The sectarian conflict was ignited by the Iraqi Shia, who sided with the aggressor countries and against Iraq.
Then the Sunnis were forced to side with Iraq and against the aggressor countries, and their Iraqi Shia allies.
That is how the 2 sects found themselves at opposite sides of the battle. If the Shia had chosen to oppose the occupation,
there would've been no reason to go to war with them.
Dolly is correct!If Iranian Ayatoliet Ali al-Sistani and Hakim,Sadrists,Fadhila,all of the Shia`religious authorities issued a fatwa,stating treat the foreign armies,with deep suspicion or even go a head be hostile,definitely,would`ve aboded better then let`s see how much we can,collaborate and fuck over our compatriots!Most Iraqi resistance groups don`t target the Shia`specificly,it`s the smallest minority of extremist who hate or consider their own countrymen as apostates or kufir,infidels!From what I understand,it was politically incorrect or on couth to discuss,personal religious sect affiliation back before April,2003!!!The sectarian sedition began with the twin/dual occupations of IRAQ by the U.S.A./IRAN,both of these nations are and have been using IRAQ,as a proxy war and battlefield!!!I still don`t understand how folks could say the dictactorship should of,could been overthrown,this and that melodrama,If the President Saddam Hussien(PBUH),was such a tyrant,murderer,abused his power,etc.The Ba`ath leadership per the(55)most valued leaders,(35)were Shia`(1)Tariq Aziz was Christian!I did my homework and(65%)of the Republican Guard was Shia`,so if he was this monster,every opportunity wasn`t used to rid IRAQ of their legitimate President!Sort of like Hundorus,did today,got rid of a President,without bloodshed!!!!Next couple days should be interesting in(FREE & LIBERATED IRAQ!)Al-Malaki is calling it victory day or sovereignty day,that`s rich,theres still going to be 133,000 American troops,still doing patrols and over a 100,000 mercaneries in IRAQ!I guess al-Malaki and all(60)of his Iranian advisors ideas of national sovereignty is different then what I believe of when I think of no foreign interference,from anyone!!!Regards,
Johhny, the ISF will be responsible for all internal security on Tuesday.
The US troops are training and equipping the ISF . . . which I see as a good thing because I think the ISF are the heroes.
Johnny...Shia and Kurds make up 80 perecent of Iraq. How can militant Sunnis "side with Iraq" if they go to war with 80 percent of the country?
The Sunni jarab lost.
The Iraqi Shia & Kurds, who together comprise 80% of Iraq's population, never had any problems with the ordinary Sunni Arabs of Iraq. They were mass murdered by Saddam and the Tikriti jarab for decades, but the ordinary Sunni Arabs were never to blame, and thus the Iraqi Shia & Kurds (most Iraqis) do not want to punish the Sunni Arabs of Iraq by bombing their markets.
Dolly thinks it's ok to bomb markets. JJ agrees with her.
Dolly and Johnny Jarab will end up in the depths of jehenem, INSHA Allah.
The only way the Sunni insurgent knows how to fight is to bomb markets and to kill women and children. He is the lowest of cowards, the 3arab jarab.
In 2004 there were 140 suicide bombings in Iraq. In 2005 there were more than 400 suicide bombings. All suicide bombings in Iraq are committed by the Wahhabi jarab and undoubtedly aided by the Ba3thi scum of earth. It took a long time for the Iraqi Shia to respond to the criminal jarab who sought to destroy them.
Odd to note that around 80% of Iraqis (the inhabitants of Iraq) want a US withdrawal from their land.
Odd that only around 2% of Iraqis would support the notion of a long term presence in Iraq.
Odd, therefore, that this debate has once again been reduced to sectarian terms when it is clear that the huge majority of Iraqi citizens (the people of Iraq) want the foreign invader to LEAVE.
Yes, odd to note that this INCLUDES Shia, whatever Mojo may wish was the case.
Al Maliki adopts Resistance rhetoric:
"Iraq has declared tomorrow a national holiday and is planning festivals to mark the end of the U.S. presence on the streets of its towns and cities, more than six years after Saddam Hussein was ousted. The much-anticipated milestone has been hailed as a return to sovereignty by Iraqi officials, who have maintained sometimes difficult relations with the U.S. military throughout the years of occupation. But the celebratory mood has angered some senior U.S. officials and military commanders, who believe intensive training efforts with Iraqi forces have been forsaken, along with combat operations that have cost at least several thousand American lives since the fall of Baghdad. The Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, fuelled U.S. anger at the weekend by describing the withdrawal as the result of Iraq's successful bid to "repulse" the invaders. "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...y-us-
withdrawal
"describing the withdrawal as the result of Iraq's successful bid to "repulse" the invaders. ""
I bet the Amreeki were thrilled at hearing that!
Odd that Bruno cannot comprehend why the Iraqi Shia would be so angry with the jarab who slaughter women and children in markets, regardless of a long term American presence in Iraq. Maybe it should not be so odd.
I think the ISF are the heroes.
If by heroes you mean traitorous morons, then yes.
I just read some good news that 9 ISF were killed with a car bomb.
Shia and Kurds make up 80 perecent of Iraq. How can militant Sunnis "side with Iraq" if they go to war with 80 percent of the country?
The United States attacked Iraq. The Iraqi magus (Shia) sided with the attacker country.
It's not an issue of numbers, it's the nature of the actions.
If you asked some Rush Limbaugh fan from Missouri: "If most Americans turned into Adam Gadahn, would that make YOU the traitor?"
Guess what he would answer.
Odd to note that around 80% of Iraqis (the inhabitants of Iraq) want a US withdrawal from their land.
note that this INCLUDES Shia
They may say that, because they are liars, but they were the ones to make the occupation possible.
Magusi (Shia) collaboration was interpreted as a legal mandate for the occupation.
The magus went out of their way to make the occupation possible, so their claim about wanting an end to the occupation is a lie (taqiyya).
The only way the Sunni insurgent knows how to fight is to bomb markets and to kill women and children. He is the lowest of cowards, the 3arab jarab.
Really... And can you tell me what happened to the 4000 Crusader combatants in Iraq
Were they killed by Maliki having dinner with Bush
Dolly and Johnny Jarab will end up in the depths of jehenem, INSHA Allah.
While you're at it, can you interpret the following Qur2anic aaya for us:
Take not the jews and the Christians for your allies and protectors
Laa tattakhidhu al-yahuda wan-nasara awliyaa2
And he who turns to them is of them.
Wa may yatawallahum minkum fa2innahu minhum
http://img329.imageshack.us/ img3...oliceman001.jpg
Odd that Bruno cannot comprehend why the Iraqi Shia would be so angry with the jarab who slaughter women and children in markets
Well your American buddies slaughtered women and children, undoubtedly aided by the magusi scum of the earth,
so the Iraqi Shia are only getting back what's coming to them.
Btw: not enough magus have been offed. To compensate for the Sunnis you've killed, we would need to kill another 12 million Iraqi magus or so.
Ignore Dolly, Bruno & Johnny Rebel's hate-filled rantings.
"Iraqi Forces take control of Baghdad: Fireworks in Baghdad as Iraqis take over control of cities" at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...ent;
cbsCarousel
I wonder if Maliki will be assassinated, or manage to flee the country. Personally I am hoping for the former, but you never know in these uncertain times.
Go Maliki! Go Maliki! He's our man! Go Maliki!
Hey I have an idea for a new Iraqi holiday.
It's called "Civil War Day," and it will be marked every day
Dolly and Johnny are really angry today. Success among the Iraqi people must do that to them.
Long live Al-Maliki!
"Odd to note that around 80% of Iraqis (the inhabitants of Iraq) want a US withdrawal from their land. note that this INCLUDES Shia"
[dolly] "They may say that, because they are liars"
I'm sorry, but that's just not true.
I refer:
"Rocket attacks targeting the protected Green Zone and a military base in Baghdad have killed three US troops and wound 31 people. Suspected Shiite militants lobbed rockets and mortar shells into the U.S-protected zone and a base elsewhere in the city. The attacks on Sunday came as U.S. and Iraqi forces battled Shiite militants in Sadr City
[...]
A senior US military official, also declining to be identified for the same reason, said the rockets were fired at the Green Zone from Sadr City while the mortar shells came from another predominantly Shiite neighbourhood in eastern Baghdad, New Baghdad."
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/worl...9&
in_page_id=64
I refer:
http://www.anti-imperialist.org/...est_4-21-
09.JPG
and
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=...-cp-
6539242.jpg
[dolly] "but they were the ones to make the occupation possible. Magusi (Shia) collaboration was interpreted as a legal mandate for the occupation."
that comment can be replied to together with Mojo's
[mojo] "Odd that Bruno cannot comprehend why the Iraqi Shia would be so angry with the jarab who slaughter women and children in markets""
"Shia" collaboration came mainly in the form of the Da'wa and SCIRI exiles that the Americans helped to bring in, and pump up with huge amounts of stolen Iraqi funds. In the beginning, there was very little Shia cooperation. May I remind you that some of the fiercest clashes against the invader took place in the Iraqi South? Unfortunately the Americans proved to be quite adept at their 'divide and rule' tactics, and this was in no small way aided by the brainless Al Qaeda zombies that streamed over the borders who saw their primary struggle as being against the Shiites as a whole. Is it any surprise that the Americans were happy to use Iraq as their 'flypaper' for Al Qaeda? The Americans knew that the instant they could turn Iraqis against each other, they had a chance of winning. And that is what happened.
Any Shiite (or Sunni, for that matter) collaboration with the Amreeki needs to be seen through the prism of sectarian struggle, wherein one or another side hoped to use the invader against their domestic enemies. I have advocated against sectarianism since the beginning, given that the *only* people it ultimately profits are the foreign invaders.
The Iraqi Army smashed JAM in March-May, 2008. Bruno's heroes lost.
Cue Anand with his curry-induced drivel.
The name Qassam Soleimani means nothing to him.
Why is Anand so ignorant?
"brainless Al Qaeda zombies that streamed over the borders who saw their primary struggle as being against the Shiites as a whole." Takfiri primarily attack fellow muslims. But they also attack nonmuslims. Eventually, unless they are stopped, they will take out South Africa.
"some of the fiercest clashes against the invader took place in the Iraqi South?" There was almost no violence in the South until April 2004. For that matter, US troops deployed to the South in April, 2004. Before that the South was managed by peacekeeping troops from Poland, Italy, Japan, UK, Ukraine, El Salvador, Mongolia, Australia, Thailand, and other countries.
SCIRI won a landslide in the South in January, 2005. Dawa defeated ICSI/Badr in January, 2009. Both times, especially in January, 2009, the Sadrists performed poorly. Muqtada won in Maysan in January 2005.
[anand] "Takfiri primarily attack fellow muslims. But they also attack nonmuslims. Eventually, unless they are stopped, they will take out South Africa."
Nooooo! The fearsome TAKFIRI are cooooming! Nooo! Run around waving your hands in the air!
[bruno] ""some of the fiercest clashes against the invader took place in the Iraqi South"
[anand] "There was almost no violence in the South until April 2004"
"The Battle of Nasiriyah was one of the first major battles of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Heavy fighting took place in the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriyah between Iraqi forces and U.S. Marines over control of key bridges over the Euphrates River and the Saddam Canal."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Bat...le_of_Nasiriyah
Ah, nothing like "Anand the Military Historian" to brighten up one's day.
Bruno, Anand needs the Takfiri.
In his childish mythological mind, the Takfiri are the new Asuras or devils from ancient Hindu Mythology that he was read while still in diapers!
But fear not! Anand is on the side of the Devas(the Gods or good guys)and he will SMASH the Takfiri in the ultimate battle between good and evil!
Anand will then become Rama's and Krishna's (OR THEIR CONTEMPORARY EQUIVALENT)military strategist and Treasurer and political advisor and also the first trillionaire! 
p.s. He'll also probably torture guys like me and you AND ZILLIONS MORE for decades. That's just how he rolls. 
He will then be given a country and rule it and be forever known as "Anand: THE MAD FOOL OSTRICH KING OF ABSURDISTAN!!!" JAI ANAND!
COLE ON IRAQ TODAY
http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/...one-on-
way.html
A Bribe Here, a Bribe There
Why Iraq is Now the Most Corrupt Country on the Planet
By PATRICK COCKBURN
http://www.counterpunch.org/
patr...ck06292009.html
BTW Mojo,truly silly post. You've become a real merkan.
"There was no Al Qaeda in 1991. In fact Usama bin Ladin volunteered to assemble an army of mujahideen to fight Saddam's forces. There would have been no sectarian conflict ignited by the Wahhabi scum(WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? AQ WOULD HAVE SIMPLY FORMED THERE LED BY OBL)."
I am amazed by the number of "bloggers" who think they know what they're writing about.
Dolly and Johnny are really angry today. Success among the Iraqi people must do that to them.
Long live Al-Maliki!
More Iraqi success:
Four US soldiers killed in Iraq
I see that Dolly remarked on the latest "goodbye presents" that the Iraqis gave the Amreeki. Those are just um, reminders that the USA shouldn't linger. No doubt there will be more.
Good posts, FUBAR. I had a laugh ...
People like Anand are the folks that managed to get both America and Iraq into deep waters. Your ridicule is exactly what is needed.
Where do the 3arab jarab get their news from?
http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/20...-
education.html
Do any of you clowns remember 1991?
http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/...one-on-
way.html
Notice how Juan Cole now thinks the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police fight well. More evidence that the war in Iraq is won.
Iraq does have a corruption challenge. Iraqi voters will have to get rid of the corrupt politicians. They made some progress on 1.31.09. As Iraqi security and the Iraqi economy improves, Iraqi voters will focus more on governance and corruption. I hope they vote accordingly.
For those interested in the March 19 - April 9, 2003, battle the best source is "Cobra II." It describes the battle of Nassiriyah, Kifl and all the rest. Some units from the old IA did fight. Most however, refused to fight for Saddam.
"I see that Dolly remarked on the latest "goodbye presents" that the Iraqis gave the Amreeki. Those are just um, reminders that the USA shouldn't linger. No doubt there will be more."
Bullshit, Bruno. You indiscriminately spin the situation to sound in your favor regardless of what the situation is. That's proof that the insurgents never cared about "occupation". To say otherwise would be like saying that a policeman who arrests an innocent man is just reminding him not to become a criminal.
Wait, you are citing the killing of 4 Crusaders as proof that the insurrection is not really anti-Crusade?
3arab jarab killed 20 times as many Iraqi civilians as US soldiers in the last month.
I'm citing the killing of 4 Americans to prove the insurgency is anti-American, not anti-occupation.
I'm sure the same is true of Bruno himself.
If no American soldiers had been killed, Bruno would be saying it was proof that the insurgents had gotten what they wanted and been victorious against the evil empire. Bruno always covers both his bases.
Nibras Kazimi speaks to Al Jazeera from Baghdad: "I appeared live on Aljazeera Satellite Channel this morning to comment on the U.S. troop withdrawal from the remaining Iraqi cities along with 'Ibrahim al-Shimmeri', the spokesman for the 'Islamic Army in Iraq' insurgent group, and Liqa' Makki, an Iraqi analyst based in Qatar, who seems sympathetic to the insurgents.
The fourth guest was supposed to be 'Abu Muhammad', the spokesman for the Ba'ath Party, but he pulled out for some reason.
Al-Shimmeri was introduced as speaking from Baghdad, although I doubt it. Together with Makki, the two other guests tried to chalk up the withdrawal to the victory of the 'resistance'. They are even under the impression that the 'resistance' brought President Obama to power.
Whereas I said that the troop withdrawal today is the result of a U.S. and Iraqi victory against the 'mutinous' insurgents (...yeah, it sounds worse in Arabic). I added that groups like the Islamic Army, contrary to groups like Al-Qaeda, didn't have an agenda other than bringing back a system that gives Sunnis unrepresentational power. The violence they unleashed was designed to twist the arm of the Americans so as to negotiate. The end result is that the demands were too unrealistic and the insurgency was militarily depleted, diminished and defeated. The story of the Iraqi insurgency and its end is one of defeat by attrition, more than any other factor such as political reconciliation.
Anyway, I thought it was funny that I was openly speaking from Baghdad, from Abu Nawwas Street, while the mouth organs for the 'resistance' were in exile or in hiding. Oh, and I got a free PhD to boot, 'Dr. Nibras' this and 'Dr. Nibras' that. Grad school is for suckers.
UPDATE: My mom made this point about the four U.S. soldiers who were killed last night: it's extra saddening because they were so close to finishing up their duties in Iraq, and their families were expecting back home soon. I'm not sure whether this is the same event, but there was a 15 minute fire fight yesterday in the Binook area (northeastern Baghdad) after someone opened fire on a congregation of American soldiers. They were there to check out a site where only the day before a car bomb had gone off targeting a U.S. vehicle patrol. I know this place very well. On one side of the street are long established middle class residents, while on the other is an illegal slum built up within half-finished apartment blocks that were supposed to be distributed to academics. The slum is rife with organized crime rings (drugs, kidnappings, prostitution) associated with the Mahdi Army. The Americans had conducted several security sweeps of the area in the past few years, but the only solution is to mass evict the squatters."
http://talismangate.blogspot.com...-
aljazeera.html
I was wrong. 3arab jarab killed 30 times as many Iraqis as US soldiers in the last month.
' In June, more than 300 Iraqis and 10 Americans were killed.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/3...&
pagewanted=all
And do you have any bad news?
Mojo,Another misguided fircracker exploded on a Kirkuk,marketplace,just a little bit ago,couldn`t be(CIA)False flag ops?It`s to easy to blame the Sunni Arabs!In Kirkuk besides the Ba`athist(Al-Naqshabandi Army)& The Iraqi Liberation Army,both have(Shi`ite Arabs,Shia`Turcmen,Assyrian/Chaldean Christians)But both would also,claim their operations!Regarding the 1991 so-called Shia uprising,it`s a well documented fact that Iranian Revolutionary guard units,cross the border during all the chaos(Kuwait),and started spreading sedition amongst the southern Iraqis!It was met with what it deserved brutal effectiveness!!If the Mexicans crossed our borders with weapons to agitate the Mexican/Americans here,it be turkey shooting season!Same fucking thing!Anand,have we forgotten that in Basra,the Iraqi army were evenly matched by(JAM),but the call up went out and both British & American airplanes & helacopters came in and bombed,strafted Madhi positions!But,that wasn`t the only that saved terrorist al-Malaki`s face,it was the delegation that went to Qum,Iran to speak to the new rulers of Baghdad to Basra,Muqtada(Fat,turbaned,jacked up teeth driller)was strongarmed and told by the top General of the Revolutionary guards to seize fire!So,I don`t believe that the (IA)saved the day there!Theres a lot of propaganda being spread,and alot of ado about nothing!Their NOT sovereign as they were prior to 2003,that's not debatable,so please don`t try!Theres obviously several camps with opposing views here,however,it brings to mind,Hundoras,the American Academy graduate,General who keeps in touch with his instructors from America,was in charge of this recent coup,like the coup in IRAN,IRAQ,PANAMA,Nicaragua,and many other nations unfortunately,are being underminded by the zionist occupied government(ZOG),here in America!Mojo,and for whatever reasons maybe happy to see the President of IRAQ,removed by America BUT that DON`T MAKE IT RIGHT!!!!The TRUE,HONORABLE,BRAVE,VALIENT,HEROIC IRAQI RESISTANCE and everyone that supports them are supporting the right of self determination,and dignity,which nobody should slander,with smear terms like ,Jarab,terrorist,insurgent,al-Qaeda,dead enders,extremists,etc!Lastly,you don`t need a college education to see that this so-called war on terror,was a war of choice that has killed millions,displaced millions more,maimed tens of thousands,that's just the human cost,Iraq is the MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NOW!The American taxpayer has been paying about $9,000,000,000 billion a month!!!Truly ruining the American economy,not that giving Isreal $7,000,000,000 a year don`t help!Bottom line the world would be better off if the American regime was changed!
Who fights corruption by blowing up markets? Evidently the 3arab jarab do!
Who fights occupation by blowing up police stations and bus stations? The brave Arab resistance does! But only in Iraq.
JJ, have you googled "brave arab resistance"?
What do you suggest they should do instead Mojo? Let's see if your advice makes sense.
Do you want them to lay down arms, and forget what the cross-worshippers and raafidhat al-haaqideen have done?
And FYI the insurgency is not all Arab, you are injecting your ridiculous racism into this.
There are Kurdish elements in Ansar al-islam, foreign Salafis from places like Chechnya, probably even fighters from the Far East with slanted eyes.
I expect the "resistance" and other jarab to not blow up markets, like they don't in Cairo and Riyadh and Qatar and Kuwait and other jarab-infested countries.
Yes some Kurds, Chechans, Afghans, and even European self-proclaimed Muslims have also been known to be participants in mass murder, with their fundamentalist thinking and willingness to believe in the bullshit that tells them they will be rewarded in heaven if they kill Shia and Christians. But most of your heroes are 3arab from Morocco to Cairo to Damascus to the Kingdom of 3arab jarab.
Your brave heroes have not been able to touch Maliki. You've murdered 30 times as many Iraqis as US soldiers. You are beyond stupid, beyond unjust. You are the scum of the planet.
Some of the 3arab jarab who've mass murdered Iraqis were born in Yemen. Does Allah love the Yemeni people, after all they've done for Iraq?
In the kingdom of jarab there is even a town called jarab.
http://maps.google.com/maps?clie...=N&hl=en&
tab=wl
"What do you suggest they should do instead Mojo?"
They should find a very, very tall building or a cliff and jump off.
Think of how many years ago the US could have pulled out of Iraq's major cities if only the "resistance" didn't choose to make mass murder of civilians its favorite tool.
"What do you suggest they should do instead Mojo?"
Go liberate other countries instead. Liberate Egypt, KSA, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, UAE. Keep on liberating.
If they want to liberate Iraqis, they should focus their attacks "only" on the Iraqi Army and MNF-I. They should leave Iraqi civilians out of it. Then they should pray that Allah may have mercy on them in heaven when the Iraqi Army liberates the resistance from their bodies.
"Go liberate other countries instead. Liberate Egypt, KSA, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, UAE. Keep on liberating."
Liberate Iran too!
"Cue Anand with his curry-induced drivel."
I wonder if Bruno's racist rants are an indicator of what he was like during the days of Aparheid.
*Apartheid
Now,the Isreals whipping boys will be on large mega bases,I assume the Grads,Kytushas,other missles/fireworks will entertain the yanks!Which idiot suggested they ain`t got terrorist/Dawa criminal,embassy bomber,plane highjacker al-Malaki yet?You have to leave the walled up prison like green zone to become a target,however the resistance nearly showed him and kim sue lee secretary general of the U.N.about 2years ago that even in the cowardly green zone enclave,he`s NOT untouchable!Wouldn`t make a difference anyway,one of his(60)Iranian advisors could jump in their!!!God bless a non-sectarian,Iraqi leader,mujahid,President Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri!
CH,I notice you don`t put any price on the innocence that have been,detained w/o charge for years,while getting raped/tortured,nor do you discuss,how many lives have been snuffed out,murdered,raped,maimed,denegrated by foreign soldiers,Guess you did NOT see some of the photo`s the U.S. let you see from Abu Ghraib prison,men stripped down naked 9n front of female soldiers,some with feces smeared all over them,degrated made to simulate faggot sex,stacking these NOT CHARGED YET Iraqis!Mojo,you don`t do any justice for your compatriots,unless of course its a market bombing that you nor I can`t discount being a (CIA)False flag operation,if your that niave to put it ABOVE what our zionist controlled government willing to do,to stay close to that large reserve of sweet oil,well then hell I sell you some ocean front property in Michigan!!!!!!!!By the way does al-Malaki need a Persian advisor to use the tiolet?(60)advisors from another nation,yeah,he`s a real nationalist!Regards,
You are beyond stupid, beyond unjust. You are the scum of the planet.
"Iz u lookin in da mirror?"
I'm not the one who invited the Crusaders to stay.
After Bush killed like 30,000 people in 2003 over imaginary WMD, your dead-man-walking Yuri nil-Maliki became friends with him,
and the Shia rafidha begged them to stay and kill more
they should focus their attacks "only" on the Iraqi Army and MNF-I
I don't know why you use this Orwellian language like "MNF-I."
Everyone knows the cross-worshipper forces consist 98% of American morons, and the rest are U.S. client states which they strong-armed into
contributing troops, while the population of those countries often doesn't even care about the mission.
Anywayz: if there was an operation targeting the "MNF-I" or the puppet Iraqi forces, you would still condemn it; so this is not really your honest recommendation.
Think of how many years ago the US could have pulled out of Iraq's major cities if only the "resistance" didn't choose to make mass murder of civilians its favorite tool.
They are only pulling out due to the attacks. The change in Washington was brought about by the armed resistance, not by Maliki's home-cooked meals for Bush.
After 5 years, the American electorate realized that they don't even know what they're doing in Iraq.
So today, the sentiment is: "Bring our boys home, and let those ungrateful towelheads kill each other like they've been doing for 2000 years."
McCain, who had suggested a 100-year occupation, and the Bush idea of eternal war with no timetables, have been defeated.
He did say one true thing though, McCain: "If our soldiers weren't getting attacked, nobody would care to withdraw."
There you go, your favorite candidate explains why the Crusaders are starting to flee.
Go liberate other countries instead. Liberate Egypt, KSA, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, UAE. Keep on liberating.
I'm not following you, what are you implying? The Takfiriyeen only attack Iraq because...? I don't understand what your conspiracy theory is.
Are you alluding to sectarianism? Al-Qa3eda loves Hosni Mubarak because he's from a Sunni country?
You rafidites and cow-worshippers really have some idiotic theories.
MNF-I is an Army HQs. I am referring to MNF-I and its constituent forces. One Corps HQs (MNC-I), and one enablement command (MNSTC-I) report to MNF-I.
MNSTC-I is responsible to for developing and improving the ISF. It works with the Iraqi Army Headquarters (Joint Forces Chief of Staff Zebari, Joint Forces Vice Chief
of Staff Nasier Abadi and their HQs) as well as with the MoI Minister and the MoI HQs.
MNC-I is responsible for all the embedded combat advisors in the ISF as well as all combat troops in Iraq. It works with the IGFC (in the IA) and the MoI operations HQs.
[anand] "For those interested in the March 19 - April 9, 2003, battle the best source is "Cobra II.""
It is noted how Anand the Genius Historian rushes out to dig up anything to shore up his washed-up credentials after I stuck it to him on this matter. Man, this guy sure is obsessed with keeping his toadying record pristine!
[bruno] "I see that Dolly remarked on the latest "goodbye presents" that the Iraqis gave the Amreeki. Those are just um, reminders that the USA shouldn't linger. No doubt there will be more."
[dennis] "Bullshit, Bruno. You indiscriminately spin the situation to sound in your favor regardless of what the situation is. That's proof that the insurgents never cared about "occupation"."
Dennis is somewhat confused, here. Killing of the Occupier = love of the Occupier?
Well, I guess that Ol' Dennis is one of those freakish super-right warmongers who believe that killing people is the same as helping them. I can't pretend to understand their logic, it's retarded to me. But there it is, in broad daylight, thanks to Dennis' comment. So that sort of logic exists, alright.
[dennis] "I'm citing the killing of 4 Americans to prove the insurgency is anti-American, not anti-occupation."
I'm citing the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis by the USA to prove that the Americans are anti-Iraqi, then. Somehow, my logic works better than yours.
[mojo] "My mom made this point about the four U.S. soldiers who were killed last night: it's extra saddening because they were so close to finishing up their duties in Iraq"
Oh, *sniff* it sucks to get eliminated after a hard round of invading and pilfering. Wasn't it extra-sad when the Nazis got run out of Russia as well? Gosh, I bet you cried rivers over that, eh?
Bruno I wish you would say these things to a hero from the ISOF. It would make my evening.
I couldn't imagine they would want to waste their time with you though...they have *real* villains to bring down.
"I'm citing the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis by the USA to prove that the Americans are anti-Iraqi"
You can't get much more "anti-Iraqi" than supporting JAM and all their bloody glory--drilling holes into people, mass execution, etc. Wait a sec...having an enchanted evening over the internet with the Baath Founder's nephew might come close.
Our non-sectarian friend Bruno goes to extraordinary lengths to do both, even when it makes him look like a callous hypocrite and a genuine enemy of humanity.
Maybe the lions from the IA and ISOF and INP could kick around the Afrikaner army I wonder how long the Afrikaners would last.
So CH doesn't think I'm a *real* villain! How demeaning ... Nice try.
Maybe Anand could go to Iraq and mention his views in public. I'm guessing he'd be spitting up his nuts in about thirty seconds.
Well, assuming Anand HAS any balls to begin with.
Hail the(AWB)!God bless Eugene terre le Blanche Afrikaner resistance warrior!
[ch] "You can't get much more "anti-Iraqi" than supporting JAM"
Like ... Nouri Al Maliki?
"According to the Iraqi daily al-Zaman, Maliki is bracing himself for a new coalition that will include the Sadrists and the Iraqi Dialogue Front of Saleh al-Mutlak, which is a non-sectarian Sunni group that was formed for the elections of 2005.
[...]
Muqtada is the winning horse as far as Maliki is concerned, judging by the provincial election results of 2009. A simultaneous alliance between both men, as the case in 2006, is very difficult. By walking away from Hakim, Maliki's only obvious alternative is Muqtada.
[...]
If he is to deliver on any of his campaign slogans, he needs to ally himself with local leaders who are powerful on the ground - like Muqtada in Sadr City. The Sadrists, after all, have perfected the patron-client system - charity organizations, health care and neighborhood security, learning from the Hezbollah model in Lebanon. Muqtada's men served as ministers of health, commerce and education in 2006-2007, and they would know how to deliver on these portfolios that matter to ordinary Iraqis. The relationship would be: Maliki provides the Sadrists with political cover - and cabinet posts - in exchange for them legitimizing him on the Iraqi street. Neither the SIIC nor their Badr militia can do that anymore."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/
KE19Ak02.html
Uh ... thanks for the well-intended post, Johnny Reb ... but the AWB are a bunch of clowns. Dodgy people.
CH will be along shortly to explain how Maliki is anti-Iraq because he wants to ally himself with Sadr. Stay tuned.
So JAM doesn't do it for you anymore Bru?
Is Maliki anti-Iraqi because of his alliance with Sadr or is he not, CH?
I mean, you DID say that "You can't get much more "anti-Iraqi" than supporting JAM", right?
Folks, let's not forget that we need Amreeki guidance to determine who is or is not "anti Iraqi".
Only an Amreeki can tell us this.
We await your wisdom, CH.
Maliki wants to reunify the country. He is the leader who disarmed JAM and made the streets of Basra, Kufa, and Karbala liveable.
No he is not anti-Iraqi.
No, no. Let's get this straight: YOU said that JAM and by extension its parent organisation the Sadrists, are "anti Iraqi".
The question of whether JAM is disarmed or not (it remains active) is beside the point. The fact is that Maliki wants to ally himself to the leader of these (eeeeevil) anti-Iraqi folks. Isn't that more or less like claiming that allying oneself with Al Qaeda is OK, so long as they are disarmed? Isn't the point less about the weapons and more about the ideological standing of the people you pick to be your pals?
Maybe America will start the "Friends of Disarmed Al Qaedists Society" soon. Ya think?
The JAM was defeated by Iraqi forces acting under Malaki's orders in 2008. If Malaki now favours a political alliance with Sadrists, you can be certain they had nothing to do with the JAM, whose members were arrested by Maliki. Not that I would trust the claims of some horseshit article in the 'Asia Times'.
Who the fuck is "Malaki"?
Smells like somebody Appy just invented.
MNF-I is an Army HQs. I am referring to MNF-I and its constituent forces. One Corps HQs (MNC-I), and one enablement command (MNSTC-I) report to MNF-I.
It works with the Iraqi Army Headquarters (Joint Forces Chief of Staff Zebari, Joint Forces Vice Chief
of Staff Nasier Abadi and their HQs) as well as with the MoI Minister and the MoI HQs.
I don't speak Hindi. Obviously everyone in the ISF is a traitor (from the secular standpoint) and an apostate (from the religious)
You know, the Nazis also used to refer to the resistance as "banditen."
Everything above is in english.
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