You don't understand. It is simply impossible for Dems be bias or intolerant. My God, if you're a bleeding heart liberal you cannot commit such an act. It just never happens...period!
This is just like every other program supported or pushed by the left - NIMBY
This is a funny story, mostly because of the San Francisco angle. But they aren't really neighbors. San Fran is on a peninsula, and is very separated from these east bay neighborhoods, which include places like Oakland.
But seriously, this sucks for the people who lived in these neighborhoods before the section 8 crew moved in. This sort of thing has been happening before and will happen again. Ask Dallas how they felt about some of their more "incorrigible" Katrina refugees.
Try putting yourself in their shoes. How would you feel if suddenly you had a big group of Amanda Marracote's or Feministing's commenters hanging around here, generally fucking the place up? And then, to add insult to injury, what if you discovered that the haloscan comments server was actually subsidizing these new commenters, by helping with their internet monthly fees, as long as they hung around your place?
Just sayin'....
I live in the city the article is talking about. The comment from the person who is suing the city "They don't want US here" is false. Crime has risen dramaticly, the kids hang out at a local theater and shopping center to sell drugs and harass people. Drive by shootings, prostitutes, and gangs are here now. It's not tolerance, it madness to accept this activity just because people are black.
Of course, it is still amusing to call "Dave" a RACIST!!!
Admit it Dave, you just hate black people.
Just kidding dude. It sucks for you. So ditch your liberal mind set and join the right. Vote the conservative ticket.
Dave, are you a Green Party voter, or a Democrat voter? Just wondering, cuz I don't think you have much of a conservative party choice over there. So just vote the lesser of two evils.
A lot of us over here felt that way when we voted McCain vs Obama.
A perfect illustration of the hypocrisy of liberal idealism. Bay Area Liberal Idealists are very good at solving the world's problems from their comfy armchairs in front of their plasma screen TVs. The Bay Area Liberal Idealist is more than happy to make the annual pilgrimage to the Hood to work at the Food Bank or hand out Thanksgiving dinners to the homeless. The Bay Area Liberal Idealist then pats herself on the back and congratulates herself on her compassion. The Bay Area Liberal Idealist trips over himself trying to get to the polls to vote for Obama and prove that he is enlightened and not a racist.
All is well and good with the world just so long as the crime and the social problems stay in Hunters Point or stay in Oakland. But when the liberal idealist social experimenters decide to give people in the Hood a better chance at a quality life by moving them into the nice middle class neighborhoods, the Bay Area Liberal Idealist squeals like a stuck pig.
Unfortunately, this is when the virus that is the Bay Area Idealist packs up, moves out, and infects other parts of the Nation with their liberal idiocy.
Here is an excellent article on Memphis, TN and how one police chief managed to put the pieces together and drew a correlation between Section 8 housing and crime and how he was able to predict where crime would surge in his area based on the data.
I was born and lived in the SF Bay Area for 35 years. You will not find more selfish people in the country with the exception of possibly Manhattan.
They might even be more selfish than anywhere else in the world.
I'm not kidding. It is insane.
Greetings:
I came to the SF Bay area back in the mid-'80s and Pittsburg didn't have a good reputation even back then. A guy that worked with me bought a house and moved his family there. His house was broken into twice. I can't help but think, "What part of 'Pitts'-burg don't you understand.
I just hope the Negros aren't picking up some "lawfare" tricks from our Muslim tormentors.
The article is about the city of Antioch which is an hour away from San Fran, I don't know why they call it a suburb of San fran, it is nothing of the sort. Hell it's not even in the San Fransisco bay area, it is inland, almost half way between San fran and Sacramento, it is in the delta region.
But the article has a good point, anyone who knows the area just has to look at the neighboring city of Pittsburgh and you can see what happens when low income housing takes over. In fact the Article states people were leaving Pittsburgh to get away from the blight.
With all do respect Antioch is not nearly as liberal as it's neighbors to the west (Berkley, Oakland and San Fran).
I have Family up there and I have seen the blight creeping in for the last 15 years, I don't blame the residents for getting protective of their town. It has nothing to do with race, because trust me I have seen what can be safely called "White trash" destroy once nice quiet neighborhoods in that area.
I wouldn't call Antioch a suburb of San Francisco, actually. It's a nice delta town, or was. I had no idea this was going on there, but I'm not surprised.
Section 8 has done the exact same thing to many neighborhoods in Elk Grove--just south of Sacramento and not too far from Antioch--including the one where I teach. The student population is nothing at all like it was when I first started working there 15 years ago, and I don't mean that in a good way.
Just a Grunt: Thanks for the link. Just read the article. Interesting and disturbing.
Sometime within the last 18 months, there was an editorial published in one of the San Francisco papers (i think) lamenting how the extraordinary cost of living precluded black people from living in the city.
Oh the White Folks hate the Black Folks
And the Black Folks hate the White Folks
To hate all but the Right Folks
Is an old established rule
But during
National Brotherhood Week!
National Brotherhood Week!
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke
Are dancing cheek to cheek
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise
It only lasts a week, so have no fear -
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!
- Tom Lehrer
See this.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nat...an-
blacks_N.htm
I agree with some of the other commentators above. Antioch is WAY inland from San Francisco. I don't have an election map, but there's no reason to suppose it's particularly liberal--those far suburbs usually aren't. For example, the towns in southern New Hampshire aren't particularly liberal, though they are an hour from Boston, and the towns in Rockland County, NY aren't particuarly liberal.
This is not about section 8 housing this is about the hypocrisy of liberals. Black folks didn't walk in lock step with the elites for prop 8 and now they are being demonized. There are only 2 pillars that the liberals care about gay rights and abortion, that's it. Minorities better wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. Hispanics are next because they didn't vote for prop8 either.
I'm sure the opportunity to express some healthy schadenfreude at San Fran leftists is irresistable, but it sounds like you've missed the mark on this story. First, it's not Berkeley, Oakland or SF, and by all accounts, it's not the lib-nitwit haven that is being suggested.
But also, the story as written certainly doesn't paint a picture of racial intolerance, but of law and order clashing with a scummy and criminal underclass and their detritus. I don't care if they are all a bunch of Obama supporting limousine liberals or not, they have the right to police their community, no matter the race of the criminals.
Hypocrisy is not the crime that liberals would suggest, and the sooner we all agree on that, the sooner we can improve life here.
Just a Grunt, the Atlantic piece is excellent - I remember reading it in August when someone (Instapundit?) linked it. Anyone who has studied psychology knows you cannot move dysfunctionality to another location and be rid of it. There are dysfunctional and cultural issues at play that no amount of federal monies or relocation programs can eradicate. They are not exclusive to a race but they are extremely common at a class and income level, and they relate to mental and familial stability, and the intersection of gang activity/criminality/drugs/mental illness/family violence/low education/below average intelligence. There is no cure. No sane person wants to share a neighborhood with this. The Atlantic piece did a much better and more in-depth examination of the forces at play and those studying them than this article did. It is very disturbing because the very liberals who idealistically instituted these Section 8 changes discovered and verified they don't work.
Some of us knew it all along.
I hope things like this will get the African American community and other true minorities to rethink their support for the Democrat Party. Particularly over the issue of gay rights. I think gay rights is an assault on true Civil Rights and diminishes what it means to be a member of a racial minority. As a father of an Asian-American little girl, I reject the idea that someone's sexuality is equal to her biological heritage.
I think it’s a bummer all the way around. Even I (a conservative) had hoped that ditching the 'housing project' concept would helped the poor and lowered crime (of which, they’re are most often the victims)... but it didn't. It's just spread it out. Too many underclass people are moving in next to each other and simply continuing old habits… rather than picking up middle class habits..
The next step, or thing to try, would be scattering section 8 housing vouchers and/or telling people where they can live so as to spread them out. I'm not sure lefties could stomach it.. they (by and large) can't even concede the last step has failed (hence the clichéd racism charges every here is throwing to mock them... which are funny because they do reflect the lefty mindset of name throwing over rational policy making)...
I agree with the commenters above. Anyone who thinks that Antioch is a bastion of Bay Area liberalism knows next to nothing about the demographics of the Bay Area.
Hint: >50% of San Francisco by area is populated by non-ultra-liberals. Look at a voting map.. all the kooks live in about three super high density neighborhoods.
=darwin
"Black folks didn't walk in lock step with the elites for prop 8 and now they are being demonized."
Can you blame gays for punishing blacks? The ignorant and hateful deserve to be unwanted and despised.
hating hate | 12.31.08 - 2:44 pm | #
"Can you blame gays for punishing blacks? The ignorant and hateful deserve to be unwanted and despised."
Which is why your hated. 
Di*k.
All SF needs to do to deal with an influx of low-income blacks is to import Mexican gang-bangers. As we've found in LA, the Mexicans will then cheerfully start killing blacks only in drive-by shootings, sometimes totally several per day.
NOte that it's important to have a Chief of Police who declares there is no genocide going on and who is capable of steadfastly ignoring brown on black death statistics.
Then, when SF has lowered its black population sufficiently, it can start rounding up and deporting the Mexican gangsta's. Unless, of course, San Francisco values them for the cultural heritage they bring to the city's ethnic mix.
Hey JammieWearingFool, you smeared major boo-boo all over your face with this one. Just because some MSM scribbler pasted the name "San Francisco Bay Area" on the article you ripped and read doesn't mean any of the notoriously hyper-leftists of the city of San Francisco are involved.
Stone K, Bob's Kid, y81, Jerome, and even Darwin can set you straight on the truth of the matter.
Your error, J.W. Fool, reminds me of the Europeans (and too many of America's Least Coast dwellers) I've met who think California is nothing but San Francisco and Los Angeles 'cause that's all they've seen on TV and in the movies. Heh heh. Next time before you pull the trigger on comments about someplace in America's third largest state, remember that Mapquest can be your friend.
Instead of making fun of them, you should support them. Whether you are conservative or liberal, black or white, nobody likes living around these hip hop thugs. Especially when they're blarring their "music" at 3AM in the morning. They just don't understand that people have jobs that require them to walk up at 6AM.
I'm gathering from the article and the comments that the problem is more title 8 folks that happen to be largely black as opposed to black folks that are home owning job holding good neighbor types. Generally speaking title 8 folks aren't the type of contributors most people want in their neighborhood. There seems to be an increased problem in the "black underclass" with violence and social pathology but I tend to attribute that to the marvelous effects of multi-generational social dependency. There was a good study on projects in Scotland and socila pathology a few years back that's illustrative. On a side note while I was in grad school at Baylor I had an office mate that had grown up in East Waco which was the black area. He took me over to meet his gradmother who was in her 80's with a beautiful little house well kept and maintained. They had put a project across the street and had caused her nothing but grief. She carried a large caliber wheel gun in her apron and was not shigh about threatening to "bust a cap on those shiftless N's" when provoked. Obviously not race just behavior.
Um, I guessed you missed the part where I note 'San Francisco-area neghborhoods'.
By thanks for stopping by and have a wonderful New Year.
Did anyone else notice this:
"Black flight can alter a city's character. 'It's important for a city's future that it be a diverse place, and San Francisco is drifting toward being an upper-middle-class city,'"
Wait so ... the black population is there to be the lower income class? Because a city just isn't a city unless there are some poor, and that's the role of black people in San Francisco?
Am I misreading that somehow?
I'm writing this from San Francisco. Antioch is in the far east bay, and is probably not anywhere near as leftist as the San Francisco/Berkeley/Oakland triangle. From what I know of it, its a housing boom town which was once upon a time a blue collar (and fairly conservative) haven. I feel bad for the people who live over there and had this happen them. "Luckily" SF is so expensive that its difficult for your typical thugs of the sort described in the article to afford to live here, except perhaps in Bayview. Or maybe in the Mission, which is a mix of working class Mexicans and white hipster doofuses.
Why is there Section 8 housing to begin with?
Public housing is looked upon as if all the problems were natural disasters and acts of God, rather than the results of incompetence and neglect by public officials. Having people "escape" the "projects" through Section 8 vouchers as if they were escaping from N. Korea is totally insane.
As others have commented, Antioch is a long way from SF, though I supposed it could be called a suburb in the sprawling Bay Area sense. I don't think it shares the same crazy politics as SF.
The problem is not color, it is behavior. In my old neighborhood, in a town similar to Antioch, we had a couple Section 8 houses. One was occupied by a decent family who indeed wanted a better life. The other was occupied by thugs who invited their thug friends to come party. They trashed the neighborhood pool, spoke with foul mouths and threatened the residents who actually paid their way to be there.
Fu$# you Nancy Gee and your remarks. It seems to me that white people really do think they are better than everyone else, but your not. Why do white kids stink? Why do white people's house smell also? Why do white girls love black you know what. Why do white boys catch yellow fever? It's obvious your kids don't like your racial crap and don't believe your thoughts and actions are cool, that's why they are trying to be black haha. I can't wait until 2040 when whites are the minority and hate in this country will come down. Serve's you right.
I wrote a dkos diary on this... didn't get the reaction I was expecting from a Dem/Liberal/Progressive crowd (not that I got much of a reaction at all).
It's an interesting dynamic... liberal tolerance meets economic reality and, well, pit bulls and loud music don't cha know.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...7206/651/
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Chris | 12.31.08 - 3:57 pm | #
You're obviously sarcastically challenged, jerk.
Even when Whites are not the majority, Black thugs will continue to be Black thugs - and therefore a problem.
It is also amusing that you think hate will "come down". From my experience, Blacks give Latinos more shit than Whites do. That's why LA now has genocide.
Perhaps we should just end the speculation about whether Antioch, CA is a Lib city.
It is located in Contra Costa County and use the link to check out how they voted in the last election.
Probably not quite as Lib as SF but, I think you can definetely say as you look down the list of politicians they overwhelmingly voted for, that they are very Lib indeed.
http://results.enr.clarityelecti...en/
summary.html
sorry here's the link
Antioch is located 40 miles northeast of SF, in eastern Contra Costa County, with a population of just over 100,000. Contra Costa is one of the 9 counties that make up the "Bay Area". Eastern Contra Costa has experienced a great deal of growth prior to the collapse of the housing market. It now has some the highest foreclosure rates in the Bay Area.
The latest population estimates from 2007 show:
47.3 White
29.2 Hispanic
16.2 Black
Party affiliation
54.7 Democrat
44.5 Republican
Well, this post is a perfect demonstration of political bigotry, just in the opposite direction than was intended. As others have noted, Antioch has little cultural or political relation to San Francisco. It's sort of like describing a small farming town 40 miles away from Texas' capital as "a suburb of liberal Austin".
In the last election, a majority of San Franciscans voted to reinstate ROTC in high school, over the protests of our relatively small number of far left wacko lobbyists. Cities are politically complicated, stop trying to analyze them with ignorant anecdotes.
It's hardly news.
1) People from the "black culture" are typically (surprise!) black.
2) People from the "black culture" like to play loud rap music. It doesn't matter to them whether:
a) they're disturbing their neighbors and the other apartment tenants.
b) it's 2 AM and everybody's trying to get some sleep.
c) the language isn't appropriate for children and they get complaints form the parents (whom they blow off and even threaten at times).
I have seen this happen in plenty of suburban neighborhoods in NY and California over the past 2 decades. And before somebody claims it's "racist", the fact remains that the SELF-identified "black culture" is inherently racist, mysoginystic, vulgar and just plain rude.
Nobody denies it; they can only "change the subject" and deflect from the fact that decent people (no matter what "color") flee from it.
This isn't necessarily a story about "black flight". It's actually a story about (as usual) "White [and Asian] flight".
If the police don't control the violent crime and disruptive conduct (like drugs and disturbing the peace), those suburbs are going to experience a deeper economic drop FAR worse than what the current economic climate brought.
Nobody wants to live in an area dominated by "black culture" if they can help it. Not IBM, not Microsoft, not even your local plumber. Anyone who CAN move out of that climate, WILL. That is what the SF administrators and the police want to avoid. Reality, in the end, always trumps PC.
The San Francisco marketing squad really got through to the right wing knuckle heads here.
San Francisco makes up just less than 10% of the SAN JOSE BAY AREA. They are not even the most important city in "their" metropolitan area. It's not even "their" metro area. They are a part of some other city's metro area. It hasn't been the "San Francisco Bay Area" for 5 years, and San Francisco hasn't been the biggest city in its "own" metro area for almost 20 years (since 1990).
Hey, conservatives, times change. I know it's scary.
Catch up !
This is like complaining about liberal Santa Monica for it's wayward politics, and ignoring Los Angeles.
That said, Antioch is a lot closer to Sacramento than San Francisco. This article wouldn't be grist for the right wing mill if it were about Sacto or any other conservative central valley city, which Antioch is.
It's strange isn't it ? Both Liberals and Conservatives like law-and-order in their own neighborhoods.
Speaking of the San Francisco Black Exodus... what do you expect ? *Everyone* is fleeing SF... except wealthy people.
The number of people making over 150k has increased 40% in the last few years, crowding out pretty much everyone with a brain. Keep in mind that 1800 sq ft houses cost nearly $2 million... with no yard and bad and dangerous schools. If you can afford that house, plus private schools, plus a nanny to watch your kids while you drive back and forth to your high paying (Google) job in Silicon Valley, then you are welcome in San Francisco. Everyone else can go ... elsewhere.
Black people aren't the only ones fleeing San Francisco. San Francisco has no middle class AT ALL (which Mayor Gavin Newsom is ALSO worried about). It has fewer children than any other city in the U.S. If you have kids, and the money to leave, then you leave San Francisco. The very poor are stuck there, and the very rich (Google money mostly) don't care how much it costs.
The black people who are leaving are leaving a crappy part of a crappy city to move up in the world, a better world for their kids and themselves. Only in San Francisco would this be considered a problem.
While I understand and agree with the gist of this article, it's a pretty big stretch to blame this on SF liberals.
Like many have stated, Antioch is NOT San Francisco anymore than Richmond, VA is like Wash DC. Antioch is a traditionally conservative area about an hours drive from the city in a region that only recently elected a Democrat to the House.
The problem is that Antioch was on the leading edge of the housing bubble, with houses being extremely over-valued. Housing prices have plummeted, and since there are no buyers, owners have been turning their houses into section 8 housing.
Subsequently crime has sky-rocketed, and truly despicable violent crime - the kind you NEVER read about here - is now common place.
It is not that blacks are moving in... it is that welfare-sucking gangsters and their families have used the situation to branch out into new areas to destroy.
Learn more about Antioch people because it's probably coming to your town soon!
Oh, and BTW, I am an EX-liberal. I saw the light 6 years ago and have been a Republican ever since. A lot of good it does living in SF!
The messages are fairly simple to describe the characters of the cities:
San Francisco: I'm gay, white, hip, urban, liberal and rich. Blacks not welcome. Hispanics work for me. Asians massage my back.
Antioch: We were a nice little, law-n-order, conservative, middle-class town until the San Francisco rejects came here and ruined it all. Thanks, San Francisco!
When thugs moved to a Bosnian area of St Louis, they were suprised when the victims didn't turn over their cash. Instead they kicked the crap out of the suprised thug. More Bosnians, that's what I say.
They deserve what they voted for!!!!jijijijijiji.......
Interesting article. I can't say I know anything about that area, but it amazes me why if it is so bad in a particular area, people stay. I also like how people in the South are always accused of being so racist, and whatnot, but I live outside of ATL, in a nice suburb, gated community. There's about 70 houses in my neighborhood, we have black people, brown, yellow, etc.,etc. Probably 20 of the 70 houses belong to people of color. Here a disturbance is when your lawn service blows your clippings in the storm drains, or the wind blows your garbage can over, or the very worst, if someone's car alarm or house alarm accidentally goes off. Everyone is very civil, very nice. So, it is not the mixing of "colors" it is the mixing of lifestyles. Mixing people who have with those who have not a lot.
Hey now I too have to jump on the bandwagon of making something very clear about the shaded attack upon the police here. The cops are doing their job, and they need to be supported.
What appears to be a reverse switch about how suddenly the liberal mostly gay community of San Francisco is causing this supposedly African American exodus needs to be scrutinized somewhat more extensively.
I see it as a veiled attack upon the police published in a liberal newspaper and picked up by the conservative press mistakenly as an opportunity to attack the liberal hypocracy.
Here's how I see it through my own personal experience in a similiar situation.
I live in Rednecklandia, Nevada after experiencing a business failure and moving for reason of instant opportunity, (work,cheap rent,cheap wages,cheap car registration, etc. to piece my life back together).
I resided in a small mostly white community pre housing boom bust. Many newcomers to the area were coming up from L.A. to escape the inner city spread to suburbia ghettoland surrounding Los Angeles, so they fled to of all places Rednecklandia.
Now here is where the most true of all expressions comes into play. "You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid". Suddenly our little community was faced with gangs, ghetto talk, drugs, theft, knifings, and other inner city type crime and mayhem. And why? For some dumb reason does anyone in their right mind not know why?. If a zebra changed its stripes it is still a zebra. What San Francisco has been subjected to is geographic shift of the same ghetto mentality that ALWAYS causes neighborhoods to decline. You have ghetto kids with poorly educated parents a dogmatic and antisocial mentality. As I learned in AA many many years ago, a geographic switch don't change the mind set only the location of the body. In many ways allowing an area or forcing it to accept Sec8 housing types is like giving them the keys to the city and saying have at it. Even here in Rednecklandia the local "good ole boys " were not ready for what landed. They had no gang task force,the junvinile courts didn't have any permanent administrators or judges either. But it seems that parents who stuffed their kids in the local schools thought "jus cuz" they had moved into the house next to Jim Bob, that their herd of kids were gonna learn how to conform to local rules, when in fact things even for Jim Bob's kids got worse, they began to buy drugs from the new ghetto neighbor boys. People don't change so awful quick for the better without more of a learning curve than just a new way home to their dwelling. If San Francisco wants to save itself from what it has been experiencing it needs to unify its neighborhood watch program and of all things support its local cops and defend them from left liberal attacks shielded through racial innuendo's.No matter what color you are crime and violance is crime and violance. The gay neighborhoods and other liv
So I guess diversity isn't good for everybody after all?
Sorry but you really blew it on this one. Being in Antioch is not the same as being in San Francisco. While we are but 50 miles from the city we are not the same culture or "liberal enclave". Our problems have ensued because of the liberal policy of taking money from one group of people and giving it to another and then moving them from the liberal cities to the suburbs under the extreme misguided idea that liberals have that given a new environment people will change. Wrong! They are bringing the behavior with them. When the neighbors finally get fed up with the bad behavior and call the cops, we hear the cries of racism. And it's happening all over the country: Lancaster, CA; Mastic Beach, NY; Memphis, TN; Dallas, TX and more.
Your comment "We'd have endless media accounts about rampant racism, hate-mongering and holier-than-thou lectures on the joys of tolerance and diversity" is EXACTLY what's happening and your posting falls right into the liberal media hands. THEY are trying to make it about race not about behavior. Get your facts straight before you post!
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