Jesus Mojo, I posted about these guys on June 3 with the title "US TRAINED OFFICIAL IRAQI DEATH SQUADS UNDER MALIKI". You must have been too terrified and ashamed to read it.
NOW YOU ARE PROMOTING THEM AS THE GOOD GUYS!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Want to know what is wrong with these guys? Here you go, I'll repost it for you slowpoke quislings:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200.../20090622/
bauer
Iraq's New Death Squad By Shane Bauer
Bauer is interviewed about the piece:
Shane Bauer, freelance journalist and Arabic speaker living in the Middle East, discusses CIVILIAN ABUSE CLAIMS AGAINST the Iraq Special Operations Forces (ISOF), the actual Salvadoran paramilitary trainers in Iraq that made the “Salvador option” more than analogy, the plight of Iraqi refugees abroad and "how Maliki is using the ISOF – which is accountable only to him – TO CONSOLIDATE HIS POWER."
http://dissentradio.com/radio/
09...06_09_bauer.mp3
Educate yourself dude. You sound like Anand's disease is in you. Did he plant his evil seed in you Mojo (if you know what I mean?)
Iraq offered oil companies one hell of a deal. If they invested all the money, took all the risks, and did all the work, they could receive almost 1% of the revenues. In return, Iraqi's could grumble about westerners stealing their oil, while subsisting on the paltry 99% plus. Can't imagine why the auction did a belly flop.
"Iraqi officials have estimated that based on crude oil at $50 per barrel, the companies could have earned around $16 billion in total. Iraq, meanwhile, would have brought in over $1.7 trillion."
$16 billion over a 20 year period,divided at least a dozen ways. Exxon can do that on a good weekend.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_iraq_oil
If they kill bad guys, that is what Iraq needs.
Why should I be ashamed of an Iraqi force that kills bad guys and prevents bombings?
FYI Red Pill, I vaguely remember your comment about "death squads" being trained by the US, but I didn't read the article. I stumbled upon it today and read the whole thing. I'm sure there were abuses. But obviously there has been much success in reducing bombings, and that is in the interest of Maliki and the US.
Maury | 06.30.09 - 11:20 pm | #
Ha Ha! Well said. Welcome back Maury. Don't go on vacation again without letting us know.
Mojo, two years ago General Jones called the ISOF as good or better than any special forces for any middle east country. (implicitly including Israel, Turkey and Jordan.) The ISOF are really that good. DJ just wrote about the ISOF here:
http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/s.../?/blog/view/4/
The ISOF are pretty darn awesome. They are 4500 strong. They report directly to the National Operations Center (NOC) chaired by PM Maliki. They don't report to MoI or MoD but work with the National Security Adviser (your Dad's friend Muwaffaq Baqer Al-Rubai'ie.)
Maury, why don't the leftists complain about Iraq shooting its natural gas into the air? Why don't they demand that Iraq captures its natural gas and sell it, to fund social spending to help poor people? Many leftists are very stupid people.
Maury, do you think the Chinese companies that won the contracts will be able to deliver the services they have committed to at these prices?
Just wait, now Bruno will scream incoherently at China for helping Iraq (since it is Iraq's largest trading and investment partner, and sells the IA many weapons to boot.) Let us see, will Bruno call for violent attacks against Chinese working inside Iraq?
I think Shell got a contract to capture the natural gas for electricity production Anand. At any rate,I saw the oil story and thought of this site. The oil companies were offered $2 a barrel for anything they produced over quota. Nothing at all for the minimum output. I doubt $2 a barrel would pay for the pipe. The Chinese offered $21 per barrel. If that's the best they can do with 50 cents per hour wages,Iraq will have to get real next time around. Saudi Arabia claims we need $75 per barrel to encourage drilling and Iraq wants it done for $2. It's pretty funny when you think about it.
I see that Anand is a leftist, by definition.
The people Mojo gets his Mojo up for:
"Local gossip is filled with speculation about the fate of more than 50 locals who, two weeks ago, were dragged from their beds in the dead of night by masked gunmen.
All were carted away handcuffed and blindfolded. But Sheikh Fadal has been able to confirm that 12 were later shot in the head and their bodies dumped in nearby suburbs and on the other side of the city. Three of the bodies have been brought back to al-Salam City.
Hassan al-Rahami, a 50-year-old grain merchant, was punished for his membership of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party. Two other bodies were found on a garbage tip on Wednesday.
Sheikh Fadal has confirmed the other nine deaths from pictures filed at the central morgue where, he said, he was informed that the bodies had already been taken to Najaf, in the Shiite south, to be buried in a mass grave because their relatives had not claimed them.
[...]
Now the finger of suspicion is falling on the Wolf Brigade, an Iraqi Interior Ministry commando unit that is frequently accused of running — or protecting — groups of freelance killers. These are the death squads that haunt liberated Iraq.
The mass abductions and killing of Sunni men, often by a signature gunshot to the back of the head, happen with increasing and disturbing frequency.
Members of Shiite religious militias loyal to the parties that control government, or units made up of their fighters who have been folded into the ranks of Iraq's security forces, are accused of using their government-issued weapons, uniforms, vehicles and licences to move during curfew as they take revenge against Sunnis for three years of the insurgency and 30 years of Saddam.
In January, US troops caught one of the squads red-handed, and 22 police commandos under the control of the Interior Ministry were arrested as they set about executing a Sunni hostage. [let it be noted that these men were released and that no action was ever actually taken against them after higher ups in the US heirarchy intervened]
Observers were struck most by what was presumed to be US Army General Joseph Peterson's deliberate use of the plural when he told reporters: "We have found one of the death squads and we believe there's more of them out there."
The director of the Baghdad morgue, Fakir Bakir, recently estimated that the squads were responsible for as many as 7000 summary executions and the UN's outgoing human rights officer in Baghdad, John Pace, last week laid blame for most of the deaths at the feet of the Badr Badr Brigade, the militia wing of SCIRI, the Iranian-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, which is one of the biggest Shiite parties."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/wo...l?
page=fullpage
Just goes to prove that Mojo is, after all a sectarian bigot after all.
Hey what's wrong with Al Qaeda, so long as they kill bad guys and prevent the driller-killers, right? That might be just what Iraq needs. Protection against the evil veggie shoppers!
I mean, we need professional death squads to prevent those evil Sunni grain merchants from taking over, right? So why not get rid of the Shiite veggie shoppers?
It all makes sense, now.
Thanks, Mojo!
What specific unit is the "wolf brigade"? Should I ask about it? Is it the emergency response brigade?
http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/s.../?/blog/view/5/
The kill ISF bigot posts an article from March 11, 2006. And he blames Badr for the violence in Iraq What about the glorious resistance?
Just goes to prove that Bruno is, after all a sectarian bigot after all. So unlike the nonsectarian patriotic Iraqi Mojo. 
Bruno has no evidence from 2009 that the Iraqi Army is sectarian. You know why? Because the IA isn't sectarian. Some local IP are, however.
Red Pill,I could be wrong,but this dirty brigade of young programable brainwashed teenagers who commit terrible crimes against their own countrymen do NOT answer directly to al-Malaki,thought reported to American chiefs,so as to direct them onward to committ the(El-Salvador option)on non-compliant to the Illumanati`s(NEW WORLD ORDER)!This is spreading democracy at its finest!You see when a nominal secular non-sectarian leader puts down mutinies,rebellions,etc the call that Sunni Arab President a bloodthirsty,tyrant,criminal!However,when the supposed other party,group,sect who came to power in the most cowardly way,(Foreign armies tanks,foreign nations intelligence services)They can committ with the debased masters(IRAN,America)WORSE CRIMES IN A SHORTER TIME FRAME!but I guess that's the way certain exiled Iraqis roll!By the way,seen the green zone parade,NO where near as impressive,way less tanks,armor,planes,helacopters then the truly sovereign Iraqi President would demonstrate in past eras,think America could be keeping the new Iraq nominally armed to keep their Isreali clients happy!?!Regards,
Anand, I can't hear you when you have Mojo's dick in your mouth. All you make are these non-sectarian mumbling noises.
The problem with the Counter-Terrorism force is that it has been used by Maliki several times to go after his political opponents - see Diyala and the Islamic Party. If I'm not mistaken there is nothing in the Iraqi constitution either that says the prime minister is commander and chief yet the CTF and the Baghdad Brigade answer only to him.
Meanwhile, Mojo celebrates the death of "jarab", which is translated as "any Arab Mojo doesn't like"
Oh, OK.
[anand] "Bruno has no evidence from 2009 that the Iraqi Army is sectarian."
Anand has no evidence from the last five minutes that Al Qaeda likes to kill Shiites.
Ergo, Al Qaeda likes Shiites.
Cue yet more inane Anand logic.
Maybe the Interior Ministry hasn't mass-killed Sunni in 2009 because most of them were chased out and are living in Syria ... ya think?
What a tool.
Besides, Anand is wrong anyway.
[anand] "Bruno has no evidence from 2009 that the Iraqi Army is sectarian."
I refer:
"Behind the PG version of the insurgency’s demise is tacit acknowledgement that Nouri al-Maliki, the Shi’ite prime minister heading one of the most ineffectual and corrupt governments in the world, has at his disposal a huge American-compiled database that includes the individual names, addresses and biometric information — including iris scans and fingerprints — of some 90,000 Sunni fighters, also known as the "Sons of Iraq," who helped the U.S. decimate al-Qaeda in Iraq during the 2007-2008 Surge. When pressed in a recent conversation, one military official confidently predicted the Sunni opposition would no longer be a problem, even after the supposed drawdown of U.S forces from Iraqi cities June 30. Why? "Because we know where they live," he said easily. Their families and neighbors too. And they know it.
[...]
No doubt engaging his own American-trained Special Forces and at times, direct U.S back-up, Maliki’s government has been "systematically eliminating the perceived threat" of the Sahwa, as described in detail by independent journalist Dahr Jamail back in May. Rosen, too, has interviewed a number of former "sons" who say they have been dragged out of their homes, arrested, tortured, extorted for large sums and set free. The unlucky ones languish in Saddam-era dungeons — the unluckiest are shot on the spot. "We are watching this happen daily," Jamail says in a recent email exchange. "Hardly a day goes by that we don’t see an attack on some Sahwa somewhere in Iraq." He called the attacks "physical evidence" that the American-compiled databases (supplemented, ironically, with Saddam Hussein’s own criminal dossiers, obtained after the invasion) were being used.
http://original.antiwar.com/vlah...our-sunni-sons/
Ah, well, we can always wait until 2011, when Anand, the Emperor of Absurdistan, will posit the idea that the IA is non-sectarian and actually a bunch of bunny-loving tree-lovers because no Sunni had been killed in the last three days by them ...
When will this chump ever manage to get his shoes out of his mouth?
motown67 | Homepage | 07.01.09 - 3:07 am | #
"The problem with the Counter-Terrorism force is that it has been used by Maliki several times to go after his political opponents - see Diyala and the Islamic Party."
I believe that those were not ISOF forces. They were MoI, if memory serves correct. Do you have any evidence that the ISOF has been used to go after political opponents? I know of none.
"If I'm not mistaken there is nothing in the Iraqi constitution either that says the prime minister is commander and chief yet the CTF and the Baghdad Brigade answer only to him."
Please read the ISF OOB flow diagrams on the ISF chain of command.
Currently the PM chairs the National Operations Center (NOC.) The NOC is the US National Security Council Equivalent.
MoI minister, MoD minister, National Security adviser (Counter Terrorism Burear reports to him . . . ISOF reports to the Counter Terrorism Bureau), the President, and others sit on the NOC. The PM Chairs it.
The NOC commands the MoI, MoD, and Counter Terrorism Bureau.
The Counter Terrorism Force is a component of the Counter Terrorism Bureau.
PM Maliki, as chair of the NOC, commands all MoD, MoI and Counter Terrorism Bureau forces. No ifs, ands, or buts. That is Iraqi law. This is consistent with the Iraqi constitution.
Bruno, prove that the IA, in 2009, is sectarian. Do your worst.
The IA divisions which were corrupt, partisan and sectarian were the 5th IAD, 10th IAD, and to a much lesser degree 6th IAD. All sectarian units have been completely retrained from the ground up.
Too late, Indian Idiot. The facts from the ground speak volumes.
No amount of MoI -induced ISF 3rd Bde 5th Cav Div IA acronyms can cover the fact that Maliki and his pals are systematically killing the opposition at home.
Isn't it just typical that Anand tries to find refuge in acronyms and confusion? Isn't it just typical that when he is confronted with first hand evidence of American - trained unit murder, that he twists and twists and twists himself into a knot?
Let it be noted that I, unlike the Indian Idiot, can keep track of an argument. As I will show.
Original statement by Red Pill:
[rp] "Jesus Mojo, I posted about these guys on June 3 with the title "US TRAINED OFFICIAL IRAQI DEATH SQUADS UNDER MALIKI". You must have been too terrified and ashamed to read it. NOW YOU ARE PROMOTING THEM AS THE GOOD GUYS!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
I post supporting evidence:
[b] "Now the finger of suspicion is falling on the Wolf Brigade, an Iraqi Interior Ministry commando unit that is frequently accused of running — or protecting — groups of freelance killers. These are the death squads that haunt liberated Iraq."
Anand immediately jumps in, displaying his cluelessness to all:
[a] "What specific unit is the "wolf brigade"? Should I ask about it? Is it the emergency response brigade? "
Then he realises that he made an idiotic statement, and tries to refine his argument, by trying to fall back on pathetic games with words:
[a] "Bruno has no evidence from 2009 that the Iraqi Army is sectarian."
This is the same old desperate crap that he's been peddling since he drifted into the Iraqi blogosphere like a stale fart. I rightly mock it:
[b] Anand has no evidence from the last five minutes that Al Qaeda likes to kill Shiites. Ergo, Al Qaeda likes Shiites. Cue yet more inane Anand logic.
Then, I point out that Maliki's American-trained death squads are still active in 2009 ... WHICH WAS THE ACTUAL< ORIGINAL subject:
[b] No doubt engaging his own American-trained Special Forces and at times, direct U.S back-up, Maliki’s government has been "systematically eliminating the perceived threat" of the Sahwa
Anand's great comeback, which would supposedly blow me out of the water? Uuuuh ... he thinks that they may have been a different department:
[a]"I believe that those were not ISOF forces. They were MoI, if memory serves correct. Do you have any evidence ..."
Anand, do you have ANY evidence that you are not a complete and utter TOOL?
A DORK of galactic proportions?
No?
The Counter-Terrorism force were used on the raid on the Diyala provincial council offices in which they killed the governor's secretary and one of his bodyguards, beat the deputy governor, and got into a firefight with local police that killed or wounded 4 of them. The raid arrested the security chief for the Diyala council and arrested a university president. This was during the security operation in Diyala which quickly became a political move by Maliki to try to smash the alliance between the SOI and Islamic Party and push the Kurds on disputed territories. There are 2 other examples where Maliki sent them off to get rid of his political rivals. It's not the force that's the problem, it's how Maliki has sometimes used them.
I'm a sectarian bigot? OK, as long as there is peace in Iraq. As long as the 3arab jarab stop blowing up markets, I will be a sectarian bigot.
Bruno and his fellow jarab can go to fvcking hell. Eat khera ya jarab!!
Thankfully the Americans aren't running away from the terrorists who blow up markets and police stations.
FYI, about half of Iraqi adults were members of the Ba3ath party.
Isn't the ISOF the same organization that fought Jaish al Mahdi? Was that sectarian ya jarab?
Are Bruno and his fellow jarab angry that the new Iraqi govt has the teeth with which they can kill the bad guys, or are they genuinely concerned that the guys being killed might be innocent? If it's the latter, where were you dumbfvcks before 2003?
'The Iraqi Special Operations Force (ISOF) is officially the Iraqi Army Counter Terrorism Command. It is a 4,500 man force that is recruited equally from Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish elements. It is the Iraqi equivalent to the US Military's Special Operations Command and is funded by the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. This is the subordinate "teeth" component that is currently under the operational command of the Counter Terrorism Bureau, but it also has a role supporting the Iraqi Army against external threats.'
http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/s.../?/blog/view/4/
"There are 2 other examples where Maliki sent them off to get rid of his political rivals. It's not the force that's the problem, it's how Maliki has sometimes used them."
Thanks for that comment, motown67. It seems that Maliki is the one who has to go. It's too bad the "resistance" hasn't able to touch Maliki, and all they can do is blow up markets.
I should have said that about half of Iraqi adults *have been* members of the Ba3ath party at some point in their lives, and that any Iraqi who worked for the govt had no choice if they wanted to keep their jobs.
"Though the Baath party was formally the institution that ruled Iraq, actual power, even in the early days, was in the hands of a narrow elite united by family and tribal ties, not ideology.
During the 1970s surnames were abolished to attempt to disguise this - ID cards and birth certificates recorded only the individuals first name and father's name.
Baathism was associated with radical Arab nationalism - a key barometer for this was a hardline approach to the Palestinian issue.
In the late 1980s, the party claimed more than 1.5 million members, about 10% of Iraqis."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
2886733.stm
'Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Kamal Al-Maliki, Critical of Consensus Democracy, Calls for a Presidential System' By Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli
'It is perhaps ironic that Nouri Al-Maliki chose the U.S.-funded satellite television channel Al-Hurra on which to denounce the current political system based on consensus democracy which has catapulted him to the top. Al-Maliki said that a consensus was necessary in the early stages of transition to democracy after the fall of the Saddam region, but that if the rule by consensus should persist, it will turn into a disaster. He said "Democracy means the rule by the majority and the idea of consensus democracy is not compatible with [true] democracy and, in fact, contradicts it." [3] He called for limiting the force of agreements that guarantee certain positions to the Kurds (the presidency of the republic), to the Sunnis (the presidency of parliament), [4] and, of course, to the Shia (the premiership). It is a system of power sharing commonly referred to in Iraq as has-hasah which, when taken to extremes, has meant that every single position in government, from the president of the republic to the office messenger, is distributed along the power-sharing principle according to a numerical formula based on a census taken decades ago. [5] This formula for distributing government positions could drastically change if the preparations for census to be conducted next year proceed on schedule.
Al-Maliki said that after the next round of national elections he "will call to put an end to the consensus." His critics quickly claimed that a strict majority rule means a rule by the Shi'a.'
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.....cgi?
ID=IA53009
'Reflecting the views of the Saudi regime, which supports the Iraqi Sunnis, columnist for the Saudi-owned Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, has argued that a presidential system similar to the one in the United States is difficult to implement in a divided country like Iraq. The introduction of such a system would be the cause of protests and an exchange of grave accusations, that could lead to the country's partition rather than unification. Al-Rashed suggests that the formula closest to Iraq is the parliamentary system in Israel, with multiple parties and the constant need to make alliances. [18]'
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.....cgi?
ID=IA53009
Is the "Wolf Brigade" the same as the ISOF? Wasn't the Wolf Brigade one of Hakim's militias? Does the Wolf Brigade even exist anymore? Or is Bruno's head about to explode?
Note that the article Bruno posted is dated March 2006: http://www.theage.com.au/news/wo...l?
page=fullpage
Bruno, how many Iraqis has the resistance killed in the last week?
Reading that article reminds me that at least some of those killed by Badr had been involved in the insurgency that killed so many Iraqi civilians.
"The Sunnis I saw being piled onto the Nissan pick-up were bad people — mostly from the al-Ghadi tribe. One of them worked with the insurgency and some of the others made two attacks on Shiite mosques. In the first they injured Akiel, the muezzin, and sent him to hospital for three weeks; the next time they sent him to his grave."
Thanks for posting the link, Bruno!
The Wolf Brigade is a regular unit, it's not the Special Forces/Counterterrorism one.
Also these are all articles that say the Counter Terrorism Force was the one that carried out the raid on the Diyala provincial council building at the end of 2008.
Russo, Claire, “Diyala Provincial Election,” Institute for the Study of War, 1/30/09
Rubin, Alissa, “Ahead of Election, Iraq’s Leader Pushes for Gains,” New York Times, 1/26/09
Murray, Bill, “Bungled raid in Diyala threatens political developments, military operations,” Long War Journal.org, 8/20/08
Raghavan, Sudarsan and Mizher, Qais, “Arrests in Iraq Seen as Politically Motivated,” Washington Post, 12/19/08
Bauer, Shane, “Iraq’s New Death Squad,” The Nation, 6/22/09
Parker, Ned and Salman, Raheem, “Good signs jostle with doubts in Iraq,” Los Angeles Times, 6/30/09
From the last one:
"Iraqi special forces, which fall under Maliki's control, and other army units have jailed elected officials as well as leaders of the Sunni fighters who rose up against Al Qaeda. Special forces arrested Hussein Zubaidi, deputy chair of the provincial security committee, in August. In May, after the Sunni coalition won the provincial elections, they jailed Abdul Jabar Ibrahim, who had been the Sunnis' top candidate. Both were accused of terrorism."
http://www.latimes.com/news/
nati...680,print.story
Thanks motown67 for the comment. It does appear that Maliki has abused his power!
[mojo] "are they genuinely concerned that the guys being killed might be innocent? If it's the latter, where were you dumbfvcks before 2003?"
[mojo] "Reading that article reminds me that at least some of those killed by Badr had been involved in the insurgency that killed so many Iraqi civilians."
Yes well, at least some of those killed in the 1991 uprising were "bad folks" that murdered government officials and torched government buildings. Now, doesn't that make you feel better?
[mojo] "It seems that Maliki is the one who has to go. It's too bad the "resistance" hasn't able to touch Maliki"
So Mojo wants the Resistance to get rid of Maliki? Well, that's an interesting development, I must say.
[mojo] "Is the "Wolf Brigade" the same as the ISOF? Wasn't the Wolf Brigade one of Hakim's militias? Does the Wolf Brigade even exist anymore? [...] Note that the article Bruno posted is dated March 2006"
No, Mojo, see, after 2006, the Wolf Brigade evapourated. Yeah, the men that the Amreeki trained up dematerialised and are currently on a secret tourist resort under a dome on the surface of Pluto, playing dice with the knuckles of their victims. The new deathsquads are entirely new, see, because the Amreeki like to train up a new deathsquad every year. It's more fun that way, see?
I'd like to see the "resistance" stop killing Iraqi civilians.
Shia rebels murdered govt officials in 1991? Smells like you pulled that one out of your butt, Bruno. Hopefully they didn't kill any innocent people.
Better to torch govt buildings and kill Saddam's Republican Guard than blow up markets. Did any Shia rebels blow up markets in 91? Did they attack any mosques?
http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/20...ing-
fields.html
Did the Shia rebels kill any women and children in 1991?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9062000434.html
See this Mojo?
Lawsuit accuses Xe contractors of murder, kidnapping, child prostitution
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/07/...rder-
kidnapping
02 Jul 2009 A just-amended lawsuit alleges six additional instances of unprovoked attacks on Iraqi civilians by Blackwater mercenaries. Three people, including a 9-year-old boy, are said to have died. Also added to the suit is a racketeering count accusing Blackwater founder Erik Prince of running an ongoing criminal enterprise involved in, among other things, kidnapping and child prostitution(friends of yours Anand?).
The latest charges, filed this week in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, bring to more than 60 the number of Iraqis allegedly killed or wounded since 2005 by armed Blackwater mercenaries guarding U.S. diplomatic personnel in Iraq. The Moyock, N.C.-based security company, since renamed Xe, earned more than $1 billion under that contract before the State Department, under pressure from the Iraqi government, let it lapse in May.
"Teacher Goes "ALL OUT" for Sex Ed"
http://current.com/items/9032511...-for-sex-
ed.htm
"Woman has sex with student, 15, plus 7 friends"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ind...ew&
pageId=67790
More on the Counter Terrorism Force being used for Maliki's political ends.
From Balancing Maliki, Institute for the Study of War, June 2009
http://www.understandingwar.org/...alancing-
maliki
"The Counter-Terrorism Bureau, for example, had conducted a raid on the Diyala Governance Center in the provincial capital of Baqubah in August 2008. The raid targeted Hussain al-Zubaydi, a Sunni member of the Diyala provincial council and the head of the security committee. The governor's secretary was shot and killed as the counter-terrorism force battled with local police who were guarding the facility. Zubaydi and the president of the Diyala University were arrested during the raid and taken to an unknown location. The raid was said to have been ordered by the Prime Minister's office and stocked fears of sectarian targeting by the counter-terrorism force.
Such fears were heightened when Malik's Counter-Terrorism Bureau conducted a raid on the Ministry of Interior on December 18, arresting at least two dozen employees on charges of involvement in a Ba'athist conspiracy. ... Many speculated that the raid was aimed at undermining Interior Jawad al-Bolani, who headed the Iraqi Constitutional Party, and whose political aspirations made him a rival to the Prime Minister. ... The charges against those detained in the Ministry of Interior raid were dropped several days later (confirming the general suspicions that the raid was politically motivated or based on unfounded charges)."
For background on why Maliki ordered the Diyala raid see: http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...-in-
diyala.html
[mojo] "Shia rebels murdered govt officials in 1991? Smells like you pulled that one out of your butt, Bruno. [...] Did any Shia rebels blow up markets in 91? Did they attack any mosques?"
Wikipedia somewhat glosses over the actual scale and violence of the 1991 rebellion, (from what other Iraqis have told me) but even from wikipedia, its apparent that I'm correct:
"In Najaf, a demonstration near the city's great Imam Ali Mosque became a gun battle between Shia deserters and Saddam's security forces; the rebels seized the shrine as Ba'ath members fled the city or were killed. The uprising spread within days to all of the largest Shia cities of southern Iraq: Karbala, Hilla, Nasiriyah, Amarah, Samawa, Kut, and Diwaniya; smaller cities were also swept up in the revolt. There was also unrest in the Shiite slum of Sadr City (then-called Saddam City), in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad. On the day that each city rebelled, masses of unarmed civilians and small contingents of rebels converged in the streets. They descended on government buildings shouting anti-regime and pro-Iranian slogans before staging an attack. Government forces fought back, but were either killed, captured or allowed to fle; once in control, the rebels flung open the regime's prisons and interrogation centers and seized small caches of weapons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
199...risings_in_Iraq
Fact remains, Mojo, that if you are happy with the deathsquads that the Amreeki trained up for the UIA, then you have nothing - repeat, nothing - to complain about Saddam's reaction to the 1991 rebellion.
Kill ISF Bruno, the Iraqi people were fighting for their freedom from the wanna be anti christ Saddam. The Iraqis have been fighting for their freedom since 1980. There is no excuse for Saddam's genocide against the Iraqi people.
The Iraqi resistance did not mass murder tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians between 1980 and 2003 in mass casualty terrorist attacks.
Know this ISF killer, the ISF has won. They have smashed your boys. Now CNOOC and British Petroleum will develop and sell some Iraqi natural gas and oil, generating revenue for the elected and fully legitimate Iraqi government you so hate. Iraq is going to be a more spendid success than you can imagine. And the IA will soon be the greatest army in the Arab world. There is nothing that you and your people can do about it but watch and weep. Even if the US abandons the Iraqis, it won't save you. The ISF and Iraqi government is here to stay. They will "STILL" smash you and yours.
So the Shia rebels DID NOT bomb markets in 1991? They DID NOT murder women and children?
Well that's GOOD! And thanks for confirming what I thought. Bruno, your heroes have committed some of the most horrific crimes against Iraqi civilians in the last 6 years. If they confined their attacks to govt buildings and govt workers, their actions would have been less criminal. But your heroes bombed women and children. You and your fellow jarab are the cockroach SCUM of the planet, Bruno.
For the record (not for Bruno and his fellow jarab), I do not condone the killing of innocent civilians, whether the killing is done by Shia "death squads" or by Sunni slimy scum like AQ.
The bombings committed by AQ and other jarab have indiscriminately killed and maimed the most innocent Iraqis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lis...Iraq_since_2003
'The vice president's visit coincides with a spike in violence, with several bloody bombings in Baghdad and a car bomb in Kirkuk. Tuesday, more than 30 people were killed by a powerful car bomb in Kirkuk.
Conflicts between the mostly Shi'ite government of Prime Minister al-Maliki and the hardline Sunni opposition continue. Key Sunni groups accused the prime minister of cheating during the January elections and complain regularly that he awards top posts to Shi'ites.
Some Sunnis are also not pleased by Kurdish autonomy in the north, and the prospect of the ethnically divided, oil rich city of Kirkuk going to the Kurds, has many worried.
Hardline sunni MP Iyad Samaraie told Al-Baghdadia TV that "everything the Kurds have done, including their constitution, since the U.S.-led invasion … should be considered null and void."
Dialogue encouraged
Middle East analyst Khattar Abou Diab, who is a professor at the University of Paris III, says that Vice President Biden is aiming to push Iraqi politicians to engage in more dialogue and less violence.
He says that we're now in a transition phase, following the U.S. pullout from Iraqi cities, and efforts are being made to normalize ties with Iraq. The French prime minister's visit, Thursday, he notes, is part of that normalcy, including economic ties …. [Biden's] visit, he argues, has a larger vista: he's trying to consolidate the political dialogue now under way, to normalize the situation further before the final US pullout, and he's still facing obstacles of violence, regional meddling, and the situation in Kirkuk. Negotiations are the only way around these problems, he concludes.
June was the bloodiest month in the last eight in terms of Iraqi civilian casualties, according to Iraqi government figures, and both northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul remain powderkegs. '
http://www.voanews.com/english/2...-07-03-
voa9.cfm
I wonder if the Shia rebels killed more Iraqis in 1991 than the Ba3thi & Wahhabi jarab have killed in the last week.
I wonder if the Shia rebels killed more Ba3thi jarab than the number of Iraqis killed by Sunni extremists on one day in 2007: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6951221.stm
And where do all these Shi'a idiots in Iraq come from?
What year did they invade Iraq and begin to pirate themselves as "Iraqis"?
Shias in Iraq: http://www.globalsecurity.org/mi...igion-
shia1.htm
Happy Independence Day America...
"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America"
http://www.ushistory.org/Declara...ument/
index.htm
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
TJ
Happy Independence Day America...
No one cares, moron. F U
Kill ISF Bruno
That is your taunt? Killing ISF is one of the best deeds
"And where do all these Shi'a idiots in Iraq come from?"
Its amazing how someone can hate 80 percent of a country, call for the genocide and mass murder of that 80 percent, and then claim to support the people of said country.
When hatred consumes an individual, it can lead to tragedy. Let us not forget James Von Brunn, who opened fire at the Holocaust Museum last month after a lifetime of anger, rage, and threats. He too, thought that a very small group of people were the identity of America, much in the way that Dolly sees Iraq.
"Killing ISF is one of the best deeds"
Well then you must have had an overwhelming urge to blow yourself up when you saw the images of Iraqis laying flowers on the patrol vehicles of their beloved ISF--the heroes who are protecting them from murderous scum that you support.
Poor Dolly, what a pathetic little man.
Well I don't believe they are 80%, this is probably another lie.
My understanding is that Iraq belongs to the Sunnis, and has been stolen by the rafidites.
Well then you must have had an overwhelming urge to blow yourself up when you saw the images of Iraqis laying flowers on the patrol vehicles of their beloved ISF
Close. I felt an overwhelming urge to blow them up.
Americans don't care about Iraq, they are just happy that the Shia have volunteered to be their slaves.
It's very useful for the U.S. to have these subhumans do all the dying for them.
If Maliki was unprepared to kill his own citizens for the sake of American security, then American soldiers might have to do it.
Luckily there are 750,000 Iraqi Shia monkeys ready to die for the ol' red white and blue.
O Allah, burn them in the Fire. O Allah destroy them for they are within your power.
O Allah, count them, kill them, and leave not even one of them. O Allah make their wives widows, their children orphans.
Dolly is not only pathetic, but stupid too.
LG> 1776 - 2009
When we do the dying ourselves we get called occupiers. When we let them handle their own security, we're slave masters (but seriously, "volunteered to be their slaves"? Read that again.)
Bruno must be so proud of his apprentice.
LG> 1776 - 2009
Fuck off, nobody cares about your POS country, you working class loser.
When we let them handle their own security, we're slave masters
The U.S. is not to blame for the Iraqi Shia decision to march under the Crusader banner, they did it out of their own accord.
I hold the Iraqi Shia directly accountable, and it is good that their "New Iraq™" has run into a bit of difficulty since 2003.
With the advent of new technologies, I think "liberating" many more Iraqi voters in a single bombing is feasible.
I hope Dolly doesn't live anywhere near an Iraqi Embassy or consulate.
Same here. Her honesty is too refreshing: I'd hate to see her go.
[mojo] "Bruno, your heroes have committed some of the most horrific crimes against Iraqi civilians in the last 6 years."
Huh?
[mojo] "If they confined their attacks to govt buildings and govt workers, their actions would have been less criminal. But your heroes bombed women and children."
Oh! Mojo's talking about Al Qaeda. The people that his arch-enemy Saddam Hussein protected Iraqis from for years. Trust somebody like Mojo to cheer for deposing the previous government and then cry big fat tears when all the nutters come over and kill his people.
[mojo] "For the record (not for Bruno and his fellow jarab), I do not condone the killing of innocent civilians, whether the killing is done by Shia "death squads" or by Sunni slimy scum like AQ."
For the record, this is the umpteenth time that I have stated that I do not support Al Qaeda nor the American-trained, Interior ministry deathsquads. Yet Mojo keeps calling them my heroes. Maybe he has got a giant piece of wax stuck in his ears?
Bruno,I remember you saying Mojo's relative deserved to be murdered in front of his wife and children. His crime was being a government employee or some such nonsense. Just stop the pretense already. You cheered while Iraq burned. And not for the good guys either.
Remember the Fedayeen Saddam, Bruno? They were Al-Qaeda in drag. Your so-called "resistance" has never been anything more than a Baathist-AQI alliance. The only anti al-Qaeda Sunni Arabs were the Awakening movement, who were on the US payroll.
Lots of blabbing, very little proof.
In that spirit, Apostate molests little children, while Maury takes pictures. Heinous!
"The people that his arch-enemy Saddam Hussein protected Iraqis from for years. "
and then when the murderous dictator was toppled and made to answer for his crimes, he and his ba3thi bitches unleashed the hounds of hell on the Iraqi people. and you think he was cool.
did Saddam protect the Iraqi people from AQ all by his bad self?
The scum of the earth want the Iraqi people to say "bring back Saddam!" by bombing their markets. The cockroach 3arab jarab sent 1,200 suicide bombers to Iraq, but even that did not compel the Iraqi Shia and Kurds to yell "bring back Saddam!" like the South African and 3arab jarab want them to. Why is that?
Saddam the great protector of the Iraqi people!!
http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/20...ing-
fields.html
YOU THINK SADDAM LIKED AQ MOJO?
IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
YOU THINK HE SUPPORTED THEM AND WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE IRAQ RUN BY THEM EINSTEIN? YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED AQ TO GO AROUND BOMBING WHOEVER THEY WANTED WHENEVER AND WHEREVER THEY WANTED AND GETTING MORE AND MORE POWERFUL UNTIL THEY COULD EASILY CRUSH HIM?
AQ/OBL HATED SADDAM, EINSTEIN,THEY WERE ENEMIES! YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS?
CAN'T BELIEVE HOW CLUELESS SOME FAUX IRAQI BLOGGERS ARE. QUITE AMAZING!
The End of Iraq's "Awakening"?
An interview with the commander of the Sunni-led Awakening movement reveals the possibility of a new anti-U.S. resistance.
http://www.alternet.org/world/10...22awakening%22/
On October 1 the Iraqi government was slated to take over responsibility for the Awakening movement, which includes about 100,000 mostly Sunni fighters in the provinces of Anbar, Salahuddin and Diyala and in the mostly Sunni western suburbs of Baghdad. Made up of many former Baathists, ex-military officers from the Saddam Hussein era and other assorted secular nationalists, the Awakening -- in Arabic, sahwa, also referred to by the U.S. military as the Sons of Iraq -- involves thousands of former guerrillas from the 2003-07 Iraqi resistance.
(GET THAT MOJO? EX BAATHISTS, FORMER RESISTANCE FIGHTERS, FORMER INSURGENTS, AND EX MILITARY OFFICERS FROM SADDAM ERA! THE VERY RESISTANCE YOU ALWAYS CONDEMN IN SUCH A SIMPLISTIC AND CHILDISH AND ERRONEOUS WAY!) PRICELESS!
Maury, my most favorite person in all of history. I heard you say you were leaving this blog and never returning EVER!!! I knew your word was worthless and that you had no honor or integrity but I didn't think even such a spineless wimp/poser as you would cave in and bend over so easily and so soon grandpa! Let's hope you are able to achieve some semblance of honor and integrity in your Golden years. Best of luck gramps!
Maury is killer cool. He is pro clean technology
Red Pill's article was from last fall. The IA (Iraqi Army) has fully taken over the sons of Iraq. Now violence in Iraq against the IA + IP + MNF-I is at an all time low. What happened to the resistance? Why are they so scared of the IA? Why are they still hiding out in Syria, Jordan, and KSA?
I have never heard Mojo attack the IA or the sons of Iraq. So far the Sons of Iraq have remained loyal to the IA and GoI. Why do you think Mojo has a problem with the sons of Iraq?
Mojo knows more about the connections between Saddam and AQ linked networks than you do.
You're an idiot, Red Pill. We condemned the "resistance" because it allied with terrorists and fought an elected government. Obviously, since they became part of the Awakening, they no longer do either, hence no longer deserve condemnation.
Saying Saddam and AQ weren't allies just because they might have had a power struggle in the future is ridiculous. The Communists and Capitalists were allies in World War II even though they pretty much KNEW they'd end up fighting each other after they dealt with their common enemy. The same is true of Japan and Germany. You think Germany, which wanted to take over the world and was considering extending the Holocaust to yellow people, would have stayed friends with Japan if and when they had finished dealing with the Allies? No, but they were friends against a common enemy.
"YOU THINK SADDAM LIKED AQ MOJO?
IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?"
No that is not what I am saying. I have never said that Saddam liked AQ.
"CAN'T BELIEVE HOW CLUELESS SOME FAUX IRAQI BLOGGERS ARE. QUITE AMAZING!"
I can't believe how stupid some faux liberals are. Quite amazing!
For faux liberal dumbshits: http://www.amnesty.org/en/
librar...40082001en.html
What happened to the resistance? Why are they so scared of the IA?
Actually, 3 IA and 2 IP were gunned down in a single operation yesterday. I must admit it makes me chuckle every time
"Maury, my most favorite person in all of history."
I guess I should know who you are then. Can't be DJ or the fat white girl that wanted to be Arab so bad she could taste it. Merlin? Marlin? They didn't use a smiley face after every word. Those red pills must make you really happy.
[dennis] "We condemned the "resistance" because it allied with terrorists and fought an elected government."
Crap! You warmongers were against Iraqi resistance to invasion even before the 2005 'elections'. FACT.
[dennis] "Saying Saddam and AQ weren't allies just because they might have had a power struggle in the future is ridiculous."
Dennis the Idiot evidently isn't aware that bin Laden actually organised men to go and topple Saddam. ALREADY. But then, ignorance is par for the course when it comes to these opinionated Amreeki warmongers.
[dennis] "The Communists and Capitalists were allies"
Fair enough. Need I point out that America helped organise and finance proto-Al Qaeda against the SOviets. Now, that was a good idea, wasn't it?
You know, something just struck me: didn't Maury throw his toys out of the cot over the Israel story and leave this place for ever and ever and ever?
Geez, you just can't trust anybody these days.
"You know, something just struck me"
It struck Red Pill first. Yes,I said I wouldn't be back. No,I didn't say for ever and ever and ever....or EVER,as Red Pill claimed. Us ancient old granpa's can get away with stuff like that. It's called someteimers.
That's okay. You've made the claim you didn't enthusiastically cheer for Zarqawi and friends....and we all know how true that is,right Bruno?
Oh, alright, I see that Maury is cool and chilled once again now that the emphasis is back onto killing Iraqis as opposed to the slaughter of Palestinians by the Israelis. Given that Maury cheered enthusiastically for Zarqawi and friends it is not surprising.
^
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Well, that's dependent on how loosely you interpret "and friends" of course. Since nobody I know cheered for Zarqawi.
What a pity Maury decided to come back.
Still, maybe we get to see him throw his toys again. That could be fun.
"Dennis the Idiot evidently isn't aware that bin Laden actually organised men to go and topple Saddam. ALREADY. But then, ignorance is par for the course when it comes to these opinionated Amreeki warmongers."
Dennis the Idiot? How long did it take you to come up with that?
And when Saddam was toppled, the Baathist insurgency, which obviously existed before Saddam was captured, allied with Al Qaeda. The Baathist insurgency represented Saddam at that time, genius.
"Fair enough. Need I point out that America helped organise and finance proto-Al Qaeda against the SOviets. Now, that was a good idea, wasn't it?"
No, it was a horrible idea. But it should sound like a good idea to an anti-invasionist who was willing to cheer on Sadr's militia. Of course, I know you're not an anti-invasionist at all: rather, you have no morals and simply hate America.
"Crap! You warmongers were against Iraqi resistance to invasion even before the 2005 'elections'. FACT."
Uh, yeah. Didn't you see the "allied with terrorists" part? Besides, the pre-2005 years were to pave the way for democracy, the same way Germany didn't have elections immediately after it was invaded. Unless the insurgents thought they could do it faster, they were opposing democracy.
Bruno has spun his own reality Dennis. He only supported freedom fighters....which only killed merkins......which killed a million Iraqi's all by their lonesome.....in order to steal Iraqi oil.....to further dollar hegemony....so merkins could rule the world.
He got various snippets of his distorted world view from nutter web sites....so it must be true.
[dennis] "Dennis the Idiot? How long did it take you to come up with that?"
Don't worry, not long. That's because you're not worth wasting too much time on.
[dennis] "the Baathist insurgency, which obviously existed before Saddam was captured, allied with Al Qaeda."
Let's clarify: not all the resistance was Baath, or Sunni, or even Arab.
Let's clarify another point: the "resistance" is not a single monolithic group like the US military. It is best described as hundreds of little groups working more or less towards a single goal, whic is ejecting the invader from Iraq.
Let's get down to brass tacks: your "alliance" is nothing more than an agreement to not kill each other and to rather kill the invading Americans. When your "alliance" broke down, it is the resistance groups themselves that chased Al Qaeda outta town. A large part of the Awakening is de facto resistance members. Of course, there are also many "reformed" Al Qaeda members within it that the Americans in their wisdom decided to hire.
[dennis] "an anti-invasionist who was willing to cheer on Sadr's militia"
I've got no problem with the Sadrists when they work towards Iraqi freedom. The sectarian mess that they were involved in was deplorable, however, and served only to weaken the resistance. On the other hand, when the American-trained deathsquads were out in force murdering Sunna by the thousand, we heard a big fat silence from concerned Merkins like you.
[dennis] "you have no morals and simply hate America."
No, I love America and the death squads it trains up, just like you, Dennis. (How was that deadpan delivery, eh?)
[bruno] "Crap! You warmongers were against Iraqi resistance to invasion even before the 2005 'elections'. FACT."
[dennis] Uh, yeah.
Q.E.D. ...
[dennis] "Unless the insurgents thought they could do it faster, they were opposing democracy."
America != democracy.
The Americans wanted some idiotic imperial system based on US-picked "caucuses" that would run Iraq for them. Sistani, to his credit, saw them right soon enough.
Maury, shouldn't you be doing something useful about now? Hurry up man, your prune juice is getting stale!
After that, an afternoon nap (where you can dream of a world where American propaganda is believed by all and where Iraqis all became cake and sweet throwing Christians five minutes after the USA crossed the border) while the juice does its little magic.
Man, I feel sorry for all the other Americans that have to put up with the uber-geniuses that infest this blog. Wow. It must really suck for them.
I wonder if the normal Americans have giant fans mounted to their houses to blow away the stench of lies and hypocrisy that these warmongers exude?
"The Americans wanted some idiotic imperial system"
Bruno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=F...player_embedded
"The Real Quagmire in the Middle East"
http://www.michaeltotten.com/arc...real-
quagmi.php
Aton with some doubtless pathetic you-tube video.
Will I click on it?
Uh, no.
"Let's clarify another point: the "resistance" is not a single monolithic group like the US military. It is best described as hundreds of little groups working more or less towards a single goal, whic is ejecting the invader from Iraq."
Which is exactly what an alliance is. Care to explain the quotes? Surely the only thing that made the Communists and Capitalists, or Germans and Japanese, allies is that they didn't fight each other and engaged a common enemy.
Besides, if they truly oppose eachother and simply ally to fight the US, that means we'd have had several more wars to look forward to if they'd won. And you call us the warmongers...
"When your "alliance" broke down, it is the resistance groups themselves that chased Al Qaeda outta town. A large part of the Awakening is de facto resistance members."
No, it was FORMER "resistance" groups that chased Al Qaeda outta town. If they are working with US troops they are no longer "resistance".
"I've got no problem with the Sadrists when they work towards Iraqi freedom. The sectarian mess that they were involved in was deplorable, however, and served only to weaken the resistance."
So? You still picked them over the US, despite the secratarian mess they were involved in. By your logic I can excuse the US involvement with proto-Al Qaeda because I thought half of what they did was noble.
"On the other hand, when the American-trained deathsquads were out in force murdering Sunna by the thousand, we heard a big fat silence from concerned Merkins like you."
And when Operation Cavalry Charge was underway to clear Basrah from terrorists (now Basrah's a much safer place), we heard OBJECTION from people like you. When the insurgents were turning Anbar and Fallujah into hell because they'd rather side with Al Qaeda than the Americans, we heard CHEERS from people like you.
"America != democracy.
The Americans wanted some idiotic imperial system based on US-picked "caucuses" that would run Iraq for them. Sistani, to his credit, saw them right soon enough."
Yet you think insurgents = democracy? Show me proof that the majority of the insurgency was fighting pre-2005 because they opposed imperialist US-picked caucuses or whatever the hell you just said. Did the insurgency plummet the instant the US changed its mind?
"No, I love America and the death squads it trains up, just like you, Dennis. (How was that deadpan delivery, eh?)"
I remember when Ben was around (who, by the way, turned out to be nothing but a satire character created by someone named Syrian Soldier), Bruno denied that he hated America. Evidently he's a lying sack of shit.
"I've got no problem with the Sadrists when they work towards Iraqi freedom."
THAT's our Bruno. Sadrists working towards freedom....LOL. Yes,Bruno cheered while Iraq burned.
"There have also been increased attacks in areas in Baghdad where Shiite extremists say they are regrouping, such as Baiyaa and Sadr City. An explosion in Sadr City last week at a market killed more than 70 people."
There are no merkins in Sadr City. How exactly do civilians at a market stand between the Sadrists and "freedom" again Bruno?
"Three Shiite militia members said extremists hope that by targeting civilian populations in places like Sadr City, they will draw the Americans back into the fight."
Makes perfect sense. If there are no "invaders" around,mass murder your fellow civilians until the merkins come out to play. Give us a hip hip hooray Bruno!
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...3304271591.html
Now the finger of suspicion is falling on the Wolf Brigade, an Iraqi Interior Ministry commando unit that is frequently accused of running — or protecting — groups of freelance killers.
There was a video 3 years ago, featuring an Iraqi puppet soldier explaining how they would threaten people
that their family would be killed unless they state on camera they were involved in indecent acts.
Screencap: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46...00/ 32345830.jpg
You traitors should pay very close attention to videos of captured Maliki soldiers. Before they are executed,
they repent to Allah and they have very grim faces. This is the moment of truth.
They are visibly not looking forward to a martyr's end. This is like a spoiler if you want to know the end of the war.
It is in the final seconds of these bastards' lives.
Maury, attacks against the IA and IP remain at all time lows. What is happening in Sadr city is attacks by AQ linked networks against Iraqi civilian population centers. I wouldn't blame Muqtada for the violence. He is sticking to his cease fire. In 2006 and 2007, many of the nominal JAM were not loyal to Muqtada, but followed Khamenei.
Are you aware that Al-Qa3eda in the Land of the Two Rivers stopped using the name AQ in 2006
The people still using the term AQ to describe developments in Iraq, are either uninformed or malicious
"They are visibly not looking forward to a martyr's end."
Who looks forward to burning in hell for eternity? Yes,you can go to heavan after murdering 3000 people in cold blood,but only if you visited a titty bar the night before. And yes,you go to paradise after slaughtering innocent civilians with murder/suicide bombings....but only if you kept your cucumbers and tomatoes separate. God especially approves of chopping heads off of infidels that hold their arms the wrong way while praying to him. But,chopping heads won't get you many virgins if your sheep didn't wear pampers. Being a martyr isn't easy Dolly. It's not just drug running,money laundering,extortion,kidnapping,and mass murder of innocents. God also wants us to seperate our veggies.
No. The point is that there's a difference between a monolithic entity and a fractured mass movement. It's like taking a portion of the American people and stretching the opinion of some of them to all of them, which is what you are doing with the Iraqi resistance. But that's OK, neither honesty nor logic were ever the strongpoints of the warmongers. Just expect me to call you out on it, though.
[dennis] "Besides, if they truly oppose eachother and simply ally to fight the US, that means we'd have had several more wars to look forward to if they'd won."
Don't be an idiot, Dennis. Iraqis that tolerated Al Qaeda made it clear that their tolerance extended only until the Americans were chased out of Iraq. As it turned out, not even that long. Are you making the argument that they should have allowed AQ to take over rather than fight them? That's moronic.
[bruno] "When your "alliance" broke down, it is the resistance groups themselves that chased Al Qaeda outta town. A large part of the Awakening is de facto resistance members."
[dennis] No, it was FORMER "resistance" groups that chased Al Qaeda outta town.
ROTFL! Dennis resorting to semantics in order not to admit he is wrong. Reminds me of the rapist and murderer Steven Green. Whenever his trial was referred to, loyal Amreeki reporters made sure that they referred to him as a 'former' US soldier in order to imply that American soldiers couldn't possibly gang rape and murder a little girl. Uh, right.
(See, Al Qaeda didn't strike the US on 911. See, the night before the hijackers went drinking and partying, and no devout Muslim would do that, and Al Qaeda uses only the most brainwashe fanatics and therefore they disqualified themselves from being Al Qaeda and uhh, see, so Al Qaeda didn't attack 'merka ... uuhh ... ANAND LOGIC.)
[bruno] "I've got no problem with the Sadrists when they work towards Iraqi freedom. The sectarian mess that they were involved in was deplorable, however, and served only to weaken the resistance."
[dennis] So? You still picked them over the US, despite the secratarian mess they were involved in.
HELLO! AMERICA kicked off the entire sectarian mess! AMERICA bankrolled and trained and armed the deathsquads! AMERICA was in this dirty sectarian war even deeper than the Sadrists, who in many cases were actively recruited by the Interior Ministry to join in on bashing the Sunni. Why the heck would one support the originators of this mess, especially when they are a foreign invader bent on controlling the country??? Sheesh.
[bruno] "On the other hand, when the American-trained deathsquads were out in force murdering Sunna by the thousand, we heard a big fat silence from concerned Merkins like you."
[dennis] And when Operation Cavalry Charge was underway to clear Basrah from terrorists (now Basrah's a much safer place), we heard OBJECTION from people like you."
Oh, OK, sorry, I henceforth support any and al
[bruno] "On the other hand, when the American-trained deathsquads were out in force murdering Sunna by the thousand, we heard a big fat silence from concerned Merkins like you."
[dennis] And when Operation Cavalry Charge was underway to clear Basrah from terrorists (now Basrah's a much safer place), we heard OBJECTION from people like you."
Oh, OK, sorry, I henceforth support any and all unnessecary razing of cities, massacres of citizens and general mayhem that America or its allies might decide to indulge in. Because, since its America doing it, it is right no matter how many people die. See?
[dennis] "you think insurgents = democracy? Show me proof that the majority of the insurgency was fighting pre-2005 because they opposed imperialist US-picked caucuses or whatever the hell you just said"
Iraqi patriots primarily oppose the occupation of their country by a foreign power. Democracy was a secondary and less important cause ... which was in fact supported by many big players in the Resistance including the Baath and Sadrists.
[dennis] "Bruno denied that he hated America. Evidently he's a lying sack of shit."
I hate American foreign policy. There's a difference.
Is Maury still here?
250 Iraqi's died for every US soldier that was killed Bruno. That's using the million dead Iraqi's figure you like to toss around. Whether or not there was a "good" insurgent among the vermin that slaughtered Iraqi's is beside the point. You cheered while a million Iraqi's were being slaughtered. You gloated every time US soldiers were attacked. Never once did you express sorrow for Iraqi civilians. At least not that I can recollect.
Wow, Bruno, now you're getting really desperate. You're not even denying most of what I said. You're lucky my clip-board isn't working otherwise it would be a lot easier to show people just how stupid you look right now.
Of course the Iraqis were only going to tolerate Al Qaeda until the US left, that's precisely what I argued. There would have been another war between the Iraqi people and Al Qaeda if that happened, and it would be a war Al Qaeda wouldn't necessarily lose in the Sunni areas. After all, the 1920s Revolutionary Brigade thought it needed the help of the Americans to deal with Al Qaeda: If the US was chased out, they wouldn't have that option. You think the sectarian Shi'ite and Sunni factions in the "resistance" would have stayed at peace with eachother once they no longer had a common enemy? What about the supposed democratic elements and non-democratic elements? You think they wouldn't have gone to war with each other? An insurgent victory would have either been followed by countless additional wars, or, less likely, the Sunni areas of Iraq looking like Baquba before Operation Arrowhead Ripper and the Shi'ite regions looking like Basra before Operation Cavalry charge.
So, Bruno, people working with the US still count as resistance? So apparently your definition of resistance doesn't include fighting the US, is that right? What's your definition of resistance, then?
Do you have any idea how many Iraqi lives were saved when most of them stopped listening to people like you? Have you noticed how much less terrorism there is in Iraq since Sadr laid down his arms while you were screaming "kill teh invader!!!!!11"?
And bullshit that the US started sectarianism in Iraq. Mojo's got posts that prove there was sectarianism long before the invasion.
Previously I said an insurgent victory would have resulted in countless additional wars or the Sunni Arab regions becoming like Baquba and Shi'ite regions becoming like Basra before the previously mentioned military operations. I forgot to mention a third possible outcome: additional wars AND Baquba/Basra style tyranny.
Ah, now my clipboard is working again. Good. I have a feeling Bruno's going to start googling soon.
I also think it's about time Bruno name exactly who he's refering to when he talks about "US-backed death squads". I'd like to see just how sane he is.
Dennis, Bruno regards MoI (Ministry of Interior) IP (Iraqi Police) as death squads.
I challenge kill ISF Bruno to prove that the INP (Iraqi National Police) is still sectarian or behave like death squads now. I mean in 2009, not before 2009, when there were problems.
[maury] You cheered while a million Iraqi's were being slaughtered."
Nonsense. I tried to expose the huge numbers of Iraqis dying as a result of the invasion. Numbers which warmongers like you try to deny and cover up.
[maury] You gloated every time US soldiers were attacked."
Would you like some fries with that char-broiled steak, sir? OK, OK, Maury. Next time some murderous army invades a little third world country, I'll join you in cheering them on. Feel better, now?
[maury] Never once did you express sorrow for Iraqi civilians.
Don't be ludicrous.
[maury] At least not that I can recollect.
They say that fresh fish helps with the memory functions of the brain. I wouldn't know, since I'm not in the habit of making unsubstantiated claims which are patently wrong.
[dennis] "Wow, Bruno, now you're getting really desperate. You're not even denying most of what I said."
Feel free to illuminate the "big points" that you think you are scoring.
[dennis] "Of course the Iraqis were only going to tolerate Al Qaeda until the US left, that's precisely what I argued. There would have been another war between the Iraqi people and Al Qaeda if that happened, and it would be a war Al Qaeda wouldn't necessarily lose in the Sunni areas."
1: Resistance people have said that they would probably have to fight Al Qaeda from the start. It's no secret. So what?
2: Your argument is crap, since the moment the Resistance folk began to flip on AL Qaeda it was finished. Your purported claims of "US support" being needed are laughable, since America wasn't able to get rid of AL Qaeda in five years of trying. The only real 'support' the US gave was the paying of money to resistance groups not to attack its soldiers.
[dennis] "You think the sectarian Shi'ite and Sunni factions in the "resistance" would have stayed at peace with eachother once they no longer had a common enemy?"
I don't know. What I DO know is that polled Iraqis think that reconciliation is more likely with the foreign forces gone.
[dennis] "What about the supposed democratic elements and non-democratic elements?"
All the major players in the resistance agreed that there should be a democratic basis for a new Iraq. They signed documents stating this fact.
[dennis] "So, Bruno, people working with the US still count as resistance?"
That's a good question. In Vietnam the Vietcong used to turn themselves over to the Americans, purporting to have repented and so forth. They got a bunch of R&R and then returned to the fight. I see nothing wrong with Iraqis taking American money for a temporary ceasefire. IMHO, however, they made a big mistake in supplying addresses and biometric data to the Amreeki, which is now in the hands of Maliki. On the other hand, the current "ISF" are riddled with patriots that also want the Americans out, and who also participate in attacks on American forces. The recent attack in Mosul is but one in a long series of such events. It's not surprising. The local levies have traditionally been the weak link in the plans of invaders.
The real question in my mind is whether Maliki can in fact force an American withdrawal. If he can then there is no need to return to fighting, is there? I have noticed, however, that the Americans need the occasional kick up the arse to keep moving. That may be necessary.
[dennis] "Do you have any idea how many Iraqi lives were saved when most of them stopped listening to people like you?"
You mean: when they DID start listening to people like me, and stopped fighting on the basis of sect? Your ideas are more than a little twisted, sonny.
[dennis] "And bullshit that the US started sectarianism in Iraq. Mojo's got posts that prove there was sectarianism
[anand] "I challenge kill ISF Bruno to prove that the INP (Iraqi National Police) is still sectarian or behave like death squads now."
I challenge Anand to prove that Nazi concentration camp commanders still behave like concentration camp commanders today. See? They've reformed!
"Nonsense. I tried to expose the huge numbers of Iraqis dying as a result of the invasion."
They died as a result of your hewoic "insurgency" Bruno. At a ratio of 250-1. Not because they got in the middle of firefights either. Innocent Iraqi's were kidnapped and murdered,or blown to bits while doing their shopping. Moqtada Al Sadr,whose murderous militia you've praised time and again(for their hewoic "resistance",of course),drilled holes in thousands of Sunni heads. YOU'RE the warmonger Bruno. You cheered on the maggots that killed a million Iraqi's.
bruno] "Nonsense. I tried to expose the huge numbers of Iraqis dying as a result of the invasion."
[maury] They died as a result of your hewoic "insurgency" Bruno.
No, the sectarian war, the US-supported death squads and the US itself was responsible for that.
[maury] "Moqtada Al Sadr,whose murderous militia you've praised time and again(for their hewoic "resistance",of course),drilled holes in thousands of Sunni heads."
No shit, sherlock. And that I've condemned from the start. Of course, while you cry your crocodile tears over all the dead Sunni, I know damn well that back at the ranch y'all throw a party every time resistance-minded Iraqis kill each other instead of American troops. I know damn well that ground-level US troops actively fanned sectarian conflict, be it murderers like Steven Green and Co or be it "psyops" teams roving around Fallujah telling Sunni there that Sadr was a bad guy and needed to be shut up.
The gall of hypocrites like you coming here and pretending American innocence is astounding!
"y'all throw a party every time resistance-minded Iraqis kill each other"
That one statement shows just how phucked in the head you are Bruno. You don't "resist the invader" by blowing up mosques and markets. There's nothing "resistance-minded" in drilling holes in civilian heads. The bottom of the barrel vermin you cheered on were resisting law and order,nothing else.
"And that I've condemned from the start"
Let me get this straight Bruno. You support the Sadrists,just not their numerous atrocities,right? But,when we support our soldiers.....while condemning the occasional atrocity....we're hypocrites?
"The gall of hypocrites like you coming here and pretending American innocence is astounding!"
You somehow manage to live with yourself Bruno. If my head was that phucked,I'd have put a bullet in it long ago.
"2: Your argument is crap, since the moment the Resistance folk began to flip on AL Qaeda it was finished. Your purported claims of "US support" being needed are laughable, since America wasn't able to get rid of AL Qaeda in five years of trying. The only real 'support' the US gave was the paying of money to resistance groups not to attack its soldiers. "
Because they had the advantage of intelligence gathered through five years of alliance with Al Qaeda and American brawn combined. The 1920s RB tried to take on Al Qaeda on its own before going to the Americans for help.
"I don't know. What I DO know is that polled Iraqis think that reconciliation is more likely with the foreign forces gone."
And I do know that sectarian violence decreased when Iraqis stopped listening to people like you.
"That's a good question. In Vietnam the Vietcong used to turn themselves over to the Americans, purporting to have repented and so forth. They got a bunch of R&R and then returned to the fight. I see nothing wrong with Iraqis taking American money for a temporary ceasefire. IMHO, however, they made a big mistake in supplying addresses and biometric data to the Amreeki, which is now in the hands of Maliki."
Now this is just laughable. You are, with no evidence whatsoever, claiming the insurgents are just on a vacation. Then why the hell would they supply adresses and biometric data to Maliki?
"On the other hand, the current "ISF" are riddled with patriots that also want the Americans out, and who also participate in attacks on American forces. The recent attack in Mosul is but one in a long series of such events. It's not surprising. The local levies have traditionally been the weak link in the plans of invaders."
Uh, yeah. The ISF used to be far more "riddled with patriots". You know, back when they commited the crimes that earned them the title of "US-backed death squads".
"I have noticed, however, that the Americans need the occasional kick up the arse to keep moving. That may be necessary."
No you haven't. That's just how you justify attacks which prove the insurgency was anti-American, not anti-occupation.
"You mean: when they DID start listening to people like me, and stopped fighting on the basis of sect? Your ideas are more than a little twisted, sonny."
Bullshit. We "warmongers" were calling for Iraqis to stop fighting on the basis of sect. We even took action to make it happen. You were cheering on sectarian militia.
"All the major players in the resistance agreed that there should be a democratic basis for a new Iraq. They signed documents stating this fact."
Oh man! I gotta see where you got this one!
The "resistance" said they wanted democracy as they attacked the Iraqi govt and Iraqis who called for democracy.
"All the major players in the resistance agreed that there should be a democratic basis for a new Iraq. They signed documents stating this fact."
Me thinks that Aflaq's nephew, Mutlaq and Bruno need to stop taking so much crack together.
My guess is Bruno is referring to something they signed when they agreed to work with coalition forces. You know, when they were lying about repenting and all that stuff.
Remember when the resistance and so many Arabs and jarab on Angry Arab were saying the elections in Iraq were illegitimate?
August 2005:
'BAGHDAD, Iraq — Masked gunmen seized three members of Iraq's largest Sunni Arab party and shot them to death in front of a mosque in northern Iraq, a day after gunmen elsewhere opened fire on Sunni leaders debating Iraq's constitutional process, injuring four people.
The violence came as followers of a radical Shiite cleric joined Sunni Arabs in protesting the inclusion of federalism in a new constitution, stepping up pressure on negotiators struggling to find a compromise just three days before a deadline to approve the charter.
With Sunni Arab negotiators still holding out against federalism and some other Shiite and Kurdish proposals, pressure of a different kind was mounting on Sunnis who support the constitutional process.
The masked gunmen seized the three Sunni Arab members of the Iraqi Islamic Party in Mosul while they were hanging posters urging people to register to vote in a planned Oct. 15 referendum on the constitution that is being drafted.
The attackers later blocked a major road in front of Dhi al-Nourein Mosque, then brought the three out of cars and forced them to stand against a wall before spraying them with gunfire. The gunmen fled and the bodies were left behind.'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
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Bruno, did you shit your pants when Sunni Arab clerics in Iraq started urging their followers to join the Iraqi Army and police?
April 2005: 'A group of Sunni Arab clerics, including some hard-line figures who fiercely oppose the American presence here, issued a statement on Friday urging their fellow Sunni Arabs to join the Iraqi Army and police.
The edict, signed by 64 imams and religious scholars, was a striking turnaround for the clerics, who have often lashed out in sermons at the fledgling army and police force and branded them collaborators.
Prominently missing from the signers was Harith al-Dari, the leader of the Association of Muslim Scholars and one of the most influential Sunni Arab clerics in Iraq, who is said to have close ties to the insurgency.
Still, the directive, which carried the signature of Ahmed Hassan al-Taha, an imam at an important Baghdad mosque who has been a strong critic of the occupation, seemed to represent a significant step.
Many if not most insurgent attacks in recent months have been aimed at the police and army, which are largely composed of Shiites. The cleric who announced the edict, Sheik Ahmed Abdul Ghafour al-Samarrai, said he hoped and believed that the new directive would undercut those attacks.
But Sheik Abdul Ghafour also made clear that the order was aimed at regaining some control over Iraq's new security forces, not saving Shiite lives. Sunni Arabs dominated the higher echelons of the military under Saddam Hussein, and many, enraged by the American decision to dissolve Mr. Hussein's army two years ago, joined the insurgency.'
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...&
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Since I happen to be passing through with a bit of time to spare:
"I know damn well that ground-level US troops actively fanned sectarian conflict, be it murderers like Steven Green and Co or be it "psyops" teams roving around Fallujah telling Sunni there that Sadr was a bad guy and needed to be shut up. "
Okay, Bruno, you really are a loon. No wonder most people don't even bother with you these days. I'm wondering if I should follow suite. You're telling me that Steven Green, who was probably a Christian, murdering and raping fueled sectarian violence between Shia and Sunna!? And you're telling that speaking ill of a sectarian militia fuels sectarian tensions!? Bruno, do you think Al Qaeda is a bad organization? Better not say yes, otherwise you'll be instilling religious bigotry towards Sunna in us.
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