Nonsensical comments, abuse, baiting, ranting and leftist stupidity will not be tolerated.
"It is a well-established fact that leftists hate children"
Gold. Absolute gold.
A minor correction:
They hate children who aren't fully indoctrinated in their liberalite theology.
Public schools in the West have become little more than secular leftist madrassas.
We must teach our children to hate all the things that lefties love. Then they will be healthy, well-adjusted children.
Jeremy, it's funny because it's true.
Katie, children naturally reject leftist themes and concepts. Why do you think so many lefties are telling us what's wrong with children?
Who fights tooth and nail for partial birth abortion, need i say more.
"It is a well-established fact that leftists hate children."
That isn't a fact, let alone a well-established one. I'd go as far as saying it's an invention, imagined by you. Could you pleas elaborate on how you came up with this "well-established fact"?
It might not be an established fact amongst leftists, since they're clever enough not to be truthful about their true feelings, but i certainly believe it. Since you asked, have a read of the following, perhaps you'll figure it all for yourself but i doubt it. Leftists are also not very good at putting 2 & 2 together.
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Jeremy,
So, you're saying Leftists don't hate children.
Refresh my memory- Umm, which side of the political spectrum was it that always fights to have them killed before birth? I'm sorry, I forgot.
You step out of the room or take your eye off them for a second and they'll stick the blade into their brains after they're born too Panday. They only want partial birth now, but give em' that and they'll be angling for post-birth soon after that.
On a side note folks, don't expect Jezza to return to address any of your comments. He's like those lefties in America who threaten angrily to leave the country if things don't go their way. They're big on self-importance and hot air, but severely lacking in brains and balls.
Jezza's been threatening to leave us and never, ever return for years now. For a while i banned him, because i'm a nice guy, to help him with this quest. I thought he was gone, but i lifted some bans recently and here he is right on cue. Never left, he was always there, pacing about fuming and muttering angrily.
Martha, I'm sure there are some leftists who love their own children, you know... in a begrudging sort of way, but there can be no doubt that the leftist sphere is constantly pumping out anti-child tracts, reports, and studies, which really are nothing more than projections of leftists' self-loathing upon a helpless target.
Maybe you don't realise it's happening, but each time you read a study on say, how much it costs to raise a child to adulthood, what you are really reading is a leftist saying, "don't do it, it costs too much, it's not worth it".
MK, the pieces you linked to are no proof at all that "leftists" hate children!
Indians aborting children because of bizarre cultural beliefs does not make them "leftist".
China only allow one child per family because their population is too big, not because they hate children.
England's low literacy rates are not because "leftists" hate children.
Smoking wasn't banned in pubs because "leftists" hate children.
And so on.
MK, you said "It might not be an established fact amongst leftists, since they're clever enough not to be truthful about their true feelings, but i certainly believe it.", so what you're really doing is giving me your opinion with only the loosest of facts to back it up. The Howard government practically ignored child-care - is it because they hate children?
Panday, women don't have abortions because they hate children. That is a ludicrous claim that bears no relation to any truth, or fact.
MK, you say: "You step out of the room or take your eye off them for a second and they'll stick the blade into their brains after they're born too Panday. They only want partial birth now, but give em' that and they'll be angling for post-birth soon after that."
Can I have some proof of that, or is that another misinformed opinion? I get the feeling that you're just blaming everything you don't like about the modern world on these mysterious "leftists".
"MK, the pieces you linked to are no proof at all..."
So i take it you don't believe the post by AR or what i said. Alright then, no worries.
The contention is that "leftists hate children", of which you have supplied me no real proof other than your own opinions which carry no weight at all.
Now, come on MK. You're a smart guy. You can do better than this.
"Refresh my memory- Umm, which side of the political spectrum was it that always fights to have them killed before birth?"
Incidentally, though i didn't post this question or the blog entry, why did you weasel around that?
You're right, i am smart, smart enough to know that some won't be convinced no matter what. Incidentally you seem to have some sort of idea that if something cannot be proven to you then it's not valid.
Sorry to burst your bubble martha, but whether you believe something or not, is really not something that bothers or interests me. It's not my job to supply you with evidence/facts/links or anything, if you don't want to believe what's posted here, then don't.
Or are you just upset that we think differently to you?
"Refresh my memory- Umm, which side of the political spectrum was it that always fights to have them killed before birth?"
Incidentally, though i didn't post this question or the blog entry, why did you weasel around that?
Because it's irrefutable proof MK that you win the argument. Clearly you are right and if we leftists advocate for a woman's right to choose we do so because we hate children and want them killed.
I never thought our evil would finally be revealed here, by someone like MK. How we underestimated you.
Thanks jezza and yes, how.
There are many ideologies which go together to make up Leftism. From this vast grab bag of shit come many policies which can only be described as child-hating. So leftists hate children. By and large, that is. I wouldn't say all leftists because as I said, Leftism is a vast bag of shit. A fair estimate would be mid to high 90s (percent).
By the way not only are leftists baby-hating scum, they're also racist, baby-hating scum.
Panday, women don't have abortions because they hate children. That is a ludicrous claim that bears no relation to any truth, or fact.
Martha,
I didn't say they did. I said the Left hates children because they militantly do everything possible to facilitate easy abortion.
Not true. Not all liberals are in favor of abortion just like not all conservatives are pro-life. A good many liberals are in favor of abortion, but not all.
Certainly a lot more than Conservatives, discounting RINOs off course, or was that CINOs.
Katie,
Not all Libs may be in favor of abortion, but there is enough of an overwhelming majority to make it a foundation of the movement.
It certainly isn't the Conservatives who push for it!
True Panday, but don't lump them all in the same basket on this. The loud mouths are the one's push the issue. The average person isn't.
So, the loudmouths in favor of abortion are a minority, which the bulk of liberals are too afraid to shut down?
Or, as I said, the overwhelming majority of Liberals are in favor of abortion, and libs like you who are against it are a tiny fraction of the whole, and still afraid to speak up?
Just to clear things up, i don't think Katie is a liberal, as in a leftie. At least not from what i could deduce from her fine writings.
Ahh. Just came back from her site.
Okay, Katie. You're definitely not a liberal. Strange, though to see you here defending some (or more?) liberals against being labeled as pro-abortion.
I haven't untied that knot yet.
I'm middle of the road. Liberal on some issues and conservative on others. Like most people I don't want to see abortion totally abolished, it would drive it underground and not stop it. But I also am personally against abortion as I see it as an erosion of society.
You see there can be common ground on issues if you sit back and think about the choices and options for compromise.
If you find yourself on common ground with leftists, you should see that as an opportunity to rethink your stance.
For leftists the goal is not providing safe abortions, but sending the message that babies are optional outcomes of your lifestyle choices.
no it isn't. For most people babies are wonderful expressions of love. It is a rabid few that hold that opinion. It is too bad that those are the one's with the loudest voices.
Katie, find the leftist that doesn't talk about abortion in terms of lifestyle, women's control over their bodies, right to choose, etc...
I know many. I also men and women against the war (rabidly) and against abortion (rabidly). They believe that THOU SHALT NOT KILL is for everyone, not just the unborn. They also are against the Death Penalty. But don't call them leftists. They are quite to the right. But I do call them Christians, for that is their driving force.
Misguided Christians who haven't researched the translations from over the centuries which led to "Thou shall not kill" from "Thou shall not commit murder".
Romans 13:3-4 is about as explicit an endorsement of capital punishment as one can get, btw.
"You're right, i am smart, smart enough to know that some won't be convinced no matter what."
So, you're out to "convince" are you? It has never crossed your mind that there is no absolute truth and you can't be right all the time?
I'm smart. Smart enough to know I don't know everything.
MK, do you really believe this?:
"You step out of the room or take your eye off them for a second and they'll stick the blade into their brains after they're born too Panday."
That's quite a thing to say. I'd love some evidence. But you have an answer for that:
"Incidentally you seem to have some sort of idea that if something cannot be proven to you then it's not valid."
No, MK, I believe in logic. I believe that opinions should be backed by facts. Your opinions and my opinions mean nothing. They are worthless. They only mean anything when backed up with verifiable facts, not the hateful accusations that you dole out.
You're starting to piss me off Martha, i gave you links, i even gave you one indicating the racism of pro-abortionists. And days later, you're still carping on and on about the same thing.
I'm running out of ways to tell you that if you don't want to be convinced, then don't. If what was said by myself and others was not sufficient for you, then i guess it isn't. The way i form my opinions is obviously different from you. If you don't like that, then File --> Exit/Close --> Don't come back. I really don't give a shit what you think.
"Your opinions and my opinions mean nothing. They are worthless."
Then piss off and don't come back.
If you persist with your trolling, i will ban you from here. It'll be a cold day in hell before I'll be running around trying to convince leftist half-wits who are too stupid to see what's staring them in the face. The warning up the top is not there for fun.
"You're starting to piss me off Martha, i gave you links, i even gave you one indicating the racism of pro-abortionists"
That link of course showed no such thing. It showed the racism of ONE pro-abortionist.
The extrapolation you're attempting to make is disingenuous in the extreme.
This is probably difficult for you to deal with, so feel free to edit this comment to some kind of homophobic insult of your usual kind.
Sure it's just one.
What i said to Martha, applies to you as well jezza, you believe whatever the heck you want to, I don't care. Though i do find it mildly amusing that you yearn so much to change my mind. Sorry lawyer boy, I don't make up my mind after running it past you and your gang of leftist weasels. This is probably difficult very for you to deal with, so feel free to piss off anytime you like.
Like i've always told you, if you don't like what i write, don't read it. I see that still hasn't made it into your thick skull. Oh and about the homophobia, we both know you're definitely a homophobe.
By the way lawyer boy, about editing your comments, you're sounding whiny, like it's going to stop you from commenting here or something. Besides what's the point, in the past you've beat your ribcage and proclaimed that you'd never return and all that, but we both know you don't have the balls to keep your word.
"You're starting to piss me off Martha, i gave you links, i even gave you one indicating the racism of pro-abortionists. And days later, you're still carping on and on about the same thing."
But you haven't given me anything. I debunked the articles above. What I asked for was proof that leftists hate children, and you gave me a whole load of articles that had nothing to do with the subject. Do you genuinely believe that smoking in pubs was banned because "leftists hate children"?
"I'm running out of ways to tell you that if you don't want to be convinced, then don't. If what was said by myself and others was not sufficient for you, then i guess it isn't. The way i form my opinions is obviously different from you. If you don't like that, then File Exit/Close Don't come back. I really don't give a shit what you think."
That's not very polite.
How am I trolling? I am commenting and being polite. I am just pointing out how uneffective your arguing is.
Out of interest, how do you form your opinions?
"That's not very polite."
If you don't like it then piss off.
"how do you form your opinions?"
Slowly. But if I'm in a hurry I look for whatever position a leftist takes and assume the opposite. That always works because leftists unerringly turn everything to shit.
"But if I'm in a hurry I look for whatever position a leftist takes and assume the opposite. That always works because leftists unerringly turn everything to shit."
That is the problem with the extreme left and the extreme right.
But that neatly ignores the economy that the Bush administration has neatly turned to, as you crudely put it, sh*t.
The US economy was doing just fine until the Democrats took control of congress. But we're talking about leftists' hatred of children, not the US economy.
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