Best people in the world? What do you mean by that? It sounds silly to me.
http://www.cnsnews.com/
ViewNatio...T20060811a.html
"Everyone can agree," she added, that there is a serious problem from illegal immigration. But, Reiff argued, the only way to fix the problem is for the government to offer an easier way to enter the country legally simultaneous to any crackdown on illegal entry.
"You're deluding yourself to say that you're going to fix the problem by securing the border, because the border will never be secured," Reiff said. "The only way to fix the problem of undocumented coming into this country and with the current undocumented population is to do everything at the same time ... in one comprehensive bill."
The Grassfire.org poll did not ask respondents how they would deal with illegal aliens after securing the border, but a June 12 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that 50 percent of Americans favor a plan similar to the Senate bill that would build a 370-mile fence along the border with Mexico and grant amnesty to illegal aliens who have been in the United States for more than two years.
In the NBC poll, one third of respondents favored the House plan, which calls for a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border and would deport aliens who are already in the United States illegally.
And why do you post pictures of criminals in prison as a representation of immigrants? Is that what you think the majority is? Are you serious about being that dishonest?
Hann-
Why do you act like it's not a problem?
Tell your fellow Americans, especially those on the border that all that crime they experience is really nothing to worry about. It's not like they live in a sovereign nation or pay their taxes.
Would it be too much of taxpayers to expect their nation to act like a sovereign nation?
Stan,
I didnt say it wasnt a problem. I just dont believe the photo he posted is an accurate representation of the majority of illegals.
I think Jake is just tryingto get people to hate Mexicans and anyone else that is brown or black. Read his posts.
Well, actually all illegal aliens are criminals by definition so yeah, the picture is as accurate a representation as can be.
breaking the law is breaking the law, right?
that said,this mexican fellow (http://www.aztlanelectronicnews.net/content/view/
121/30/ ) seems to think the hispanic-on-black crime wave or, as the splc ( http://www.splcenter.org/intel/i...cle.jsp?
aid=722 )
explains, the "Anti-black violence conducted by Latino gangs in Los Angeles (which) has been ongoing for more than a decade." is the result of some deal between the blacks and the "authorities" Back when Pelican Bay State Prison was being built.or some such drivel.
of course the number of crimes committed by hispanic street gangs nationwide has increased along with the hispanic illegal alien population.
disregarding the law in the little things would seem to encourage further illegal activity.
or is there no connection between the two?
as for jake trying to get people to hate mexicans or anyone else that is brown or black, well, no. it's just that he's a white guy and any white guy who doesn't swoon over the destruction of his country at the hands of third world tribesman is immediately branded a racist or worse.
you (hannitized) should get yourself to a minuteman demonstration or rally and observe who indulges in race hate, bigotry and violence. it's never the american citizen groups. it is ALWAYS the illegal aliens and their supporters.
as for polls, well, the increasing numbers of state legislatures and municipalities attempting to pass legislation designed to remove unwanted and unwelcome illegal aliens from their respective communities is a better indicator of where Americans stand on illegal aliens than any poll.
no one, except criminals and liberals, like illegal activity.
dt
Well, actually all illegal aliens are criminals by definition so yeah, the picture is as accurate a representation as can be.
Border crossing is illegal, yes. But comparing most of those laborers to tattooed faced gang-bangers and vicious crime criminals is very far from accurate. Your dishonesty about that says a lot about you and how off you are on probably just about anything pertaining to this issue.
breaking the law is breaking the law, right?
Not all crimes are equal. Severity of crimes are measured. There are extremes. But you know this.
or, as the splc explains
Did you link to the racial slur? Or are you using a racial slur to prove your not racist?
And I dont understand the reason to provide a link to gang violence? Gang violence has and always will be stupid and criminal? Should I link you to race and hate crimes and gang violence as it pertains to non-Hispanics and Blacks? I dont get the point? Oh well, Ill bite.
The book recounts a microcosm of the 'second civil war', the war which returned vanquished Dixie to the control of the antebellum slave-masters. Specifically, it tells of the struggle between the North Texas unionist Lewis Peacock and his slave-master neighbor, Bob Lee. Peacock wins the battle with Lee, but loses the war and his life.
The details are chilling. Lewis Peacock is simply a man of principle and one has to wonder why he was so careless with his life. In short he foolishly fights the ethics of slavery. As Bob Lee put it, "I'll kill any [...] that won't tip his hat at me." Bob Lee and his pals (including John Wesley Hardin) go out of their way to perform this 'hat tipping' test, fulfilling his promise with stunning immediacy.
http://www.amazon.com/Murder-May...n/dp/
1585442801
disregarding the law in the little things would seem to encourage further illegal activity..
That is a whole other debate. Does jail create worse criminals? Yes. But a lot of people break laws. You probably speed everyday. White people break small laws all the time, doesnt mean they turn into gang members. Your just being foolish now.
as for jake trying to get people to hate mexicans or anyone else that is brown or black, well, no. it's just that he's a white guy and any white guy who doesn't swoon over the destruction of his country at the hands of third world tribesman is immediately branded a racist or worse.
You mean like they did to good ol boys Bob Lee and John Wesley?
Nonsense. Jake post to links of people in Africa and picks on them. He just picks on non-whites stories that have nothing to do with immigration.
...you (hannitized) should get yourself to a minuteman demonstration or rally and observe who indulges in race hate, bigotry and violence. it's never the american citizen groups. it is ALWAYS the illegal aliens and their supporters.
And that would change my perspective on you us
...you (hannitized) should get yourself to a minuteman demonstration or rally and observe who indulges in race hate, bigotry and violence. it's never the american citizen groups. it is ALWAYS the illegal aliens and their supporters.
And that would change my perspective on you using the word Spic and all of Jakes race-baiting posts? No, there are racists all over the world. You just have to choose to be apart of them or not. I dont hang around racists...except for this site.
no one, except criminals and liberals, like illegal activity.
Except of course the President?? That statement is just so upsurd it doesn't dignify a worthy response.
I'm pretty sure the guy in the pic is a Republican.
I mean, he's making a "W" for Dubya isn't he?
Heh.
I'm sure those poll numbers really do shock libs.
I don't know, Hannitized, it sounds as if your perspective on this topic is quite racist itself. I.e., you say that the members of one race (whites) have an obligation to give special treatment to the members of another race (Hispanics, setting aside that the latter is normally considered an ethnicity), *not* because of anything that the members of the former group have done to the latter, but what long-deceased members of the former did to long-deceased members of the latter many generations ago. As if sins committed by members of a given race are both transmitted to all other members of that race, even regardless of actual descendancy, and transmitted indefinitely through time. Likewise, those who are sinned against indefinitely perpetuate a debt they are owed to all other members of that race until that debt is paid. Isn't that what you are saying? Sounds pretty religious.
Jimmy B?
I almost peed myself there buddy! MJ is working on the photoshop as we speak. Will send you a copy as soon as it's done.
The best people in the world...strike again.
http://www.gallupindependent.com...1/10-09-
00.html
FARMINGTON — Robert Fry and Leslie Engh are sitting in San Juan County Detention Center without bail, waiting for a late spring trial in the murder cases of Betty Lee, a 36-year-old single mother of five from Shiprock, and Donald Tsosie, a 41-year-old father of five from Ganado, Ariz.
In addition to the charges already filed, detectives continue to investigate the possible participation of the suspects in several other unsolved Farmington murders.
snip..
Some of the kids, including Fry, named their group "The Wild Bunch." They used citizen band radios, played CB tag and all of them had "handles," or nicknames. Christina Trecker claimed that after her son's death, that group changed names several times: to Wilder Bunch, then EPAAC, and finally, KKK Krazy Kowboy Killers.
"Border crossing is illegal, yes. But comparing most of those laborers to tattooed faced gang-bangers and vicious crime criminals is very far from accurate. Your dishonesty about that says a lot about you and how off you are on probably just about anything pertaining to this issue.?
____ most of those illegals are laborers? so that's what the 20 or so million illegal aliens are? laborers?
ok. so when these laborers who left their third world dumps for the promised land (the us) breed, who pays for their kid's delivery? and pre and post natal care? and disposable diapers and car seats?
not the illegals. american taxpayers.
they have no right to those services. those services are for americans, paid for by americans.
what do you call taking something that ain't yours?
theft
and what are the costs of shoving a small number of illegal alien gang bangers into the criminal justice system compared to the costs of millions of illegal alien anchor babies delivered and educated on the american taxpayers dime?
clearly the long term damage inflicted upon us by millions of illegals far outweighs the predictable savagery evidenced by illegal alien criminals.
numbers count right?
i say the crimes of your illegal alien laborer friends far outweighs the degenerate, but predictable behavior of the illegal alien gangbanger.
"...Not all crimes are equal. Severity of crimes are measured. There are extremes. But you know this."
right. see above
"Did you link to the racial slur? Or are you using a racial slur to prove your not racist?
And I dont understand the reason to provide a link to gang violence? Gang violence has and always will be stupid and criminal? Should I link you to race and hate crimes and gang violence as it pertains to non-Hispanics and Blacks? I dont get the point? Oh well, Ill bite.
...racial slur?
splc- southern poverty law center is a racial slur?
I linked to the gang violence piece for a couple of reasons. one,i personally believe hispanic illegal aliens to be the most racist and violent creatures in the country today. (second only to muslims)and two, if the splc is calling the murder of blacks at the hands of hispanic gangbangers genocide, you know you have a problem, and three, hispanic gangbangers wouldn't be murdering americans in their own country if there wasn't a sizable illegal alien population for these lowlifes to operate in.
disregarding the law in the little things would seem to encourage further illegal activity..
That is a whole other debate. Does jail create worse criminals? Yes. But a lot of people break laws. You probably speed everyday. White people break small laws all the time, doesnt mean they turn into gang members. Your just being foolish now.
----jail didn't create hispanic illegal aliens, their respective countries and backwards cultures did. and because you think lots of people break laws illegal immigration is ok? huh?
i can break the speed limit every day, but doing
--- but doing so won't cost my fellow citizens an extra dime.
that is not the case with illegal aliens.
"......you (hannitized) should get yourself to a minuteman demonstration or rally and observe who indulges in race hate, bigotry and violence. it's never the american citizen groups. it is ALWAYS the illegal aliens and their supporters.
And that would change my perspective on you using the word Spic and all of Jakes race-baiting posts? No, there are racists all over the world. You just have to choose to be apart of them or not. I dont hang around racists...except for this site..."
never used the word. sorry. and the presentation of facts ought not be misconstrued as race baiting. but whatever.
"...no one, except criminals and liberals, like illegal activity.
Except of course the President?? That statement is just so upsurd it doesn't dignify a worthy response..."
well, i'd suggest your president has engaged in far more than simple illegal activity, but that's another story.
good luck
dt
...racial slur? splc-,,, is a racial slur?
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spic
most of those illegals are laborers? so that's what the 20 or so million illegal aliens are? laborers?
Yes. http://www.poultry.org/
labor_imm..._immigrants.htm
ok. so when these laborers who left their third world dumps for the promised land (the us) breed, who pays for their kid's delivery?
Two points here. Do you know how insurance rates work? The rate you or your employer pays incorporate costs of Americans who dont have insurance (Thank you Walmart). We have a healthcare problem in this country, if you havent noticed.
So yes under the current circumstance immigrants coming in large waves increase the existing economic burden when there is no national healthcare system. But if there is a National Healthcare system.....
Hospitals aren't subsidized.....FARMERS are. Why do I have to pay for Farmers problems? Why do I have to pay for wars I dont support? Do you know how much I payed in taxes last year? About 45k.....cry me a river already.
Oh and when they have children or (breed) those children are Americans, just as you are. In fact more American than you are because they have native blood of the AMERICAS, be it North, South or Central....AMERICA.
what do you call taking something that ain't yours?,,,theft
Funny, that's what they say about you and yours who took the land from them. You have to be careful with that sort of logic in this situation.
i say the crimes of your illegal alien laborer friends far outweighs the degenerate, but predictable behavior of the illegal alien gangbanger.
Really? Why dont you quantify that with statistics that show 1) what a human life costs 2) what ROI there is on a new American who goes on to do great things 3) How much sustenance their presence brings to our economy currently?
I meant what a human life is worth (that is killed).
i personally believe hispanic illegal aliens to be the most racist and violent creatures in the country today.
More violent than Robert Frye who stabbed Leslie Engh (a Native American, studying nurse/mother of 5) then smashed her head in with a sledge hammer? More racist than Robert Frye who belonged to the self described "Wild Bunch" or KKK Krazy Killer Kowboys?
Gee, your position wouldnt be biased or prejudiced in anyway would it?
if the splc is calling the murder of blacks at the hands of hispanic gangbangers genocide, you know you have a problem,
Stop using racist slurs. You come off crude, uneducated and rude.
hispanic gangbangers wouldn't be murdering americans in their own country if there wasn't a sizable illegal alien population for these lowlifes to operate in.
There are so many factors to that situation that we can discuss. Im not interested in going into it...but you are leaping to conclusions without facts. Please support your position with statistics and evidence. Good luck with that.
----jail didn't create hispanic illegal aliens, their respective countries and backwards cultures did.
Your point was its fair to compare illegal immigrants (who mostly just want a crappy job) to MS13 gangbangers, and that it was a valid comparison. That is upsurd!
and because you think lots of people break laws illegal immigration is ok? huh?
Dont put words in my mouth. I dont compare your CRIME to a gangbanger and you shouldnt compare their CRIME to gangbangers. The criminal justice system we have would separate the crimes by degrees.
but doing so won't cost my fellow citizens an extra dime. that is not the case with illegal aliens.
BULLCRAP. Do you know how much it costs American taxpayers to pay police who spend their valuable time pulling over CRIMINALS who speed?
never used the word. sorry. and the presentation of facts ought not be misconstrued as race baiting. but whatever.
Youve used it twice now. And Jakes post about Africans who are living in Africa (who he refers to as "New Americans") is nothing more than insulting them and their intelligence because of their belief in some flying bat has no relevance to immigration. Its just race-baiting bullshit. If you want to defend it than your a racist too.
well, i'd suggest your president has engaged in far more than simple illegal activity, but that's another story.
Well, hes your president too. And while I disagree with him on MANY things, I disagree fairly and patriotically. If you think hes committed crimes, I would be interested to hear what you think those crimes are?
Whoops..I meant Robert Frye murdered Betty Lee, a 36yr old Navajo, mother of 5/studying Nurse....
He smashed her head 3 times with a sledge hammer after he stabbed her repeatedly.
He blonged to the KKK, Krazy Killer Kowboys and the WILD BUNCH....
han?
no disrespect, but your insistence that the letters splc are a racial slur would indicate an inability to seperate fact from your own preconceived notions.
again, s-southern, p-poverty, l-law, c-center.
sure, the splc is a perjorative. but a racial slur? morris dees would take offense.
if you can't see letters on a page as they are written than words will have little or no meaning.
what's the point?
as for the tired native-blood-they-were-here-first argument,well, haplogroupx indicates a european presence here that predates clovis.
have a look: http://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/feat...atures/
dna2.htm
but we've already had that discussion.
anyway, nice chatting with you.
Han, I support Jake and what he is doing. In all my communication with him I have never heard anything racist. The most he and I are guilty of is generalization --Something that is fundamental for human understanding, and just like when we insult Muslims for radicalism, it is a given that there are always exceptions.
I married a Hispanic, and used to work for a Hispanic, and have worked with many. Most of them with Mexican ancestry, and all of them I found to be good people. Both my wife's family and my former boss (the people I talked to about it) were against illegal immigration. They consider themselves American first.
My old boss went through segregation of the "brown and the white" when he went to school in Arizona. He held no grudge. He served in Vietnam as a Marine. He now runs a business and refuses to serve people who can't speak English. He is fluent in Spanish, and completely disagrees with people who are "too lazy" to learn English. I would say he is more anti-illegal immigration than I am.
A lot of my wife's family is from St. Louis. Needless to say they have experienced a lot of crime from Hispanics. They know that if something was done to stop the flow of illegals entering willy nilly, they would feel a lot safer.
I like Mexicans, I don't like criminals. There is a cultural difference, and a major one at that. I think if the left would stop categorizing the anti-illegal immigration activists as racist, most people would better see we are against the criminal element that illegal immigration contributes to.
Stan,
Thanks for the fair and honest debate.
I am against illegal immigration also. Perhaps we differ on how to deal with it, but were against it.
I also think they should learn to speak English, I dont even speak Spanish fluently and I am Spanish and have relatives who once came from Mexico.
Did you see Jakes post about people who live in Africa? It was about some sexual predator bat they thought were raping their women. It was pretty lame to call them "The New Americans".
There was nothing to that post than the suggestion that Black people who are dumb are bad for our country.
That is racist to me. In my opinion Jake is getting carried away. He reminds me of African Americans who see racist problems where it doesnt exist. You know those types, those who are overly sensitive and see things that dont exist out of their overwhelming sense of victimization?
Anyway, I recognize your point and I agree. People shouldn't throw that word around (racist). But I only ask that you take a look at some of the debate between me and some of the people here, its eye opening.
I only ask that people remember that some Mexicans are just descendants of oppressed people who are trying to turn it around.
Absolutely some of them are hard criminals, but not most. I just would like to see honest debate, not this inflammatory posting that causes more hatred and anger.
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