Nonsensical comments, abuse, baiting, ranting and leftist stupidity will not be tolerated.
Actually, Hitler only beacme Chancellor after broking a power-sharing deal with the conservatives.
Strangely, Mussolini did the same.
Perhaps fascism isn't so 'leftist' after all...
If "Fascism" is to be defined along the lines of as personality cult, then surely Christianity, Judaism and Islam are Fascist doctrines.
Christianity has its Jesus, Islam, Mohammed and Judaism the Jews.
Fascism is Socialism combined with Nationalism, as opposed to the Bolschevik model, which was meant to be International in scope and eschew nationalism. That's the only difference.
The "Putin Youth" is a popular youth movement in Russia these days. The members get handy tips like "take your mobile phone to the election booth and photograph yourself voting for Putin. Email it to the committee. It will help with your college admission". Then there are the "fertility days...".
"Hitler only beacme Chancellor after broking a power-sharing deal with the conservatives"
And then he became dictator. As did Mussolini.
Then a more appropriate label for the Globalist Jihadi is the "Islamo-Bolshevist".
Actually, Hitler only beacme Chancellor after broking a power-sharing deal with the conservatives.
Strangely, Mussolini did the same.
Perhaps fascism isn't so 'leftist' after all...
What a piss poor line of reasoning. That means the USSR wasn't leftist because from 23rd of August 1939 until 22 June 1941 the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect.
You sir are a moron.
I think you right-wingers are going through some serious identity crisis. You don't know whether you are Arthur or Martha.
Hitler was a leftist
Putin is a Fascist
Obama is like Hitler
Everything bad is left.
You are in total denial Mr Ray.
As for Elijah, can't you go one comment without insulting someone. It just takes the wind out of what could be a good argument and it makes you look like you live in a trailer park with the abuse you hurl.
I'm no fan of Obama, and his policy positions are uniformly Statist and Utopian, but comparing his speeches to Hitler's is a stretch. If you've ever watched a full recording of Hitler's speeches, you'll note they were proceeded by an hour or more of massed drums, marching, syncronized banner waving and mass chants. By the time Hitler opened his mouth he could have counted to five on his fingers and the cheering would have been just as enthusiastic. As a disciple of mass psychology Obama is a elementry school student compared to Hitler's Ph.D.
JR's point is not that "Obama is Hitler", but that, taking everything into account, there is far more justification for this statement than there ever was to the "Bush is Hitler" position.
David/CA, I don't think its about Obama and a magical personality, nor was it about Hitler and a PhD in mass psychology. It says more about the ordinary people/Democrats of today, and the ordinary Germans of yesteryear.
People (mainly, but not exclusively Democrats) today are looking for something special from government in the way Germans were looking for something special back then. It just takes an opportunist with the right stage presence to take advantage of that desire. It's not a good sign either way.
As for Elijah, can't you go one comment without insulting someone. It just takes the wind out of what could be a good argument and it makes you look like you live in a trailer park with the abuse you hurl
That's because certain trolls here refuse to engage in argument, hence they deserve it.
And if a little name calling puts you off be prepared for a single feeling of perpetual outrage for the rest of your living years.
I'm not sticking up for THR but he was putting forth an argument Elijah. If you think his comment constitutes trolling then maybe you should work out why the hell you are angry enough to abuse people everyday on the internet. Pretty tough I must admit.
The type of name calling that spouts from your keyboard is reminiscent of the playground. But that seems normal around here.
I wonder if this comment will be changed to make me look gay? Very mature?
[Usually if comments are deemed nonsensical and/or trolling, it will result in something you may not expect, including making you look gay. 
But yours were not, so you remain whatever you are.]
BTW, Dr Ray loses his argument for automatically invoking the Nazis.
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"But that seems normal around here."
Then..don't hang around here.
"BTW, Dr Ray loses his argument for automatically invoking the Nazis."
Bullshit. What a childish statement.
In the first place, what makes you think he "automatically" invoked the Nazis?
Secondly, where a comparison is useful to illustrate a point, are you suggesting Nazis shouldn't be mentioned?
Grow up.
Comparing Obama's campaign to Hitler is like comparing chalk and cheese KG. It's just nuts. By Dr John's rationale one could compare any Presidential nominee's campaign to Hitler.
I'm not sticking up for THR but he was putting forth an argument Elijah.
It is trolling. He's put that argument up before, and it's been shown to be false. He's trolling.
Well, perhaps not quite nuts, Ken.
I've been looking pretty closely at this and it seems to me that the Obama campaign is long on emotion and very short on specifics, to put it politely.
I think his strategists are creating a mood and a movement, using the usual media tools very cleverly to build momentum verging on adulation without actually spelling out his position very clearly.
Adolf did very much the same during his early rallies, recognising that it was more important to build the perception of a New Messiah for the German people than to allow his campaign to be bogged down in specifics.
Do I think other candidates employ the same tactics? Yes. And politics is the poorer for that.
What the right has to realise is that the game has changed--it's now a massive marketing exercise where the content matters far less than the packaging.
One could, but JR is making the point that such a comparison is most apposite in the case of Obama.
I hear what you are saying KG. Except Obama is not working up a hate campaign with a scapegoat that has nothing to do with the countries problems.
Do I think other candidates employ the same tactics? Yes. And politics is the poorer for that.
What the right has to realise is that the game has changed--it's now a massive marketing exercise where the content matters far less than the packaging
Sounds quite Chomsky like KG.
Neither did Hitler start off with a hate campaign. It was all very luvvy duvvy in the beginning.
Yeah the Brownshirts were very luvvy duvvy.
Hitler didn't start off with brown shirts, he had to get a following first. That was done with rhetoric.
I wonder what he said to get them so mad?
" Comparing Obama's campaign to Hitler is like comparing chalk and cheese KG. It's just nuts. By Dr John's rationale one could compare any Presidential nominee's campaign to Hitler.'
Where's the nuance you Lefties so pride yourself on, Ken?
But you're right - many politicians have modelled their rhetoric on the style of one A. Hitler.
We should reject them accordingly.
BTW: is there a queue of you guys waiting to drop in here or what?
I'm a centralist James. Not a lefty.
"I'm a centralist"
Shit, eh? Now we got a new word to call leftards.
BTW: is there a queue of you guys waiting to drop in here or what?
I'm actually queuing for my meat rations, James. Don't tell me I'm standing in the wrong line!
Sorry I'm not a Nazi ar or else I could have long chats with Dr Ray about how Nazis are not really the boogymen they are made out to be.
Hitler was a lefty. Ha ha ha ha. Oh the denial.
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I'm queuing up for my shots Ant so i guess I'm in the wrong line too.
Rather a fun discussion
Fuck off, centralists! You're worse than the fucking Greenies.
The more I learn about Obama, the more parallels I see between him and Adolf Hitler.
Unbelievable? I think not!
Like Hitler Obama is a racist for the same basic reason Hitler was a racist — Obama is half white and Hitler was part Jewish.
Hitler’s speeches in the 1920s and early 30’s were of the same emotionalist and irrationalist drivel that is today the standard speech of Obama.
By 1932 the Nazi Party of Hitler numbered in the millions and was posed to take over the bureaucracy of the German Republic. The same is true of the Democrat Party today, which like the Nazi Party of Germany in 1932 already has in place a Fifth Column within the Federal Government.
And let us not forget that Hitler was called a “Messiah” by millions of Germans even before he came into power....The same is true of Obama in regards to millions of Americans who call him a “Messiah” and think of him in irrational religious terms.
Speaking of religion -- Obama like Hitler before him is on very good terms with Muslims...allies, in fact, just like old Adolf.
Finally, I would note that today’s America has many ominous parallels with Germany’s Weimar Republic. The office of President in our Republic like the office of Chancellor in the Weimar Republic offers the ambitious man an excellent opportunity to become dictator.
God Save USA!
Damn, Ant! You should have put a warning on that comment! I nearly choked on my caffeine fix LOL!
A very nuanced discussion by Jonah Goldberg, author of "Liberal Fascism", appears in his National Review blog. I was struck by the relevence of this to JR's post. From 'Notes on Obama & Liberal Fascism':
"The messianic nature of Obama's campaign has been noted by many for a long time now. He often sounds like he's reviving the social gospel. There's even a website called "Is Barack Obama the Messiah?"
"Many of the tropes of a political religion/liberal fascism are evident. He exalts unity as it's own reward. His talk of starting new and starting over often sounds like more than merely "turning the page" on the Bush-Clinton years. It sounds a bit like starting at Year Zero.
"As I discuss at length in the book, totalitarianism was for Mussolini a way of uniting businesses, classes, regions, religions, institutions and people from “all walks of life” — in Obama’s words — in a common cause for the common good. These segments of society would band together, like sticks around the fasces. This was a sacred, spiritual, calling. “Fascism,” Il Duce declared time and again, “is a religion.” And the animating dogma of that faith was that if we’re all in it together there’s nothing we can’t do. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state."
The full post is here: http://
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And a follow-up here: http://
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His blog is here:
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Sorry I'm not a Nazi ar or else I could have long chats with Dr Ray about how Nazis are not really the boogymen they are made out to be.
Hitler was a lefty. Ha ha ha ha. Oh the denial.
Haha. Make an argument why Hitler isn't a lefty. Watch it get torn apart by logic and evidence.
National SOCIALIST German Worker's Party = Nazi = Leftist.
The name doesn't mean they were left wing Ronbo.
What does Liberal mean in the USA?
What does Liberal mean here?
Fascism and Nazism were based on a violent brand of anti-communism/socialism, they incited fear of a communist/socialist revolution in order to gain political power, and they aimed to destroy communism/socialism in World War II.
"Fascism and Nazism were based on a violent brand of anti-communism/socialism"
No one hates leftists like other leftists.
Some levels of ignorance approach the vegetative.
Grant, did you ever study any history? Did your government teachers ever mention the U.S.S.R./Germany Non-Agression Pact, negotiated between Hitler and Stalin? Did they ever mention Hitler's statement that the ideology espoused in "Mein Kampf" was based on the work of Karl Marx? The same Karl Marx that Lenin used to construct Communism?
Grant is a classic example of a Leftard in denial. As is well known, Nazi, Fascist, Communist, Socialist are collectivist systems aimed at the subordination of the individual to the State and thus part of the Left.
The Right is were freedom lives and stands for limited constitutional government, capitalism and individual rights.
In the 19th century definition of the word -- Those on the Right are liberals -- Those on the Left in the classic definition of the word are conservatives...reactionaries who stand with the classic tyrannies of the past like "Divine Right Kings."
The Left's political philosophy is based on the Statist collectivist mysticism of Plato as described in THE REPUBLIC. A State ruled by the self appointed elite philosopher kings.
The Right's political philosophy is based on Aristotle's POLITICAL SCIENCE which is based on the liberty of the individual.
To summarize: The RIGHT = freedom, the left = tyranny.
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