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Mm, yes, much worse than Cheney specifically telling the CIA to withhold information for eight years.
Politics sucks. No one gets out unscathed. In other news, water is wet.
And very misleading post all around, NDT. The action here comes from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), not the Obama administration, unless you're talking about the letter sent by Obama's general council Robert F. Bauer...in May of 2008...about an ad the NRA was running...which was utterly unrelated to current health care reform.
Nice informational shell game, though. What's the matter? Don't want to be like everyone else and complain about Obama's new statement on how the stimulus package will work later this year?
It also looks like the criticism by the SEIU is valid. In the Media Matters article linked to in the article linked in your post, numerous conflicts of interest involved in CPR's "experts" were documented as well as CPR's track record of flat out lying about things. What the letter to NBC indicates is that, unlike a candidate for government, T.V. stations are responsible for the content that airs on them. If that content is found to be erroneous, misleading or violates the law, then they are also to be held responsible.
Not as great a sound byte as, "Obama shuts down all those who disagree with him" paranoia, but more fact based...
A peculiar thing about that "program", QJ:
Intelligence and congressional officials told the newspaper the agency began the program after the September 11 attacks and said it never became operational and did not involve CIA interrogation programs or domestic intelligence activities.
How exactly we're supposed to get upset over a "program", again, which nobody knows what it was, which never became operational, is beyond me.
Not to mention this:
U.S. law requires the president to make sure intelligence committees are kept fully informed of intelligence activities, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.
But the government has some leeway in disclosing such information.
The action here comes from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), not the Obama administration
Potato, potahto.
In the Media Matters article linked to in the article linked in your post, numerous conflicts of interest involved in CPR's "experts" were documented as well as CPR's track record of flat out lying about things.
First, you'll notice that the thrust of the article from Reason was to document how this was typical of Media Matters and the SEIU to mount smear campaigns against anyone who challenged their leftist dogmas.
Second, I am amused at Media Matters and their attempt to prop up the completely-untrustworthy SEIU by attacking others -- also a topic that Media Matters inexplicably refuses to cover.
How exactly we're supposed to get upset over a "program", again, which nobody knows what it was, which never became operational, is beyond me.
Well, here, allow me to put it back in front of you, then. The issue is not the nature of the program or even if the program ever went live. The issue is that the Vice President of the United States of America has been found out to have deliberately instructed information to be held.
Torture the focus whichever way you like.
"But the government has some leeway in disclosing such information."
And? "Some leeway" does not necessarily translate to "absolute discretion to break the law". See, NDT, this is why we have these things called "investigations" to determine if a law was actually broken. To accept that this is a smoking gun is just as irresponsible as to dismiss the possibility out of hand.
"Potato, potahto."
Um, no, unless you're willing to admit that Operation Rescue is responsible for the death of George Tiller. Or perhaps that Conservatives for Patient's Rights is untrustworthy due to the involvement of Richard L. Scott, the former CEO of Columbia/HCA who was removed by the board of directors in 1997 as he was at the center of the nation's largest health care fraud scandal. A man who bilked the government out of billions by basically reducing patients to numbers in HMOs while he made a tidy profit now is the spokesperson for and funding an organization about patient's rights"? The irony is so delicious it simply MUST be fattening.
First, you'll notice that the thrust of the article from Reason was to document how this was typical of Media Matters and the SEIU to mount smear campaigns legal challenges against anyone who challenged their leftist dogmas was patently spreading false information in violation of federal regulations."
Fixed that for you.
Fact is, Scott's "docu-faux-mercial" (copyright, I COPYRIGHTED THAT, THAT'S MINE, KEEP YOUR GRUBBY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY STEALING HANDS OFF!) was plagued with inaccuracies, half-truths and flat out lies. This mish-mash of nonsense is subject to the insane FCC regulations that came into effect and protected us all from The Evil Of Janet Jackson's Right Nipple. It's a law, NDT, and they're just making sure NBC is aware of it. Are you suggesting that they violate the law? Why do you hate America so much?
Second, I am amused at Media Matters and their attempt to prop up the completely-untrustworthy SEIU by attacking others -- also a topic that Media Matters inexplicably refuses to cover.
And I'm amused that, in the same post you criticize investigating Cheney you say this. Nice.
See, NDT, this is why we have these things called "investigations" to determine if a law was actually broken.
That makes an interesting contrast with this statement.
The issue is that the Vice President of the United States of America has been found out to have deliberately instructed information to be held.
How can Cheney have been "found out" if an investigation has not yet been held?
You made the accusation, and now you're demanding an investigation to prove that your accusation was correct.
You've got them exactly backwards. First you investigate, and THEN you make accusations once you have the proof to back them up.
What you're doing now is a witch hunt; you're accusing Cheney, and now you demand that he be thrown into a pond to see if he floats.
Um, no, unless you're willing to admit that Operation Rescue is responsible for the death of George Tiller.
Kind of hard to do that, given that the person who shot Tiller wasn't even a member or affiliate of it, and his actions were strongly condemned by it.
In contrast, Obama's own political director is a card-carrying member of the SEIU and used to be employed by them. You were finding all sorts of strange linkages with Karl Rove; why not with Patrick Gaspard?
A man who bilked the government out of billions by basically reducing patients to numbers in HMOs while he made a tidy profit now is the spokesperson for and funding an organization about patient's rights"?
Two words: Alcee Hastings.
It's amazing how redemption is so easily granted as long as you are on the liberal side of the aisle.
Fact is, Scott's "docu-faux-mercial" (copyright, I COPYRIGHTED THAT, THAT'S MINE, KEEP YOUR GRUBBY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY STEALING HANDS OFF!) was plagued with inaccuracies, half-truths and flat out lies.
According to Media Matters, they who are still of the belief that the Rathergate documents are legitimate, and the SEIU, who apparently sees nothing wrong with skimming millions of dollars out of dues so that its leaders can buy new bling.
"How can Cheney have been "found out" if an investigation has not yet been held?"
Fair point. I got ahead of myself. So let me offer this correction:
"The issue is that evidence suggesting the Vice President of the United States of America deliberately instructed information to be withheld in contravention of the laws of the United States of America. This evidence must be investigated."
However, the focus does not move to Pelosi or Obama or what Bush did or didn't do. The focus is still on what Cheney may or may not have done. It is irrelevant if the play never went into effect or if Bush signed it or even if Congress actually WAS briefed on the plan. The issue is simply, "Did Cheney instruct the CIA to illegally withhold information from Congress?"
Kind of hard to do that, given that the person who shot Tiller wasn't even a member or affiliate of it, and his actions were strongly condemned by it.
True. Which is exactly why saying the Obama administration is leading this letter-writing campaign is not only far-fetched and unjust, but just plain illogical. I'm glad you agree on these points.
Two words: Alcee Hastings.
One word: Irrelevant.
Either you can have your guilt by association or you can't. If you have it, it applies across the board.
And redemption on the part of Scott isn't the issue as, to my knowledge, he hasn't been seeking it. He's been too busy claiming to advocate for people who are lucky enough to be able to afford some sort of health insurance.
"According to Media Matters, they who are still of the belief that the Rathergate documents are legitimate, and the SEIU, who apparently sees nothing wrong with skimming millions of dollars out of dues so that its leaders can buy new bling."
Um, no, actually, according to a matter of public record. Media Matters may indeed be slanted as all hell, but it is logically fallacious to therefore assume that they must be wrong.
Well, here, allow me to put it back in front of you, then. The issue is not the nature of the program or even if the program ever went live. The issue is that the Vice President of the United States of America has been found out to have deliberately instructed information to be held.
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