Nonsensical comments, abuse, baiting, ranting and leftist stupidity will not be tolerated.
I've seen an interview with one of those charged (Channel 9 - 15.05.06) with his face blanked out. He appeared to have red hair. He spoke in a broad Aussie accent. This sort of speculation is weird paranoia. Even if he was of ME origin, it means buggerall. A particularly gruesome rape/murder occured in this city a while ago. The perpetrators were Anglo-Celtic. Does this mean that all Anglo-Celts are psychopaths? JR, you've got a problem.
The fact they were bailed makes me think they might be the types to die in custody...
JR, your speculation is based on the suburb where the crime occurred and the fact that more than one perpetrator was involved. That's hardly enough to go on.
My guess would be, given that one of the men was charged over child exploitation material, that these pricks are involved in a child porn racket or something.
Also, your use of the word "packs" suggests you are talking about wild animals. Perhaps you mean "groups". All human beings "move in groups", especially young men of any background. Have a look when you go to the shops one day. Of course, you know all this, and your choice of phrasing was quite intentional.
""packs" suggests you are talking about wild animals"
Yeah, JR. Don't insult the gangbangers.
I intend to keep speculating as long as the press is secretive.
It's my antidote to secrecy
Yeah give the gangbangers a chance you meanies.
"I intend to keep speculating as long as the press is secretive. It's my antidote to secrecy"
Can't see a problem with that.
"Can't see a problem with that."
You need specs. If the Post had been headed "Wanna bet the rapists are Muslims/Catholics/Jews/Protestants/Buddhists/
Mormons? " there would be no problem.
"young Muslim males do tend to move in packs"
Or more accurately
"young males do tend to move in packs"
Why attribute a behaviour to only one religious group that is common to all young males?
This gives the lie to your rationale that you are speculating because the media obfuscates.
The police reports, which the journalists use, include a full physical description of the suspects. The media is taking it upon itself to remove that description.
Hence JR is perfectly right to put forward his best speculation, and to keep on doing it until the media grow up.
"You need specs."
You need to take a valium and get some sleep old timer. Get used to the fact that most of us don't think the way you do.
"I intend to keep speculating as long as the press is secretive. It's my antidote to secrecy"
Still can't see a problem with that.
Oddly enough, the news reports differ from the Police Press release.
Main difference appears to be in the ages and suburbs of residence:
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/
New...pe+Brisbane.htm
Apart from that the Police report gives no information beyond that published by the media outlets.
Must be a QLD thing, Grendel, the police reports in NSW include descriptions (which the SMH studiously edit out).
Is there are requirement (by the police) for those details to be edited out?
Yeah, Grendel. It is required by political correctness.
JR, why must you know the ethnicity or religious views of criminals? And if these criminals are all white males, what is the significance?
ar, the post was describing young Muslim men as wild animals, not the "gangbangers" (as you call these rapists).
The men were granted "bail on condition they report to police five days a week and have no contact with the girl." I'm glad that the magistrate didn't put some really absurd requirement on them, like don't rape anyone else! Why would these people be granted bail? The article is silent on that point as well.
But JR is right about the fact that by intentionally hiding the Muslim status of crimminals, the press creates a situation where it will be assumed the crimminals are Muslim if nothing else is said and there is some hint that they might be Muslim, such as the neighborhood that they come from.
" Does this mean that all Anglo-Celts are psychopaths? JR, you've got a problem."
Whenever there is a gruesome murder,a cop rundown or someone knifed or pack raped in the big cities you can bet 5 to 1 that the perp/s will be Muslim or Asian.
And yes it is important that we know the ethnic make of these people,and why shouldn't we? Give me one single reason why we should not know?
Kman - the statistics on:
Gruesome Murder,
Cop Rundown,
Someone Knifed, and;
Pack Raped in a Big City
Are all available.
Care to do some detective work and present the results of an ethnicity comparison here?
Here's a head line for you "Atheists Outnumber Muslims 10:1"
Perhaps grendel would care to do his/her own "detective work" and refute Kman's point?
"Atheists Outnumber Muslims 10:1"
Is there some sort of point you're getting to there, or are we supposed to do the detective work there as well?
"Perhaps grendel would care to do his/her own "detective work" and refute Kman's point?"
Why? its his point and not up to me to prove - or disprove. Its up to him to supply the evidence that supports his assertion. ABS is a good place to start however.
MK - no, no point in particular, just a light-hearted observation on my part to make you feel less threatened (or more threatened if you fear atheists).
"Why? its his point and not up to me to prove - or disprove. Its up to him to supply the evidence that supports his assertion."
Only if he's trying to convince you of his assertion.
"MK - no, no point in particular..."
Ok no problem.
JR, re your "note", the media did not compel you to speculate. All of the news reports on this matter, as brief as they have been, have been drawn directly from the police report mention in this thread. There was no cover up of the alleged perpetrators' ethnic identity: it's just that, unlike you and your readers, the police did not thing it was important.
Er, that's "think", not "thing", in the last line.
Or the police did not have an axe to grind?
The rise of Middle Eastern crime groups in NSW
It was about 1995 to 1996 that the emergence of Middle Eastern crime groups was first observed in New South Wales. Before then they had been largely known for individual acts of anti social behaviour and loose family structures involved in heroin importation and supply as well as motor vehicle theft and conversion. The one crime that did appear organised before this period was insurance fraud, usually motor vehicle accidents and arson. Because these crimes were largely victimless, they were dealt with by insurance companies and police involvement was limited. But from these insurance scams, a generation of young criminals emerged to, become engaged in more sophisticated crimes, such as extortion, armed robbery, organised narcotics importation and supply, gun running, organised factory and warehouse break ins, car theft and conversion on a massive scale including the exporting of stolen luxury vehicles to Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries.
The Lebanese groups were ruthless, extremely violent, and they intimidated not only innocent witnesses, but even the police that attempted to arrest them.
National threat
The Middle Eastern crime groups and their associates number in the thousands, not the hundreds as the government and senior police would have you believe. It is the biggest crime problem we have ever faced, and it is growing.
Hardly a day goes past without some violent crime involving a "male of Middle Eastern appearance", though I see lately that description is watered down now to include "and/or Mediterranean appearance". To an operational policeman, there is a noticeable difference between an Italian and a Lebanese male.(And now they don't give any ethnic discription)
That these groups of males can roam a city and assault, rob and intimidate at will can no longer be denied or excused. You need only to look at Paris and other European countries that have had mass immigration from Middle Eastern countries to see the sort of problems we can expect in years to come. My prediction is that within ten years, Middle Eastern crime groups will spread rapidly across Australia as they seek to expand their enterprises. There will be no go areas in south western Sydney, just like Paris.
I also predict that there will be a dramatic rise in gang shootings as rival gangs compete for turf and business. This will be done with almost complete disregard for police attention, as they are well aware that the New South Wales Police has to be rebuilt from the ground up. We have seen in the past three years the phenomenon of drive-by shootings, Los Angeles style. Not only are the increasing incidents a major cause of concern, but also the use of automatic weapons that spray hundreds of rounds at their targets. This is virtually unprecedented in this country.
http://www.australian-news.com.a.../
Tim_Priest.htm
Detective Tim Priest ...
"I believe that the rise of Middle Eastern organised crime in Sydney will have an impact on society unlike anything we have ever seen."
And the following is the part that will surely make our PC lefty posters here on AWH cheer with approval.
"As was the case in those days, we arrested every adult and teenager who had hampered our search. When it came to court, they were represented by Legal Aid, of course, who claimed that these people were innocent of the minor charges of public disorder and hindering police, because they were recent arrivals from a country where people have an historical hatred towards police, and that they also had poor communications skills and that the police had not executed the warrant in a manner that was acceptable to the Muslim occupants.
The magistrate, well known to police as one who convicted fewer than one in ten offenders brought before him during his term at Burwood local court, threw the matter out, siding with the occupants and condemning the police."
And you wonder why crime is now rampant in our cities? Once there was no more law abiding and cohesive country on the planet than Australia -Now it's just a bunch of sister cities to Beirut.
kman, good point about LA-style shootings. And as for shooting at cops, Ned Kelly will be rolling in his grave.
Sorry, another comment cos I just finished reading all of kman's stuff.
"And you wonder why crime is now rampant in our cities? Once there was no more law abiding and cohesive country on the planet than Australia -Now it's just a bunch of sister cities to Beirut."
kman, which city do you live in? Having lived in Sydney's west for more than a decade I have to say this sounds like a load of crap.
Yes Damian you little PC multiculturist twit -Everything Tim Priest said, and my own experiences of living in Ashfield for years is all crap.We all know that the muslims and asians who live in the western suburbs are all really good little boy scouts and none would hurt a fly.
kman, you were in Ashfield? I lived just up the road in Summer Hill for four years. Did my shopping on Liverpool every Saturday morning, drank at the Ashfield every Thursday and Friday night (ending up at the Croc on bad nights). No robbery, no violence, nothing.
Of course, on another thread ar reckons I would have encountered violence had I run into him in Parra while I was living there. Perhaps the same applies in Ashfield with you.
When i used to live in Sydney a while ago, i heard people on talkback talking about hostilities from the Muslim population, maybe they were all making it up. There were also those gang rapes that were racially motivated. Perhaps in reality you're a really likable character Damian, or you're really big and mean looking.
"Anita Coby", "Janine Balding". research pepetrators, starting with M for Murphy, an old muslim name from County Kerry.
"ar reckons I would have encountered violence had I run into him in Parra"
Damian, I think you mean, "ar jokes I would etc". I put a smiley face on that comment, JIC someone couldn't see that it was a joke.
Anyway, you must've been wandering about in some tofu-induced stupor to have not seen any violence in Parramatta. Maybe it didn't happen to you personally but it's everywhere.
Yeah, epicene, a good name for the aborigines of County Kerry.
What about the murderers of nurse Sandra Hoare, epicene? What have they been up to in prison?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/
Na...7180455182.html
"Several Aboriginal inmates in the Super Max unit, including rapist Dudley Aslett and murderers Vester Fernando and Ronald Priestley, are converts to Islam."
Gee, now ain't that a thing!
Oh but they just don't understand the true meaning of jihad AR. Just wish that condescending asshole would go over and teach them instead of screaming at us to shut up and flinging his feces about.
ar, I guess our differing perceptions of Parra demonstrate that relying on personal experiences about living in a particular suburb is a less useful way of assessing whether crime is "rampant" than consulting actual data.
You're right, ar. I knew you were joking, and my response wasn't exactly serious, either. I didn't mean to imply here that you were making threats.
(You know, I do recall a couple of encounters with violent crime - a shooting not far from my place one night, blues at the pub, a shop broken into - but no more than anywhere else I've lived and certainly not a crime wave. What I remember most is the string of Indian places in Harris Park where I used to stock up on the world's best samosas. And the ugly carpet at the Commercial, where I used to have beers and play pool after work.)
Data good, perception bad.
Not that perception does not have value, just not in a quantitative sense.
So you would rather rely on statistics than the evidence of your own eyes? That's leftists for you.
The Commercial has been done up, but they must've had a lot of that carpet left over. Violence and crime in general is expected to drop after pubs in Parramatta barred gang members and all colour-wearing bikies following a shoot out at the Royal Oak. Now tell me that profiling is bad.
Observation is data - with your own eyes. But observing an event does not make it a trend - just an event. Observing a series of events is indication of a local trend.
To determine if there is a problem requires more than selecting a series of events - it requires the collection, collation and analysis of this information to provide a broader picture of what is occurring. At the same time this needs to be informed by contact with perpetrators and victims to determine motive. This is particularly important when attempting to distinguish between (for example) racially motivated violence, and money related violence (such as violent robbery).
So let me get this straight.You are saying that the western suburbs are free of Muslim crime even after reading (I presume) the article from Detective Tim Priest.
Take a look at today's papers and I bet the stabbings of all those people at the 2 weddings were either by Muslims or Asians. The shootout with the cops that tied traffic up for hours I bet was done by Muslims.
As for Summer Hill -I lived in As field at time when we never ever bothered to lock our doors or windows and I never heard of a single person being shot or stabbed.That's before Muslim / Asian immigrants moved to the suburbs.That's before multiculturism poisoned our almost violence free, cohesive society.
Wanna try leaving your doors unlocked now?
To say that there is no violent crime in the Western Suburbs is just so moronic that it's not worthwhile of further response.
OK. . . trying to see how my comments could possibly be extrapolated to me thinking the Western Suburbs of Sydney is:
A) Free of crime, and/or:
B) Free of crime involving Muslims or persons of other religions also from the Middle East.
I think perhaps my comments were of a more abstract nature regarding the proper purpose of short-term observational data as opposed to a more comprehensive research approach.
For example if you see to men in the middle of a plain battling each other with swords, how can you tell if they are engaged in:
Duelling, Fighting a (very small) war,
one is a bandit attempting to rob a traveller, or Training?
From the observation alone you cannot tell - you must get further information.
My whole comment was aimed at this erroneous statement "So you would rather rely on statistics than the evidence of your own eyes? That's leftists for you."
And most erroneous of all was calling me a leftist - I just like accuracy.
"For example if you see to men in the middle of a plain battling each other with swords, how can you tell if they are engaged in:
Duelling, Fighting a (very small) war,
one is a bandit attempting to rob a traveller, or Training?"
Where the fuck do you live?
Going with your unlikely situation, that's what your eyes are for. If it was a duel, you'd see seconds. If it was a small war, they'd probably be in uniform. And if it was a robbery, one would look middle eastern. Simple.
You've no sense of humour at all have you AR?
That was being funny? Maybe you're right - I don't have a sense of humour. It's like watching Hey Dad! I knew when the funny bits were, but I just couldn't laugh at them.
"And if it was a robbery, one would look middle eastern. Simple."
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