I watched the whole thing, and really i don't know why sect is even a part of it. Iraqi soldiers caught an insurgent mortar team and smacked them around. There. That's it. This is hardly sectarian violence.
No, the iraqi soldiers shouldn't have done that; yes the US soldiers should have stopped it. I was most surprised that the US soldiers did the play-by-play with the BBC reporter in their vehicle. Could they really not have known the reporter wouldn't spin it thus?
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IA,
you know the brutality of the iraqi soldiers (aka militias)
Does drilling holes ring a bell?
Having said that, I am not claiming Sunni militias are any better.
is it fair that the mehdi militia can roam the streets with mortars, and this is acceptable to the iraqi army..BUT if sunnis are caught with mortars then its wrong?
What if the sunnis where using it for self defence against the crazy mehdi death squads????????
Enough horseshit IA, stop bending the truth
Condemn BOTH the innocent sunni bodies littering the streets and the shia innocents littering the streets as BRUTALITY.
Dont be a hypocrite
What is this bullshit u r writing mojo? U call yourself neutral or r u just jumping to conclusions?
U write: "This is interesting. Channel 4 News of the UK has obtained a video that shows Iraqi soldiers (no doubt Shia) beating three Sunni Arab men..."
No doubt shia !?!!! How could u know they r Shia? & who told u that the men in Black in the video r Sunni? FYI, till now no one in Iraq knows for sure what the identity of the insurgents r? Did u see any confessing on TV? Did the soldiers in he video say they r Shia?
U used the word 'probably'. This is YOUR opinion. So STICK TO IT & don't u ever try to manipulate the opinions with your CRAP! Understood?
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Lets get a little perspective here.
In Iraq, (and the whole Middle East) and other parts of this old world, people are killing each other by the thousands.
Then we see some people getting slapped around, beat up and humiliated, which they deserve because they have been firing weapons (which are very inaccurate) with the intent to kill.
The Americans are enjoying it because they have been in most cases carrying the majority of the fight against those that do this sort of thing, and they are really happy to see the Iraqi Army step up and get into the fight.
Plus, like in most militarys, the majority of the soldiers are not much more than older teens. Teens like violence and mayham, even if they are not in the military.
In the filming of this BBC propaganda clip, no animals or humans were killed, no sex was involved, no bribes were taken or offered, just some "poor kids" got a whipping that they deserved.
So get over it and concentrate on the real cause of most of this crap, which is stupid, centuries old hatred of each other because of religion.
How stupid is that?
Religion...got that...Religion. Muslims had better learn quickly that the rest of the world is not going to treat them kindly if they continue to try and live in the past and not join the rest of the world in the 21st. century.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
saad: "No doubt shia !?!!! How could u know they r Shia? & who told u that the men in Black in the video r Sunni?"
Saad, the BBC reporter says in the video that the soldiers are almost exclusively Shia, and those insurgents are Sunni. I agree that their sect is irrelevent, but it's the BBC guy who points it out.
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Shia caught with nothing have been slaughtered since 2003. I always have to remind people that the head drilling didn't start until 2005, two years after the mass murder of Iraqi Shia by the Sunni Arab insurgency.
I've never claimed to be neutral. All of you know that I am Shii, and by now you understand that I hate the Sunni Arab insurgency for what they have done to Iraq. What the Mehdi army has done in the last year cannot be justified, and I have never attempted to justify it. Read some previous posts and you will see that I am not a fan of Muqtada al Sadr. I am glad that US and Iraqi forces are going after the elements of the Shia militias that target innocent Sunna. But it is clear to me who started this bullshit, who continues to escalate it, and it is not the Shia.
If you are looking for complete neutrality, go to IraqSlogger.
[RhusLancia]"Saad, the BBC reporter says in the video that the soldiers are almost exclusively Shia, and those insurgents are Sunni."
& how did the BBC reporter 'know' the soldiers' religious affiliation? He read their minds? & the men in black who were they?
In the lack of grounded evidence i would call this an open attempt to fuel sectarian strife in Iraq.
Still, a reporter's word is not sacred, & this mojo of ours should know better than repeat such crap.
"I agree that their sect is irrelevent, but it's the BBC guy who points it out."
& who r u to decide what is relevent with Iraqis & what is not? I remember having collided with u in another thread about other things. So don't try to tempt your luck once again with me.
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Saad, you really should stop being so condescending. I'm sure you know that at least 75% of Iraqi Army soldiers are Shia.
[Iraqi American]"If you are looking for complete neutrality, go to IraqSlogger."
& i hate SECTARIAN jerks.
& HEY! Neutrality is NOT a luxury clothing that u decide on wearing or not. We r not in shop were u choose what u like or move. U r putting ideas on a public page. People of all sorts r going to see it. They will think it is THE truth & will thank u for it maybe (Not me of course). While what r u doing is LYING to them pretending that these r THE ideas running among iraqis or most of them while they r exactly THE CONTRARY. They r YOUR IDEAS. & u r playing with people's minds. What is your difference from psy ops teams then? Or Tarik Aziz or even Al-Sahhaf? & u criticise the sectarian militias? Or Barazan or Saddam or the 'Sunni' insurgency?
To criticise these u will have to show us u have a higher stance than them. Not compete with them on the same place by what? Criticising them?
Don't make me laugh. If this is what u think, then u don't know what is to be sectarian nor even what is blogging.
Is that what u want to become? A poor old guy???
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"Saad, you really should stop being so condescending. I'm sure you know that at least 75% of Iraqi Army soldiers are Shia."
75% of soldiers r shia, so what?
As for condescending, I'm sure that in the event u go back to Iraq (after all this will be over one day), u will not be able to set NOT EVEN one brick on another with such ideas in case u want to rebuild Iraq. U will miserably fail from day one!
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'While what r u doing is LYING to them pretending that these r THE ideas running among iraqis'
Saad, these are my thoughts, the thoughts of an Iraqi American. I do not pretend to represent the views of all Iraqis. You don't agree with me (have you ever?) and that's fine, but don't try to tell me how to think or act. This video is being circulated by idiots who are saying that this is evidence of Shia brutality against Sunna. I call bullshit. You disagree, and you have told us why in your usual condescending way. Thank you for your opinion, and you are correct in that we really don't know if those soldiers are Shia or not. However, like RhusLancia said, it was the BBC reporter who said that they are Shia soldiers. So don't condemn us for what BBC reporters say. Don't condemn me for responding to claims that this is Shia brutality against Sunna.
Saad, one of the steps Iraqis must take in rebuilding their country is finding these terrorists and arresting them. I'm glad they're finally doing it. I'm glad the US is helping.
75% of Iraqi soldiers are Shia and you say so what?? You are right Saad - there is a chance (a 25% chance at most) that a random Iraqi soldier is not Shia. You are right. Is that what you want to hear?
Shii, that a random Iraqi soldier is not Shii. I have to write a post about the singular (Shii or Shi'i) and the plural (Shi'a).
Saad, you are funny. Khosh itdhahik
Saad: "& who r u to decide what is relevent with Iraqis & what is not? I remember having collided with u in another thread about other things. So don't try to tempt your luck once again with me."
What exactly are we disagreeing about here? "In my opinion", the incident in the video isn't about sectarian anything. It's just soldiers whupping on an insurgent mortar team. The BBC reporter brings sect into it, and I think he was wrong to do that. Any colliding here between us is your doing.
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[IA]"Don't condemn me for responding to claims that this is Shia brutality against Sunna.
(...)I call bullshit"
HEY! Go look at my first post above & SEE what YOU have put between two brackets: "(no doubt shia)!" U say that this is the BBC talking? But u r doing EXACTLY like the BBC by quoting their brackets & words without showing any distances from them. In fact u r sticking yourself to their story. Oh & now u r condemning the BBC!?!??? U r putting a distance now btw u & them by calling these 'claims of the BBC'? U didn't put that distance when u stuck your comment in your blog? I thought u were independent with your opinions like u said in your second reply to me above. Funny how u inch gradually around the minute u r exposed to simple pressure....
U say u don't represent all iraqis. U mean u still think u represent a part of iraqis? Who please? To represent those u will have to find them. Where r they? Do u have a sample?
Say, why don't u stop playing around. U say u r Iraqi? U don't even read Arabic. U say u r American? I believe u. That is why i thank u for the rare solidarity u showed till now for the Iraqi people & ask u kindly to take the word 'Iraqi' off your nick & leave only 'American'. Bcs that is WHAT u r in the end of the day whether u likeit or not.
This is the only way u can put your ideas correctly & make your words acceptable: As an American. An Iraqi would not vote for any parties that hurt his country. An Iraqi never circulates rubbish against his own country.
Unfortunately for u mojo, u think u r Iraqi, but u r NOT. U r just a romantic American. Just like this other rhus-la something. Call this condescending or whatever. But I'm telling u the truth.
BTW, does this rhus.. read Arabic?
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No Saad, I am responding to claims that this is Shia brutality against innocent Sunna. This is what other people are saying. The title of the YouTube video is "Shia Iraqi soldier beat Sunnis as US trainers watch."
The BBC reporter says the soldiers are Shia, maybe because he asked them. The fact remains that the vast majority of Iraqi army soldiers are Shia. We cannot ignore this fact. Or maybe you can. I won't, no matter how hard you try to convince me I shouldn't. It wouldn't be a sectarian issue if other people didn't make it a sectarian issue. I am simply responding to people (probably Sunni Arabs) who say this is Shia brutality against Sunna.
Saad, I am Iraqi American. I have never tried to hide my Americanness. People have told me before that I should drop the 'Iraqi' in my name, but I was born in Iraq and I spent a total of 8 years there. I care a great deal about Iraq. Many of my relatives still live in Iraq. My parents still own a house in east Baghdad, near Sharre' Falastin. So that makes me an Iraqi American. If you are going to be one of those Iraqis who denies that I am Iraqi, that's your prerogative. I'm used to it - many Iraqis are used to being attacked by other Iraqis because they have different opinions. This is the *real* disease that must be overcome in Iraq and other Arab countries.
[IA]"I've never claimed to be neutral. All of you know that I am Shii, and by now you understand that I hate the Sunni Arab insurgency for what they have done to Iraq."
So i repeat to u again, again & A-G-A-I-N, u r not putting any distance btw YOU & sectarianism.
Oh u r a Shia! Weeell, congrats. Should we now consider this term before or after the word 'Iraqi'?
What a great title: the Sunni Arab insurgency! Sounds like a coming Hollywood feature! How did u know it is Sunni? Or Arab? There could also be kurds or Assyrians in it? So why wouldn't it be only an ordinary IRAQI insurgency (or just extra-ordinary, but never mind)? Oh how idiot of me: It didn't OCCUR to you. Right again? U were just following suite to CNN that u criticise, or FOX news!
Ok, i agree with u. There r idiots circulating this rubbish. & u what do u do? U just circulate it again again & again in your blog. Mabrook! U just gave them not only the legitimacy of existence but also a FORUM!
Now everybody will use the term bcs it came through some blog yahoos as a description of what is happening in Iraq. Right?
Funny u didn't see that coming, eh mojo? At the beginning u just thought like that: Hey Gosh! With a computer u can start writing without having to pass through the Wapo or the NYC. How great. Everybody will read it! Let's go!
Hey, having to write to reading masses is as reponsible as handling a shotgun. Did u ever think of this responsibility? Or u just thought about it the romantic American way?
But well, what the shit. U r popular now, aren't you? Admirers r filling your comment section. This is what counts. Right?
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[IA]"The BBC reporter says the soldiers are Shia, maybe because he asked them"
What? *maybe* !?!!! Just what r u playing at? R u taking the reporter's side now? U don't construct a liable info with "ifs" & "maybes" or "perhapses". Right? Or r u pulling my leg?
Yeah or 'MAYBE' u just don't know SHIT about writing or responsibility.
"The fact remains that the vast majority of Iraqi army soldiers are Shia. We cannot ignore this fact. Or maybe you can."
HAHAHA! Would u please remind me what were we diasgreeing about?
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You're the only admirer filling my comment section today Saad. Don't worry Saad. I'm not as popular as Al Jazeera, Mish Mish Jabouri, Angry Arab, or even Zeyad.
I've never seen you on Iraq the Model. What do you think of those guys?
Hey Saad, guess what! It turns out that most Iraqi Arabs are Shia! Did you know that?
Shlon ghebby tla'it inta!
Saad: "BTW, does this rhus.. read Arabic?"
No. And my lineage is "European American", born & raised in the US... in case there's any risk of thinking I'm anything but that.
IA can speak for himself, but as far as writing and responsiblity, I think it's good that he put the video out there for discussion. Like he says, it's making the rounds, and people may be buying what the reporter says about the sectarian nature of the video. Again, I think it's BS that the reporter chose to point that out. This event had nothing to do with sect!
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RhusLancia, I think I just figured out what your name means.
IA: "RhusLancia, I think I just figured out what your name means."
Something like this?
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I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ima...ge:
Rhulan01.jpg
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumac
'The hairy covering of the drupes is harvested and used as a spice (a deep red powder with a sour taste) in some Middle Eastern countries, particularly with rice.'
Iraqis call it summagh. I love that spice! I love it on kabab and fish.
Hey- that's cool! I didn't know it had any real uses!
Much less significance in why I chose it though. At one point on the way to my Bachelor's I had to memorize the scientific and common names of hundreds of plants, by sight. It was pointless, so I dutifully forgot most of them as soon as I earned a "C" in that class. One I remembered was the Rhus lancia (aka lancea) because my parents had a few at their house. And, in an effort to use something from that class, I picked that name as my nick!
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You call this brutality? I got worse beatings then this for mouthing off to Dad.
These guys were caught red handed with the goods. They should be counting their lucky stars that they live.
Anyhow maybe they won't do it again.
Saad, u r 2 stupid
[Iraqi American]"Hey Saad, guess what! It turns out that most Iraqi Arabs are Shia! Did you know that?
Shlon ghebby tla'it inta!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
PISSED OFF ALLREADY? Well i'm flattered. FYI, insults r the weapon of the WEAK. U can't beat me, so u just insult me. I hope that makes u feel better...Ha!
Go on like this on your way. Cover yourself with those 'Munafiqeen.' They will tell u exactly what u want to hear. Never the truth. In this way u will think u r ABSOLUTELY right & important.
Good luck with your new occupation.
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[Papertiger]"Anyhow maybe they won't do it again."
Man i hope u r just joking. These people r not doing this for fun. They r paid to do it. They can get all the beating of the world whenever they r sure to get the promised pay. That is why they will have to remain in their cages.
There were reports before that the American soldiers just 'extracted' criminals &/or terrorists caught red-handed by the IP or the IA from the police station where they where held & go 'release' them further away. The Iraqi Govts went to great lengths as to 'convince' MNF-I not to do that anymore.
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Willeck mutti, you are the one who introduced yourself to the thread by asking "What is this bullshit u r writing mojo?" Met gullee sha sawi beek? Man the Arabs sure know how to escalate things and then blame the other for escalating things! Saad complains about me insulting him after he insults me.
Shlon edeb sizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
"Shlon edeb sizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
by Iraqi American
Thanks for showing your true face! This must be the great education u got in America. Very civilised indeed! I just said 'bullshit' & u start calling me names! How polite! Again I'm extremely flattered.
Still i repeat, insults r the weapon of the WEAK.
Notice my clean mouth... of a genuine Iraqi. Not yours of a ... Never any of your above civilised words. Or maybe u think i'm born yesterday?
Thanks once again for proving me MORE THAN RIGHT! Ya abu 'Aqlein (two brains!)
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Tonight I will sleep in peace.
I wonder what your father will think of his son's education when he will see what u write???
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[IA]"Man the Arabs sure know how to escalate things..."
Aaaah Enfiiiin! So here u put a distance between YOU & the Arabs. Iraqis r mostly Arabs. So do u mean that u do not consider yourself to be Iraqi anymore? Say the truth & not turn around in circles.
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Leck the first thing your 'clean mouth' spouted on this thread was something about the 'bullshit' I write.
'Yeah or 'MAYBE' u just don't know SHIT about writing or responsibility.' -from the 'clean mouth'
[Iraqi American]"Leck the first thing your 'clean mouth' spouted on this thread was something about the 'bullshit' I write."
Leck yes & i still STICK to it even when u call me 'edeb sizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'
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[IA],"'Yeah or 'MAYBE' u just don't know SHIT about writing or responsibility.' -from the 'clean mouth'"
Nice education indeed!
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