You know what is so amazing about all this? You guys are incredibly hypocritical. What happened to your free speech, eh? You can make Midnight Express and talk about it for 35 years, but when someone else shoots a film about the US, you have no tolerance to take the criticism. Don’t say there is a freedom of speech in the US then. You should say there is a freedom of speech as long as we like it! Last year, the West Wing had an episode of Turkish family who were going to kill their daughter, just because she wanted to divorce. The president of the US, save the young women’s life. Do you think this is really happening in Turkey? Well, I tell you, NO. Instead of swearing at you, we accepted the fact that some you guys are ignorant.
That is very obvious that you have no idea about Middle East and Mesopotamia. If you consider being useful by occupying other’s lands with no legitimate reason, well I am glad Turks are “useless”. Once again, if you read a little history, you would prefer Turks to be “useless”. You have no historical knowledge and idea about Turkey’s geopolitical position in between Middle East’s craziness and Europe’s endless games. Turkey has been an ally with the US for decades. Is that this difficult to accept that you screwed by arresting your own allies’ soldiers? Besides, this is just a movie which only inspired from a real life story. Oh, by the way, if you don’t hide your head like an ostrich, you would see that some corrupted soldiers did horrible things in Iraq. Just run a little search on Yahoo for pictures. Turks do not hate the US; they just don’t approve the Iraq War and GW Bush, like the rest of the world.
I love US, and I will continue to love it despite of people like you. I will have honesty to say when did wrong. For god’s sake man, just read a little!!!!
UH, okay.
I realize your probably never coming here again but, let me remind you my comment about Turkey being piss-ants specifically referred to "American bashing" films being the latest thing.
Do you really think we sit around and bash you guys? Are you also suggesting there are no honor killings in Muslim lands.
Perhaps you need to do a little reading my friend.
about the movie:
its comlpetely all about truth.it shows the american crime in our hoods.this is middle east man.get the hell out of here.this is our town
Well, I am LIBERAL and I'm a proud TURKISH-AMERICAN. I even speak Turkish. I grew up in a red state, so I know your politics all too well! And, the guy who responded to you is absolutely right. The Turkish people were very supportive of us after 9-11. It is only with the recent invasion of Iraq that the equivalent of our Chuck Norris movies (all of which you probably have on DVD) have started to surface. And, given the fact that militant Kurds have resurfaced and are committing terrorist attacks inside Turkey as a result of their new 'freedom,' one has to logically understand that our popularity in Turkey will not sustain itself. But, the Turks loved Clinton and his wife Hillary. I pray to God that she is our next president, if not for any other reason than to tick you off-LOL! But, seriously, you should not jump to any conclusions about Turkey. And, personally, I would have prefered that this film "Valley of the Wolves" had not been made myself, but it is hardly a reason to post a message filled with animosity towards the Turkish people.
As opposed to say..."America Bashing" being the new craze sweeping Turkey?
Goose meet Gander.
Tell you what Cihan, you go first!
all those posts show that valley of the wolves is doing a gread job. Americans are facing with their truth. Nice improvement guys.
"maybe you shoulda been wearing your uni's. eh?"
maybe you should have believed in those documents proving that they were Turkish soliders, eh?
dont forget that anti-American thoughts are the results of the actions of the US administration. you just have no idea of what is life like there.
unmitigated gall is divided into three parts: greed, stupidity and cruelty.
see: www.coolstretchofhighway.com
Ohh my dear friend Jake,
You're probably having a big steak and mashed potatoes with it while sitting and writing this stuff. You might even have a car, huh? What burns in the tank my buddy? It is not easy to have all of them together, my dear Jake. One has to stir the burning hell up once in a while and unfortunately it's us who put their heads on the machine guns. And our fate is to die in those lands as written in the Bible or the Koran. Some people are gonna come out and kick our ass and all we are gonna be doing is eating steak and burning more gas to move around our fat asses. Why don't you have a copy of this movie in your DVD collection. I will donate it to ya.
hey ım turkish..this film is just telling about truths..americans r killers !!get away from ıraq .stop this..if turks say something it ll happen soon..dont worry!!! IM PROUD OF MY NATIONALITY...GOD BLESS TURKS..
The difference is US soilders are not selling organs to rich people, while turks are committing the worst human rights violations, subject their women to vaginal exams, and the West Wing storyline is not far from the truth. Sorry. And when the US soilders do committ abuses they are punished for it unlike the Istanbul police where brutality is the norm. Why do you think they won't let turkey into the EU, while Greece and other nations with similar economies have already joined? As far as turkey's geopolitical position....turkey is just the Mexico of Europe.
BTW: $10 million??? America shits $10 million.
I only want to give an answer to the ones who had written here before me and hope my words will be useful for the ones who sees Turks as "useless" or what else...
first of all, I wonna say something about Turks and their traditions which is known completely wrong and being thought as "barbarous". that!s about "West Wing's" topic., in Turkey there is a concept of family which is vital for all the ones living at this grounds. for us, wifes are our everything, they are our honor, they are our complementary part. however, I know that there are no meanings of the words as "honor, courage" for you but believe us they are our reasons to exist and know that we can ready to destroy everything who wants to change this as we did in the past but don't see us as a killer because tis is our speciality and unless noone glances at our lands and degrades our people, no one can find someone else as hospitable and friend as we. We want peace not any more...
also, someone says we are occupying others' lands without any reason. Ok. yanki, now please give me just a one reason you also believe! for US attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq for thousands of deaths of innocents but please dont say me "because of El Kaide, democracy or biological weapons". you say us that we are useless but you dont know anyting about us, or have you ever heard Kurtulus War, the war that the Turks get their freedom back from you, the first war made and end with a victory against imperialism which also resulted in a rebellion boycotts and finally freedom in other eastern countries in which yours bloody hands were on. Also, The ottoman Empire expanded through three continentals in which in thier lands,the sun never disappeared, have commanded the world for years without any cruelty and pressure. Hahhh, that's our usefulnesses. now tell me who you are and why you are staying at mezopotamia and middle east, nobody wants you here just because of you are a liar, you said you figth for peace. Can you see any kinds of peace??? wait.. I say you that you can't see; you killed thosands of people with no reason and bring the armageddon here, you allied with the Israel, and made the Arabians, Kurds and Turks enemy to each other.
I think you also don't know the truths about your country . The Truth is this; you destroyed your twin towers by yourself and named it as terrorism then kept your huge ass over and dropped it Middle east ONLY for oil...
My last words are again to you. Don't watch anymore your fake heroes(Rocky, Rambo...)
watch "Wally of the Wolfs" and recognize with real heroes. I want end my word with a Turkish saying “ Allah cezanızı verecek”
Wow, I checked back here to see any responses to my post. Since it is a post with rational post and reason, of course, it was ignored. As someone who is half-Turkish and half-American, I both the militant anti-Turkish and the anti-American views here sickening. Over half of all Americans do not support the Bush administration, and close to that ratio do not support Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey. I think it is ridicilous to link the views of an entire nation with a govt in power, and it is even more stupid to link a silly military movie with the views of that country as well. The world is insane right now, and ultimately everyone is equally to blame for that.
turks always think they are conqueurors. Doing any congquering on the football field? Whats that you say? Huh...Not in the world cup...too bad..the US is.
Seriously, What about ataturk ..father of the turks...lets have a drink and talk about him.. i know he would ...like to have a drink that is.....
The US wouldn't have to be in the middle east if nations like turkey could take care of thier own problems, but they can't even handle the KLA...
How bout the US put a Wal Mart on ataturks grave...i'll try not to drop my bigmac wrappers on it.
@betti
You and people like you really degrade the image of USA in foreign countries. you really should read and study more. Did you knew that the youngest professor of the western civilization is a Turk called Oktay Sinanoglu who got his proffesion at Yale? There are thousands of Turkish students and professors who study at USA's most reputable colleges and universities. Who cares about the nasty football fields? You are just an ignorant racist whom USA needs to take care of.
hey betti,
how about dropping another bomp on your roof top, so that ignorant assholes like you could not waste any more space in this planet.You and the people like you are not even worthy of Ataturk's shit.
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.THIS IS OUR BACKYARD.SOONER OR LATER YOU'LL KNOW THIS.SO GET THE F*** OUT..
You american people have less IQ and education than our children.The only working part of you is your mouth, brain is out of order.You r living in an unrealistic world.Wake up and see the truth.In addition dont talk about Atatürk without having a brain.
You are supposing that Rambo or "0 IQ bush" are your magnificant heros..hah..And you also think that they are existing for peace..First read the Turkish History."PEACE IN THE COUNTRY, PEACE IN THE WORLD"
i am turkish and the film is very good
Hey Basarduran,
I think I can play this game too...
Q: How many Turks does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: I'll tell you when they get electricity!
oh betty betty betty!!you poor girl
oh just a minute;are you the member of the nation which has the children who even don't know the president of usa or the neigbourhoods of usa or knows the continent africa as a state of usa?? Don't judge betty people,of course she has a reason to tell these bullshits,the reason is that she is an american!!poor betty!!
and i have a goodness for you betty(that is your luck)!!i am gonna give you an unimportant(unimportant for us,not for you of course)information about ATATURK:he provided women the rigth that they could be chosen as a deputy in 1934!!!
can you imagine or remember the situation of the women in america in 1930's!!And of course that was valid for people whose colour of skin was not cared of anyone!!and when did you gave this rigth to all kinds of people???when did you start to sit together with a black in the buses???That is the shame which is never gonna be erased from your history.
you poor betty!!!there are lots of things you got to learn before talking about ataturk and the history of middle east!!
if you want,i can keep teaching you about history of world or history of Usa or history of europe or whatever you want!!
For ignoarnt americans only;
no need to write how right we are how wrong you are. one example settles all the discussion on who is more barbaric.
You dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Civilian cities in Japan to show your power.
135.000 in Hiroshima which was half of its pop back then and
64.000 people in nagazaki all civilian, women, children, babies in couple of seconds, not tanks, not soldiers.
I think even if everything you say was true about Turkey, we still couldnt catch up with you in hundred years. and please educate yourselfs cos your government censors everything and you are not even aware of it.
oh yeah and finally G.W Bush is a LUNATIC. He says god told him to what bring peace to mid-east. LOL man LOL best sitcom ever.
I think you should be wise not to use mammories for the special forces. If you can find it in your American Knowledge base to do a little research, the Special Forces were friends with the US units and were providing intelligence for the US troops. Their location was common logic. When the Turks saw the Americans, they thought they were coming for a cup of tea, like they had in the past so they let them in. The Americans numbered 400 and barged in and assaulted all the officers.
You speak of treason and are somewhat right of what they deserve. I'll tell you an incident faced in Korea where the Turkish troops were idolized by US troops. Turks known for their toughness and fearless skills were to be joined up with US forces to defend a critical hilltop. 1000 Turks were faced with 90,000 Chinese troops and the US backup did not come through and they plainly blew off the Turks to fight on their own. The TUrks held the position and faced 90% casualties. The Turkish officer in charge wanted to meet the US general in charge of the US forces that retreated their allies. He walked into his office and explained the 4,000 year military rules the Turks followed and had professed as their guide book when they joined the Korean War. A soldier that does not obey orders are shot on the spot. He took out his revolver and killed the US general. The US Army was furious and did not know what to do about the incident, so they wanted a military court to decide the crime committed, but the case was dismissed because Turkey had entered on its own military rules.
Bottom line, I think this is just a movie, but the response for the desecration of the Turkish military by the cowardice arrest of 11 Turkish officers will be remembered by all Turks and as the US is more bent on imperialistic ambitions and threats to Turkish sovereignty by demanding US bases or face Kurdish terrorism will end up in defeat for the US. Keep in mind the TUrks destroyed the Roman, Byzantine, Russian, Chinese, Persian empires and controlled the Middle East, Central/Eastern Europe, and North Africa only 70 years ago. And main reason for the discovery and pillaging of what was called the New World, but then named after a man that didn't even know was, is because the Europeans were too powerless to control the trade routes in Asia and Africa so they went elsewhere. That is why an Ottoman colony was never established in America. They had half the worlds territory, and to add the Americas would've weakened them.
my words are to you moron silly and other poor americans...
you can see the others' history of course silly if you had not had any kinds of heroes or historical victories. hahh that' is the difference between you and us...you are just the people who only think a comfort for thier big ass. however, we are the people who can destroy everyone or everything that even tries to talk badly about ATATURK, TURKISH FLAG and TURKISH PEOPLE, that's why you are looking for running away from Mezopotamia and we've been here for hundreds of years. and lastly if I were you I didn't still continue to talk about ATATÜRK because even in your web site, if you noticed, we are much more than you in number..."( even in yours...hah hah hah... lots of americans just equal to one Turk. It is shameful..poor yankies...don't challenge to us it ends with a frustration for you...)" and if you continue we'll start from your mothers...don't force us to do it. şerefsizler...
So much anger, chill out. I can see you out on the streets looking for a turk or arab to beat up, do it if its going to make you feel any better, then go home and wank(jerk) it off.Its only a film DUDE! and films are business. People make money from this business from people like you and me. Its controversial yes. If you disagree with this film debate it. Do some research, do some homework and then say something intelligent about it. Have you seen midnight express. Good film. Loved it. Alot of fascist patiots didn't, and this is what is happening with Valley of Wolves. Chill out. Its only a film. And may I say I love Gary Busey. We've missed him. Its good to see him back. Once again dude chill out.
Hey betti, you got big tits? I love big titties. Can I tit fuck you babe?
That message was for Jake (IBNE) Jacobsen.
OROSPU BETTI & OPOSPU COCUGU JAKE
ANANIZI SIKSIN TURK YARRAGI. AMCIK AGIZLARI....
TRANSLATED
O, SAY CAN YOU SEE BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGHT
WHAT SO PROULDLY WE HAIL'D AT THE.........
What a bunch of asshats. To act in a film that portrays your country in a bad light is one thing, but to act in a film that takes artistic license and chucks it out the window in favor of outright lies is another.
I seem to recall that the ottoman empire, (turks) were keeping slaves into the 20th century....it may be still going on for all I know....the once mighty turks are now a useless backwater that has become the back door for illegal muslim immigration into the EU, and their ever lessening role as a player on world events will only change when they become a full fledged shara controlled society and a blatent de facto enemy of freedom.
The turks, like most muslims in the world, buy into the "evil joooos" stories about recipes made from muslim children and a desired jewish state stretchng between the nile and euprates, and such simple mindedness and adherence to world wide conspiraacy theories boggles the mind.
Funny fact, there are over a billion muslims, but a fraction of that number in Jews, and yet, the jewish system has brought them to a place of great power, while muslims adherence to 8th century ideals has kept them in the stone age.....ya gotta wonder at the sanity of people that adhere to a system that has failed them for almost a millinia.
Kender; Do you wonna play tennis with my PENNIS???
sorry Americans,
you like to watch Midnight Express (which contains full of lie) and you dislike (hate) to watch Valley of Wolves? what a nonsence! don't be silly! have fair! you forget about freedom. and remember this is just a film! it doesnt represent the whole country people. for me; i hate Bush and who supports him and war! i wish you to meet with those kinds of films lot! and probably you will meet more. because there are many scenarios in your history for that kind of films! ( btw i dont do generalisation.)
u.s. and brits committed horrific acts of violence in Iraq to better serve to their zionist masters...
u.s. is the enemy of Allah and his messenger. Allah can never be defeated, but He will destroy the u.s.
This is the final verdict...
'O mighty u.s., you thought that you were strong, mighty and rich. You thought that you will never face fear, destruction and defeat...But all the things that you had fear of will strike you...You will suffer defeat, poverty, humiliation and finally destruction. It is because you over run the limits, spread injustice, filth and terror...'
u.s. is a terrorist state run by a cabal (illuminati) worshipping to baal (satan).
Any member of the u.s. who approves the u.s. presence in Iraq or Afghanistan is a terrorist as well.
First and foremost, for all you Americans that hate the Turks and have never been to Turkey or even met one for that matter, you make me sick. For all you Turks that have never met a real American or been to America and hate them anyway, you make me sick.
Secondly, every country has it's problems, the U.S. and Turkey are certianly no different. (the U.S. and "Iraq" and the Turks and the Kurds are a simple example.)
I won't pretend that there are some really bad apples in the U.S. military however, every country has them, even Turkey. What MAY have happened in Iraq is truely sickening, however, how many of you have actually had someone shooting at you on a daily basis? My guess is very few. How can you begin to understand the stress that those in the line of fire go through on a daily basis. I'm not saying their actions are right, but who knows what really happened besides those that were there.
Next, you say that the American goverenment/press filters things from the public. Well guess what, so does the Turkish press/government. I have seen it first hand, 9 times out of 10 you will never see anything pro American on the Turkish news. (I speak and read fluent Turkish, I know this is true) Even during the Pakistani relief operations, where America spent billions of dollars, you didn't see anything. The local Turkish news wanted footage of Turkish soldiers helping we took footage of Turkish and American helping, guess what... the American soldiers were removed from the footage. Only the Turkish soldiers were shown with a caption that read, "where are the Americans now". Tell me, how dies that work?
Finally, "Midnight Express". What a total piece of crap movie that was. I don't understand how a movie like that caused so much heartache. Let's be real the American was arrested for SMUGGLING!!!! He belonged in prison. Where is the issue?
For those of you closed minded enough to believe that everything in either of those movies was completely real you are nothing more than ignorant and you do no justice to your country by posting your ignorant comments for the world to read.
Good night and iyi akşamlar!
where are the indians inhabiting the land of americana..
even Adolf Hitler quotes Americans homicide on hapless indians to justify his actions against jews.
and after dropping 2 nukes on japanese civilians, chemical weapons on vietanamese farmers and massacring iraqis..here is another ignorant american commenting on a turkish movie..where is ur freedom of expression, Sir?
-an indian (a red one)
When did all the stupid, poor bastards of the third world like Turkey who havn't contributed jack shit to modern society become so arrogant? You all are worthless to the worlds. Erdogan isn't worth a squat of piss and neither or any of you.
Um, Red Indian?
I lived right next to the Navajo rez for a coupla months. Who was I seeing and working with every day? Ghosts?
Its not an issue of free speech. Make any film you want. But if you choose to talk shit, be prepared to back it up and the USA has a thousand nuclear missles and the greatest military force and an economy to back up what we say...the turks...not so good.
Third world countries can say whatever they want, its just smart to think about what you say before you say it.
The movie is about the facts. Why everybody is getting so upset?
America is evil. Bottomline. -Rus
"Allah can never be defeated, but He will destroy the u.s.
This is the final verdict"
Really? It is this exact belief that is going to be the cause of those that follow islam being vaporized in Iran and anywhere else they raise their extremist heads.
Bring on the religous wars, you little sheet heads. If you wish to die for the greater glory of your mysogynistic, pedophilic cult we will gladly oblige, asshat!!!
Semper Fi, Let Freedom Ring and give my regards to hitler and mo hanging with satan in the depths of islamic paradise.
go and read "an american in turkey" that is the best comment in all of this bullsh.t
ive been in america too and american people are generally very nice people.. but there r of course asshol.s in both turkey and america
i dont believe all the junk in the valley of the wolves is real, but noone can deny some of the scenes such as the american soldiers making fun with the naked prisoners..
nobody cant understand that this is just a counter attack for the american-made "midnight express" or other crap movies degrading turks and showing us as terrorists.. its just a counter attack and americans should tolerate this kinda action
one word is for american politics:
i dont blame them so much cuz they r the superpower of the world with their economy, military and working population. they r trying to control the world and benefit from the weaker countries sources like any other superpower would do. we were superpowers once as the ottoman empire and if we acted like a superpower and planned our politics wisely there even wouldnt be a usa today
sometimes american politics can be cruel but this is the rule of the world...
and we turks dont have a religious or social hate against jews
there r lots of jews here in turkey too and even i have lots of jewish friends. the reason of the disliking is the jews controlling all these american politics and imperialism. you americans should know that you r slaves of jews in your own country
thats why hitler murdered all of them in germany in the 2nd world war (ps:i never appreciate that ashame, but as a politic he wasnt wrong) so this is the same situation for america..
politics doesnt show how good or bad the entire nation is, and there can be assholes in every country. turks dont hate americans and americans dont hate turks too. but the turkish government may hate the us government if they keep on their politics which can sting turkish politics
(btw: whats this "turkey, the 3rd world country" crap!?!? we r not an america or england or france, but dont compare us with syria iraq afghanistan or nigeria!)
My primary beef isn't with Turkey. It's with asshole American actors working for a foreign power and taking foreign money during a time of war to produce anti-American propaganda.
I have no peculiar beef against Turkey other than America bashing being the latest thing, oh and the silly ass crap about jewish doctors.
Other than that we're all good
Most people across the globe will say:
Damn, the movie is bad, terribly one sided and probably full of lies. But if I can hurt the american feelings with that without hurting them physically then I will force myself to watch it all and all over again.
You see, its a kind of revenge for having had to watch your propaganda shit for several decades. This turkish movie isnt better (turks are even more nationalist and racist than americans are) but who cares, it just feels refreshing!
Jake Jacobsen. You are an ignorant piece of garbage. The type to commit heinous acts if you were in the military. You would probably shoot and kill ordinary citizens. Am I right Yosemite Sam? Schmuck.
Since when did Turks begin to care for the Iraqi people? For years, Turkey did nothing when Saddam was killing at will thousands of Kurds and Iraqis... they just sat on the sidelines and watched. Now, when America comes in and stops the ongoing genocide and experiences some problems while trying to do so, they sit back and wail about the 'poor Iraqi people'. I can swear to you that much more than they hate Americans [which most don't actually, but it is beginning to swing], Turks hate Arabs. And to see such a movie put 'love and mercy' into the hands of the Turkish solider for Iraqis, Kurds, and Arabs is pure lunacy!!! The Turkish soliders has been anything but merciful... just look at your history books... it's not in their training manuals, I can assure you, and I think that my Turkish friends will concur. After living in Turkey for over 5 years, I'm obviously hurt by the apparent 'glee' that has surrounded this movie here. They are giving tickets away to all government officials, namely police, at discount prices. Most of all, I fear for my family as young radicals grow up idolizing 'revenge against the imperialists' enshrined in Necati Sasmaz's acting. The world, in the midst of all the violence stemming from the 'Caricature of M.', should not forget that a Catholic Priest while praying in his church was murdered by a 16 year old just last week in northern Turkey ... the last words the priest heard were 'Allah Akbar!' -- the world should stand up and listen or it might the last words that they hear. Turkey is a dangerous caldron of great military pride and nationalism on one side and potential radical Islamic fundamentalism on the other -- mixing the two could be cataclysmic. The movie has the potential to excite certain elements of Turkish society that have no moral inhibitions. Watch out... Turkey's pride has been hurt, as has most of the Islamic world -- there will be repercussions. If you want to understand the Middle East,then, you must understand one word - Pride. We should be cautious when treading on theirs. This movie is only the beginning.
Wow devinson rogerio...I'm impressed by your superior knowledge. To think that you, who's "been" to America knows that we're "enslaved by Jews". What kind of conspiracy horseshit is that? Just becuase we don't slaughter them and hate them like most of the rest of the world it doesn't mean we're enslaved by them...it means we respect human life. I know that concept is alien to the middle east, so I don't expect you to understand.
So you agree with Hitler's politics but not his actions? Funny how he directly referred to the Turk's genocide of the Armenians when he was drawing his plans against the Jews. You must be reading one of the middle east's best selling books Mein Kempf. The more I hear people from your region of the world talk, the more I'm worried for the human race.
konusmayin lan. Boktan bir film icin amma olay yaptiniz he
cut this thing! you made it a big deal for a cheap movie!!!
Its "Mein Kampf"... if you quote a book with such a historical significance then quote it correctly, otherwise you make yourself look like an unsophsticated redneck backyard farmer!
But you are right on one thing. The turks are definetly no better. They definately have a big minority complex because the EU doesnt realy want them to join and because their empire several hunderd years ago doesnt impress anyone anymore. On the ohter hand they have shown their tremendous potential of brutality and their lack of respecting basic human rights during the conflict with the kurdish PKK. And due to this bad Curriculum Vitae they are not desired in the democratic club of the European Union.
So I dont want to insult all americans since it is defintely one of my favourite countries around. But it is funny to see that especially the Nationalists of both sides get into a conflict. And yes, you got dump people in the US. People that always shout being proud to be american but unfortunately america cant be proud of them!
funny:
Heh, I wasn't quoting the book I was referencing it...if you're going to call someone out on a single letter then do it correctly, otherwise it just makes you look like a hypocrite.
On the topic:
I think it goes with out saying that all countries have their hardcore nationalists...it's the ones that start saying that Hitler was politically in the right, and the U.S. is enslaved by the jews, and everything I see in the movies is true, that I actually begin to find it scary. Being that far removed from reality is not a good thing...and if it's an indication of how a growing majority of middle easterners feel, then we're on track for another world war. Apparently some of us haven't learned anything over the past 90 years, nor have they progressed their thinking.
i can understand that youre one of the americans who watch baseball all day with beers and donuts on his hands heralder. you dont use your brain for 5 minutes in a day but u love to talk about deep discussions like you have something to say.
1- dont tell me about the armenian genocide or i will have to change my language. armenian f.ckers killed and raped thousands of innocent turks in the early 1900s. as the ottoman empire was about to collapse, dealing with occupants all around the country (greece, england, france..)the armenians in the east started to become a threat, and the turkish government emigrated them out of the country to the place they live now. there are dozens of records that they were not outnumbered and hurt. but the armenian miniority (like the jews in usa) is influencing france to declare a "genocide" bullshit and all the world is believing this shit.
2-as saying that you became slaves of jews i didnt say that the jews put collars around your necks and trade you for gold. you are being administered by jews weather u except it or not
3- i noted that i didnt back up hitlers genocide of jews and i never can back up any kind of action. i only said that he could have done the right thing for his country..
4-f.ck hitler
5-before making fun of other peoples "superior" knowledge please try to understand what you read buddy
What America thinks of itself and what others see it as have never been this much apart, thanks to the pre-emptive destruction policy of the fundamentalist-jewish coalition at the White house.
This wouldn't be so bad if America's good image wasn't being destroyed in the name of never ending arrogance of its superpower complex.
The USA's spending on military is so much it is spinning itself to powerty, destroying the environment, and missing the window of opportunity to free humanity from fossil fuel dependency to prevent global warming. What is needed is a movie about that.
If only 10% of what is being spent on the military and spying were to be spent on developing clean energy, the World would be more at peace and the envorinment would be saved. But, stupidity and irrisponsibility rules.
Forget about this mutual salvos of silly baravada. It helps nothing, but only uncovers ignorance. Tell America to be a more responsible super power. If not for the World, for its own sake.
I am afraid, if the United States keeps relying on its military to solve its economic problems, the World will relieve its frustration by doing much more self destructive things than watching and cheering movies like the Valley of the Wolves. We will, by then, all be not just arguing, but reaching at each others' throats, while looking for a drop of water to drink.
devison:
So now not only you try and judge the inner workings of another country, now you tell me who I am? I don't drink beer, eat donuts, I hate baseball, and my opinion and response had nothing that wouldn't be considered common knowledge. I could go the other way and spout off a bunch of stereotypes about who you may be, but I'm more mature than that.
1. Armenians killed and raped thousands of Turks? No records...only that they were a Christian minority and were in a pocket between where the already failing empire wanted to spread. So the Turk-Ottoman empire slaughtered somewhere over 2 million people, women and children among them. Emigrated out of the country alright. It was a mass exodus because of the systematic destruction of their people. It's quite well documented, deny it if you like...it doesn't change history. Turkish officials still deny it happened...but then you also deny the reason why your special forces soldiers were detained by our soldiers. Out of uniform, not in the war, heavily armed, and had a hit out on the Kurdish mayor. Oops, suddenly that episode comes into greater focus doesn't it?
2. I know what you meant by what you said about being slaves to the Jews...and it's still just a hairbrained conspiracy theory. I guess our devoutly Christain president is actually a Jew. riiiigghht. Let me guess, you heard this information from your state-controlled media?
3-4. I never said you agreed with his treatment of the Jews, I said you agreed with his politics, which were inherantly flawed from the start.
5. Just because the truth is contrary to your belief, doesn't mean I misunderstood what you said.
I am Turkish, and I would like to remind everyone on this forum that this is just a rambo film like thousand other american ones. I do regret to see both the Turkish and the Americans taken on a nationalistic ride, and it is just dangerous.
America is the superpower right now, and I think deserves a better government than the current one. Having so much power brings responsibility, and in Iraq, it failed.
American governments recent policies erodes pro-western Turks/muslims position as we have been preaching western values whereas America does not care to adhere to them itself i.e. rule of law (declaring an illegal war)
http://galeri.milliyet.com.tr/ta...0060215iskence/
I saw pictures of the prisoners with bags on their heads from the 173rd. It happened.
You know what is the scariest thing about Americans?
They know very little about ANYTHING outside the US, yet they believe they could use their "knowledge" while managing the things elsewhere in the world.
Didn't the U.S. pay to put propaganda in Iraqi papers. And, too, isn't this movie a private capitalist venture unsupported by the government of Turkey, just like the shitty anti-terrorist movies made in America all the time? Do you think Turkey has cornered the market on jingoistic garbage? Haven't you seen any recent Mel Gibson movies?
Do you think we're only unpopular in Turkey? You really are very insular, then, and you make all Americans look bad.
Oh, yeah, and your view of American history is faulty, too. If it ain't commies, it's terrorists, eh, pardner?!
Wow, I can't believe that someone attempted to call out Turkey for "sitting on the sidelines" while Saddam murdered his own people.
While the Turks were "sitting on
the sidelines" and while Saddam was committing the worst of his crimes, do you happen to know what then-US President Ronald
Reagan (beloved by the majority of US conservatives) was doing??? He CERTAINLY wasn't "sitting on the
sidelines". No sir, he was much more
involved. REALLY involved. So
much involved that he was
SUPPORTING SADDAM, selling him the weapons he used to gas his own people!
Of course, Fox "News" would never mention this fact about "St. Ronald" so it's not surprising that you wouldn't know this (or you choose to ignore it)...
""You know what is the scariest thing about Americans?
They know very little about ANYTHING outside the US, yet they believe they could use their "knowledge" while managing the things elsewhere in the world.""
You know what's scary about people like you? You make broad generalizations regarding a hundreds of millions of people....just like devison earlier tried to stereotype me instead of address my points.
Not living in a theocratic society affords Western countries to pursue education and knowledge freely. We can choose the source of our learning...it doesn't come from one place and it's not fed to us like many other countries.
I do not understand why it so insulted since. In the latter 20 years insulted, entwuerdigt, you terrorize all. You do not come clearly thereby as wave you see. Even your allied does not befriend the Europeans think in secretly so, only it dare publicly in addition are entitled. Understands one that it not the axe of the Christianity are and it makes with all protected. Separate all only use around American ones aim pursue whom it waert like it you really give "police of the world" and for real ideal like peace on wave would fight, who carries and protects I the American flag first that for the that to front.
Anonymous:
The U.S. has definitely made some errors in the past by supporting the wrong people for reasons they believed were right at that juncture in international affairs. Saddam was supported to help weaken Iran...not to kill his own people. The Taliban was supported to help push back the Soviets and halt the spread of communism throughout the region...not to become a psuedo-government and oppress the people.
That both examples turned into monsters after the fact is not necessarily the fault of the U.S.. Our funding wasn't what turned these people bad...they were bad to begin with, but unfortunately that wasn't realized (or admitted perhaps) until later. Both errors have been rectified (for the most part). Many blame the U.S. for creating these "monsters" that we later aimed to take out...but would you prefer that we left them for the rest of the world to take care of? I consider it taking a measure of responsibility.
heralder youre not in iraq to protect iraqis and other world countries from saddam and his terrorists. you care nothing about iraqis and the world
youre there for its petrol.
why is it this hard to accept
(btw if youre offended from my critcism of "not using brain, eating donuts..." earlier, it was a sudden burst for your "i appreciate your superior knowledge.." message. if there is a misunderstanding i apologise for those words)
devison:
I wasn't so much offended by your comment as I was exasperated. I think we both fell into the trap of insulting character instead of debating the issue. For that I apologize as well.
I don't believe we're in Iraq to protect the Iraqis either. We went to remove Saddam (for the right or wrong reasons) and now, it is our charge to protect the Iraqis. We essentially invaded their country, it would be wrong to not care for the people there, and counter productive to make an enemy of them. After we left another Saddam would rise to power and all the lives lost on both sides would be for nothing.
I can't see why Americans would not care for Iraqis. Do you think us to be such callous and uncaring people?
If our aim was for petrol...we could have achieved more profitable results through diplomacy...or scamming the U.N. Food for Oil program like a few other countries were doing.
It's so hard for me to accept the widely lauded point of view that we're there for oil because I truly believe we are not.
heralder,
i heard that there r oil reserves in iraq which r enough for the next 30 years of the petrol usage of the whole world. and i also heard that usa has lots of oil reserves in the rocky mountains region (correct me if im wrong) the other great oil reserve in the world is believed that, is in middle asia at the soils of khazakhstan and south russia.. as i lived in america and as im a son of a military turkish attache who has worked in washington for 3 years i know that your policy is to capture and use the middle eastern oil reserves first, then other ones out of your boundaries and always save yours.. so after a 30 years dont get surprised if america invades russia and khazakhstan for some other reason.im not a politician or an intellectual wise guy.. im an ordinary human being and its not hard to see these strategies of america. but as i said in my first message, im not an enemy of america (unless if america becomes the enemy of my own country) youre the superpower and its extremely natural for you to be in the stage so much.
devison:
The U.S. won't be reliant on oil in 30 years...by then we'll be largely using a renewable energy source.
There are reserves in Alaska...but I don't know about the Rocky mountains.
Going to war for oil simply isn't logical. It takes some astronomical figure like 1 billion a day to keep our troops operating. Getting a few cents off a barrel of crude for the next ten years might allow us to break even. That doesn't make any sense resource-wise.
If our aim was cheaper oil, more could have been accomplished by bribery...or better relations with the oil-bearing country.
i know that there are researches for new energy sources such as hydrogene, solar energy etc.. but the wide and efficient use of the source may take 30, 40,50,70,100,200.. years.. for this america wants to guarantee everything and wont want to throw dice. youre saying that america may have much more profit by using diplomacy for oil control rather than spending money for war gear and weapons- i cant believe that. if there is a oil reserve enough for the whole world for the next 30 years, spending money for weapons for some wars 1 or 2 times in 10 years cant be equivalent to, or more than it logically. but we have to take a look to a proffesional report to make the financial analysis. so what i mean is my logic says that america is doing this war primarily for petrol. and its not only my belief. the whole world is thinking like this.
there may be also other kind of political strategies under americas middle east strategy. like by arranging puppets at the middle east america may want to halt or control the improvement and developing of other potential superpowers in the future like russia, china ,india and even turkey.. (all of these countries have extremely rapid developing in there economies and important geopolitic locations..)
With a concentrated effort in manufacturing and devolpement, we could have a widely available alternate energy source in maybe 15 years. If we drilled our home reserves we'd likely have more than enough oil to last us half that, while common imports would easily cover the rest. I think hydrogen is a good candidate because of it's inertness and accessability.
As far a cost comparisons for war versus diplomacy, in this one case...we will be (and currently are)not making money, and we're getting less oil. But the "capturing" of oil wells would result in further wars, as the rest of the world stepped forward to protect thier assests and main exports (and rightfully so). We simply cannot fight protracted wars for the next 30 years and expect to make any profit...the numbers, quite simply, do not add up. That's completely beside the point that the American public wouldn't accept that, nor do I believe any government we have in that time would accept that for the sheer fact that it's not right.
The whole world thinking were in it for the oil, is not only a generalization, but an erroneous one.
As for the broader political strategy in the middle east...well, I'm afraid with this current administration it's quite limited. The existence of puppet governments can be argued, and I certainly wouldn't deny the U.S. affecting foreign governments opinions, and even at times thier makeup...but that falls under the category of diplomacy (barely in some cases). I can say with few exceptions that most countries would like a friendly head of state in power in countries that have an affect on thier own.
As for the reason, stifeling development to retain superiority? That works against us. What can an underdeveloped country produce in the world market as opposed to an industrious one?
Russia collapsed completely from the inside, not of our doing; China is a communist and oppressive regime that refuses freedoms to thier people, India is making progress, and is certainly not being adversley affected by us, Turkey seems much the same.
The fledgling powers that you mentioned are not being held back by the U.S., sometimes it's hard to look inward and realize that you cannot blame someone else for where you are. Being a superpower I see now equates to being the universal scapegoat.
I saw on the news in that in Pakistan, for instance, that American businesses and American flags were being burnt there in protest of the cartoon. America was one of the few countries that didn't publish it! Yet, still, somehow we take some measure of the blame.
As poorly as we're viewed, it'd be nice to see someone look at the positive *as well as* the negative aspects of our actions.
Comments from a European.
This movie clearly is anti-western and rascist about jews. It will raise anti-western toughts amung muslims and tention the sitiation between them. It will also turn muslims in Europe more and more against the Europeans.
And this country says its a NATO ally and wants to join EU? This will just make the Europeans more resistant to Turkey joining EU.
The movie is not based on any facts, apart from the Turkish soldiers that got arrested by mistake.
And for which Turkey got an apology.
The rest is all pure fiction. Even the official website of the movie says that only the capturing of soldiers was based on real facts and the rest is pure fiction.
So everybody who thinks US soldiers (or any other western soldiesr for that matter) would shoot at civilians needs a brain transplantation.
US troops very often operated together with Iraqi troops. Other NATO countries also have troops stationed in Iraq. Very often there are joint operations.
Of course civilians die, its a war. Rounds don't always land where you want them to go.
The fact that the badguys use civilian clothing, civilian vehicles and hides amung civilians doesn't help either.
The Iraqi government wants the US to stay there.
Iraqi troops also go on missions together with US troops. Wouldn't be happening if US troops would randomly shoot civies.
Also if you think objectivly, why couuld they?
There is no point in killing civilians, would just cause hatred towards you and make things worse.
If I read it correct the soldiers in the movie (who BTW don't look like US soldiers to me and the vehicles look nothing like Humvees) are rogue soldiers. So not operating under orders, they do things they are not supposed to do.
Still what am afraid of is that many people in the middle east are idiots and beleive everything they will see on TV and will think this is what ALL US soldiers do. Including this movie.
This will only encourage the rascism against westeners, in particular Jews and Americans.
This movie will encourage terrorists. I bet this will be Bin Ladens favorite movie.
Many muslims are rascist, when 1 American does something they blaim ALL Americans, when 1 Danish does something they blaim ALL Danish.
Its funny how muslims are so offended by cartoons of Muhammed (who raided caravans and stuff) think its OK to make a movie in which western soldiers are portaited as murderers. A cartoon is just a cartoon, making a movie about killing people in service of the military of another country is a diffirent thing. Its an open sign of hostility.
If this were true there would be dozens of footages of troops misbehaving. Sure there might be a few troops that just lose it (war is hell, some people just freak out) but they get court martialled if they do.
I always had Turkey in high regard, member of NATO, freindship with Israel, being the only muslim democracy and having speration of religion of state.
This movie however changes my
"The U.S. won't be reliant on oil in 30 years...by then we'll be largely using a renewable energy source."
suuuuuuureeeee. You are one of the countries with the LOWEST use of renewable resources right now and compared to most european countries you are technologically far behind. So how the hell do you want to become independant from oil in only 30 years? You are not even willing sign a stupid Kyoto Protocoll nor has your nation properly understood the greenhouse effect. You see the basis of switchin resources is to first decrease energy consumption. But unfortunately you produce 50% more than the european average. Why is that? well bad cars, bad insulated houses, and obsolete cooling and heating technologies. You are more than a decade behind us and you are not realy acceleration the process. I mean what is an american without his shitty SUV or his Oil gulping Corvette?
But of course a brainwashed republican soldiers beliefs everything the commander in chief tells him, right?
Marcel, (the european)
The reason for protesting against the cartoons is because in the Islam it is forbidden to illustrate religious figures.
The world has a lack of mutual respect. (For all religions!!)
Please you do what you need to do as a Christian/Jew. And respect my religion.
In turn I am respecting your religion.
Besides, I want to note that in the Islam, Killing people is NOT a good thing. Only Allah can take the life that HE has given.
Freedom of speech does not give the right to insult other groups(their religions).
A citizen of the Netherlands, Europe.
By the way, Europe doesn't support the actions of the USA either.
funny:
We have better technology and frankly more desire to develop and implement an alternate energy source. Ethanol is already in use. That's distilled from corn and clean burning...and we have plenty of corn.
Now I didn't say independant from oil, I said "not reliant". Meaning we would still be importing it and using it, but it wouldn't be a crutch and wouldn't be able to be used as a weapon by other countries against us.
As far as the non-technical general rantings of us not understanding the greenhouse effect, our personal energy usage, the state of our private homes, how stupid, and gluttonous we Americans are:
My ancenstors, in fact everyone's ancestors here, left Europe and other countries to come here for a good reason. I'm not going to spout off a bunch of useless opinions and vague "facts" about wherever your from. As long as you're "there" and not "here" America is better place.
Now, do you care to address anything else that was in my last post?
You're also a terrible guesser...I'm not republican and I didn't vote for Bush...either time. I also live in New York City and use public transportation every single day. But then, when you start running out of constructive rebuttals and make incorrect character judgments, it just makes you look like a fool who can't effectively agrue a point.
In how far is Ethanol (bio diesel as we call it) a competitive alternative for oil? You see the first approach to switch resources is to lower the current consumption (as I said). Ethanol as a subsitute product for the industry is great, but for other purposes you need to do more than just produce it. You see we started this approach a decade ago and it tool years to create the financial environment in which the corresponding suppliers can work profitable. You would need a network of gas-stations, you would need the car industry to follow with corresponding motors for their cars. And as it shows, this process already took more than a decade here and nothing happened. First of all because noone is realy sure what the best substitute for fuel might be (hydrogen, fuel cells, gas?)! And Ethanol currently does not seeem to win the race. I mean it is good you have a dream, but the way to get there is long.
My point is, to develop a product is easy, to create a competitive environment for it to flourish is hard. You need substitutes (big no no in the US), you need to cut down the power of the oil industry (guess where the current administration worked before) you need to establish the right infrastructure to cover the entire country(and the US is huge), you need to change the general perception towards energy consumption (SUVs, air conditioning.. insulation, driving etc). AND IN THE US, thats still a long way to go!
In my country we started of to first create a profitable environment for alternativ resources such as photovoltaik and wind-generators. Then our laws force us to properly insulate houses and pay by emission. Also, anyone who drives less, or with less consumption, or alternative fuel might be able to get around paying the high taxes. And with all this we are still more than 30 years away from becoming independant from Oil.
Maybe you are from New York, maybe you are not a republican, but it is still suprising you quote Bushs statement in such a uncritical way. The first thing one should do is to look for a benchmark. Sweden said they "plan" to do it untill the year 2020. But hey, they are years ahead of you, they are small, they have a culture of ecology and the government is wealthy and independant enough to force this process. You only got 10 more years and are already more than 10 years behind.
Excellent post funny, thank you.
Regarding ethanol:
Lowering consumption. Every car in America can run on a 10% ethanol/gasoline mixture at the moment, and FFV (Flexible Fuel Vehicles) can run on something called E85, which is an 85% ethanol mix. Ethanol is currently widely available here in the U.S., and is growing in both availability and use. Apparently as of 2004, a third of all fuel had an ethanol blend in it here.
As far as E85 and requisite vehicles are concerned, a surprising amount of major car makers produce these cars already.
It’s not like we’re going from petroleum to solar here, these two fuel types can be mixed to varying degrees. Staggering and phased introduction can be accomplished without an outright lowering of fuel consumption.
The reason ethanol is and will continue to be a competitor for oil is quite simply, the price. As tensions continue to increase in the largest oil bearing countries, prices will continue to fluctuate, and will continue to rise. If the oil companies have to pay more per barrel, the consumers have to pay more…and I think we can say, no matter where you are the consumers don’t want to pay more. If there’s another option, they’re going to go there.
30 years from now, it’s not too hard to see almost all of our vehicles running on E85. We made it to the moon in less than that. I think it’s a common misconception that we’re completely incompatible with a new renewable energy source but it’s not the case. All it takes is the will to change it, the technology and infrastructure is in place and growing.
The oil companies are less of a problem. Bush will not be in office for the next 30 years, so his influence on this situation is minimal. His comment about finding alternate energy sources was just him talking. I don’t think he’s going to take any real serious measures to back it up, but it did plant a seed.
We will still be using oil in 30 years, of that I’m sure…but if we use at the LEAST 60% less, that’s an enormous step. I think it’s perfectly doable…but maybe I’m just an optimist.
i am proud of our soldiers.
proud of our soldiers in WW II
proud of our soldiers in Korea
proud of our soldiers in Africa (ruanda)
proud of our soldiers in Serbia
proud of our soldiers in Golf War I by defending Kuwait!
but can i be proud of our soldiers now?
can i be proud of our soldiers killing CHILDREN?
can i be proud of our soldiers killing CIVILIANS?
can i be proud of our soldiers torturing SOLDIERS?
can i be proud of our soldiers dehuminizing ALLIES?
NO,NO!
this army does not REPRESENT the good old America! MY America.
how many Abu Ghraib prisons are still existing there?
how many Lynndie Englands, Charles Graners are still serving for our holy nation?
why are our old Allies, like germany, france and turkey, not welcomed anymore?
why do we call our friends "old europe"?
why don´t we care about our image in the world?
we expect RESPECT,but don´t they?
the turks always fight for US american in wars, like in Korea and Golf War I and in Serbia as well as in Afganistan!!
and we thank them for that by the so called "HOOD EVENT"?
Posted by nashville at February 21, 2006 12:48 PM
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/a...ves/
004126.html
I figure we'll all learn the whole truth about Iraq 50 years from now when noone here in the US gives a shit anymore, and the rest of the world has something else to bitch about.
Until then CNN will entertain us with its theories, and it's fancy graphics—heaven knows I might have missed the whole war coverage without the 5 minute musical intro, Al Jazeera will continue to broadcast it's message of peace—interrupted only briefly by the hourly beheadings, and finally hollywood and turkish entertainment television will continue to amase us with their oh-so-insightful movies—each american director swears its the truth, and even turkish parliament said it was so!
Last I checked there wasn't a government on this god-forsaken planet that didn't feed its people bullshit on a stick to further its cause and not a people under the sun that wouldn't bend their own mother over a stump to get ahead. Each with its own brand of violence, and each with it's own set of atrocities—past and present. I'm sure we've got more than a few wankers in here with enough free time on their hands to dig up enough dirt on both the US and Turkey to proove that noone can claim moral superiority, and yet not suprisingly they both do. Difference is, the ottoman empire was yesterday, and the US empire is today. Finally let me just say that anyone that thinks capitalism and islam are peaceful—they both so violently insist they are—is living in the realm of theory, not reality.
Oh and on a more personal note, lets stop kidding ourselves; I doubt the majority of turks and americans, all else considered, give a flying fuck about iraqis, jews or palestinians, as we so pationatelly claim to. I for one wouldn't give my soggy mid-day sandwhich-snack to feed either one of them and I believe I best represent what Turks and Americans have most in common,
human nature. Most of us are just too far removed and have our heads too far up our asses to give a shit.
To all:
Why are the US forces still in iraq? Havent they caught Saddam?
I think that every nation has to gain their freedom themselves ... So that they would really know the importance of freedom ... it does not matter if they gain their independence after a big civil war or a dictator regime ... If a nation is going to have freedom, they have to deserve it ... No other country or no one can bring freedom to a country by sending forces to that country ... Freedom is something very important but freedom can be brought by only that nations desire, fight and struggle ....
So I dont agree that US soldiers still stay in iraq ... It has been a long time that the US forces have been in iraq ... but we only read about suicide bombings etc in news ... Can anyone say that the US could bring freedom to iraq ??? Each day people die there ...
US soldiers die there too ...
Many Turkish truck drivers are killed there too just because they carry things for the use of US soldiers ... They kill turkish MUSLIM truck drivers just because they carry some goods and maybe food to the US forces ...
So who can say that iraqiis want the US soldiers there ???
Ask the mothers of those american soldiers there what they think about this war ... 18-20 year old american soldiers die in stupid suicide bombings ... They join the army maybe just because to make money to be able to go to a university but they die in the war of Bush ...
There is a big culture difference between western and eastern countires ...
I think that Americans should understand and see it that the arabic world dont like the US soldiers in thier own countries ... even if you tell them that you are there to help them be free ... Let them earn their own freedom by themselves, by their own struggle ...
Thats the only way for them to get their freedom ...
Think about how much money US had to spend in this war ??? Thats sad ... Better spend that money in cancer research or education or other good things ... They talk about global warming and to prevent it USA does not do anything ... It looks like that if things go on like this, our grandchildren wont have a world to live in
Turkey is a democracy and everyone can make a film on about everything. You can't tell people to make a movie just as you want.
I think you Americans are forgetting democracy, maybe this is because you became a nation of wars...
This is only a movie just for entertainment. Like in Rambo series in the 80s the hero is again with poor - innocent people and if you want to make this kind of film in today's world US is a good choice for the evil side to make a good box office...
Shortly, Americans can take this as a payback for "Midnight Express"...
Actually, yener, freedom of speech does give the right to insult other groups, including religion.
Hey Tolga here's a difference for your little pea brain to chew on...
Midnight express as I understand it was based on a true story.
Valley of the wolves takes one true incident with your soldiers and what comes out the other end of you twisted bastards minds?
Jews cutting people up and selling their organs? There's something wrong with you people!
Again, Midnight express, true story.
Valley of the wolves made up anti-American bullshit. I don't question your right to make this film (though I question if it falls under the sedition act for American actors to star in it) but I do question your sanity you sorry bastards!
And allow me to join with JustCurious here, Yener, I realize that you probably sit around all day with your thumb in your ass and smoking lots of weed, but are you a complete idiot? Of course freedom of speech allows you to offend religion you idjit! That's the whole point or didn't you get that memo, in fifth grade, Asshat!!
I will be dropping in and insulting at will, so please, all you Turkeys continue to amaze me with your general level of ignorance.
You know ally or not, if you act like dicks we are going to point it out. If your crying over a thirty year old movie I have two suggestions for ya.
1. Grow the F up!
2. Try harder at getting a life, it hasn't worked yet but you never know.
Have a nice day!
ı doooont like american gowermnt because americn gowrmnt very stupd and killr
To Jake Jacobsen ...
WHY COULD YOU NOT SAY A WORD ABOUT MY COMMENT?
DO YOU KNOW WHO NEED TO DO A LOT OF SWEARING LIKE YOU DO? POOR,HELPLESS, MISERABLE, IGNORANT AND GUILTY PEOPLE DO.
DID YA GIVE YOUR VOTE TO BUSH TOO? YOU BETTER BE HIS LAWYER ...
YOU KNOW WHAT ... YOUR SO PROUD OF YOURSELF STUPIDLY ... GO ON LIKE THIS ... ONE DAY ...
ZEYNEP
Okay Zeynep, here's your moment in the sun...
Why are the US forces still in iraq? Havent they caught Saddam?
Yes they have and now we are trying to help Iraq buid a democracy, something you asshats have proved unbelievably bad at doing.
I think that every nation has to gain their freedom themselves ... So that they would really know the importance of freedom ... it does not matter if they gain their independence after a big civil war or a dictator regime ... If a nation is going to have freedom, they have to deserve it ... No other country or no one can bring freedom to a country by sending forces to that country ... Freedom is something very important but freedom can be brought by only that nations desire, fight and struggle ....
Uh-huh, so we should just let the rest of the world fester, kind of like your brain? Nope, we'll try and maybe fail, but unlike you we at least try.
So I dont agree that US soldiers still stay in iraq ... It has been a long time that the US forces have been in iraq ... but we only read about suicide bombings etc in news ... Can anyone say that the US could bring freedom to iraq ??? Each day people die there ...
Always nice when cowards stop by the blog to visit. You only read about bombings because the major media outlets suck like a Hoover. Whereas I'm in daily contact with Milbloggers and they have a different story to tell. Schools being built, everyday Iraqi's thanking them and day to day life getting much better.
US soldiers die there too ...
Yes, brave men and women have sacrificed to make it a better place, being a coward you would never, ever understnd that.
Many Turkish truck drivers are killed there too just because they carry things for the use of US soldiers ... They kill turkish MUSLIM truck drivers just because they carry some goods and maybe food to the US forces ...
So? You work in a war zone you take your chances. Good lord your a wimp. Oh, and if you think it makes a lick of difference to your hero Osama Bin Asshat that your a Muslim, well, think again pretty boy. He'll kill you as quick as me. He's killed many, many more Muslims than anything else.
So who can say that iraqiis want the US soldiers there ???
They do!
Ask the mothers of those american soldiers there what they think about this war ... 18-20 year old american soldiers die in stupid suicide bombings ... They join the army maybe just because to make money to be able to go to a university but they die in the war of Bush ...
See, here's the problem in a nutshell debating with a ninny and a coward. No I won't ask their mothers. These brave men and women are adults and serve with honor and distinction by their own choice, unlike a momma's boy like yourself. It's only a piece of shit like yourself that would even think they only do it for money. That tells me a world more about you and what an unbelievable coward you are.
There is a big culture difference between western and eas
To Jake Jacobsen
First, I am not a boy ...
Second, I am Turkish but I dont believe in islam ...
Third ... I am not the lawyer of iraqiis but many people know whats really happening and why US soldiers are still in iraq ... The answer is very easy : OIL !!!
Fourth,I THINK THAT YOU ARE REAL A RUDE MAN... I sent here a few comments but I never insulted anyone or said bad words like you ...
To Jake Jacobsen:
hey Jake;
Let all of the pennises in the world enter your huge ass.
ben gaz maskesiyle çiçek koklamam, seyfo dayı
geldi bi tufan, gitti bi boran gövde üstünde baş, baş üstünde akıl bırakmadı, ezdi geçti
To Jakobsen F&^Cker...
Don't you have a sister to kill somewhere? Wouldn't want to keep you from your important business!
Oh, and if you swear at me in a language I don't speak all I hear is "La-La-La"
To Jake Jacobsen
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND UNBELİEVABLY IGNORANT AND RUDE AND YOU ARE LIVING IN A DREAMWORLD MADE OF THE LIES OF BUSH ...
PEOPLE LAUGH WITH THEIR ASSES TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOW GREATFUL YOU ARE TO GO AND HELP POOR IRAQIIS !!!
YOU ARE REAL SICKMINDED AND YOU LOVE TO TALK IN SLANG AND SO I AM WRITING THIS COMMENT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND ONLY THIS KIND OF BAD LANGUAGE ...
BRAVE AMERICAN SOLDIERS HUH ???? HOW MUCH MONEY DO THEY TAKE TO GO AND FIGHT IN IRAQ?
LOOK AT THE HISTORY ... ONLY 100 YEARS AGO, TURKS UNITED AND FOUGHT WITH ALL THE ENEMIES AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING MONEY FROM OUR HERO ATATURK ... SO DONT YOU DARE TO CALL TURKS COWARDS YOU IDIOT, FIRST GO AND READ SOME HISTORY ...
DO YOU KNOW WHY BUSH WANTS TO ATTACK MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES ? ITS FOR OIL AND SO YOUR BIG ASSES WOULD BE COMFORTABLE ... ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND OIL ...
AND TELL ME THE PERCENTAGE OF THE LATIN AND BLACK SOLDIERS İN US ARMY ? I AM SURE YOU WILL SAY THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION IN THE US TO THE BLACK PEOPLE ... REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS .... YOU ASSHOLE !!!!!
To All
You are all sickminded idiots ... stop this nonsense discussion here ... Be the love generation ... Peace in the country peace in the world !!!
I am Turkish and I want to ask:
Why do Turks get angry when the US army is in iraq? Are Turks the lawyers of arabs? Arabs deserves this ... Its the problem of arabs, not Turks ... Remember that we had to fight with those asshole arabs only 100 years ago, remember that they were on the side of english armies and fought with Turks only 100 years ago ...
Stop these "muslim brother" tales ... come to the real world ... Arabs dont like Turks !!! So why do you worry about the oil of arabs ??? Did arabs hire muslim Turks as lawyers ???
Arabs can never live in peace, they always fight, they deserve whats happening in their countries ... Most of the terrorists are from arabic countries ... We all know how bad those radical islamists can be ...
If there is a God, may god save us from radical islamist terrorists !!!
On this Zeynep we agree 100%!
America...love it or get the HELL out!!! The Valley of the Wolves is blatantly a contrived lie from HELL, egged on by the Bleeding Heart Liberal Communist Pinkos within the USA and out.
Americans need to get back to our grassroots...
America. America was someone’s Swan Song. America was someone’s Idea. America was someone’s Concept. America was someone’s Dream. America was someone’s Experiment. America has become my Swan Song, Dream, Belief and Way of Life. It did not come to me in a vision, though I am a visionary. It did not happen “once upon a time”. It grew on me through the years, living through the trials, troubles and tribulations of a Nation still learning…still growing and evolving.
My first five years on this earth, within the borders of continental America, was in the aftermath of the Korean Conflict. My most impressionable years were during the threats of nuclear annihilation from the USSR, et al, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the assassinations of President John F Kennedy and the Reformist Martin Luther King Junior…and the shameful actions and misdeeds of our elected officials during the Vietnam Police Action. My Young Adult years were rather troublesome to say the least through the various crises brought about by those that would do America harm via outside influences and those within our own borders…flower children come to mind here.
Now, most recently in our young history, we have the Middle East Extremists stirring troubles up and blaming others, mainly America, for their own inabilities and capabilities to ascertain their own directions and misguided assumptions…and to deal with them accordingly…like America has done and accomplished and is still learning and growing as experienced by her own mistakes.
America is the youngest country in our known world and is the most popular as well as the most hated country. Why is this? I have heard on various so-called news media outlets that there are those in the world that say, “Kill Americans!”
What is an American anyway? The following was written by an Australian Dentist: “An American is English, or French, or Italian, or German, or Spanish, or Polish, or Russian, or Greek. An American can also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Iraqi, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani, or Afghan. Also, an American can be Cherokee, Comanche, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or any other Native American Indian Tribe. An American is Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or Muslim or any number of the various religions of the world…”. Get the point? Americans are not even required to be a member of any religious entity at all.
America welcomes with open arms, sometimes to her detriment, “your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed.” Others hate America and love her for the same reasons…America cares. America prospers in the face of adversity, in spi
FUCK THE TURKS. ONE DAY CHRISTIANS WILL DESTROY YOU
THOMAS;;;
BE SURE THAT THE ELIMINATION OF THE TURKS OUT OF THE HISTORY IS MUCH DIFFUCULT THAN HOW YOU CAN FUCK YOUR BIG ASS.
IF YOU SAY I AM READY TO DO THIS, THEN WE ARE READY TO DESTROY
AND DON'T YOU THINK THIS WILL BE SO INTERESTING...WE HEARD LOTS OF HEROES WHO DIED FOR THEIR CIVILAZITION BUT YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE WHOSE BIG FUCKED ASS WILL BE SYMBOLIZED AS "BRAVE ASS"
AND LASTLY... BE SURE THAT WE ARE JUST THE ONES, READY TO DIE FOR OUR CIVILAZITION, EVEN IF SUCH MOTHERFUCKERS AS THOMAS THINK WHAT SO.
jake amına koyam
Jake, watchout, you have some turks on your tail. They cut your head off, rape your wife and then kill, raise your kids as turks.
The turks themselves don't know their own history. Some of them think that the armenians left out of their own free will because that's what their grandparents taught them. Some think they are all living the rich life in other countries while they are living their in poordom.
A country that covers up their past --> Turkey
Some of the posts on here are so ridiculous...there must be some 12 year old's up past their bedtime!! Bet most of you have not even seen this movie. I am not an American, nor a Turk but I have seen it and it is a great movie (Ghassan Massoud id brill) like many others. I also happen to love Turkey...again unlike most of you I have actually been there (travelled all over) and happen to know what I am talking about. And you wonder why the America bashin is so popular in the world right now!! Pride is a dangerous thing.
The post from the individual who advises that the US is being hypocritical e.g. Midnight Express etc absolutely encompasses everything i wanted to say. Half of what was in that movie was not even true, the American involved even came back to Turkey to apologise for the way the Hollywood movie protrayed the Turks because it was lies. You are now whining about a bloody movie for goodness sake...it's a movie!! I've seen far worse come out of America! Did ye really think ye could go around the world doing what you like? Invading other countries...attacking innocent civilians and that the world would love you for it!! That there would be no repurcussions?
I hate to say it as i once had a love affair with the US which unfortunately like a lot of people, i have been cured of but America today is nothing more that a Modern British Empire...the worlds worst oppressors of foreign nations...simple as! Just keep out of other people's business. Stop putting dictators in power in foreign countries where you have no business being...it hasn't paid off very well has it. Oh but poor you, you can do no wrong...and now that those people who suffered under regimes you created have an issue with you, you cant take it. As for free speech...free speech my backside!! It's only free over there if you agree with it. I have never seen a nation more brainwashed and terrified and it makes me sad. It is fed into you daily by your biased media and i genuinely feel for you. A democracy of hypocrisy!
America could have been a great nation and it once was under the likes of Kennedy and ye can still be great but ye need to be the change ye wat to see in the world...not enforce it on others when you can't even practice it yerselves. Some food for thought I hope!!
Also, something that somebody mentioned on here made me laugh...shows how well up a lot of you are on your Gepgraphy. So Turkey is a small country is it??? By the time Turkey make it into the EU in say 5-10 years...they will in fact be the biggest country in the EU with the biggest population. Bigger than Germany (presently the largest).
Another point..i've heard so much nonsence on here from people who haven't a notion what they are talking about clearly...Turkey is absolutely NOT a third world country. It also has one of the most respected, disciplined and powerful secular militaries in the World. This is even recognised by the US...do your research! The Turkish military are a formidable force and as the defenders of secularism in Turkey , I admire and respect them greatly.
I'm also a little sick of this 'America is the greatest nation on earth' with the most powerful military bla bla bla...we've heard it all before. Every nation is great to those who belong to it. Show some respect and maybe a ittle humility. Surely you are not so naive as to think that if the whole of Europe's militaries joined together that you could defeat them for example? The Germans, the Turks, The French, The British (to name but a few) etc...I think not! Why are you always trying to enforce superiority...it shows only arrogance and stupidity which im sure most of you dispise in an average person. Dont feed it! Think about it!
Another issue I have noticed...people referring to PKK and the Kurds...does the American government and the UN not list the PKK as international terrorists. They are on the list...check it out. Educate yourselves. While your doing that you might also remind yourselves that it was not the Turks that re-drew the boundaries of nations after WW2 and caused all of this to begin with. I believe it was the "SUPERPOWERS" as usual. The Turks are suffering the consequences and the terrorist attacks by the PKK.
Finally i would just like to say for fear of sounding biased...I am well aware that Turkey has wronged in the past in many way. I am well aware of the Ottoman Empire's conquests and Armenia etc...I am by no means saying Turkey is perfect but I find it difficult to listen to a lot of uneducated comments on here.
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