Oh come off it J, two coordinated bombs at big western hotels (one of which was attacked by the Islamists already) and you're going for the Papua/Freeport angle?
I know not to take anything in Indonesia at its face value but I'll put a bet with you it's more likely to be Noordin M. Top's mates behind this.
You'll note that I've changed my tune somewhat.
So, yes, J.I. may well be the perpetrators, but I doubt that it's because they are disgruntled by the failure of the political parties allied to Muslim groups to capture many votes in this year's elections.
Do note that Kopassus were prime instigators of J.I.
I don't have the bandwidth today to check the links I gave here, but motivating disenfranchised, sexually frustrated and therefore deluded souls into seeking their ration of 70 virgins hasn't proven that difficult.
J wrote .........Do note that Kopassus were prime instigators of J.I,
I do note this but I claim ignorance of it. I do have the bandwidth.
I did find this .... from Damien Kingsbury, an Australian expert on the Indonesian military: "Kopassus has murdered and tortured political activists, trade
unionists and human rights workers. It has also trained, equipped and led
militias in East Timor, West Papua and Aceh, and Kopassus members trained
the notorious Laskar Jihad Islamic militia, .......
Sorry, Xna Kool.
Please don't be frivolous and only comment on the topic of my posts.
J
So, there you have a possible connection, Anong.
Of course, today's bombs could have been the actions of a bunch of Islamic nutters acting on their own who have no ulterior motive other than to prove something we already know - they're a bunch of Islamic nutters.
On the other hand ... do read Aangirfan's solid background analysis here.
I was watching something on the idiot box earlier today, CNN I think, and they had Kerry B. Collison on. He was saying something along the lines of this whole thing having the hallmarks of a military operation.
Nah, I am not sure that he was meaning that it was a military operation and conducted by the Indonesian military or to a point he has been making regularly over the years that the Indonesian military has been instrumental at various points in time in training individuals who later become terrorists.
Thanks for the aangirfan link. It should prove interesting reading for Anong 
Revenge for executed Bali bombers? same sort of bule targets, same kamikaze nutjob javanese islamist as duluh...
Ok. It was Suharto that did it. All joking aside, my wife, who is Indonesian, and who experienced some of the worst scenes of the Maluku war, when told of the bombings... her first thought was the Probowo did it out of revenge for the election results. No kidding. Back in the bad old days no one knew what, who, why was behind a lot of that violence. That the current bombing has the hallmark of a military operation does not surprise me. That the militias were trained by the Indonesian military is a fact.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
By the by the photo of SBY you posted has him looking rather pissed off. I think he will be taking names and kicking as very soon.
That the Islamist terror groups around the world were often once set up by their respective nations' intelligence organisations (eg Pakistan) is undeniable and is probably the case in Indonesia too. However the idea that they are still controlled by those intelligence organisations is false.
The Frankenstein's monsters are now almost certainly out on their own.
I wouldn't put it past certain disgruntled former generals (you know who we're talking about) to try and take the shine off SBY's victory but I think we can (for now) run with the assumption that it was JI or some offshoot behind this attack.
There is one telling detail about the bombing; they used low explosive 'black powder' bombs, you can see by the amount of smoke and the relatively little structural damage caused. Black powder bombs are to all intents and purposes giant firecrackers and are the hallmark of unsophisticated bomb makers with limited access to explosives.
If the military or elements of former military men were involved they would have access to much better quality high explosives, C4 or Semtex that sort of thing, and the death toll would have been much higher and the Ritz Carlton would be tumbled over Mega Kuningan this morning.
I agree with Miko's last post. C4 or Semtex or TNT would have brought the buildings into the street. I also agree "That the Islamist terror groups around the world were often once set up by their respective nations' intelligence organisations (eg Pakistan) is undeniable and is probably the case in Indonesia too. However the idea that they are still controlled by those intelligence organisations is false."
This narrows the possibilities. I get the feeling when the perpetrators will be caught they will appear once again as cowering-smiling youths. Of course this will not save them from the firing squad.
Just some gullible Indo hicks with too much time on their hands were brought under the sway of some charismatic fundie brain washer. That's the worrying part, it's not about some shadowy James Bond evil organisation in some secret volcano lair that can be crushed although you can speculate all you want. The enemy is an ideology that can be continually indoctrinated into impressionable unemployed uneducated types and which can only be properly eradicated through education.
Well the pity seems to be that they didnt interrogate well or quickly enough the guys they caught last week...
Shoulda water boarded them ay? Although I believe that kind of thing is standard operating procedure down at Polda.
THE BELIEVE OF INDONESIA
Indonesia-Human-Bomb is described as martyrdom in Islam.
Indonesia-Islam is return back to the primitive time before the Great Prophet Mohammad. When in Barbaria human sacrifices offered to the pagan Goddess Tanit in Tofit where practiced.
Indonesia Jihad is a prefabricated war against humanity. Organized behind the holy walls of Rahima where no law is possible to reach.
Poverty and ignorance push these innocent Indonesians to join the Islam-Terror-Network. Poor people easy to manipulate and used as Jihadi
The man seen on video-tape pulling a wheeled-luggage.Caught on CCTV camera was actually promised a paid holiday in Marriott's. He was not aware that his luggage was changed into another one full of explosives and bolts. As soon as he arrived in check-point-charlie,the driver who drove this victim to Marriott's detonated the device via cellphone.
According to Imam and Hendra in Rahima.There are 72 more human-bombs to follow. Each bomb carries a message:
INDONESIA HATES AMERICA
AMERICANS GO HOME
SOONER THE BETTER
OTHERWISE WE STRIKE
Keep thinking anything is possible.
Indonesian is a sick nation.
230 million people in Indonesia sit on the most active seismic-zone called
the Pacific-Ring of Fire, the most sensitive point where two giant continental-plates meet.
No person in Indonesia is ready to die for Islam. If not Islam part of
Indonesia Constitution the next God to Indonesia is Rupiah. In the name of Rupiah Indonesians sell Allah.
For just a Dollar Indonesia kill a tourist in a bar or cafe with added chemical called Bali Cocktail.
Islam in Indonesia is much powerful than any Governmental Institution. Let's forget the Drama while time heals.
Thanks for dropping by, Johanni.
I think most of my readers will agree that it is poverty, plus the state of education, which drives folk into despair and thus into the arms of extremists who have their own agenda.
This agenda does not offer hope to the vast majority of Indonesians who, 'faults' and all - like the rest of humanity (including Americans) wish to have fulfilling lives in harmony with each other.
(Folk who want to delve deeper into Islam would do well to check out Johanni's site.)
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