These foreign terrorists couldn't do nearly the amount of damage they're doing if they weren't getting local support. Iraqis are also aiding and abetting ...
True!
The U.N. ? Weren't they responsible for protecting the good people of Srebrenica ?
You might better rely on sending black-op assassin teams up the rat lines to the rat nests in Syria, KSA,and maybe even Iran.
Maybe the UN can help Iraq by increasing Bagdad hotel occuppancy rates.
So 6 years later they start "investigating"?
Looking into Syrian and other backing for terrorist attacks in Iraq is legitimate and worthwhile, but the actual charge that started this, Baathist-Syrian involvement in the Aug. 09 bombings was made up by Maliki to defer a domestic security failure onto someone else.
'A 20-year-old woman from Iraq has died in an Arizona hospital, nearly two weeks after her father, police say, ran her over with a car because she had become "too Westernized."
Noor Faleh Almaleki died Monday of injuries suffered when she was run over October 20 in a parking lot in the Phoenix suburb of Peoria, Arizona, police there said. Authorities said they expect to change the aggravated assault charge against her father, Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 48, to more severe counts after meetings with prosecutors, Peoria police announced.
Peoria police said Faleh Hassan Almaleki believed his daughter had become "too Westernized" and had abandoned "traditional" Iraqi values. Peoria police spokesman Mike Tellef told CNN the family moved to the Phoenix area in the mid-1990s, and Almaleki was unhappy with his daughter's style of dress and her resistance to his rules.
After the incident, Almaleki's father drove to Mexico, abandoning his vehicle in Nogales, Peoria police said. He then made his way to Mexico City and boarded a plane to Britain, where authorities denied him entry into the country and put him on a plane back to the United States, police said.
A friend of the daughter, Amal Edan Khalaf, 43, also suffered serious injuries in the attack, police said. Almaleki faces a separate aggravated assault charge in connection with her injuries.
He is currently held in Phoenix, with bail has been set at $5 million, Tellef said.'
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11...zona.iraqi.dad/
Umm...Well, the Ba3thists and the Syrians are culpable in every AQ bombing in Iraq. The former Ba3thists are the ones organizing the suicide bombers. The suicide bomber couple at the Jordanian wedding were not AQ imports from Afghanistan. They were Iraqis and Ba3thists. Syria is to Iraq, what Afghanistan was to the US on Sept 12, 2001. So Maliki has a point. If a country as several 1000s of citizens determined to murder with sucide bombers and sticky bombs, then accusing the government (that is simultaneously attempting to establish liberal values) for "failing to provide security" is just wacked.
Mojo, why would a guy like that even take his family to a Western country? What did he expect?
He expected his daughter to retain his traditional Iraqi and Islamic values. He expected her to not have a boyfriend.
Many immigrants came to America and became disappointed when they saw their children become westernized, but to my knowledge none of them ran over their daughter with a car.
if they don't like the host country's culture they should go back to where they came from. Better yet, don't immigrate there to begin with.
I agree, Boojum. One would think they would do some research and make sure they really want to move to America before they make such a big decision, or they should move back if they really don't like it here. Apparently this Iraqi could not leave America without murdering his westernized 20 year old daughter. Now instead of living in a country that suits him, he will spend the rest of his life in an America jail.
"the Ba3thists and the Syrians are culpable in every AQ bombing in Iraq. The former Ba3thists are the ones organizing the suicide bombers."
I agree. The Baathists invited and sheltered the Zarqawi types from the beginning. In 2006 in Amriya, a Sunni part of Baghdad, a distant relative of mine was just waking up with his newlywed wife, a Sunni, when a group of armed men stormed into their home. After taking $20,000 from his father, they shot him in front of his wife and parents. His wife begged them not to kill him and told them that she is Sunni. They told her they should kill her too, for marrying a Shia, an "apostate". The non-Iraqi khawat el ga7ba who committed this crime could not have known where the Shia live in Baghdad if they had not been helped by Iraqis, by the Baathists who wanted to create chaos and fear.
This documentary and many recent examples have shown that Arab nationalists have been willing to ally themselves with the scum of the earth and murder and expel hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in order to defeat the "occupier" and gain power.
Boojum, then we can do our job by not dropping bombs on them so they can expect to stay alive in their country. As well as not supporting their dictators. This is not to defend the murderer, but to explain why people immigrate even when the culture might not suit them.
Mojo, why do Arabs get so outraged when Palestinians are killed but not Iraqis. Is a life worth more depending on by whom it is taken?
It's a good question, Anonymous. Arabs seem to be outraged only when Americans kill Iraqis, or when they abuse Iraqis at Abu Ghraib.
100 Iraqis can die in a bombing and you will not not hear one peep from Arabs but if 3 Palestinians get killed or Israelis go near Al Aqsa, they will be out in the street protesting and shouting.
Also: 600 Palestinian children can get killed by the jews, and Americans will find it entertaining.
Whereas 6 rafidite magians get killed in Iraq - many Americans are sincerely hurt.
What kind of evil mind can conceive an attack on an Iraqi puppet policeman? Unthinkable. This is not Pallywood, you know. Those rafidite magians have families
Anonymous jokes:
100 Iraqis can die in a bombing and you will not not hear one peep from Arabs
Hey maybe the bombers were looking for WMD.
Unfortunately the intelligence was wrong or they were moved to Syria
"we can do our job by not dropping bombs on them so they can expect to stay alive in their country." My issue with this line of reasoning is that it is used as an excuse to sit by and do nothing when 7 million people die in a Congo war, or 2 million people die in a Sudan war, or 2 million people die in an Iraq/Iran war.
I say this as someone who was opposed to the Iraq war in 2002/2003. However, the Iraqis were trying to free themselves from Saddam in a terrible civil war between 1979 and 2003. Perhaps 5 million Iraqis fled Saddam as refugees. By some estimates, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died of malnutrition, defective medical care and infected water during the last dozen years of Saddam's rein? What else could the Iraqi people do to free themselves?
I felt America owed Iraqis a blood debt for betraying them in 1991 and for horrible mistakes in 2003/2004 (which allowed many thousands of Takfiri foreigners to enter Iraq and mass murder Iraqis, as well as Ameica's failure to help the Iraqis round up the Baa3thist thugs in 2003.) America owed Iraq a serious effort to train, equip and fund the Iraqi Army.
I also think America owed the Iraqi Army close air support for a reasonable length of time, until the Iraqis could stand up their own air force. That window is now closing as the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police become more capable and no longer need Ameican help.
"As well as not supporting their dictators." Great point. Its a good question to ask Europeans, Canadians, Brazilians, Mexicans, Japanese, Americans, Indians, Chinese, South Koreans, Indonesians, Russians and all large important countries. All of us, the whole world, have been backing the scum of the earth, these dictators who kick the snot out of their own people. What is the best way to facilitate Arab people overthrowing their good for nothing dictators?
"This is not to defend the murderer, but to explain why people immigrate even when the culture might not suit them." No this doesn't make sense. There are many countries to move too. However in all countries and religions, killing a 20 year old daughter with a vehicle is immoral, ammoral and wrong. In all religions, at best the Father can remove all support for his daughter. He can do nothing else. Every person is free to choose their own path.
This act is illegal under Sharia law. The father would be severely punished in a traditional Sharia court for his misdeed.
Rafidite? Is that your anglicized word for the derogatory Arabic term for Shi'a? What an asshole you are.
Maliki's accusations were still bullshit over the Aug. 09 bombings.
First they blamed Baathists, came up with a taped confession of a guy who said that he made one of the truck bombs in Diyala. The guy said he was taking orders from two Baathists in Syria. The U.S. doesn't think this confession was credible. Then a few days later the Iraqi forces arrested an Al Qaeda cell in Baghdad, who they said were responsible for BOTH truck bombs, and who said nothing about connections to Syria or Baathists. The Baathists denied any responsibility for the Aug. 09 bombings, while Al Qaeda was the only one to do so. In fact, after the Oct. bombings, U.S. forces said they had a suspect for both that one and the August one, and they didn't mention anything about Baathists or Syria.
Look Baathists and Al Qaeda have worked together. They have found a sanctuary in Syria. But Nothing credible has been publicly presented that the Baathists specifically were behind or involved in the Aug. 09 bombings.
In fact, it was Maliki trying to save his ass by blaming Syria and the boogeyman of Baathists because he knew he was going to pay politically in an election year for such an attack.
He did something very similar in April 09 when there were a series of bombings in Baghdad and then he turned around and claimed to have arrested the emir of Al Qaeda in Iraq. The government played a taped confession of the man on TV, only to have Al Qaeda release tapes mocking the government for making this story up. Experts said the voice on the tapes was the same as previous tapes released by AQI.
Something bad happens with security, make up a story and defer blame.
True, motown67. Maliki's team has made themselves look foolish by broadcasting fake confessions of a fake al Baghdadi. They cannot deny the fact that while they have been in power, their security forces could not prevent thousands of bombings. How many have there been this year? Your last post is interesting, motown67, and it you mentioned there were 22 mass casualty bombings in October: http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...p-and-
down.html
So at this late stage of their administration, they could not prevent 22 bombings in a single month. That is terrible performance on the part of the Iraqi govt.
I should clarify that it was never determined who committed the crime I discussed above, so it's possible all of them were Iraqis.
'Despite major bombings that have rattled the nation, and fears of rising violence as American troops withdraw, Iraq’s security forces have been relying on a device to detect bombs and weapons that the United States military and technical experts say is useless.
The small hand-held wand, with a telescopic antenna on a swivel, is being used at hundreds of checkpoints in Iraq. But the device works “on the same principle as a Ouija board” — the power of suggestion — said a retired United States Air Force officer, Lt. Col. Hal Bidlack, who described the wand as nothing more than an explosives divining rod.
Still, the Iraqi government has purchased more than 1,500 of the devices, known as the ADE 651, at costs from $16,500 to $60,000 each. Nearly every police checkpoint, and many Iraqi military checkpoints, have one of the devices, which are now normally used in place of physical inspections of vehicles.
...The suicide bombers who managed to get two tons of explosives into downtown Baghdad on Oct. 25, killing 155 people and destroying three ministries, had to pass at least one checkpoint where the ADE 651 is typically deployed, judging from surveillance videos released by Baghdad’s provincial governor. The American military does not use the devices. “I don’t believe there’s a magic wand that can detect explosives,” said Maj. Gen. Richard J. Rowe Jr., who oversees Iraqi police training for the American military. “If there was, we would all be using it. I have no confidence that these work.”
The Iraqis, however, believe passionately in them. “Whether it’s magic or scientific, what I care about is it detects bombs,” said Maj. Gen. Jehad al-Jabiri, head of the Ministry of the Interior’s General Directorate for Combating Explosives.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/0.../
04sensors.html
Molly;
we can do our job by not dropping bombs on them so they can expect to stay alive in their country
Oh, is the US dropping bombs on Mexico?
There's 197 other countries in the world. That's plenty of cultures to choose from.
Anan;
All of us, the whole world, have been backing the scum of the earth, these dictators who kick the snot out of their own people.
The whole world, eh?
You should note that the vast majority of dictators lie, thieve, and murder their own way to the top without outside help. And most of them aren't being kept in power by foreign money or troops.
"You should note that the vast majority of dictators lie, thieve, and murder their own way to the top without outside help. And most of them aren't being kept in power by foreign money or troops." Please explain?
Many Arabs believe that the international community facilitates these dictators staying in power (not putting them in power) by treating them as legitimate rulers of their countries. If the international community failed to recognize these dictators as legitimate, and didn't trade and do business with them, it would be much easier for the people to free themselves. I have some qualms about this line of thinking which is widely held in the Arab world.
For example, didn't the world do this with Saddam Hussein between 1991-2003? Didn't the world impose sanctions on Saddam, take away much of his sovereignty, and thereby helped the Iraqi resistance fight him.
Yet the Arab world had mixed views on this policy since the international isolation of and sanctions on Iraq and Saddam caused great suffering for Iraqis.
Anan;
Refusing to recognize a dictator as legitimate has little effect on his people's ability to free themselves. Castro and that Dear Leader of N. Korea are still in power after all. You are correct - sanctions don't work and end up hurting the populace.
AFter what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think it's better to let people overthrow their own dictators. When you try to help, you just end up getting screwed.
Freeq, an economic bomb called Nafta. Immigration has increased significantly since then.
Mojo, thanks for linking to that incredible story in the NY Times about the phoney bomb detectors. It is outrageous that people would sell such bogus items when the consequences are so horrible. Here are two more stories on this with some additional information.
"British Company sells $60,000 dowsing rods to Iraq as 'Explosives Detectors'" at http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk...sives-
detectors and
"A charge not to be sniffed at" at
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009...o-be-sniffed-
at
I think NAFTA helped the Mexican economy. NAFTA, however, accelerated some changes within mexico. Many farms with higher costs of goods sold in specific commodities went out of business, forcing millions of peasants to the urban areas or abroad.
On the other hand, farmers in other commodities benefited, as did a lot of export centric Mexican businesses.
Molly, I think the affect you are talking about relates to the wide spread outsourcing of Mexican industry to China.
Mexico has a serious literacy/education challenge. This is one reason for the widespread outsourcing of Mexican industries and processes to China (and Vietnam, India, Eastern Europe etc.)
Anan;
Many Arabs believe that the international community facilitates these dictators staying in power
For the terrorist talent that exists in the middle-east - why isn't any of it used against those horrid dictatorships?
An excellent question, Boojum. One could say they have tried to attack apparatuses of those dictatorships, but it is clear they have tried much much harder to destroy democracy and normal life in the new Iraq than they've tried to destroy dictatorships in the middle east.
"For the terrorist talent that exists in the middle-east - why isn't any of it used against those horrid dictatorships?" Most of these terorist groups were started and supported by dictators, who used them as proxies against their enemies while retaining some plausible deniability. However, the dictators have recent lost control over these proxies, who are now attacking their creators.
The terrorists are now attacking the governments of Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, 6 Gulf States, Yemen and Pakistan. Naturally the Takfiri extremists have attacked Shiites and Iranians from the begining.
Most of these terorist groups were started and supported by dictators,
May I point out that there was plenty of celebration and glee in the middle-east when the towers fell. These were average people honking their horns and passing out candy.
Don't put all the blame on the dictators. For terrorism to flourish, it requires approval from the local population. Now the beast they cheered has turned on them, in a grisly twist of irony.
Iraqi Mojo said:
they have tried much much harder to destroy democracy and normal life in the new Iraq than they've tried to destroy dictatorships in the middle east.
Well Iraq is the most despicable regime in the entire region, and is most deserving of destruction.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img1.../8307/ 101zr.jpg
Freeq says:
May I point out that there was plenty of celebration and glee in the middle-east when the towers fell.
But you have to admit it's pretty funny when American morons jump 100 floors onto hard concrete.
Oh yeah,that was hilarious Dolly. I'm sure Allah is still rolling on the ground with laughter. But,if you really want to tickle his funny bone,you have to blow some innocent Muslim kids to smithereeens.
http://www.startribune.com/world...iD3aPc:_Yyc:
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"But you have to admit it's pretty funny when American morons jump 100 floors onto hard concrete." Did someone actually write this?
Wow. Dolly is a real hosebag.
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