, and we have a real laff-riot." -Bruno
You know what I like about you Bruno? You use the word 'hyperbole' correctly and sparingly.
here = hear
Bruno and Marion's cheerleading for Russia's brutal Milosevic style agression against Georgia shows how much they admire bullies like Putin and Saddam. Both are really beneath contempt.
Mojo, I finally got to see that re-enactment of Saddam's capture this past weekend at the library. (My workplace blocks acess to most videos such as youtube. For some reason they think I and my fellow workers would spend too much of time watching videos instead of working. dry comment) The re-enactment was awfully good. It let you understand what a profound joy it was for Iraqis opposed Saddam to have him captured and what it meant especially for the Iraqi interpretor who was part of apprending Saddam in his hole.
See, that's what happens when your army is trained by Americans.
No, that's what happens when your Army is only 20k soldiers. And you get attacked by the third most powerful military in the world. Leave it to bruno to characterize that as a "good" thing, eh?
It's a crying shame the Russians didn't teach Kosovars the same lesson, isn't it Bruno?
" Jews are generally pretty clever.
Israelis, maybe not quite as much.
Bruno | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 9:26 am | # "
Bruno, why do you hate Israelis? Have you ever met an Israeli that wasn't far smarter than you? I haven't.
"Jews are generally pretty clever.
Israelis, maybe not quite as much.
Bruno | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 9:26 am | # "
Ever met an Israel who wasn't smarter than you? I haven't.
" [aton] "Do you think Russia taught them a good lesson?"
Russia gave them an asswhipping, that's for sure. (But then, it was fairly obvious that this was going to happen, except to the military geniuses like Maury.)
See, that's what happens when your army is trained by Americans.
Bruno | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 10:14 am | # "
Oh my God.
"But then, it was fairly obvious that this was going to happen, except to the military geniuses like Maury"
Actually,Maury told you EXACTLY what was going to happen Bruno. Shall we refresh?
"Georgia isn't Chechnya. Russia will have their hands full with Georgia's tiny army."
Did Russia conquer Georgia or install a pro-Russian government,like they did in Chechnya? I didn't think so...
"Putin can piddle fart around for another month or so,but then the mountain pass Russia used to gets its troops in snows over. Putin would be wise to pound his chest and get the flock out of there."
Putin has finished pounding his chest Bruno and Georgia is still intact. The "military genius" told you EXACTLY what would happen Bruno. Not that that'll keep you from snickering like a shithead.
[david] "Bruno and Marion's cheerleading for Russia's brutal Milosevic style agression against Georgia shows how much they admire bullies like Putin and Saddam."
Gee, David, maybe you should read again. Maybe, my post was in response to another poster who wanted to know whether Russia gave Georgia a lesson or not. Maybe, I posted correctly that yes, it had.
[bruno] "See, that's what happens when your army is trained by Americans."
[craig] "No, that's what happens when your Army is only 20k soldiers. And you get attacked by the third most powerful military in the world."
Gosh Craig, you might have a point.
Except for, the lil' ol' Chechens were attacked by Russia too, and gave it seven shades of hell before the Russians finally won. Except for, when (American trained) Georgian troops were attacked by Abkhazi forces ... who are NOT the third largest military in the world and who are, in fact, a smaller entity than Georgia ... said Georgian troops ran like hell. Heck, the Abkhazi are still laughing about it. You want the link?
[craig] "Leave it to bruno to characterize that as a "good" thing, eh?"
I did? Where did I do that, Craig? Are you hitting the booze again?
[craig] "It's a crying shame the Russians didn't teach Kosovars the same lesson, isn't it Bruno?"
HUH? You really DON'T have a clue, do you?
Yeah, uh, Craig ... please stick to programming. Your ideas on foreign affairs are just a little misinformed.
[maury] "Actually,Maury told you EXACTLY what was going to happen Bruno. Shall we refresh? "Georgia isn't Chechnya. Russia will have their hands full with Georgia's tiny army."
Where did they "have their hands full", Maury? Where? Catching the fleeing Georgians might have been difficult, I agree.
[maury] "Did Russia conquer Georgia or install a pro-Russian government,like they did in Chechnya? I didn't think so..."
Was that a Russian aim?
Uh, no it wasn't, Maury.
Therefore, your point is ... pointless.
Russian aims were to chase the Georgians out of South Ossetia, which it did with almost boring ease. Perhaps you should have a chat with Craig. He at least seems to have a grip on who WON this little clash. You are so far off base you'll need a compass to find your way back.
Here's a link for MAURY, who can't seem to get a grip on the situation:
"Russian troops have already routed Georgian forces in the breakaway region South Ossetia. Now, Moscow has seized Georgia's military base at Senaki. The Russians have issued an ultimatum to Georgia's military to surrender in and around the pro-Russian separatist enclave of Abkhazia, the New York Times reports. And everybody is wondering whether "whether Russia... will push beyond these regions and further into Georgia." [UPDATE: Actually, that's been answered; Russian armored vehicles have rolled a full 25 miles into Georgian territory.]"
http://blog.wired.com/defense/20...a-issued-
a.html
Clearly then, according to MAURY, this is a clear victory for the Georgians. Wow! Those Russians won't try THAT again, will they?
Get a grip, Maury.
The WAR NERD has a fresh look at the conflict: How Russia won the shooting but lost the propaganda war:
http://exiledonline.com/the-cnn-...mation-warfare/
I'll buy that.
Correction: That was Yasha, not Brecher.
Yeah, uh, Craig ... please stick to programming. Your ideas on foreign affairs are just a little misinformed.
Bruno, you don't even have a clue what's going on in South Africa, the country you live :P
Except for, when (American trained) Georgian troops were attacked by Abkhazi forces ... who are NOT the third largest military in the world and who are, in fact, a smaller entity than Georgia ... said Georgian troops ran like hell.
US trained troops seem to have done a pretty good job of kicking the nsot out of your resistance fighters in Iraq, though. Not that I'm crediting your claim about Abkhazi vs Georgian troops... I'm sure you hadn't ever even heard the word "Abkhazi" until you looked it up on the internet a couple days ago, right? And we all know about the "high quality" of your sources, don't we? :P
[craig] "Leave it to bruno to characterize that as a "good" thing, eh?"
[bruno]I did? Where did I do that, Craig? Are you hitting the booze again?
Well, you just did it again in that comment. Do you really think anyone can't detect the gleeful tone in your commenting when your dick has gotten hard due to somebody else's suffering? We've all seen you doing this gloating about the successes of the Iraqi insurgents for years, dude. Your tone has been conspicuously changed for the last 6 months or so, but it seems you have found something else to get your cheap thrills from now, right?
"Russian aims were to chase the Georgians out of South Ossetia, which it did with almost boring ease."
Except that Russia was in Georgia proper when I commented Monday Bruno.
"Russian forces for the first time moved well outside the two restive, pro-Russian provinces claimed by Georgia that lie at the heart of the dispute. An Associated Press reporter saw Russian troops in control of government buildings in this town just miles from the frontier and Russian troops were reported in nearby Senaki.
Georgia's president said his country had been sliced in half with the capture of a critical highway crossroads near the central city of Gori, and Russian warplanes launched new air raids across the country."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
ne...0,2297740.story
When I made my comments,Russia was attacking Georgia on two fronts,and Putin had demanded the Presidents' resignation...hence my comparison with Chechnya.
"Where did they "have their hands full", Maury? Where?"
Georgia chose to defend its capital,which Russia wisely left alone. What would your game plan be if your army was outmatched 20-1 Bruno? Didn't I say "Putin would be wise to pound his chest and get the flock out of there"?
TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Russian tanks have returned to the Georgian city of Gori, but only to help facilitate the pullout of their forces, Georgia's Interior Ministry says.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/
WORL...ref=mpstoryview
craig: "Not that I'm crediting your claim about Abkhazi vs Georgian troops"
"To the west, Russian-backed Abkhazian separatists pushed Georgian troops out of Abkhazia and even moved into Georgian territory itself, defiantly planting a flag over the Inguri River and laughing that retreating Georgians had received "American training in running away.""
http://www.chron.com/disp/story....ld/
5940524.html
AAaaawwww. Craig sucks again.
[craig] "I'm sure you hadn't ever even heard the word "Abkhazi" until you looked it up on the internet a couple days ago, right?"
Actually, wrong again. However, I don't pretend to be an expert on this particular conflict. That's why I prefer to research the topic before opening my yap, unlike you lot which just say any old thing that floats into your heads. However, my passing knowledge seems to be better than your expert opinion, time and again.
I refer:
[craig] "It's a crying shame the Russians didn't teach Kosovars the same lesson, isn't it Bruno?"
That should entertain me for a while, Craig. Yeah, the global ignorance of the yanks is not legendary for no reason ...
Maury posts a description of a comprehensive rout of the Georgians by Russia and pretends he has some sort of a point.
My work here is done.
[craig] "Leave it to bruno to characterize that as a "good" thing, eh?"
[bruno]I did? Where did I do that, Craig? Are you hitting the booze again?
[craig] "Well, you just did it again in that comment.
Sorry, son, I still don't see it. Maybe you want to try quoting me.
[craig] "Your tone has been conspicuously changed for the last 6 months or so"
Nope. Same tone. You're getting all excited for nothing.
"Maury posts a description of a comprehensive rout of the Georgians by Russia and pretends he has some sort of a point."
You know damn well I was talking about the futility of any Russian effort to subjugate Georgia the way they have Chechnya Bruno. Hence my reference to Chechnya and the mountain pass that will snow over a month from now.
"My work here is done."
I hate snickering shitheads. Especially when they're always wrong.
Tell us again, Maury, how Hitler won WW2?
Maury "This is victory"
"Georgia authorities Thursday said Russian forces were continuing to destroy Georgia's military facilities. The internet agency Civil Georgia cited Georgian border guards as saying that Russian soldiers had again entered the Black Sea port city of Poti to render unusable the radar facilities there. Meanwhile Georgian radio said that in the city of Senaki, near the border with the breakaway province Abkhazia, Russian troops had cleared out Georgian munitions depots, with loud explosions being heard. The radio's reporter surmised that part of the munitions were being destroyed."
http://www.earthtimes.org/
articl...facilities.html
(snicker)
[maury] "You know damn well I was talking about the futility of any Russian effort to subjugate Georgia the way they have Chechnya Bruno."
No, actually I don't know that. That's a different argument altogether, and frankly doesn't fit into how I understood the context of your statement.
If you want to take that position, fine.
I reckon Russia could still do it, but subduing a country is a whole different proposition than winning an invasion battle.
As they found out in Chechnya and as the US found out in Iraq.
"Tell us again, Maury, how Hitler won WW2?"
The same way your terrorist hewoes won in Iraq Bruno....
I disagree that (a) The American invaders are my heroes and (b) that they have "won" anything in Iraq.
Remember to pay your taxes, Maury.
Sahwa needs paying, or their trigger fingers get itchy ...
Bruno's orgaistic delight in Russia's brutal aggression against Georgia reveals him as a true bully.
Bruno is jealous that both the Georgian army and the Iraqi Army (that the Georgians helped train, especially in mortars) could wipe the mat with his Africaaner army soldiers.
"This is victory" blah blah blah...
So what was that you were saying about the US winning in Iraq in 2003, Bruno? :P
Sometimes I really wonder about your mental state. Nobody could make such blatantly hypocritical comments if they were completely sane.
[anand] "Bruno is jealous that both the Georgian army and the Iraqi Army (that the Georgians helped train, especially in mortars) could wipe the mat with"
(ANYbody?)
[anand] "his Africaaner army soldiers."
1: It is spelt with a "k"
2: I'm not Afrikaans.
3:
4: The evil Afrikaaners have been hired in their thousands by the US for duty in Iraq as mercenaries. That's because American wingnut pussies are too weak and cowardly to fight their own wars. Maybe you should check your facts.
oh, and
5: Your much - touted MRAP vehicle is a modification of an ancient Afrikaaner - designed vehicle dating from the 1970's called the Casspir. Fucking pathetic that a military with a budget the size of African GNP has to come to Africa to copy old African technology because your geniuses at DARPA can't even work out how to deal with landmines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casspir
I laugh in your faces.
The IA and Georgian army could kick your butt any day Bruno. Have you ever wondered why the mere throught of them makes you tremble with fear?
Bruno knows where the MRAP came from.
Craig, this proves my point. Bruno makes errors of commission. Marion makes errors of ommission.
I doubt Marion knows much about MRAPs.
(The US military is up armoring, upgrading and refurbishing about 10,000 Humvees free of cost for the ISF. These Humvees in the US military will be replaced by the MRAPS.)
Bruno, I blow my nose in your general direction!
(This is from Monty Python's "Search for the Holy Grail".)
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