Mojo,
Thanks for that clip. Very interesting. It was great to have Samir's commentrary as they re-created the event in which he was a key player. It's stunning to think that they were standing right on top of Saddam's bunker and very nearly missed finding him. It was funny when Saddam reached out one hand at a time and Samir had to tell him to show BOTH hands at the same time.
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I wish I was there!
Mojo,
I'll never forget that day.
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“The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them. This is the real moral behind Israel’s Torah and we must not feel guilty due to foreign morals,” he was quoted as saying by the Hebrew newspaper Ma’ariv in 2004.
“A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail.”
Lior is not a marginal figure in the Zionist religious establishment.
I asked Rabbi Menachem Froman, who himself has taught at Merkaz Harav, about Lior’s religious credentials and he told me that the man “is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah.”
Earlier this year, Rabbi David Batsri told followers that “it is impossible to mix the pure with the impure. They (the Arabs) are a blight, a devil, a disaster. The Arabs are donkeys, and we have to ask ourselves why God didn’t create them to walk on all four. Well, the answer is that they are needed to build and clean. They don’t have any place in our school.”
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/...W5v2XBQWQPPU%
3d
Established in honor of Rabbi Abraham Kook, Israel’s first rabbi, the center, which is actually a religious college, teaches students that God Almighty created the entire universe for the sake of “the Jew,” and that all non-Jews ought to be slaves laboring for the “chosen people.”
Sometimes, what's good for the Jew is good for the Iraqi.
I read that the Iraqi parliament is supposed to reconsider a new elections law today. If anyone sees any reports on it, please post links.
If Saddam had gone into hiding with Al-Douri,we'd probably still be looking for him.
"Saddam Hussein's former deputy predicted that US troops will leave Iraq by the end of 2008, according to an audio recording broadcast by the Dubai-based television network, Al-Arabiya."
http://ukpress.google.com/
articl...h9aUbFyBSbG7wUQ
The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.
George Orwell
English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 - 1950)
I think Al-Douri might be right about combat troops being out by the end of the year. I can't see Parliament passing anything between now and then. Maybe that's why Iraq put in for the big arms purchases last week.
"The list of items requested by Iraq is long but to name a few, it includes 24 armed helicopters, hellfire missiles, hundreds of various vehicles (engineering, transportation, light armored vehicles and evacuation) 1,200 mortar systems, machineguns of various calibers, radio systems, anti-tank systems, 6 C-130J aircraft and above all, 140 M1A1 Abrams tanks."
http://
iraqthemodel.blogspot.com...el_archive.html
"The Iraqi military announced it captured 265 suspected al Qaeda fighters during operations from July 29 through Aug. 2. Five members of al Qaeda's provincial shura, or executive council, were captured during this timeframe.
Iraqi troops captured Qussai Ali Khalaf, the leader of al Qaeda's Islamic State in Iraq in Diyala province; Adnan Gumer Mohammed, the provincial "judge"; Ahmed Quasim Jabbar the provincial military commander; Abu Anas al Baghdadi, "a top al-Qaeda operative in Diyala"; Basem al Safaah, who led sectarian attacks against Shia; and Antisar Khudair a woman who recruited female suicide bombers. Al Qaeda has stepped up female suicide attacks in an effort to bypass increased security."
http://www.longwarjournal.org/
ar..._375_suspec.php
"The Mahdi Army's makeover is at least partly a reaction to the loss of popular support. Previously, many Iraqis blamed the U.S. and the Iraqi government for fighting that erupted with the militia, but in the most recent battles that began in March, many residents turned against the militia because they were fed up with its criminal and violent activities, including kidnapping and smuggling."
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...p_us_whats_news
Let us do a province by province analysis in Iraq:
All 10 PIC provinces are operational overwatch or strategic overwatch.
Strategic Overwatch: Wasit, Sulamaniya, Dahuk, Najaf
Operational Overwatch but near Strategic overwatch: Karbala
Operational Overwatch: Quadisiyah and the four sourthern provinces
NON PIC:
Technical and de jure tactical overwatch but de facto PIC and operational overwatch:
-At Tamin (Kirkuk)
-Al Anbar (Ramadi/Falluja
{politics is the only obstacle to PIC for these two provinces}
Tactical Overwatch but near strategic overwatch:
-Babil (weeks away from PIC)
-Wassit (weeks away from PIC)
-Ninevah (a few months from PIC)
Tactical overwatch:
-Diyala
-the large majority of Baghdad and Salahadin province
Partnership:
-Baghdad {because of ISF diversion to elsewhere in the country}
-Salahadin {because of ISF diversion to elsewhere in the country}
Baghdad and Salahadin complete their transition to tactical overwatch in 5 months, and PIC/operational overwatch in 8 months.
8 months from now, all of Iraq will be PIC and operational or strategic overwatch under stay the course.
All of Iraq is planned to be strategic overwatch two years from now. (with the exception of operational overwatch for tactical air support, the Iraqi air force, maintenance of a minority of new weapons platforms, and possibly medivac.)
This is the current plan. Marion, please present your plan. Your own Khamenei's Iraqi friends and partners all call for at best a timetable based on a timetable for the ISF. Even Khamenei himself doesn't disagree with this. His representatives have called for a time table even if it isn't short. Their de facto position is a long timetable based on ISF capabilities.
Marion favors a rapid transition of each province to strategic overwatch but presents no plan to achieve it. She reminds me of Muqtada who rails against occupation, demands a timetable for withdrawal linked to a timetable for training and equipping the ISF; while simultaneously angrily demanding much more MNF training and equipping for the ISF.
Marion, is this your position?
" hmmm... " who goes by many names, is this your position?
Mojo, our mutual friend "Hmmm" referenced a post by Angry Arab:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...?
src=hsr#299359
I noticed that Angry Arab couldn't help but splurt out a low blow slander against the ISF.
What is it with so many non Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Are they all anti-Iraqi racists? Why do they hate the Iraqi army so much? Are they afraid of the IA? Jealous? Are they jealous that their country's army is not as high quality as the Iraqi army? Are they jealous that they don't measure up personally against the men of the Iraqi army? Does the thought that real men serve in the Iraqi army intimidate them?
Iraq Wants Withdrawal Timetable In U.S. Pact
Speaking to reporters in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said his government was "IMPATIENTLY WAITING" for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8070801311.html
"If the occupation forces leave today, the situation will improve tomorrow for two reasons," said Nasar al-Rubaie, a senior Sadrist member of parliament. "The first is that the occupation is like a magnet for terrorism."
said Nasar al-Rubaie, a senior Sadrist member of parliament
:D
Hmmm, Mojo's Dad likes Rubaie. Rubaie is talking about US troops leaving by 2011 or 2012.
Maliki is talking about US combat troops leaving by the end of 2010.
Both Rubaie and Maliki want a long term commitment to train and equip the ISF.
Why do you oppose the US training the ISF?
Do you realize that the commanding general of the Indian airforce was a British officer until 8 years after India's independence?
Why are Iraqis and their army held to a higher standard than everyone else in the world?
hmmm sounds familar. Could he be Angry Arab? or maybe Layla Anwar?
Israeli actor, Yigal Naor, stars as Saddam in BBC/HBO mini-series, "House of Saddam" which premiered in Britain last Wednesday. Several other Israeli actors including Sasson Gabai, Uri Gavriel and Makram Khouri also have roles in this series which has gathered mostly good reviews. Read the whole story at http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3577744,00.html
Have to say that group photo from the series of Saddam and his family has me humming the theme from "The Godfather"!
"All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. "
George Orwell
Hmmm, I post quotes.
[anand] "What is it with so many non Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Are they all anti-Iraqi racists?"
What is it with a particular non-Iraqi Hindu Indian/American? Does he have some strange need to validate himself through the men of Iraq? Is he inadequate?
What is it with a particular non-Iraqi Hindu Indian/American? Does he have some strange need to validate himself through the men of Iraq? Is he inadequate?
Interesting question, whitey. I bet you've felt pretty emasculated since the darkies took over down there in South Africa, no?
Craig, someone is devastated that the Iraqi army defeated the Sunni Jarab 6arab Ba3this and Takfiris. Someone is inconsolable that the Iraqi army defeated their precious "resistance."
Bruno
Why, Craig, I'm sure that SA whites don't feel nearly as emasculated as US Marines, who got their balls blown off (literally) in Lebanon. What a pity that the mighty marines are reduced to paying Iraqis not to hurt them in Iraq.
Gee, it must suck to cough up cash every month to a bunch of jihadis, right?
Sometimes I wonder why Bruno does not simply choke on his own bile.
"Gee, it must suck to cough up cash every month to a bunch of jihadis, right?" -Bruno
No, not at all. America is rich. Marines in the field are expensive. Paying Iraqis to defend themselves is cheap.
And the lives saved are invaluable.
God, Bruno is such a low-life.
Alton,
naw,he is a high life 
Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological anti-Americanism. His virulent hatred of the United States is attested each day in the Iraqi blogosphere (I guess the Afrikaner thinks that we're a mongrel nation, as Hitler did). With the triumph of the Americans in Iraq, after five years of tough choices, dark days, and hard fighting, Bruno has now begun to retreat to fantasyland. Today, at Zeyad's, he was reduced to throwing quotation marks around an accident in Iraq in which two American soldiers died.
[Bruno] 2 US soldiers killed in "vehicular accidents"
For close to three weeks in a row Bruno woke up every day and the first thing he did was check to see if any Americans had died in Iraq. But damn! Not a one. One can only imagine how pissed off he was. And now he's stooping to suggesting that non-hostile deaths in Iraq were possibly hostile -- fingers crossed. It doesn't get more pathetic than that, people. Of course, he'll never mention Operation Iraqi Freedom (21 days from half a world away), Fallujah II (total defeat for the jihadis), or how Petraeus flipped Anbar and got the Iraqi army to join him in defeating Muqtada's Mahdi militia. Believe it or not, Bruno is still cheerleading for Muqty (you know, the slime-toothed fatso sitting in Qom).
Meanwhile, Lee C. is ripping Bruno a new one that is large enough to allow the passage of a Brinks truck.
[Lee C.] I'm curious Bruno. You white folks used to have the upper hand there in South Africa, but now you can't even get internet at home. You even got electricity? You got running water? After being among the elite 5%, after generations of privilege, advantaged by virtue or your race, how is it that you can't afford internet? Your daddy a drunk or a gambler or something? Blow the family fortune?
That's pretty funny. Good thing the Jo-burg public library has an internet connection, or stumblebum Bruno wouldn't be able to rail against the Americans.
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Looks like I got you pretty good with that one, Bruno :D
Muhannad,
What is the sound of one Iraqi clapping?
I'm looking forward to when the Discovery Channel has a reenactment of Satan greeting Grand Ayatollah Sistani, the Hakims, the Sadrs, 3/4s of the present Iraqi Shia leadership and their militias and their death squads, along with their Sunni counterparts in terrorism and insurgency.
And a great big hello to Steven Vincent, who is still dead, but still remembered after three years. Vincent is working on a sequel to In the Red Zone, called, From Sunni Supremacism to Shia Theocracy, and all for less than Three Trillion Dollars.
"Satan greeting Grand Ayatollah Sistani"
What is that suppose to mean?
"The next US president now has his exit ticket from Iraq. A new report shows that high oil prices are enabling the Iraqi Government to store up a huge budget surplus, but that it is spending US money on reconstruction far faster than its own."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle4472530.ece
"Al-Harithi's group recently succeeded in delaying the consummation of the marriage of a 10-year-old girl after getting reports from medical centers in Hail that she and a man in his 60s had showed up for the mandatory prenuptial medical tests."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26042107/
I didn't know KSA had a higher divorce rate than the USA. Imagine the divorce rate if women had any rights.
"Vincent is working on a sequel to In the Red Zone, called, From Sunni Supremacism to Shia Theocracy, and all for less than Three Trillion Dollars"
Mister Ghost, the Shia have always been in the middle in terms of supporting the new Iraq (according to polls), the most supportive attitudes come from the Kurds. How many Shia theocracies do you think that holds true for?
Mojo, consider a post on Irshad Manji's must read about why the muslim world "loves" America:
{I have been a huge fan of hers ever since she published her first book.}
http://www.irshadmanji.com/im-th...-speak-its-
name
http://www.irshadmanji.com/im-to...k-to-
understand
I agree with Irshad. Again, everyone should read this.
Sixty three years ago, 0.6 grams of enriched Uranium, light as a feather, was converted in to pure energy following Einstein's famous formula E = mc^2. That tremendous energy stored in that meager mass was enough to eliminate an entire city and tens of thousands of lives in a few blinks of a human eye.
Please then, take time tonight to reflect on what Einstein himself had to say about this turning point for humanity.
"The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one." - Albert Einstein
"Mohannad" and "Noor" are now the hottest babies' names in Saudi – even though the religious establishment has condemned the show. A top Saudi cleric forbade viewers from watching the "malicious" soap operas that "corrupt and spread vice" and has also declared that any TV station airing them is against God. This has put Saudi-owned Middle East Broadcasting Company (MBC), which airs the show three times a day, at loggerheads with Saudi religious leaders.
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/a...31/
1236952.aspx
K,
before i read your link...Did
Einstein say anything about
Insane Man?
Does it state that Iran still
thinks the Holocast was false?
Don't get me wrong...
He was a brilliant man in many
ways
Again Mojo,thanks for the video!!
Just so ya know bud,i had a heated
against my sister-in-laws brother
in law,at the end of a funeral trip
to Cheyenne about a week and a half
ago...
I had no idea this person was sooooo
far to the left...
first line of his...
Bush staged 9-11....
About a half hour later,he gave
up....
it started with me playing
Alan Jackson's toon...
Where were you when then the world
stopped turning.....on that sept.day...
Keep up the good word Mojo!
Andrea,
Einstein had very little to say about Iran, that is, according to Firoozeh Dumas in her wonderful book "Funny in Farsi". I don't have the quote in front of me but she claims he said that all he knew about Persia was that they had nice rugs and cats.
K,
Well i guess then i am blessed in
some ways...i have 2 cats,both black..
and a Persian huge rug i got when
my father passed on, in 1980,that was in our house years before that..
Its a majic carpet ride,some bad,but
alot of good. About 11 by 16 feet..
An ablong piece of work,fringe at either end,have to be carefull when
i vacum at each end
Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism.
His insane adulation of the United States is attested each day in the Iraqi blogosphere (I guess the mongrel thinks that he has a right to dictate to others how they should live and what they should think, simply because he is a American with Nazi roots). Despite the massive majority of Iraqis (99%) rejecting permanent occupation - the US aim - and 70-80% rejecting the current occupation, and the enormous struggle that Iraqis have undergone to rid themselves of the pestilential invader, he still imagines that America is welcomed there and that Americans should tell Iraqis how to think.
Jeffrey is being reduced to insanity and pretty much MAKING SHIT UP by the stress this has put on him. For example, he regularly states that I'm Afrikaans, white and either unemployed or in prison. All claims for which he has ZERO actual evidence.
How sad is it that his vitriolic anger can only be channelled by schizophrenic imaginings and stalking of people. Of course, Jeffrey has been warned off stalking other people, and indeed, appears to have undergone psychiatric counselling to overcome his problems. How sad is that? How credible IS this confused clown?
Of course, he'll never admit that Iraqis want Americans to leave Iraq, or that the American Occupation has been an UTTER FAILURE in almost every aspect but one: they are still there. He won't mention the LIES that the White House told about Iraq, be it the mythical WMD program or the spurious Al Qaeda connections, which, we learn lately through Suskind, the US was actually considering fabricating evidence for.
He won't mention the idiotic economic policies the US imposed, reducing Iraqis to utter poverty.
He won't mention the American attempts to abolish the basic food ration.
He won't mention the HIDING that US troops got, so much so that the US is reduced to paying TRIBUTE to the assorted sheikhs and resistance organisations in western Iraq.
He won't mention the DEATH SQUADS that the US set up and supported.
He won't mention that the moronic Neocon program to use Najaf to subvert Qom in fact backfired spectacularly and virtually handed the country to Iranian - founded parties.
No, he won't mention any of that because it would interfere with his mental image of the great white massah bringing civilisation back to the cradle of civilisation.
What a freak.
"Bruno wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism."
should, of course, be:
"Jeffrey wakes up every day with a mind controlled by his pathological pro-Americanism. "
The disconnect was pretty funny, though.
No, he won't mention any of that because it would interfere with his mental image of the great white massah bringing civilisation back to the cradle of civilisation
He won't mention it because it's bullshit propaganda you get from sites like antiwar.com and drink like milk from your mother's tits.
Here's what a minister of Iraq's elected government thinks of the "American occupiers".
WASHINGTON, July 29, 2008 – Iraq’s interior minister thanked U.S. servicemembers and their families for their sacrifices on behalf of his country during a visit with wounded U.S. troops at Walter Reed Army Medical Center here today.
Through an interpreter, Jawad al-Bulani told reporters that he wanted to convey his country’s “gratitude and appreciation for the sacrifices made by these great warrior-soldiers, in the freeing of the Iraqi people and in helping us in Iraq to recover from tyranny and dictatorship.”
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/...e.aspx?
id=50635
[luno] "Iraq’s interior minister thanked U.S. servicemembers and their families for their sacrifices on behalf of his country"
He's a PUPPET, you dumbfuck.
What ELSE was he going to say?
He's a PUPPET, you dumbfuck.
He was elected by the Iraqi people in free elections, buttwipe, so I'll take his opinion above yours.
Bruno,
The people you backed over the last five years in Iraq -- first the so-called Sunni insurgents and their AQI "friends," and then Muqty's Mahdi militia -- have all FOLDED. That's why you're pissed off. The US not only cleaned up Iraq's regular army in 21 days, but after some very tough times succeeded in conducting a very successful counter-insurgency.
Hey, let's talk Olympics, okay? Hm. Let's see. Since the beginning of the Olympics, how many medals have the Americans won?
United States:
GOLD: 897
SILVER: 693.5
BRONZE: 606.5
total: 2197
No other country even comes close.
South Africa:
GOLD: 20
SILVER: 23
BRONZE: 26
total: 69
Holy Hegemony, Batman! I guess the Afrikaners should have been focusing more on sports and less on how to keep the majority Black South Africans (through Apartheid) second-class citizens. Ya think?
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Continuing on with the debate this lone retard was having with the geniuses:
"Meanwhile, I will pressure the powers that be to make sure that Iran never produces more than 50 kg of highly enriched Uranium as long as they are ruled by people who listen to "god" more than to their own people. "--K
My response:
"A majority of Iranian people want nuclear energy K....so who is not listening to who?" -Marion
(K is irritated with my grammar errors, but does a lone retard really have time to use perfect grammar when she is debating a gang of geniuses?)
K's response:
"No Marion. You just don't know that. Polls are illegal in Iran. Free speech is illegal in Iran. You have no idea what the "majority of Iranian people want". Also, I don't care. They majority of Iranians, like you, probably don't realize that their religious rulers, who do not have majority popular support, can make a bomb with the same technology. They have been lied to, just like you."--K
As if George Bush, his administration, and our mainstream media has never lied to the American people numerous times.... Didn't we start the war on Iraq based on lies....?
You might be interested in reading the following Time's report:
Why Iran Won't Budge on Nukes
"When U.S. officials appeal to the Iranian people over the heads of its regime, they like to assume that Tehran's defiance on the nuclear issue reflects only the extremist position of an unrepresentative revolutionary leadership. Plainly, they haven't met Dr. Akbar Etemad, who ran the nuclear program of the Shah's regime, which was overthrown in the Islamic Revolution of 1979. The scientist who first launched Iran's nuclear technology program under a U.S.-backed regime in 1974 today urges the regime that stripped him of his job to reject any international demand that it halt uranium enrichment.
Dr. Etemad told an academic conference in Toronto last weekend, "Iran already stopped nuclear enrichment at the behest of Europe for more than a year [a reference to Tehran's suspension of enrichment between late 2003 and mid-2005, to allow negotiations with the European Union]. And what happened? Nothing......"
To be continued...
"....Iran delivered its response to the latest Western offer on the nuclear issue to E.U. officials in Brussels on Tuesday, and reportedly avoided any mention of a freeze on uranium enrichment. Britain, France and the U.S. have made clear that the consequence of Iran turning down the current offer will be a push for further U.N. sanctions against Tehran.
In an interview with TIME, the Swiss-educated scientist who lives in Paris and heads a group of prominent Iranian exiles that lobby against a military attack on Iran, said the solution to the nuclear standoff lay in re-establishing relations between Washington and Tehran. Although a senior U.S. diplomat joined the European-led delegation that met with Iranian officials in Geneva recently, Iran's response to the nuclear proposal may make it difficult for the Bush Administration to create a diplomatic opening.
Surprising as it may be to hear a member of the Shah's deposed regime support the stance of the Islamic Republic in a confrontation with the West, there is widespread concern among Iran experts that the current Western strategy of demanding that Iran forego the right to enrich uranium has created a diplomatic dead end...."
To be continued....
"....Writing in the International Herald Tribune last week, Trita Parsi, President of the National Iranian American Council, and analyst Anatol Lieven, argued that insisting Iran give up its right to any uranium enrichment is untenable, and instead suggested that the Western powers base their demands on the rights and limitations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty — which would allow the international community "to place a verifiable cap on Iranian enrichment and other nuclear capabilities well short of weaponization."
Dr. Etemad agrees that the NPT, which governs the peaceful pursuit of nuclear energy under the supervision of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency, holds the key. "The Americans, when they need the NPT, they talk about it; when they don't need it, they throw it away. You don't do that with an international treaty," he said. Iran is a signatory to the NPT, on the basis of which it is being held accountable by the United Nations Security Council over transparency issues. But the NPT allows signatories the right to enrich uranium, under IAEA supervision, for peaceful purposes. The U.S. and its allies fear that even building a peaceful enrichment capability would allow Iran to covertly produce weapons-grade materiel, and have argued that Tehran's violations of transparency and disclosure requirements of the NPT should mean it has forfeited its right to enrich uranium. But that argument has so far not been embraced by the U.N. or the IAEA, which reports there is "no evidence that Iran was working actively to build nuclear weapons."
Even though Iran's known uranium enrichment activities occur under the scrutiny of IAEA inspectors, the U.S. and its European allies and Israel suspect Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons capability. The charge infuriates Dr. Etemad. "With the Shah, we also came to the conclusion that Iran was in great need of nuclear energy because our population was steadily growing and our gas and oil will run out. That's why even though I was in the old regime, I should be fair to the new regime because they are following the same line. To speak frankly, with its bellicose behavior the West is pushing Iran towards nuclear weapons, even if they don't want them now."...."
To be continued....
"....The latest proposal from the Western powers hoped to break the deadlock by retreating from its demand that Iran shut down its enrichment activities as a precondition for talks. Instead, the new proposal suggests that Iran simply refrain from expanding its current enrichment program for six weeks, during which time the U.N. Security Council would refrain from imposing new sanctions. And in that "freeze-for-freeze" interim, the two sides would negotiate a more comprehensive deal. But there's no sign thus far that Tehran is prepared to accept even that proposal.
"The Europeans say stop enrichment and we'll talk, but the Iranians already did that and nothing happened," said Dr. Etemad. "At the time of the Shah, we signed contracts with both France and Germany and even then they didn't deliver. If I were in the current regime, I wouldn't trust the West. They don't even give Iran civilian airplane parts, which is costing hundreds of lives; why should they believe that they will give them enriched uranium?" If that's the position of a liberal critic of the regime, it's likely that the stance of the current Iranian leadership on the nuclear issue enjoys widespread support among Iranians.
To be sure, many Iranians also fear the consequences of continued defiance. "What if this hard line means war?" asked daytime-mechanic, nighttime-taxi driver Bahram, 24, in Tehran recently, echoing concerns heard from a number of ordinary Iranians.
"For years now, they are threatening us with an attack," Dr. Etemad said, adding, "This is humiliating. We are not ants," referring to an Esquire interview with Admiral William Fallon about Iran back in March, in which he is reported to have said, "These guys are ants. When the time comes, you crush them."
"If you're weak, they attack you," says the scientist. "If you're not weak, they won't attack you. We have to be a strong country and end these humiliating threats. And being strong means not listening to the foreigners." ".
http://www.time.com/time/world/
a...1829750,00.html
[luno] "He was elected by the Iraqi people in free elections, buttwipe"
Wrong, dickwad. The actual choice was VETOED by GWB. So much for a free democracy.
[jeffrey] "Hey, let's talk Olympics, okay?"
WTF Jeffrey is trying to prove here, nobody knows. What, that America deserves to rule the world because some yank managed to run fast? Sure, whatever.
Have another scotch. Yes, I know you've finished the first bottle, but crack open another, Okay? You know you want to.
Here's some Olympic news for the Noo Yawk prof:
"Iraq's successful Olympic football team has launched an outspoken attack on US President George W Bush. Midfielder Salih Sadir said the team - which won its group stage in Greece - was angry it had been used in Mr Bush's re-election campaign ads.
One accused the US leader of committing "many crimes", and another said he would be fighting US troops if not for Athens.
Their comments were made in a US Sports Illustrated magazine interview.
Salih Sadir said he was angry at Mr Bush's campaign adverts showing pictures of the Afghan and Iraqi flags with the words: "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations - and two fewer terrorist regimes".
"Iraq as a team does not want Mr Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," said the Iraqi player.
"He can find another way to advertise himself."
He called for US troops to be withdrawn from Iraq. "We don't wish for the presence of the Americans in our country. We want them to go away."
Another star player, 22-year-old Ahmed Manajid, asked: "How will [Mr Bush] meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women? He has committed so many crimes."
'Best people'
Mr Manajid, from Falluja - a hotbed of armed opposition to the US-led occupation in Iraq - said if he was not playing football "for sure" he would be fighting as part of the resistance.
"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" he asked.
"Everyone [in Falluja] has been labelled a terrorist. These are all lies. Falluja people are some of the best people in Iraq." "
http://www.theinsider.org/news/a...icle.asp?
id=559
Bruno,
That article is from 2004. What the hell, man. You could at least TRY to stay current, right?
By the way, since the Olympics began, here is Iraq's medal total:
Iraq:
GOLD: 0
SILVER: 0
BRONZE: 1
total: 1
That's not very good, of course. When Saddam talked about "Arab champions," he wasn't referring to the realm of sports, it seems. And if he were referring to military prowess, well, that certainly didn't happen either. In Gulf War I Iraqi soldiers were surrendering to Western journalists. Operation Iraqi Freedom ended in 21 days. The world was entertained -- at the expense of Iraqi honor -- by Baghdad Bob. That certainly didn't help the image of the Iraqi male around the world. And then we had Saddam shouting "Don't shoot, don't shoot" from his spiderhole. The entire Arab world cringed at that. Saddam's "Arab Lion" turned out to be a sheep in lion's clothing (heh heh).
Well, there are plenty of real Iraqis that demand respect, both in Iraq and here in the States, so let's hope the new Iraq will be more successful in future Olympics.
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"Double standard? Yes, I have a double standard. One standard is for free democratic allies of my nation."--K
The Palestinian's treatment by the Israelis would call Israel's standards into question as being a free Democratic nation....And what about all of the other so-called moderate by the U.S. Arab dictatorship nations in the region that are now looking into developing Nuclear energy?
"... The other standard is for theocratic dictatorships hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance which has been proven to bring prosperity to people who adopt it."--K
So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K? And what has it physically done thus far to provide proofs for these claims of yours....Are there Iranian ships and warplanes outside U.S. borders? Has Iran attacked and occupied a neighboring country to the U.S. while threatening to overthrow the U.S. government?
Oh but isn't that what we have been doing in the Middle East region...?
In reality it is the other way around, our country and/or Israel is hell bent on destroying Iran and its system of governance, wouldn't you agree K?
Bruno have you noticed how our opponents here tend to resort to off the wall accusations, labeling, name calling, and hyperbole in the attempt to undermine our arguments?
Some of them have called me antisemitic, retarded, a drug abuser, and even implied I am some kind of a blind religious nut....While they appear to think they are geniuses, yet they rely on each other and even need each other to debate with me ...LOL!
Considering how things are here, I think I would rather be a retard with a low IQ than a genius with a high IQ....
That article is from 2004. What the hell, man. You could at least TRY to stay current, right?
Bruno doesn't like the current news in Iraq though. The golden days for him in Iraq were 2 or 3 years ago. He's weird that way.
Considering how things are here, I think I would rather be a retard with a low IQ than a genius with a high IQ....
It's nice that you are so comfortable with your situation, Marion. I've heard before that stupid people are generally happier than smart people. Intelligent people tend to be worriers. And they do a lot of that inconvenient "thinking".
Marion, you are looking for sympathy from BRUNO about people calling you names!? :P
He's one of the most abusive people on the internet. Even worse than me!
Marion, I never made personal attacks on you until you started in on me. Don't start crying now. As for the "off the wall accusations" I proved one (as you demanded I should) last night. You ignored me. *shrug*
So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K?
Marion, you've never actually studied Khomeini's revolutionary ideology have you? This just keeps getting better and better!
When are you going to admit everything you know about Iran comes from Huffington post?
Craig,
Bruno doesn't like the current news in Iraq though. The golden days for him in Iraq were 2 or 3 years ago. He's weird that way.
Okay, that really got me laughing. Thanks, Craig. Bruno's tactical retreat is something to behold. And it's only going to get funnier as he flails around looking for a way to forget another American victory.
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Some recent examples of U.S. officials lying to the American people which helped lead to the war on Iraq:
Former FBI Official: After 9/11, White House Told FBI To Blame Anthrax Attacks On Al Qaeda
"Last week, Bruce Ivins, a government scientist who researched anthrax and was expected to be charged in connection with the 2001 attacks, reportedly committed suicide. As Glenn Greenwald has noted, President Bush and his administration initially attempted to link the anthrax attacks to Iraq.
The New York Daily News has a new twist in the administration’s attempt to peg the anthrax attacks to its own bellicose aims. Immediately after 9/11, the Daily News reports, “White House officials repeatedly pressed FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove it was a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda,” according to a former FBI official:
After the Oct. 5, 2001, death from anthrax exposure of Sun photo editor Robert Stevens, Mueller was “beaten up” during President Bush’s morning intelligence briefings for not producing proof the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide.
“They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East,” the retired senior FBI official told The News....."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08...-qaeda-anthrax/
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White House Denies Author's Accusations of Document Forgery
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 6, 2008; A02
The Bush administration joined former top CIA officials in denouncing a new book's assertion that White House officials ordered the forgery of Iraqi documents to suggest a link between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the lead hijacker in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The claim was made by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Ron Suskind, whose book "The Way of the World" also contends that the White House obtained compelling evidence in early 2003 that Iraq possessed no significant stocks of nuclear or biological weapons but decided to invade the country anyway....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0501750_pf.html
Of course the Bush administration would never lie, would it...?
"Marion, I never made personal attacks on you until you started in on me. Don't start crying now. As for the "off the wall accusations" I proved one (as you demanded I should) last night. You ignored me. *shrug*"--Craig
Did you really prove anything Craig...? And I started the personal attacks...? I do not think so...
So what was your accusing me of being an antisemite all about if it wasn't a personal attack...?
You really should go back and reread all of our exchanges Craig....
So where are all your proofs backing up your numerous allegations and insinuations against me before I started to personally attack you...?
Did you think you are now off the hook because you managed to think you diverted the conversation to me being a retard and a liar..?
"When are you going to admit everything you know about Iran comes from Huffington post?"--Craig
Actually what I know about Iran didn't come from the Huffington Post Craig, it comes from a variety of news sources and from Iranians and Shias I know who have visited and/or lived in Iran... ...I usually don't read the Huffington post....
[Marion] So when exactly did Iran claim it was "hell-bent on destroying my country and her system of governance" K?
[Craig] Marion, you've never actually studied Khomeini's revolutionary ideology have you?
I was going to bring up the "Death to America" rallies every friday for the last 30 years. But then,saying you want someone to die and wanting it are two different things. And I can't actually PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Iran WANTS America to die. Heck,it might even be haram to want 400M people to die....LOL.
This isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Iran is "hell-bent on destroying my country",mind you. Only the hidden Mahdi could provide that...to Marions satisfaction...and he's only communicating with Ahwannajihad at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h?
v=CUezKsBCRbk
Did you really prove anything Craig...?
So now we all see how pointless it is to answer your challenges, right?
And I started the personal attacks...?
Sure did! Implying your opponent has psychological problems is a particularly offensive personal attack, Marion.
I do not think so...
Are you claiming you think, now?
Got this off Iranian.com!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=DK9PxQj6aCY
You ever read Iranian.com, Marion? Or do you just listen to that one crazy Iranian you know, who "visited" Iran? Maybe he gets all his info off Huffington Post? :D
For the record,Walt Disney is a publicly owned company. Even Khaneini could buy shares if he liked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=4...feature=related
Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...seals-
like.html
Jewish Walt Disney company, Maury? A number of documentaries have come out that claimed that Walt Disney hated Jews... hmmm...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in2141735.shtml
Gabler addressed Disney's reputation as an anti-Semite, and he discussed how Disney reinvented recreation with Disneyland, though his true dream for Epcot was never realized.
Marion, I saw some of your Iranian friends seated in the front row of that class! Did you recognize them!?
Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War
If and when the US has formal talks with the IRI, we should send Dick Cheney as our negotiator! He shot a guy in the face once!
http://zaneirani.blogspot.com/20...icians-
for.html
Physicians for humanrights: "Doctor Arash Alaei and Doctor Kamiar Alaei are two Iranian physicians who have reportedly been detained in Iran by Iranian authorities. The physicians, who are brothers, were arrested at the end of June, 2008 and their current whereabouts are unknown. Physicians for Human Rights calls on the government of Iran to disclose their whereabouts, provide them access to lawyers and family, and either to charge them with an internationally recognized crime or release them immediately."
Is Sheema like your Iranian friend who visited Iran, Marion?
"Cheney: Dress Up Navy Seals Like Iranians to Start War"
That's not what was said Marion. Not that I'd trust Hersch or his source...a FORMER intelligence official. How former we're never told. But,my guess is vintage 1970's. That's the last time anyone besides yourself or Bruno took Hersch seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=b...feature=related
World War 3 Is Upon Us. "Operation Brimstone" US Naval Nuclear Strike Force Has Been Deployed to Iran
World War III is upon us! I better get my rifle and go get in my bunker!
Marion, wasn't it YOUR folks who weer ridiculing US conservatives for worrying about World War II starting up? The dude in the vid "Marion fan" linked was claiming a US attack on Iran would provoke WWII as well. Such egotism. It really is just a fantasy that Iran will ever have the capability of starting a World War, isn't it Marion? Your fantasy? You think that'd be great, right?
WWII = WWIII in the previous comment! Sorry.
Bush gives pussy a really bad name
Here the Bush administration is hoist on its own petard. On the one hand, it wants "democracy" in Iraq. On the other hand, it wants to keep U.S. troops there indefinitely, using Iraq as a base from which the U.S. can dominate the region. But the Iraqi people want the American troops to go home, so "democracy" leads to an American withdrawal at Iraq’s demand.
One man could cut the knot and free both Iraq and America from its entanglements. Were Ayatollah Sistani to say what Mr. Maliki said, that Obama’s timetable for withdrawal is about right, no one could gainsay him. The Shiite Iraqi government dare not contradict him, nor could George W. Bush (or John McCain) without risking all-out war between American troops in Iraq and the Shiites.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...nd/
lind143.html
One man could cut the knot and free both Iraq and America from its entanglements. Were Ayatollah Sistani to say what Mr. Maliki said, that Obama’s timetable for withdrawal is about right, no one could gainsay him.
Everyone thinks Obama's timetable is about right, including me and probably including anand. What is your point?
Craig,are you the Anti-Maury?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...a/
iraq_us_bases
"Iraqis: Deal close on plan for US troops to leave"
Anand from Absurdistan, you should read the news before you make an ass out of yourself.
Marion, my best friend is Persian. He was born and lived in Iran most his life. He would despise you.
Craig,are you the Anti-Maury?
Nope! Are you the "Maury" Maury? How bout a little helps with these type in folks, Mojo? I don't mind if you announce where I'm posting from, everyone knows anyway
Yay! Go team go! Only 1500 attacks per month! Fantastic! If America was having 1500 attacks per month we'd all be celebrating in the street!
Yay! Go America go!
http://www.stripes.com/article.a...4&
article=56617
Overall, the number of roadside bombs that U.S. troops encounter is down more than 50 percent from its peak of between 2,800 and 3,000 per month, Metz said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=O...feature=related
I'm Anand from Absurdistan!
PakistanIndiafriendsforever!
Yayyyyyyyyy!Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
Missing the good old days, are we?
http://iranfreethedocs.org/
Marion, did you sign the petition yet?
"And I started the personal attacks...?"--Marion
"Sure did! Implying your opponent has psychological problems is a particularly offensive personal attack, Marion."---Craig
Obviously you didn't go back far enough to reread all of our posts Craig.....
And it is also obvious that when you read you either don't comprehend properly or you comprehend things in a biased way as you prefer to understand them...
Once again, I claimed you need counseling to recognize your own obvious faults and read from other sources of information besides the sources who feed into those faults of yours....
You are the one who claimed that I claimed you have psychological problems based on my suggesting you get counseling...
Do all people who get counseling necessarily have psychological problems Craig...?
But than again maybe you do have psychological problems since you like to keep bringing it up over and over again while ignoring the fact that you have been personally attacking me by calling me an antisemite from a long time ago...
"Marion, my best friend is Persian. He was born and lived in Iran most his life. He would despise you."--Aton the Sun God
Considering HE is YOUR FRIEND anton, I am not surprised or even disappointed....
What just happened? Evidence. A secret that has been judiciously kept for five years just spilled out. All of what follows is new, never reported in any way:
The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush — a man still carrying with $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush’s famous deck of wanted men — has been America’s secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, “resettled” Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money.
In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD — as Habbush had foretold — the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a “small team from the al Qaeda organization.”
The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists with Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting CIA from conduction disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil.
So, here we go again: the administration full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn’t remember any such thing — just like he couldn’t remember “slam dunk” — and reporters are scratching their heads. Everything in the book is on the record. Many sources. And so, we watch and wait….
Pulitzer Prize-winner Ron Suskind is the author of The Way of the World. See http://www.ronsuskind.com
Marion | 08.07.08 - 4:46 pm | #
Do you have any real friends?
Marion, you talk in circles just to try to throw people off the track when you say stupid stuff. We've all caught onto it.
Did you sign the petition or not, Marion?
Iraq and the United States are reported to be close to a deal where U.S. combat troops would be withdrawn from Iraq by end of 2010 with the rest of U.S. forces leaving by end of 2012. Read stories at http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...main/
index.html and at
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in4328195.shtml
“Neocon Flap Highlights Jewish Divide”
By Alan Hart
"That was the headline over a splendid piece of reporting for IPS (Inter Press Service) published on 30 July by Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe. They concluded that “new political space is being created for the public airing of more moderate views on Middle East policy.” If they are right, and I think they are, there is reason, at last, to be less than totally pessimistic about the prospects of finding a cure for the cancer at the heart of international affairs, the Palestine problem, before it consumes us all.
In the quotation above “more moderate views” is a euphemism for views other than those of the Zionist (not Jewish!) lobby, of which AIPAC is the most prominent public face. It was described by Luban and Lobe as “the powerful lobbying group whose hawkish right-wing leadership has often defied both the views of the broader U.S. .Jewish community and the policies of Israeli governments.” (In my two-volume book, Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, I quote Shimon Peres telling me way back in 1980, when he was the leader of the opposition Labour Party, that the lobby in America “is not an Israel lobby. It’s a Likud lobby and that’s my problem.”)
The excellent IPS article by Luban and Lobe is primarily a review of the controversy sparked by TIME columnist Joe Klein’s blogged statement that by pushing for war on Iraq and now for a “foolish assault on Iran”, Jewish neo-conversatives had caused the question of “divided loyalties” to be asked - because what Jewish neo-conservatives pushed and are pushing for is not in America’s own best interests. (As Mearsheimer and Walt argued in great detail).
Klein was accused by the usual cast of those who support Israel right or wrong of being anti-Semitic; but he refused to back down, accusing his accusers of using charges of anti-Semitism to silence his and other criticism of neo-conservative policies. Klein said those who called him anti-Semitic were wrong. What then was he? “I am anti neo-conversative,” he told Luban and Lobe....."
To finish reading this article go to:
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle20443.htm
Mossad assassinates Iraqi scientists in bomb blasts
CAIRO- "Israel is constantly seeking to weaken Arab countries on the scientific, technological and intellectual levels. It does this for the purpose of imposing its domination on them after it has failed through lies, in the past decades, to establish itself as the strongest, developed and most destructive state in the region.
Consequently it obstructs any Arab attempt to achieve development in the nuclear field by assassinating Arab scientists and specialists in the nuclear field.
After the US invasion in 2003, Mossad, the national intelligence agency of Israel, launched a massive campaign to eliminate Iraqi scientists in order to end the dream of Iraq becoming a developed nation. According to a British study, Iraq has the largest number of scientists in the world in relation to its population.
Not only did Israel target Iraqi scientists but it also assassinated a large number of Arab scientists. In 1952 the Egyptian atomic research scientist, Sameera Mousa, was assassinated in the US. The Egyptian atomic scientist, Yehya Al Mashad, was killed in 1980 in Paris, the Egyptian microwave scientist, Sayed Bdeer, was eliminated in his house in Alexandria in 1989 and the Egyptian atomic scientist, Sameer Najeeb, was killed in Detroit in 1967.
Israel also exerted pressure on developed western countries to bar Arab students from joining certain specialized institutions. Some countries prevent students from the third world from studying atomic and missile sciences....."
To read the rest of the article go to:
http://www.factjo.com/factjo_en/...ews.aspx?
id=837
Mossad kills 350 Iraqi scientists
"....According to a report, Mossad, in cooperation with the US occupation forces in Iraq, have killed 350 Iraqi nuclear scientists and more than 200 University professors.
The report, prepared by the US Secretary of State and referred to the US President George Bush, said that Mossad and commando groups had been active in Iraq since the invasion in 2003. They targeted Iraqi nuclear scientists after the US had failed to convince them to work for the US or move to the US.
Some of them were forced to work in public research centers in the US but the majority refused to work with American scientists in certain tests, the report added. Many of them fled to other countries.
The scientists who refused to leave Iraq were severely interrogated and were tortured. The report stated that Mossad saw that they had to be eliminated because they posed a threat to the future of Israel.
Mossad found that the best way to assassinate them is through the ongoing violence in Iraq. The report added that the Pentagon was also convinced that this was the best way and special Israeli commando groups were prepared to fulfill this task. The US team gave assistance to the Zionist troops and the team prepared the curriculum vitae of the scientists and provided access to them.
According to the report, the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists."
http://www.factjo.com/factjo_en/...ews.aspx?
id=837
No military, political or moral justification to initiate war with Iran
Declaration signed by over 200 Israeli academics and peace activists
Ad Hoc Group Against Israeli Attack on Iran
More than 100 hundred Israeli academicians and peace activists have signed the following declaration:
There is no military, political or moral justification to initiate war with Iran
A constant flow of information bears witness to the fact that the Israeli government is seriously considering attacking Iran, in order to disrupt its nuclear plans. We do not disregard irresponsible actions by the Iranian government - we also oppose atomic weapons in principle and support the elimination of all weapons of mass destruction from the region. However, it is clear that the main source of the immediate danger of a new, widespread war stems from the policies of the Israeli government and the flow of threats from it, backed by provocative military maneuvers.
After serious consideration, we reiterate our position that all the arguments for such an attack are without any security, political or moral justification. Israel might get caught up in an act of adventurism that could endanger our very existence, and this without any serious effort to exhaust the political and diplomatic alternatives to armed conflict.
We are not certain that such an attack will occur. But the very fact that it is being weighed as a reasonable option, makes it imperative that we warn and caution against the destructive results of an offensive strike against Iran.
Coordinating Group:
Prof. Gadi Algazi; Judy Blanc; Prof. Rachel Giora; Prof. Anat Matar; Prof. Adi Ophir; Prof. Yoav Peled; Reuven Kaminer, Prof. Haggai Ram; Prof. Yehuda Shenhav; Prof. Oren Yiftachel
(contact: reuven.kaminer@gmail.com )
Forgot to post source:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=9756
Marion, you are sick. I suggest you stop posting that kind of garbage. The government can't sue you for slander and defamation but private citizens certainly can. And I wouldn't put to much faith in your "anonymity".
Marion, your observations on the nature of these clowns is spot on. They're laughable. The biggest clown on the thread is Jeffrey, who brings up the Olypmics to prove ... something known only to him ... and cites every medal the US has ever won, THEN berates me for posting on-topic news from four years ago which shows that real Iraqis DO NOT appreciate being used as tools and stage props by that mad criminal GW Bush.
Nevertheless, your efforts here are commendable.
Tough guy Craig, trying to intimidate a woman.
Oooo.
We're all in awe of his might.
There's always the old "treason" thing, though! Marion: retarded traitor.
Anand in Absurdistan - great posts.
"Treason"?
Right.
Tough guy Craig, trying to intimidate a woman.
I'm trying to keep her out of prison, Bruno. She doesn't live in South Africa. She lives in the United States. And she's also a Muslim, with an Arab husband. She may not realize how much trouble she's getting herself into by quoting Jihadi websites, but I do.
And look at you with your non-comment about the