Are you saying the the people should only note what you claim about the candidates, or note what they perceive of the candidates plus what you have claimed, before they make their choice?
They will vote according to who they think can lead best, no matter what anyone claims happened more than 4 years ago.... is that such a bad thing all things said and done??
Vote for the best.
It has also been noted the SBYs father-in-law was involved in the PKI killings in central Java. Not that this directly implicates SBY but there is a possible conflict of interest here regarding all these Soehartoist connections.
The cover up of the killing of US citizens is, I think, a serious matter.
All in all the people will vote and it will work itself out. I am sure the coming election will be better than what the people of Iran got.
What's Mega's link with Suharto?
What a strange question, Anong.
I'm commenting on 'new' news which points out that there has been a "probable" cover up by SBY.
Although I do have an opinion, I don't have a vote. I doubt anything I post will have a bearing on his re-election, but this is a factor which can be (should be?) taken note of by electors.
Bang Del.
That's what I'm saying except I'd add four words .... of a not very good bunch.
Miko.
A few examples:
- All those govt. ministers she appointed.
- She fired SBY from her cabinet for his alleged disloyalty, which was largely interpreted as her pique at his not obliging her corrupt husband, Taufik Kiemas.
- Her choice of Prabowo.
Im tempted to say "may the best man win".
Actually, Im not sure it is right to taint the current crop with unproven (or even proven) evidence that might be related to their integrity to lead.
Since when has integrity been a factor among the political classes - in any country?
Besides, it's not as if I'm plucking information out of thin air. I'm merely circulating what is in the public domain, and in the case of SBY's "probable" cover up of the military's involvement in the Papua killings, my source is the US govt.
Doesn't everyone have a right to have that information?
Good point about freedom of information. But because it is unproven and/or unrelated to the candidates ability to lead the country, don'tyou think it may bias the judgment of voters?
I mean, do you stop going to your doctor because you learn he has marital problems??
I mean, it is Friday and we are only talking about an election. Its my assessment the voters are very apathetic at the moment - what's the cure for apathy??
Anong...
If it is part of the public record, then isn't it likely to "taint" perceptions anyway?
J...
I am all for the free flow of "this" information. It is freely available in most places and simple internet searches will reveal a whole lot more.
The Mega / Soeharto links go into economic ties as well. The Soekarno kids did very well of the SPBU allocations in Jakarta and its surrounds. Some have suggested that this was approved by Soeharto and was part of an agreement to appease / placate the kiddies to ensure that they stayed out of politics.
Mega did this for a very long time, stay out of politics that is, and in essence did not really go full throttle at what she considered her "birth right", leadership of a party dedicated to the little people and the presidency, until the writing was much more on the wall for Soeharto and his clan.
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She should have stayed out - she's an embarrassment. Her final words last night: I will keep struggling for the little people if I lose. Yeah right!
If all of this stuff that J is talking about is true or reading available as per RB, why is it not a part of public discourse?? Are we not democratic enough yet ?
"We" Anong ?
Are you one of the little people Megawati was talking about?
She should have stayed out of this one - she's become an embarrassment. Her final words last night: I will keep struggling ....for the little people if I lose. Yeah right!
If all of this stuff that J is talking about is true, or readily available as per RB, why is it not a part of public discourse?? Why is only J writing about it,now?
Because it's only become available this week.
Check some of my links Anong, and also do some googling. Or even try the Post from 5 years ago, such as this link.
Yes all your sources are good and well written. I was simply trying to ask why these issues are not more prominent in debates and the media leading up to this coming week. In the grand scale of things I wonder if the occurences of terrorism e.g. Bali bombings "distracted" people from this post-independence roguery?
Ah, I like the conspiracy theory in that last sentence, Anong.
This sentence from a link in my post gives it credence: Kopassus set up the Islamic organisation Komando Jihad that hijacked a Garuda aircraft to Bangkok airport in 1981and which has since emerged as Jemaah Islamiah.
And could the next sentence indicate the original source of Prabowo's wealth?
Then there are the Kopassus businesses, protection rackets and other criminal activities that provide most of its funds and help ensure it is not officially accountable.
As for why this information is under the radar here, it's obviously a matter of 'letting bygones be bygones', as most candidates are fond of saying.
That I'm posting is because of the release this week of documents requested under America's Freedom of Information Act. Not all were released and many have had parts blacked out, presumably to protect the USA.
Remember that Indonesia is/was an important ally in Bush's 'war against terror'.
As a side note, I see that Obama is committed to fighting the Taliban, an organisation armed and supported when they were fighting the Russians. No country has ever succeeded in waging a successful war in Afghanistan.
Odd comment line here. But (since you mention it) Obama fighting the Taliban I fear is great mistake. Afghanistan, someone once said, is a place where empires go to die.
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