This is exactly the "social justice" the socialists are constantly crying for.
WAA WAA WAA.
They can all go screw themselves as far as I'm concerned.
RWR
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I.e., you say that the members of one race (whites) have an obligation to give special treatment to the members of another race
That is an incorrect summation.
You are confusing race with Nationality. I am Spanish, Italian and Native American. Therefore, I have the moral obligation to view things fairly and deal with this situation sensitively due to what my ancestors have done, yes. It has NOTHING to do with race. Americans can be all races and colors.
Therefore, your conclusion is false.
*not* because of anything that the members of the former group have done to the latter, but what long-deceased members of the former did to long-deceased members of the latter many generations ago..
Oppression occurred not little more than a hundred years ago. That is barely two generations. The kind of oppression that was put upon those you are condemning sometimes takes time to rise above. Particularly when there has been racism that prevented the races of those who were oppressed from obtaining the types of jobs that could enable them to rise out of the circumstance that was forced upon them.
Isn't that what you are saying? Sounds pretty religious.
No, that is not what I was saying. I was just saying that anyone with Native American blood in them deserve some sensitivity when it comes to their desire to work for a living in order to rise above oppression.
I believe we have a moral obligation to be as fair as possible. But what I most care about is to stop the righteous indignation attitudes that exist on this subject. It is adding insult to injury and I go out of my way to remind those people of the sensitive nature of this circumstance we are in. Thats all.
I have the moral obligation to view things fairly and deal with this situation sensitively due to what my ancestors have done, yes.
I finally get it! I seems you have a horribly misplaced sense of guilt about the "shameful" manner in which the incompatible tribes your very existence represents treated each other, and you are bound and determined to make us all tow your enfeebled line as some bizarre ritual of penance for the idiocy of your ancestors. In your warped little walnut of a brain, you see your genes as warring amongst themselves and you must somehow referee the contest. The conundrum that is your essence renders you so confused that you believe a century harbors a mere two generations despite the fact that the average age coupling within your ethnic mix has reproduced as many as five times.
All wrapped up in one pathetically confused little package, you represent prima facie evidence that multiculturalism as a societal model is doomed to failure. You can't even get along with the various inferior-feeling parts of yourself; how on earth is this nation if made a mosh-pit of squabbling ethnic interests supposed to thrive, much less excel as it has in the past? You're the most compact example of why Jefferson was right when he warned (Notes on Virginia) that immigration of too many, too different peoples would render this nation an "heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass."
The parts of you are doomed to never getting along. I suggest a self-partition. Do you live near a lumber mill?
I still say let me squeeze his head until it pops like a zit
Yeah, I like that idea too.
You guys are killing me! 
Oh, thanks for stopping by RWR!
No, you dont. You still have no idea what a constitutional republic is.
You still refuse to admit what role the Iroquois played in the creation of the Articles of the Federation. And how that shaped the Constitution.
You still refuse to admit the oppression caused to Native Americans by Europeans. Instead you cling to your precious moral relativist position to justify your ancestors atrocities in order to live out your corrupt moral existence.
I seems you have a horribly misplaced sense of guilt about the "shameful" manner in which the incompatible tribes your very existence represents treated each other,
I seems? You mean the way they went to war with each other? What is shameful about war? You go to war when you must, right? Maybe you are confusing what your ancestors did with what Native Americans did. What am I talking about of course you are.
and you are bound and determined to make us all tow your enfeebled line as some bizarre ritual of penance for the idiocy of your ancestors.
Uh....is this because you think your ancestors didnt oppress or cause genocide against Native Americans?
This is all too hilarious. You really like to ingore reality and history dont you? It's amazing the lengths you will go to live out your morally corrupt position.
a century harbors a mere two generations despite the fact that the average age coupling within your ethnic mix has reproduced as many as five times.
Which part? The italian side? I dont get your point....im 8th generation, your 14th..i guess its your family that is operating at your suggested rate, but of course we dont sleep with our children and cousins.
All wrapped up in one pathetically confused little package, you represent prima facie evidence that multiculturalism as a societal model is doomed to failure.
How silly of you to use legal expressions to refer to supposition. But thats what you do best, pretend to sound like you know what you are talking about. The fact that you hate the idea of "multiculturalism" so much is "prima facie" evidence that you are a big ol fat racist.
Cheers to you ya good ol boy!!
You can't even get along with the various inferior-feeling parts of yourself; how on earth is this nation if made a mosh-pit of squabbling ethnic interests supposed to thrive, much less excel as it has in the past?
Inferior feeling parts of myself? Hmmm...interesting, your state of mind. You wouldnt happen to be projecting or anything would you?
you're the most compact example of why Jefferson was right when he warned (Notes on Virginia) that immigration of too many, too different peoples would render this nation an "heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass."
I cant help you see progress differently than your racist ancestors.
Welcome to America. I think it's John McCain who recognizes what it means to be an American today. HINT: Not like you and your racist ass.
I still say let me squeeze his head until it pops like a zit.
What is this fascination you have with wanting to "squeeze" me? You have said that twice now. Are you a closet homosexual looking for an excuse to show your affection to those you are strangely aroused by?
Why not engage me in Holmgang? It is painfully difficult for you to use logic and reason isnt it? You cant keep up so you have to make loving offers of affection to me to somehow embarrass me.
Well, Im sorry...im not interested in being squeezed by you. I think its sorta gay. Get yourself a good woman.
Thanks for the perfect opening. I'd suggest professional help, but I have too much respect for the folks that do that sort of thing for a living to send the incurable and the insufferable basket cases their way.
The first in my line to live on this continent, 13 generations ago, arrived in 1608. Five generations ago, another ancestor was Washington's neighbor, Masonic Lodge brother and reliable captain in the Revolutionary Army. My family has always maintained a great reverence for stewardship, so early on, I learned the stories of my birthright. On the other hand, your eight-generation-removed ancestor got here when? About 1920? I wager we could map out a reasonable facsimile of your gene pool by tracking the indiscriminately-breeding vermin that just shut down that Taco Bell in New York. I'm sure that your parents were tickled to regale you with stories about how your grandmother used to love to scurry out into the kitchen from her gnawed-hole-in-the-wall hiding space and scare some poor little housewife silly.
By the way, your rants about that Iroquois "contribution" are trite in that they give far too much credit...kind of like the insipid claims that African tribesmen "built" the pyramids. Our form of government is more directly descended from the structure of townhall meetings of the northeast, the Mayflower Compact, the brilliance of the Magna Carta, the ideals of Aristotle, the Roman republic, Plato and other ancestors who contributed to the lineage of Western thought, most of which pre-date the somewhat similar Iroquois ideas by a half century.
As a long-time student of human nature and the predictability of human behavior, I can understand the whole thing from your perspective quite clearly. The combined average IQ of your gene pool is what, about 87? Since you've got so little in your heritage to look up to, I understand how you feel the need to inflate it...and cling to every fairy tale that might legitimize your pathetic little existence. I've gotta admit your beliefs are interesting, in the same sort of way that an ant farm is briefly interesting. But there's a lot more intellectually stimulating stuff available to those who study human nature than the ranting guilt trips of poorly-bred imbeciles.
And what the hell are the "Articles of the Federation," numbnuts? Did the Iroquois influence Captain Kirk? Your unfamiliarity with history is betrayed by your limited Google skills. Your whorish love of multiculturalism betrays a profound ignorance of what it takes for nations to remain whole. The main reason I'm so selective in replying to the spittle you insist in golden prose is the the ideals you so poorly express through halting, disjointed and lackluster composition seldom rise above the level of the banal and the inane.
As a final note, your repeated ad nauseum insertion of John McCain into your pos
Hannitized, please don't forget to keep in mind what your Italian ancestors did during WWII. Several thousand Italian Jews were sent to concentration camps and died there - for no other reason than the fact that they were Jews.
And, that was only 60-65 years ago. I'd say your Holocaust guilt burden and your obligation to be particularly sensitive to Jews is not insignificant.
Perhaps in the future we might have better insight into who had which ancestors, say, through DNA analysis. If we couple that data with a good spreadsheet, we should be able to calculate precisely how much each individual person owes how much extra sensitivity to which racial or ethnic group, based on the individual's and groups' DNA makeup.
Hey dork boy, I don't converse with ignorant imbeciles like you. It's a waste of time
Besides, everytime you open your mouth, KD spanks you & puts you in your place. He does that so well, there's no need for me to pipe in
Oh & dork boy, do you live in Chicago? I'll be happy to meet you & show you just how "gay" I am
Our form of government is more directly descended from the structure of townhall meetings of the northeast, the Mayflower Compact, the brilliance of the Magna Carta, the ideals of Aristotle, the Roman republic, Plato and other ancestors .
Gosh, your so supreme! I know its painful for you, but you miss much of the cognitive territory that needs to be explored as to how much influcene Native Americans had on shaping the thinking of Europeans.
Why dont you educate yourself before you attempt to open your mouth on subjects you obviously know little about, or before you do a Google search on the word Democracy.
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici...B2-M&
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And it's absolutely ridiculous for you to claim ethnic ties to all of the influencers you claim as references to "our form of government". You cant even articulate what it is you are specifically referring to.
My family has always maintained a great reverence for stewardship, so early on, I learned the stories of my birthright. On the other hand, your eight-generation-removed ancestor got here when? About 1920?
Your such a dimwit. First, you are discounting my Native American heritage. That supersedes anything you have to say on the subject. But that isn't the point. You are somehow trying to show some sort of birthright associated with your lineage. That isnt even the point of it. But since were on the subject...
Your math is about par with the rest of your idiotic logic. Im only 8th generation CALIFORNIAN. My family name goes back to 1510 that came down with the Spanish Conquistadors. Being both soldiers and lawyers my family moved up to the California coast before it became part of America. My European lineage goes back much farther than yours, but big whoopee fucking doo. My Native American side goes back much further than any of those.
My family was part of the first American Government when the war was over to prevent riots and bandits from slaughtering whites. Appointed by General Fremont my relatives helped establish peace and harmony between the Mexicans and whites. Thats right...we helped your immigrant asses make it on the west coast.
I wager we could map out a reasonable facsimile of your gene pool by tracking the indiscriminately-breeding vermin that just shut down that Taco Bell in New York.
Wow, you are funny. And you ramble on like a drooling baboon. Why dont you try and make a point instead of trying to make up for your insecurities?
As a long-time student of human nature and the predictability of human behavior, I can understand the whole thing from your perspective quite clearly.
But you dont. What you dont understand is that we are all Americans. Some of us have been here longer, some of us have ancestry that predates Europeans (me not you). Some of have ancestry that is responsible for the oppression brought to the Native Americans. I admit it, you dont.
Your a lying sac-o-shit, Im not.
The combined average IQ of your gene pool is what, about 87? Since you've got so little in your heritage to look up to, I understand how you feel the need to inflate it...and cling to every fairy tale that might legitimize your pathetic little existence.
See, youre a white supremist that cant keep up on honest debate. So you have to go into rants where spittle is flying out of your mouth to insult me, because you can't debate point by point. Because you NEED to live in denial. You NEED your moral relativism in order to maintain your corrupt moral outlook on what it means to be an American.
Live in the now....bitch. What American is today isnt what it was 200 years ago. Deal with it.
But there's a lot more intellectually stimulating stuff available to those who study human nature than the ranting guilt trips of poorly-bred imbeciles.
You wouldnt know human nature if it hit you upside your head like a wet bologna sandwich.
“It would be a strange thing if six nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a scheme for such a union and be able to execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages and appears insoluble; and yet that a like union should be impractical for ten or a dozen English colonies." - Ben Franklin
Faithkeeper Oren Lyons, an Onondaga, states The Great Law of Peace includes “freedom of speech, freedom of religion, [and] the right of women to participate in government. Separation of power in government and checks and balances within government are traceable to our Iroquois constitution—ideas learned by colonists.”
The central idea underlying Iroquois political philosophy is that peace is the will of the Creator, and the ultimate spiritual goal and natural order among humans. The principles of Iroquois government embodied in The Great Law of Peace were transmitted by a historical figure called the Peacemaker. His teachings emphasize the power of Reason to assure Righteousness, Justice and Health among humans. Peace came to the Iroquois, not through war and conquest, but through the exercise of Reason guided by the spiritual mind. The Iroquois League is based not on
... but through the exercise of Reason guided by the spiritual mind. The Iroquois League is based not on force of arms or rule of law, but spiritual concepts of natural law applied to human society.
What do you have to say about that, you racist piece of garbage?
Your whorish love of multiculturalism betrays a profound ignorance of what it takes for nations to remain whole.
Multiculturalism, Multiculturalism...is that all you have to argue about? If you havent noticed, our country is whole.
I know you would like to return to a time like Gone with the Wind, that Hollywood has you misty-eyed about. Where you could slap black people, give them their marching orders to serve you and live in the arrogant fashion you think your ethnicity deserves, but it's time to join the real world.
It's time to welcome the modern world where men and women are created equal. Again, I know it's hard for you, but its not my problem....its yours.
Heh.
You so consistently confound "creation" with "outcomes" it raises the question: Do you know the difference?
What you desire is the re-engineering of outcomes so that everything is equal. Thanks for playing. Did you have ancestors who were indentured to Karl Marx? Or perhaps they were just the rats in his pantry.
Hey dork boy, I don't converse with ignorant imbeciles like you. It's a waste of time.
Really? Because thats exactly what you are doing now, idiot.
The reason you dont, is because you are incapable of making a point that has a solid foundation of logic and fact to support it.
Besides, everytime you open your mouth, KD spanks you & puts you in your place. He does that so well, there's no need for me to pipe in.
Hes lost every point. And youre nothing more than a Gilligan, A Barney Pfife or a Gomer Pyle.
Your a lousy sidekick who cant keep up with the conversation.
Oh & dork boy, do you live in Chicago? I'll be happy to meet you & show you just how "gay" I am.
THANK YOU. Thank you for showing everyone what hypocrite piece of garbage you are. Youre not better than the illegal immigrant criminals YOU PRETEND to be better than.
Your morals are similar to those you criticize.
YOU ARENT MAN ENOUGH to fight me. I wouldnt lower myslef to fight an unworthy opponent. I rather watch you go to jail for being the idiot you are.
You so consistently confound "creation" with "outcomes" it raises the question: Do you know the difference?
This is what you call MOVING THE GOALPOSTS. This is what loosers do when you have proven your point and they have lost the debate. They change the argument.
First you said Natives didnt have the nobility Europeans had. I proved you wrong by showing you the impact they had on our Constitution, amoung other things.
Then, you said I gave them too much credit that the shaping of our Constitution came from this that and the other. Part of what you say is true, but you discount the Native Americans role in the shaping of our government (because youre a racist).
Now, you say it doesnt matter because they failed. Putting aside the reality that they never had a chance for their history to play out. BECAUSE EUROPEANS INVADED their land and changed their way of life.
Give me a break. Youre a lightweight.
You haven't "proved" squat. Our non-responsiveness to the more insane portions of your exposition does not come from our inability to refute your points, it comes from our faith in other readers' ability to laugh at you along with us, without our having to explain why. Based upon the degeneration of spelling and punctuation in your posts, I'd say we're getting under that thin skin of your's, ratboy.
Nutjob anti-racists are far bigger threats to our maintaining a cohesive and productive culture than racists will ever be; prejudice, a wise, old and usually revered term now epithetically referred to as "racism" is a product of the natural human desire to be among the familiar. Anti-racism springs from a deep hatred for that same integral, and vital, part of human nature.
Note: I'm convinced you don't possess the intellect to properly discern the nuances in what I've written here and will again misconstrue my meanings. Your response might just be a keeper for my "laugh out loud" files.
You haven't "proved" squat.
So you're still sticking to your idiotic statement that Native Americans had nothing to do with the development of our Constitution or influence on our government? Moron!
Our non-responsiveness to the more insane portions of your exposition does not come from our inability to refute your points,..
Theres plenty of responses. And the only time you attempt to make a challenge is when you think you know what you are talking about. You're about as difficult to see through as cheap piece glass.
Based upon the degeneration of spelling and punctuation...
Thats usually the other sign you get when someone is loosing and argument and can't make a point.
Nutjob anti-racists are far bigger threats to our maintaining a cohesive and productive culture than racists will ever be;
Hahahaha. That has got to be the best line I have ever heard. Why don't you get a shirt that says that and market that brain child. Hahaha.
prejudice, a wise, old and usually revered term now epithetically referred to as "racism" is a product of the natural human desire to be among the familiar.
Are you KIDDING ME?????
Dude!!! Look up the word Prejudice!!! You moron!!
Prejudice:
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.
You see that? That is you in a f-ing nutshell. UNREASONABLE, WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE, THOUGHT or REASON.
There is absolutely nothing about prejudice that is revered, except among delusional racists KKK klansmen like yourself.
Cheerio old pal.
Your proving my point is appreciated. And you did come up with a doozy for my archives. Now, if we could just squeeze out that Hitler reference from you, our mission would be complete. The KKK reference was typical of idiots who just can't grasp the intellectual origins of conservative thought that informed our founding fathers.
WISE PREJUDICES
In today's climate, wisdom and prejudice are seen as opposite. Prejudices (pre-judgements in advance of the facts - usually negative pre-judgements) are considered ignorant and irrational. Edmund Burke would have been surprised by this. Unlike modern liberals, Burke examined the origin of prejudice, its nature and function. Prejudice originates in past, collective experiences and contains "the wisdom of the ages". Burke wrote of prejudices: "the longer they have lasted, and the more generally they have prevailed, the more we cherish them".
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