Mojo,

Left a comment for you on the Iraqi Children post.


And also on the Chronology post. Now, I'm out of time and have to go get lunch. I'm starving.


Gravatar Mojo, the attacks on Askariya are despicable. However, it's also interesting to note that on BOTH OCCASIONS the supposed "al qaedists" managed to blow up the shrine without so much as hurting a hair on the heads of the guards tasked with looking after the shrine. The force has been beefed up to 85 men - a not inconsiderable force - yet somehow *poof* they saw nothing, fought nobody and the so-called AQ members managed to get in and out in complete safety.

Is this not at the least a LITTLE suspicious?

From Iraqslogger:

"“Al Qaeda in Iraq has been widely blamed for the February 2006 attack, though no claim of credit has been made. After last year's bombing, the mosque was guarded by about 60 Federal Protection Service forces and 25 local Iraqi police who kept watch on the perimeter, according to Samarra city officials. Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said that after Wednesday's attack, the entire Iraqi security force responsible for guarding the mosque, the 3rd Battalion of the Salahaddin Province police, was being detained for investigation.”"


Gravatar Bruno, are you implying that the Iraqi govt is somehow involved in this? I wonder how much those guards are paid. I wonder how easy it would be to pay off a few of them. I wonder how good the security is. It doesn't make sense to me that the govt would actually *want* to aggravate the sectarian violence. If it makes sense to you, please explain what possible motive(s) they would have.


Gravatar Mojo, what I'm implying is that it may have been an inside job, and that the shit that happens in Iraq is not always as cut and dried as it seems on the surface. I'm keen to see what happens.

(And no, I doubt that Maliki or his henchmen were involved. Why would he draw attention to to possibility of a double game by detaining the forces responsible for securing the shrine, otherwise? But nothings impossible, I guess.)


Gravatar Bruno,

They've been talking an inside job since it happened. No surprise there. *shrug*


Gravatar Yeah, it could not have happened otherwise, duh . . . that doesn't mean it wasn't al-Qaeda.


Gravatar Bruno, the 5 Brits who were kidnapped in broad daylight at the Ministry of Finance was an inside job, too. Just about everything that happens in Iraq is an inside job. So what else is new? You act like you are unraveling mysteries, when all you actually do is state the obvious. On the rare occasions when you aren't telling baldfaced lies.


Gravatar By the way, Mojo... off topic, but if you continue to encourage this shithead Bruno to comment on your blog, I'm taking you off my bookmarks. And I doubt I'll be the only one. I've seen him ruin too many good blogs, and I don't see any point in hanging around and waiting for him to do it again. When Bruno appears, rational discussion disappears. And I for one have better things to do with my time than participate in hatefests.


Gravatar Craig, I often disagree with Bruno, but I think that his comments actually spark debate. Without people like Bruno, there would be no debate, donchya think? All people are free to comment here - even people like haidar, Ahmad, and Bruno. I don't think they 'ruin' the blog or suppress rational discussion. When something irrational or illogical is written, it is up to us to point out why it is illogical. We should confront people like that head on (because they exist, whether we like it or not) and not run away from them. At least Bruno doesn't insult people like An Italian does.


Gravatar Craig,

This is the only forum that bruno engages in reasonably rational discussion. I'd rather talk to him here than jump in the mindless shit-on-face-off over at Zeyad's. I'm employed.

Craig, why are you so scared of opinions, (Mojo's, bruno's)? Bruno does not encourage terrorists, because they don't read blogs, my guess is. His defense of terrorism, nationalism and moral relativism revels more holes in the fundamentalists' logic than we ever could. His hollow, monosourced propaganda speaks for itself. In fact, he argues against himself sometimes. I have seen much progress in him. As far as I concerned he already agrees with me on most things and doesn't realize it yet. Maybe he's even just a few months from being a card carrying neocon!


Gravatar Craig,

I understand your concern. If Bruno pulls Lee C. and Italiano over here, then we can pretty much kiss a reasoned debate goodbye. At the same time, Mojo is correct in implying that a little heat and fireworks can help engage everyone in debate. The problem is that sometimes those debates devolve into whether the Maronites are Catholics or not -- a debate that probably went on for a month!

I have made an argument for a sliver of light shining between Bruno and Italiano.

I also make a distinction between a flame-warrior and a troll. Bruno and Italiano are mostly flame-warriors while bARABie, for example, was a unregenerate TROLL.

The good news is that trolls often go POOOFFF! A troll's shelf-life is usually very short (and start to smell). Again, like bARABie.

All gone.

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Gravatar K,

Yes, I've been working Bruno over too. One morning he's going to become a real Americano and starting wearing Stars-n-Stripes boxer shorts.

Heh heh.

And yes, the funny part is that the revolution is already in progress in Bruno's subconscious while his fingers mindlessly type his anti-US foreign policy screeds.

And then one day ... WHAP!

Bruno will become a BORN-AGAIN AMERICAN!

God shed his life on THEE, Bruno!

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Gravatar Mojo,

Without people like Bruno, there would be no debate, donchya think?

No, I don't think that at all. You and I had a fairly hot debate about HA a few days ago. No Bruno there. I've never seen a decent discussion taking place, where Bruno was involved. Not once. I really do think he makes it his mission in life to destroy rationality.

At least Bruno doesn't insult people like An Italian does.

He's insulted me a number of times.


Gravatar K,

This is the only forum that bruno engages in reasonably rational discussion. I'd rather talk to him here than jump in the mindless shit-on-face-off over at Zeyad's. I'm employed.

I'd rather not talk to him, at all. He has nothing to say.

Craig, why are you so scared of opinions, (Mojo's, bruno's)?

I like Mojo. I don't know why you put him in the same category as Bruno?

As far as being "scared of" Bruno's opinions - Bruno doesn't have opinions. Bruno is a liar. What Bruno has to offer, is lies. Do you normally engage in discussions with people that you know to be dishonest? Because, ya know, I kinda don't. I don't want anything to do with pathological liars.

Bruno does not encourage terrorists, because they don't read blogs, my guess is. His defense of terrorism, nationalism and moral relativism revels more holes in the fundamentalists' logic than we ever could.

He encourages people who do support terrorism, though. And those people, do read blogs. Some of them, are even bloggers.

His hollow, monosourced propaganda speaks for itself. In fact, he argues against himself sometimes.

If you think you are going to change the mind of somebody like Bruno, you are mistaken. He's too far gone.


Gravatar I like Mojo. I don't know why you put him in the same category as Bruno?

Some of their opinions are in the same category w.r.t. you not always wanting to hear them. You claimed Mojo was in danger from the government for Article III treason for voicing his opinion. Not true. You just didn't want to hear that opinion. Don't be scared for Mojo or the bruno reading audience.

I could be wrong but I don't think bruno deliberately lies. I think he is confused by his anarcho-socialist mentors (Z-mag, Chomsky, etc.). I can relate. Maybe you can't. Most of bruno's conjectures are not even lies. They are non-statements. Unfalsefiable, void, irrelevant and tangent, but not lies.

If you think you are going to change the mind of somebody like Bruno, you are mistaken. He's too far gone

I really don't think so. I believe deep down inside there's a democratic advocate dying to free himself of his own self-loathing. Bruno suffers from democratic autophobia with complications from extreme moral relativism (A-ism = B-ism, USA = USSR, Nazis = Israel, etc.)

This is quite a common condition that I suffered from when I was younger. Many neocons did too. Its quite curable if well reasoned, good people are willing to put in the time and effort to help. That's exactly why democracy always wins out in the end. Because even the most hostile to the spread of democracy all eventually see trough the lies of freedom's enemies. But this only happens with a free and fully unhindered flow of ideas to prevent conspiracy thinking. A democracy without freedom of speech is not a true democracy.


Gravatar Lovely namesake I got myself here...


Gravatar At the risk of raising the ire of the regulars here, I'm with Bruno on this one. I suspect it was the work of Mookie. His little excursion to Iran cost him his base of support and now he stages a repeat of 2006 to get it back.




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