Do you understand that Americans are anti-Palestinian, and pro-Zionist
Do you pretend to forget this, when you are cooperating with them in Iraq and securing the eastern border for the Zios.
In your video, some jewbrain yells at Al-Barghuthi from the audience. These are your buddies in Iraq. Ask that heckler about the Iraq war and he'll agree with your side.
I suppose we should bomb some Iraqi Shia to punish that heckler, like your fellow jarab would do.
Judging by the overall reaction of the audience, the American people seem to support the Palestinians in their quest for freedom and peace. But the wahhabi wackos want to blow up Iraqis because the heckler called Barghouti a liar and they want people to think all Americans are like that idiot heckler. These are the wahhabi and wahhabi-influenced jarab.
Some 3arab jarab (Dolly's friends) grew up a few miles from occupied Palestine and ended up mass murdering Iraqis: http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/se...rch?
q=salt+nasr
These are the wahhabi and wahhabi-influenced scum of earth, the cockroach slime of the planet (Dolly's buddies) who've murdered 20 times as many Iraqi Muslims as Americans.
"Do you understand that Americans are anti-Palestinian, and pro-Zionist"
Americans know who their friends are. When is the last time you saw Israeli's burning American flags on the street? Palestinians hate America. I've got a Palestinian friend who can go on all day about how evil Amreeka is. He's a laugh a minute. He's trying to get the rest of his family to Amreeka for some reason though.
Iraq may turn out to be as close an ally as Israel and Turkey. Or maybe not. It's up to them.
Maury, how pro American do you think Palestinians would become if America became pro Palestinian and supported them against Israelis?
Would the Palestinians flip on the dime?
"Would the Palestinians flip on the dime?"
Arabs will never like America Anand. Ever. No matter what we do. I don't blame them much. If Americans heard how evil Arabs were every time they went to church,we'd probably have a stick up our ass too.
I admire Jon Stewart for inviting Barghouti on his show. From my perspective, most Americans want freedom, justice, peace and prosperity for both Israelis and Palestinians.
Anan;
If Americans are unsympathetic to the Palestinians, it's for cultural reasons. The American temperament has no patience for people who do nothing to improve their situation, publically celebrate acts of terrorism, steal billions of donated aid dollars, attack the interests of those donor countries because of a Danish cartoon, destroy the greenhouses left for their economic benefit, turn their young into human bombs, break ceasefires ten minutes after signing, repeatedly elect corrupt and venal thugs to power, launch a rocket war from Gaza AFTER the Israelis removed their settlements , etc etc etc
The Israelis sure aren't saints, but that is why they are more attractive than people who repeatedly wallow in stagnation and self destructive behaviour.
Good interview Mojo. Dr. Barghouti seems to be on the right track too me.
...to me.
Unfortunately my PC has no sound, will have to listen to it this weekend at the Public Library. From the comments here it sounds like an interesting discussion.
OT, but related: "Religious settler comes to aid of gay Palestinian" at http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3796682,00.html
Hat tip to Brett at Harry's Place who discusses this case further at http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009...nds-of-
humanity
These are the most dangerous of them all.
Arabs will never like America Anand. Ever. No matter what we do. I don't blame them much. If Americans heard how evil Arabs were every time they went to church,we'd probably have a stick up our ass too.
Maury | 10.29.09 - 10:55 am | #
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Are you another expert on the Middle East Moron?
Boojum | 10.29.09 - 1:08 pm | #
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As for you Blowjob, not worth a response.
Did I hear "stealing Billions" Blowjob? Yes, that's 6 billion dollars a year for Israel! He he..
First a lesson in elementary logic for you Maury the moron:
There are millions of Arabs and reducing them to one opinion is like saying Americans do not read..I'm sure many do.
Second..Arabs are normal people part of the Homo Sapiens race and as such do not love to hate but like every other variety of the human group if they do hate it's for a REASON.
Finally, why don't you ask some Arabs why do they "hate America" if they do instead of watching and listening to Fox News? Why get something second hand or third hand when you can get from the source?
The Palestinians will love America when America stops financing and arming the the thugs that dispossessing, suffocating and slaughtering them.
The Palestinians will love America when Americans like you and Blowjob(tfouh on you both!) stop talking about them as if they were a subhuman species!
Sheesh!
I think it is more valuable to be respected than to be liked, and that it is more important to do what is right than be respected. I don't think Palestinians will "like us" if we support them; but we should support them nonetheless, because it is the right thing to do.
TGIA, i don't think Palestinians negative views of America will improve much if the US cuts off foreign aid to Israel, which I support. Am I wrong to think this?
"The American temperament has no patience for people who do nothing to improve their situation," Where is your evidence for this. Isn't Fayyad trying to develop Palestine economically? Unfortunately he has to fight Fatah, Hamas and other thugs to do it. It is Israeli eminent domain type mass confiscation of Palestinian private property for below market prices or for no price at all that is disrupting business development in Palestine.
"publically celebrate acts of terrorism," Where is your evidence that most Palestinians support terrorists?
"steal billions of donated aid dollars,"
It is the good for nothing Fatah and Hamas thugs that steal aid money, the Palestinian people. I would point out that Israel put Fatah and Hamas thugs in power, and bears some partial responsibility for what these thugs do.
"attack the interests of those donor countries because of a Danish cartoon," That was very embarrassing. Many Palestinians, I think, would quietly agree with you.
"destroy the greenhouses left for their economic benefit," TGIA, here Boojum has a point. No part of the world spews out such a high ratio of CO2/GDP. It is really bad, and is often mentioned by Chinese, Indians, American, Europeans and others.
"turn their young into human bombs," I think most Palestinian civilians oppose suicide bombers.
"break ceasefires ten minutes after signing," The horrible dictators who rule Hamas and Fatah did that, not Palestinians.
"repeatedly elect corrupt and venal thugs to power," You are on to something here.
"launch a rocket war from Gaza AFTER the Israelis removed their settlements" This was stupid. But it wasn't done by Palestinians. It was done by the good for nothing dictators of Hamas. {Not that the Fatah thugs are better.}
"First a lesson in elementary logic"
"There are millions of Arabs and reducing them to one opinion is like saying Americans do not read"
TGIA
"Arabs will never like America"
TGIA
LOL
"...but like every other variety of the human group if they do hate it's for a REASON." -thankgodimatheist
Anan;
Unfortunately he has to fight Fatah, Hamas and other thugs to do it. It is Israeli eminent domain type mass confiscation of Palestinian private property for below market prices or for no price at all that is disrupting business development in Palestine.
There is no excuse for what the Israelis are doing. But it is inaccurate to suggest that Palestinian violence fails to play a part. Before the intifada, Palestinians actually had the highest median income in the region (not counting Israelis themselves) because they participated in the only functioning economy, Israel. Funny how terrorism isn’t good when aimed at your employer.
Where is your evidence that most Palestinians support terrorists?
Arab university poll: 57% support 'armed operations' inside Israel
http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=32672
Palestinians openly celebrated 9-11, dancing in the streets. Most Palestinians were, at least, sympathetic to the act, as was a large percentage of the Arab world. What socially and politically immature societies fail to grok is that you must be very discriminating in what you approve of, because you’ll get more of it. That is borne out by the terrorist bombings and plots all over the middle east in recent years
It is the good for nothing Fatah and Hamas thugs that steal aid money, not the Palestinian people. I would point out that Israel put Fatah and Hamas thugs in power, and bears some partial responsibility for what these thugs do.
The Palestinian People created, supported, joined, and applauded Hamas, Fateh, Hezbollah, et al ,for years while they were attacking Israel. These groups are composed of Palestinian People and were elected by Palestinian People, not Brazilians or Israelis. What happened to the Palestinians is the same thing that happened to Dr Frankenstein. The monster they cheered got out of control. Second point - corruption is so rampant because too many people find it acceptable. Only a sea change in personal values will fix that.
Last point – Anan. Blaming the Israelis for Palestinian misbehaviour does not help the Palestinians. To the contrary. In the midst of injustice, you have choices. And you should be held accountable for those choices
Thankgodimanatheist;
The average American/Westerner sees the middle-east as a dysfunctional backwater full of horribly sectarian people. Arabs may hate the US but they don’t seem to have much love for each other either
"The average American/Westerner sees the middle-east as a dysfunctional backwater full of horribly sectarian people. Arabs may hate the US but they don’t seem to have much love for each other either" Why do you say "westerner." This perception is unfortunately widely held by nonarabs, including nonarab muslims such as Malaysian, Indonesians and Indian muslims. I think that this perception is unfair. But Arabs need to deal with it nonetheless.
"- corruption is so rampant because too many people find it acceptable. Only a sea change in personal values will fix that." Corruption is rampant in many countries that have succeeded economically, such as South Korea, China, and Taiwan. The Palestinians need to contain their corruption, not eliminate it, to become successful.
"These groups are composed of Palestinian People and were elected by Palestinian People, not Brazilians or Israelis." I don't think Palestinian elections are fully free and fair. Many Palestinians might be intimidated by Fatah and Hamas thugs. Tony from http://palestinianpundit.blogspot.com/ says as much.
I need to ask about your accusation that Palestinians support terrorist attacks against civilians at Palestinian Pundit and AngryArabscommentsection.blogspot.com.
"Before the intifada, Palestinians actually had the highest median income in the region (not counting Israelis themselves) because they participated in the only functioning economy" This is precisely why I think the Palestinians want to work hard to improve themselves and their country. Israeli policies have played a role in Palestinian economic challenges post 1987.
Why don't you comment at TGIA's two blogs (Palestinian Pundit and Angry Arab's comment section)? Many Palestinian experts are there. TGIA is a warm hearted, humorous, and artistic Lebanese Arab, who wants to help his Palestinian brothers.
TGIA has criticized the limitless bucket of filth Saddam Hussein, as well as the mistreatment of Palestinians by Arab countries outside of Palestine; and he freely admits that the cause closest to his heart is helping Palestinians.
You will find that there are many Palestinians like Mustafa Barghouti who are authentically on the side of both Palestinians and Israelis.
I linked to your comment on this post: http://angryarabscommentsection....er-
mustafa.html
Happy Halloween, Iraqis!
Coming soon!
A "Saddam Hussein" TV Channel!
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Let me put it another way Anand. Arabs will have friendly relations with America when the Quran allows freindly relations with infidels.
I live in an Arab neighborhood with many Arabs who don't "hate this country" and have many Arab friends (and it's pretty obvious that I'm not a Muslim) so stop with the bullshit.
"Arabs will never like America"
TGIA
LOL
Aton | 10.30.09 - 12:06 pm | #
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I don't think I wrote that..Actually I'm pretty sure..That was Maury the moron. Check it out. His name is under the quote which is separated by MY comment by a line.
"...but like every other variety of the human group if they do hate it's for a REASON." -thankgodimatheist
K | 10.30.09 - 12:43 pm | #
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Can we share the laugh KKK? Explain yourself please.. Why is it laughable to suggest that Arabs like any other people, if they hate it's for a reason?
Dear Americans who want to be "loved".
If you want the "Arab subspecies" (as your comments implicitly state) start by being simply lovable. Stop arming and financing the colonial thugs who took over 92% of the Palestinians' land and implementing a ruthless occupation on the rest. Who are building more settlements on stolen land as we speak...Stop blocking all efforts to bring the Israeli thugs to account on the international stage for its crimes against the Palestinian people who have done nothing to you but who have for the past 60 years or so at the receiving end of a ferocious, barabaric policy of ethnic cleansing and apartheid . The latest in this shameful strategy is the vote against the Goldstone report. Stop supporting occupation and apartheid..Stop wondering why people hate you when you're doing nothing but enforce the idea that you're as much an enemy as your friend the lawless state of Israel.
Really simple
Now I'm out of here my friends. I really wish I had more time for the racist (I know, I know you're not! HA!) illiterate, uneducated and self-absorbed wingnuts of the worst kind..
Goodbye
"Can we share the laugh KKK? Explain yourself please.. Why is it laughable to suggest that Arabs like any other people, if they hate it's for a reason?" -thankgodimatheist
Fuck you for calling me that. Do you really want me to explain why what I put in quotes was funny? I thought it would be obvious, but I will explain only if you refer to me as "K".
I don't believe all hate is for a reason. For instance, many people hate gays.
Sorry people but I owe you an apology..I had no intention whatsoever to come over here and disturb this nest of vipers, but anand insisted that I come here and respond to some blowjob..Not a bright idea if you ask me. I believe in free speech and you are entitled to your insular opinions. Who am I to want to correct any of your pathologically self-absorbed concerns about being, rightly or wrongly, loved or hated? Eat shit as you please but I have no intention to be a witness, thank you! and sorry for the inconvenience.
"I don't believe all hate is for a reason. For instance, many people hate gays." -Molly
Thank you Molly. You get me.
Jeez, thankgodimatheist, why all the drama?
TGIA is very idealistic and well intentioned. However, he is passionate and emotional about one issue far more than any other. The cause dearest to his heart, Palestine.
He feels that some of us are insulting the Palestinians. I shouldn't have asked him to comment on this thread. He isn't the argumentative type, more the poet romantic type, and this type of discussion isn't to his liking.
"Arabs are normal people part of the Homo Sapiens race"
Obviously...yet for some reason, some racist Arab nationalists try to separate themselves from the rest of humanity...how many times has AA come on here to talk about "The pounding heart of Arabism"? In the US, if a white man talks about the glory of white supremacy, he's rightfully labelled a racist. The racists in the Arab world deserve the same.
TGIA, if I were you, I would be more concerned about idiots like Arab Advocate and your regular blog commenters than anyone here. Anericans will naturally have trouble supporting you if your followers consist of the worst of their society and angry ethnic supremicists from the Arab World.
Iraqi Mojo deludes himself:
From my perspective, most Americans want freedom, justice, peace and prosperity for both Israelis and Palestinians.
Have you heard the term 'Palestinkians,' it was coined by Americans.
Have you paid attention to the reaction of the American street to the Gaza holocaust of 2009?
I'm not 'complaining' about it; merely stating the well-known fact that Americans love the Zio-nazis.
Maury blurs truth:
Arabs will never like America Anand. Ever. No matter what we do. If Americans heard how evil Arabs were every time they went to church...
You make it sound like the hatred is baseless, and that everything begins with those clerics.
But actually, the U.S. keeps meddling in the region, and that is the reason for much of the bad blood.
I'm going to cite the example of Pakistan because it's current, but it applies to the Arab world too:
The U.S. pays Napakistani government to kill its own people.
Iraqi Mojo launches into rafidhi hatred:
wahhabi and wahhabi-influenced scum of earth, the cockroach slime of the planet who've murdered 20 times as many Iraqi Muslims as Americans.
I'm not sure what your definition of Wahhabis is, since about zero people in the world refer to themselves as Wahhabis.
Btw, one ceases to be a muslim when one takes the "nasara auliyaa" in battle.
You would like to make this about civilians, but the fact is, you oppose the killing of armed-to-the-teeth combatants as well.
Perhaps if you were willing to say that slaughtering Iraqi police is legitimate, then I could say that "opposing the targeting of non-combatants" is a legitimate view to hold.
But as long as you believe that even the Crusaders are an illegitimate target, there is no point in going into further details.
Here is an example of opressed Islamic extreamists in America.
"News Photographer Assaulted Outside Michigan Mosque"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=c...=c02_1256831982
I was once speaking to an American Palestinian supporter and I asked her “How can you support people who danced in their streets after 911?” She replied that the Palestinians are like “caged animals, and they can’t help themselves.”
"Maury blurs truth:"
Maury isn't blurring a thing. If the Bible said to hate Arabs,how many Americans would want good relations with any Arab country Molly? Do you think 300 million Arabs stick their fingers in their ears when they visit the mosque on Fridays?
America is the "Great Satan". Infidels on steroids. Unless the Quran is revised or America becomes an Islamic Republic,we'll always be hated by Arabs. Period.
5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them.
Suppose that were a Bible verse that said not to take Arabs for friends. How friendly would Christian nations be towards Arabs Dolly? Be honest please.
wahhabi = salafi = fundamentalist = hypocrite cockroach scum of earth, kinda like Dolly
The salafi slime would kill 34 Iraqi children to kill one "crusader": http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/20...oken-
lives.html
And the 3arab jarab would blame America for the deaths of those children. Or they would simply ignore the crime, like they've ignored so many crimes of salafi and ba3thi 3arab jarab, the scourge of humanity.
Just like not all nominal Christians or Jews obey every word of the Bible, not all nominal Muslims obey every word of the Quran.
So all the Arabs that live in my neighborhood, go to local schools, patronize local businesses, have non-Muslim friends here all hate America? Whatever.
"not all nominal Muslims obey every word of the Quran."
If it were our religious duty to hate Muslims,that's pretty much what we'd do Molly. Not all of us. But certainly enough to stymie good relations. You can look for other reasons till the end of time if you like. But,that won't improve relations one iota.
"Painted donkeys stand in for zebras at Gaza Strip zoo"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/...eys-
zebras.html
Happy Halloween..
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Maury, some Muslims (like Dolly) would read that quote from the Qur'an and believe that Allah wants all Muslims to drop their Jewish and Christian friends, if they had any in the first place. Other Muslims would look at it differently: http://www.answering-christianit...tri/
friends.htm
The Saudis have obviously taken the former route, not even allowing Synagogues or Churches in the Kingdom of 3arab jarab. The Saudis befriend Christians only when they need the Christians to save their stupid asses from Saddam, and to help them figure out how to extract the oil from the land on which the Shia live and protect "their" oil from the "Fars" (Iran).
I like to quote the part of the Qur'an that instructs Muslims to respect Jews and Christians:
'The Quran insists strongly that “there shall be no coercion in matters of faith” and commands Muslims to respect the beliefs of Jews and Christians, whom the Quran calls ‘ahl al-kitab’, a phrase usually translated “People of the Book” but which is more accurately rendered “people of an earlier revelation:”
‘Do not argue with the followers of earlier revelation otherwise than in a most kindly manner – unless it be such of them as are bent on evil-doing – and say: “We believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, as well as that which has been bestowed upon you; for our God and your God is one and the same, and it is unto Him that we [all] surrender ourselves.”’
http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/20...t-jews-
and.html
Time for the wahhabi-influenced jarab (like Dolly) to blow up more Iraqis to protest this injustice:
'Amnesty International has accused Israel of denying Palestinians the right to access adequate water by maintaining total control over the shared water resources and pursuing discriminatory policies.
These unreasonably restrict the availability of water in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) and prevent the Palestinians developing an effective water infrastructure there.
“Israel allows the Palestinians access to only a fraction of the shared water resources, which lie mostly in the occupied West Bank, while the unlawful Israeli settlements there receive virtually unlimited supplies. In Gaza the Israeli blockade has made an already dire situation worse,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s researcher on Israel and the OPT.
In a new extensive report, Amnesty International revealed the extent to which Israel’s discriminatory water policies and practices are denying Palestinians their right to access to water.
Israel uses more than 80 per cent of the water from the Mountain Aquifer, the main source of underground water in Israel and the OPT, while restricting Palestinian access to a mere 20 per cent.'
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-a...-water-
20091027
If only more Muslims saw the Quran the way you do Mojo. It makes it difficult to be allies when the most influential man in Iraq won't meet with Americans....because they're infidels. True or not true?
Israel has always proclaimed their undying friendship for the United States. We've never felt anything but hostility from Arabs. Ever tried having a relationship with someone that hates you? Despite 9/11 and Saudi government literature calling for jihad against the filthy amreekans,we're still trying with Saudi Arabia....LOL.
Thanks for the clip on the Mountain Mountain Aquifer. Palestinians and Israelis should both pay the same price for water.
The Palestinian Authority should get a percentage of all the water revenue generated by the Mountain Aquifer.
It is big government anti free market socialist communism for the Palestinians to have to pay more for water than Israelis; or for the Israeli government to claim water royalties that should go to the Palestinians.
Those who believe in free markets and property rights need to stand by Palestine.
Sistani doesn't want to meet with American officials probably because he doesn't want to be portrayed as a puppet colluding with the occupation forces, not because Americans are "infidels". Many Arabs and Arab Americans already see him as a puppet, and his meeting with US officials would give them more ammo. Sistani has wisely chosen to be independent of the US, even though he may be thankful that the US overthrew the tyrant and helped install a semblance of a democracy.
Sistani has met with American muslims in recent years.
One of my favorite video interviews of Fouad Ajami is him describing a meeting with Sayyed Ali Al Sistani.
In any case, there is no need for Sistani to meet American government officials in person. Sistani meets the Iraqi Government officials and there is indirect communication with the US through the Iraqi government, and the Dawa party. {The US and Sistani communicated through Dawa in 2003.}
Maury, what ones religious duty is depends on ones church, or ones mosque, or ones synagogue. For instance, my neighborhood is an evangelical Christian (married to a Shia!) and she thinks it is her religious duty to not allow her kids to celebrate Halloween. Obviously, not all Christians have this belief. Get my point?
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