"as if the Iraqi and US military want to massacre civilians,"
Which brings us back to the caption of the poor little girl over to the right. As if the US military wanted to blow her legs off...
I ready Zeyad's blog, only 1 comment: wow. Crazy people that are enabled by the volatile security situation and promoted by Baathists to create religious disharmony.
Anyway, here's another article I found interesting, unrelated, but about an all too familiar topic:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Worl...3490759-
ap.html
"Until 2005, Hurriyah was a relatively safe, working-class community of shops and single-family homes of Sunnis and Shiites. The sectarian seam was ripped open that year when gunmen from the Sunni extremist Omar's Army began abducting and killing Shiites. Just over a year ago, Mahdi Army militiamen set up an office in the main outdoor market and told Shiites they would protect them.
Last fall, handbills appeared warning that 10 Sunnis would die for every Shiite killed. As promised, the attacks on Sunnis steadily escalated throughout the fall, until by early December almost all Sunnis had fled. "
Wa alhamdulillah rabilalamin...
Mojo, don't get too carried away by the accounts from the Najaf battle. The big picture is still coalescing.
Bruno,
Don't get too carried away by the accounts of the accounts from the Najaf battle. The big picture is still coalescing. 
Mojo,
I like Fouad Ajami as well. I've bought his latest book "The Foreigners Gift", but haven't read it yet.
Bruno,
Mojo, don't get too carried away by the accounts from the Najaf battle. The big picture is still coalescing.
That's funny, you seemed to have a pretty strong opinion about what REALLY happened, a few days ago. What happened? Why has it all gone fuzzy on you? Are you waiting for some kind of information to surface that supports your previously ridiculous opinions?
You were the first to jump to conclusions. As usual. And you were wrong. As usual. What really happened is still unclear, but what is clear is that it doesn't resemble what you were claiming.
10 to 1 if acted upon each time is a great lesson and guard. Especially if the 10 taken in compensation are of the minority.
10 to 1 has a huge bite to it.
Peace is simply a better option than religion.
Maury, you're right, the US military did not want to blow her legs off, but I am saddened that they bombed civilian areas so heavily. I know that Saddam placed anti-aircraft equipment at schools and in residential areas, but seriously, they didn't have to use so many bombs. To me it seems like they had a huge inventory of bombs they needed to get rid of, and that kinda makes me sick. I think it's wrong. Dropping cluster bombs in civilian areas is wrong too.
[mojo] "Maury, you're right, the US military did not want to blow her legs off, but I am saddened that they bombed civilian areas so heavily."
The US military loves to bomb ANYTHING. Take a look at Fallujah. The city was flattened. An immense concentration of firepower was poured onto a place that was known to have noncombatants in it - since it was THE US that forced them back into the area.
Of course, you are too busy calculating whether the dead Iraqis are Shia or Sunni to care, but I think it sucks regardless of who they were.
Craig --
Old bean, I'm usually correct.
And half of the accounts coming from the story support MY SIDE - ie that the US killed women and children.
Even the accounts that paint a different picture - the one by the SCIRI officials - admitted there were women and children at the site.
So choke on that, why don't you?
[IA] "To me it seems like they had a huge inventory of bombs they needed to get rid of, and that kinda makes me sick."
The fact is the use of such heavy firepower was part of the plan. It was meant to terrify Iraqis into submission by the display of overwhelming force. This is the whole point of the "shock and awe" doctrine - which, 3080 dead invaders later - turned out to be a big bust anyway.
Here: Read it from the guy who dreamt up the doctrine of Shock and Awe:
""Dominance" means the ability to affect and dominate an adversary's will both physically and psychologically. Physical dominance includes the ability to destroy, disarm, disrupt, neutralize, and to render impotent. Psychological dominance means the ability to destroy, defeat, and neuter the will of an adversary to resist; or convince the adversary to accept our terms and aims short of using force. The target is the adversary's will, perception, and understanding. The principal mechanism for achieving this dominance is through imposing sufficient conditions of "Shock and Awe" on the adversary to convince or compel it to accept our strategic aims and military objectives. Clearly, deception, confusion, misinformation, and disinformation, perhaps in massive amounts, must be employed.
The key objective of Rapid Dominance is to impose this overwhelming level of Shock and Awe against an adversary on an immediate or sufficiently timely basis to paralyze its will to carry on. In crude terms, Rapid Dominance would seize control of the environment and paralyze or so overload an adversary's perceptions and understanding of events that the enemy would be incapable of resistance at tactical and strategic levels. An adversary would be rendered totally impotent and vulnerable to our actions. "
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/bo...2096/
intro.html
He continues in the next chapter:
"Shutting the country down would entail both the physical destruction of appropriate infrastructure and the shutdown and control of the flow of all vital information and associated commerce so rapidly as to achieve a level of national shock akin to the effect that dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the Japanese. Simultaneously, Iraq's armed forces would be paralyzed with the neutralization or destruction of its capabilities. Deception, disinformation, and misinformation would be applied massively."
In other words, we arfe talking about old fashioned terror tactics. That's what it boils down to. I can easilt imagine bin Laden holding a similar discussion about the 911 strikes with his henchmen.
That's what the US has become.
The biggest terror state in the world.
Do you ever shut up, man? You are so fucking full of yourself, it's almost like you think you have something important to say, but it's all nonsense.
[craigie] "Do you ever shut up, man? You are so fucking full of yourself, it's almost like you think you have something important to say, but it's all nonsense."
Thanks, man. I hope you enjoyed my words of wisdom.
I don't blame you for getting pissed off ... heck, if I were an American warmonger like yourself, I'd also be ticked off by some persistent seeker of the truth going around and alerting all the potential victims to the reality of what could befall them.
So, wanna talk about "full spectrum dominance", or what, Craig?
Let's show these Iraqis just what it would mean for the US to carry out its ambitions to the full.
Bruno,
Both battles in Fallujah were mostly eyeball-to-eyeball fighting inside the city between American forces and militants. You might want to take a look at Bing West's "No True Glory" for a straight-forward account of both engagements. There were a dozen or so legitimate noncombatant civilians who had not made it out despite the weeks of warnings from the American military and, in the end, our forces had to escort them out by protecting them from fire coming from the "glorious resistance"! Yep, the "glorious resistance" was trying to kill those Iraqis who had stayed. Those civilians were better off dead, TAI's "glorious resistance" figured, than being saved by the Americans. Iraq writ large, in many ways.
West details the torture chambers and rooms that were discovered in Fallujah where they made their beheading videos to send to Al Jazeera. There were body parts lying around among several decomposing bodies. As usual, the Arab media didn't focus on that aspect of Fallujah -- Arabs slaughtering Arabs isn't worth even raising an eyebrow, I guess, for the Al Jazeera Umma mindset.
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I'd also be ticked off by some persistent seeker of the truth
Seeker of the Truth? You're the worst propagandist on the Iarqi blogosphere! And the worst part about it, is your from FUCKING SOUTH AFRICA!?
Hello!?
An example of your "truth" is over there on Zeyad's blog, right now, in your past statements about thsi very incident. And you come crawling over here urging people "not to jump to conclusions" when it turns out *gasp* you were totally full of shit. So, when it turns out you were most likely talking out of your ass, you don't want people to jump to conclusions about it.
And then you follow that up by stating a bunch of other untrue shit about things that happened years ago. Do you think nobody remembers? remembers how wrong you were then, and how wrong you are now?
I'd like to think you aren't very bright and that you honestly just don't get it. However, I don't think that's the case. I think you are quite conscious of the effect your propagandizing has on Iraqis. Divide and Conquer? That's you, Buddy. Only in your case, you want everyone to hate each other to the point where they kill each other. Do you want Iraq to end up the same kind of shit hole that South Africa is? You do, don't you? How fucked up in the head are you?
That's what the US has become.
What was South Africa, 20 years ago?
What is it now?
South Africa is the most violent and most racist and most crime ridden country in the world. Except for Iraq. Which explains your interest in Iraq, doesn't it, Bruno?
It explains your hate for the US too. America is everything that South Africa is not.
Damn if it isn't that E-surgent Troll Bruno!
Is he still sucking around Iraqi Blogs trying to sell his HATE of Iraqi Democrats?
Gawd what a CREEP and OH how he HATES America and Americans who support a free Iraq!
Yes an Iraq FREE of the tyrant Saddam and yes FREE of the fascist Baathist, who both Brunhilda still loves, YES he Hates a Free Democrat Iraq!!
HA! What a SAD Twerp!
LOL!
Damn Thanks to America and Iraqis you must be crushed Bruno, your not-so-secrete love of sniffing al-Qaeda Butts is way threatened almost extinct!
Yep Fact is Bruno the pool of al-Q a$$holes you love so dearly are getting killed incredibly fast, you'll have to move to Pakistan for your rump action sonny ...sniff along little boy!!
Hey FYI, just a little more Intel on Brunhilda...
Woe is the SA Drag-Queen:
As his old Queer father said, "It sucks to be you Bruno".
heh if his wasted life in Loser-Ville wasn't bad enough now his ex "Iraqi-insurgent bathhouse boyz" have rejected his pathetic a$$, in-fact they tore up his bathhouse pass and left him to whimper himself to sleep in whatever ally he can find..
Boo Hoo
"It sucks to be Bruno!"
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