This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
4169 and counting - looks like the war on terror is going along as well as the war on drugs.
Hmmm. last night, I came to this site and read an interesting debate taking place in the comments here. It was a debate in which Matt and a few others handed you and the gopher your hats, Jenn. Was it erased?
No one likes to talk about 9/11 anymore
This is the usual fiction. It's all the GOP would like to talk about, of course.
I share your hostility toward muslim extremists but not toward everyday muslims. Everyday muslims are the ones you don't see in the close-up pictures of angry demonstrations and ripshit marches. And they're the vast majority, and they are -- or at least were -- just trying to get by.
Interestingly, Iraq was the one country that, by and large, was relatively free from Muslim extremists. At least until we invaded. And what was there, mainly in the Shiite community, was hog-tied by Saddam. Hell, some of these people probably even saw his infamous "rape-rooms" at Abu Ghraib (ironic, no?), right after the big demonstration in Baghdad. Who knows? Saddam himself may have gotten some tail. I mean, why not?
But my point is that you're a fool and a smarmy opportunist. These angry Muslim demonstrations over the Dutch cartoon were just too fat for you to pass up. You needed to take your stupid, partisan, xenophobic swing at Cindy Sheehan, and, by extension, anyone who disagrees with the Iraq war. You missed. Ingrate.
Regarding muslim extremism, the entire world has the chills, not just you. They knew how counterproductive it was for us to have invaded Iraq in the first place, and they grimace whenever Bush picks up the mike to stoke his oil-addicted hussies into following his failed policies to the ballot box and potential doom.
For an atheist Jenn, you seem to want a crusade pretty bad. You're lucky though, because this president is trying real hard to give you one. All of this causes me to wonder, "Who profits from war the most?" Who would profit from turning the righteously ruthless pursuit and destruction of a terrorist group into an Arab-wide skirmish that produces more radicalism, not less? Then I hear Dylan's "Masters of War," in my head like a chime. OH RIGHT. The military industrial complex and certain politicians -- like Nixon -- who knew they couldn't win a race against a crippled mule without harnessing fear.
Exxon, Halliburton, Raytheon, Blackwater, etc, etc, etc. They're doing okay, right now. It's America that's getting killed.
Daaaaaamn. You got knocked the f*$# out!
Gee Will if you say so, Mad only makes me laugh, and unfortunately, I did not erase the other post of this same article. It just dissapeared. I replied to MattVilla, hit post, and then went off somehwere else, came back to see if he'd replied, and the entire post was gone.
I don't know if it was flagged or what the hell happened, but I saved a copy of it in my e-mail and will repost it every day if it dissapears again.
What's unfortunate, is that yes, we did have a debate going, and now all of those comments are gone, mine included. This makes me very mad.
Oh, and Mad, Will, I certainly didn't feel the heat so to say.Sorry, nothing that was said had me quakin' in my Birkenstocks. But, nice try kids.
The dull repetitive and sad arguments that you bring up are invalid and in my opinion completely baseless.
As for Cindy Sheehan, I wasted enough time showing Matt what a complete psycho nutter and liar she is, I won't waste my time again.
As for the rest, read what I said, yes, I aknowledge a few Muslims that are "Americanized", they aren't the issue.
It's the throngs, thousands upon thousands in the streets of Syria on Saturday, in the common areas of London on Friday, burning consulates and Dutch flags. Over cartoons. Over f-ing cartoons.All over the world, preaching death and hatred, to innocents.
The people of Iraq throwing candy in the air and praising Allah on 9/11, you know, those sweet innocents, you cry for all the time.
The people of Palestine overwhelmingly voting a known terrorist faction into power, the parents of the original suicide bombers. That was a majority Mad, not a minority.
Sorry, it only takes 19 f-ing crazy allah worshipping asshats to ruin a perfectly good Tuesday morning, and take the lives of over 3000 people.
Last night I couldn't remember what the title of this post had been when I reposted it, but now I remember, it was,"When indifference turns to hate."
As an athiest, I have never begrudged anyone their right to celebrate their own religion. Now, I do. I hate true Muslims, I hate them, unapologetically. I hate anyone who holds a sign up mocking the deaths of over 3000 of my countrymen, and threatens, openly the same fate to my sister nations. Then whines about free speach.
As for Haliburton etc. Honestly, who fucking cares, they are American companies, employing American citizens. They generate jobs, security for their employees and do a good job, they are the best at what they do, have you ever bothered to research these companies, see what they really do. No, probably not, you're just handpuppets of the Soros/Code Pink/Moore conglomerate.
Look to your own, Moore, what companies does he have stock in? The best, including Halliburton. Cash in the bitter chips kids, you're just plain tired.
The dull repetitive and sad arguments that you bring up are invalid and in my opinion completely baseless.
Tell that to the families of the 19,000 American casualties and to the families of the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed or injured in this brilliant war.
Or do you think Cindy Sheehan is the only tormented mother, father, sister, or brother out there?
I'll bet you even think that these soldiers and their families (many, national guardsmen)are just pleased as punch to be going back for their 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th deployment.
I bet you think that as long as Lee Greenwood is crooning, or that Bush keeps talking about "supporting the troops" that its all the motivation these brave heroes need to secure some allah-forsaken desert wasteland in Iraq, and possibly lose their life and their limbs in the process.
War can be the grimmest necessity. And the men and women called to duty to risk their lives in that circumstance are our greatest heroes. But what is a war that is "preemptive," that is unnecessary, and that is based on PHONEY INTELLIGENCE and numerous OFFICIAL FALSE STATEMENTS not to mention erroneous judgments and hysterical assumptions regarding the planning and management of the war?
It's the grimmest shame is what it is. And in that circumstance those soldiers lose their glory, which is their right for the sacrifice they make.
George Bush has taken the heroism away from our soldiers, away from America's defenders, and has supplanted it with the disgust of his and his administration's incompetence and disgrace. He has crowned our great land and our great armed forces with disrepute.
You sicken me, Jenn. And it's not for the fact that you are a self-proclaimed "proud American" as you'd like everyone to believe either. It's that you are a proud, even aggressive, participant in propagandizing for a foreign policy that weakens America and is the shame of America and if continued much longer, could be the undoing of America.
I could go on and on about 9/11. I really don't mind talking about it. What I mind is it being used as a blanket excuse for a wayward, inept, and corrupt foreign policy. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. And when you throw Michael Moore, or Codepink (whatever the fuck that is), in my face, you do it because you want me, and anyone like me, to stop asking questions. What are you thinking? In America, we ask questions!
By the way, Hamas' rise to power in Palestine, as anyone who is not a slobbering neo-con will tell you, is a direct result of the Iraqi war. As nihilism's, excuse me, "freedom's march" continues, we can expect more of the same.
Madhatter, I've never said, once, to not ask questions, it's when you assume the answers to the questions are only as you see them, that I question you.
Once again:
The dull, repetitive and sad arguments that you bring up are invalid and in my opinion completely baseless.
That's all you've got? Madgeneral raises some extremely interesting points there.
I'd go so far as to say the points he makes are the dire consequences that we potentially face for becoming no better than the people who perpetrated 9/11 on us.
Jesus, you want me to hit all of them... I'M HUNG OVER!!!!!! Crap!!!!!! Fine, it will be slow, and do NOT bother correcting the spelling, deal with it.
"Tell that to the families of the 19,000 American casualties and to the families of the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed or injured in this brilliant war.
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Most think that people like you are America hating asshats. I have friends over there, I have friends in the national guard. I KNOW. They are tired as hell of people like you who tell them that they are putting their lives on the line for a lie. WHAT LIE?????? 16 words? That?
The Iraqi people had a choice, for years of resolutions to choose someone else, they could have left, they could have risen up, they could speak out about the violence and deaths of their own people BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE. DAILY!!!! Stop harboring suicide bombing asshats in their homes, and stop rioting and blowing shit up.
Saddam was a major sponsor of terroism, he was a sick f*ck who killed his son in laws, and in many ways makes Hitler look like the Easter Bunny. Saddam had a choice, he was given years to comply, his answer:
"We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth."
Saddam Hussein, Baghdad Radio, February 8, 1991
"Does [America] realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?"
Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994
"Oh sons of Arabs and the Arab Gulf, rebel against the foreigner...Take revenge for your dignity, holy places, security, interests and exalted values."
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999
Yeah, he wasn't a threat at all.
Next....
I'll bet you even think that these soldiers and their families are just pleased as punch to be going back for their 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th deployment.
I bet you think that as long as Lee Greenwood is crooning, or that Bush keeps talking about "supporting the troops" that its all the motivation these brave heroes need to secure some allah-forsaken desert wasteland in Iraq, and possibly lose their life and their limbs in the process.
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Don't place bets you'll lose.
I know, again, many who are happy doing what they do. 3rd, 4th deployments, are hard on them, very, but they believe in what they are doing.
They all knew prior to signing up what the possibilities were, that's the chance you take when you voluntarily sign up for the military.
I actually do support the troops, in many ways, not one of them being a sticker on my car. Nope, no stickers, no flags in my yard, except on the 4th, 9/11,memorial day, and 12/07.
I help them by baby sitting, letting them get free time, running errands for harried moms, writing to them, sending care packages, just being here to listen.
Do you support them? Screw Bush, I couldn't care less about him at this time, this is how I FEEL, not how he tells me to feel.
Call me what you want, but I cry when they sing the national anthem, always have, I actually love my country, do you even know what that feels like?
This one is really fun:
"You sicken me, Jenn.Blah, Blah, Blah..... It's that you are a proud, even aggressive, participant in propagandizing for a foreign policy that weakens America and is the shame of America and if continued much longer, could be the undoing of America."
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Oh, I sicken you, my practicing my right to freedom of speech sickens you. K.
Yes, I am a proud American, I am prouder everyday. Though I get sick when confronted with people such as yourself.Seems we make each other ill.
Tell you what Mad, instead of wasting more time answering this statement, you answer one for me....
Let's take the WTC, just for ease.
The WTC was attacked in 1993, they failed to do much structural damage.
We did nothing about it. Sat back kissing their collective asses and whining.
Then in September of 2001 it was attacked again, and this time, after 8 years of planning, they got it "right".
So, we did nothing the first time, we got attacked again.(Let's not forget the Cole, The embassy bombing etc...) The second time, we decided to do something about it.
What would you have us do?
Now, remember diplomacy DOES NOT WORK.
We weren't in Afganistan in 2001,1993, nor were we in Iraq.
At a funeral for a friend's brother, who was hit by a roadside bomb in Iraq, I shed plenty of tears when the horns played the National Anthem.
Not because of my patriotism; I was crying because I was thinking about all of the corrupt and lying assholes who have taken patriotism away from us and branded it in order to support their agenda.
That's the real travesty.
"I could go on and on about 9/11. I really don't mind talking about it. What I mind is it being used as a blanket excuse......"
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No dipsh*t, I don't use 9/11, I use 9/11 and:
1972 Munich Olympic Massacre Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beirut, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homicidal maniac lived in sad-dams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discourteous Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionary Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Russian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
2003 Ticrit Mosqu
"By the way, Hamas' rise to power in Palestine, as anyone who is not a slobbering neo-con will tell you, is a direct result of the Iraqi war. As nihilism's, excuse me, "freedom's march" continues, we can expect more of the same."
***** Slobbering, Neo-Con, nope, I'm not either, Just me.
No, Hamas' rise to power is the direct result of religion gone wild. In a land full of weak, sheep people, who need direction in a positive way. And for you to excuse it, makes you one sick individual.
Do you not know the meaning of the word nihilism? It means an absolute disbelief in anything. Doesn't apply.
Oh, and Will, it's the asshole liberals out there that have made it a "crime" to love your country, that have taken away patriotism.
Those who make it seem like a bad thing if you have an American flag sticker on your bumper.
Who support the troops, but really, they don't.
I am sorry for your friends brother. Truly sorry from the bottom of my soul (Yes, I do have one contrary to popular opinion). My heart goes out to him and you also.
But my anger goes to the people that planted that roadside bomb.
Saddam was completely contained - we already had a permanent presence in the gulf and we had been enforcing a no-fly zone for years.
I don't think he was any better than any of the murdering dictators that have held power. Worse, in a lot of ways.
An immediate threat - no, especially considering we had been enforcing a no-fly zone in that area for years. If they even tried to flip the switch on a radar site, they got their shit blown up.
Do I think he deserved to go down? Yes. Did we do it right? No.
What he did to Kuwait is essentially what we're doing to Iraq now. I can't get my back behind it.
I love my country, I respect our soldiers for putting their lives on the line for what they believe is right. I don't believe in what the government is making them do.
I love my country, but I fear my government.
Just clarifying, this post was about my personal feelings on the Islamic faith, not our government, and the anger I feel towards these people, and that it stems from the recent anger @ the Dutch: Thought this was interesting:
Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose .
Anon, of course was me.
Matt, "An immediate threat - no", can you please personally go tell that to the families in Israel whose innocent family members were blown up by Saddam paid suicide bombers?
And can you tell me why, if he was completely contained, that he shot at the planes patrolling the no-fly zones?Or why he refused weapons inspectors, lied, cheated and failed to follow through on his agreements with the U.N. security council, why there were over 17 resolutions out there?
Can you tell me why we did find the remnants of WMD, when he said he never had any?
Jenn,
No dipsh*t, I don't use 9/11, I use 9/11 and:
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
So, to use only one of the examples of worldwide terrorism you cite that underpin your fierce determination to even the score with the people of Iraq: The Washington D.C. Sniper, in your mind, has something to do with how America sets its foreign policy objectives? What about the Una-bomber? Jean Benet Ramsey? Let's kick some ass!!!
All humor aside, I ask this question. With you, is it about evening the score for all of these disparate bombings, kidnappings, failed plots, and other acts of terrorism, mostly against U.S. state and military interests abroad? Is it about getting even for the carnage of 9/11?
If so, my question is: ARE WE GETTING THE JOB DONE? I mean, we've slaughtered thousands of insurgents, jihadists, and other assembled pea-shooters, not to mention thousands of innocent bystanders. But -- are we in any way that is apparent, quantifiable, or even conceivable, reaching some kind of positive objective? Or, since the "war on terror" is going to last for Lord knows how many decades, will we just have to wait and see?
It seems to me that this is the question you want to avoid. You avoid it so that you can continue with the implication that to defeat terrorism, even to fight it, is to support this President's agenda. You want us to forget that it is this president's tragically mystifying agenda that is the problem -- not the ambition to eradicate Al Qaeda and all violent zealots.
"We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth."
And you want us to think that these words, from this waning dictator Hussein, almost laugh-out-loud funny given their context in the first Gulf War, a war in which we beat him back like three ants that were making a spirited run for the toaster crumbs; that expressions like this somehow amount to a good enough reason to leave Bin Laden to write bad poetry and turn our sights on Iraq, Hussein, and -- now three years later -- what's rightly being compared to Vietnam (read: no objective, no exit strategy, NO GOOD).
Jenn, your free speech is fine -- keep talking -- but as an example of why your words "sicken" me: if your face is anything like your point-of-view, I'd rather look at Deepak Chopra's butt-crack.
Let's not start talking about people we know, this, people we know, that.
The reason America is losing patience is because almost everyone knows someone that's been adversely affected by this morass. Some who have served, recently or in the past, do -- as you say -- choose to remain optimistic no matter what and tend to see criticism of the administration as criticism of their sacrifice, or even of America.
And then there's another view from people who have safely served, or who have lost mobility or sight or body parts or family or friends. I need not go
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...into it here. I'll do you a favor, Jenn. Because I think you want to believe it doesn't exist. Go on. Don't stop believing -- hold on to that feeling.
And I know what nihilism means. Because I watch without joy as this administration seeks to rob glowing ideals like "freedom" and "democracy" of all true meaning.
Know what, sling those insults little man, they have no effect on me. So as not to add to the spelling Nazi's fodder, I will not answer one more word from you until you answer mine, only fair Mad old boy.
If there is a way to live in this world peacfully, I want to hear it, and I'll embrace it wholeheartedly.
I made a statement of fact, and added a question to it, your reply????? I added a bit to it to clarify.
To refresh your memory.
Let's take the WTC, just for ease.
The WTC was attacked in 1993, they, muslims, failed to do much structural damage.
We did nothing about it. Sat back kissing their collective asses and whining.
Then in September of 2001 it was attacked again, and this time, after 8 years of planning, they got it "right".
So, we did nothing the first time, we got attacked again.(Let's not forget the Cole, The embassy bombing etc... attacked repeatedly by Islamic fundamentalists.)The second time, we decided to do something about it.And have not been attacked since.
What would you have us do instead of fighting them where they are, one rouge muslim nation at a time?
Now, remember diplomacy DOES NOT WORK.
We weren't in Afganistan in 2001 or 1993, nor were we in Iraq.
Please try to make a point rather than compare me to Deepaks asscrack. K.
I've been told I look a lot like Catherine Zeta-Jones, only I have blue eyes. I'm not overly egotistical, but it's close enough.
Another, before I go, who will you blame in 2008?
Jenn - Again, when did we become Israel's military? Immediate threat to the United States of Israel? Wtf are you talking about?
He took pot shots at them because he wanted the no fly zone gone. A6 Intruders and F16s make quick work of that kind of nonsense.
He lied for his own damn reasons. All I know is that the intel was skewed to show he had WMDs when in fact he did not.
Why did he have remnants of WMDs? Probably from when he gassed his own people.
How about why did we sell him weapons in the 70s? How about our ties to selling him WMDs back then?
I never said we were Israel's military. Israel is the only country in the ME that is actually one of our allies. At this time. Therefor, the same as someone attacking England, or Italy, as our allies, this becomes our problem too. But, regardless of how you feel about that gem, we were invited to join the fray immediately on 9/11.
Rehash away Matt, but when we USED Saddam, it was for the greater good, addressing Iran which remains a problem today.
Please, there was no reason to invade based off of your allegations or any others for that matter.
Nice blog, Jen. I'm particulary upset with the US dead-fish wrappers, that don't have the cojones to show the cartoons. They need to follow what Europe is doing (can't believe I just said that.
D.A., LOL, he said dead fish wrappers. Love it.
I am the only person in my entire complex who still get's the newspaper in the morning.
to the families of the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed or injured in this brilliant war
It's amazing that there are still people who aren't aware that this bogus figure has been thoroughly debunked (or, just as likely, don't care that it's bogus, they're going to keep on referring to it anyway). Methinks you're a bit behind the times, Mr. Madgeneral.
This should prove interesting reading. http://www.eidsonblog.blogspot.com/
Many of us feel this way. Don't let the liberal left fool you.
Yes, Happy, Mad is safely going mad in his little world of paranoid delusions.
Well, I am a muslim,
1st. I your words you said that you had seen cartoons theat are more violating to Jesus, however that was OK with you. the first impression of these words is that you have no respect to holly men in your life even your jesus if you are a christian. I islam we feel so angry when any of our leaders such as Muhammed the prophet got hurt by any way.
2nd. You have said that u had read the holly quran that says muslims kill little girls, u are a lier, cuz islam came to prevent what ancient arab tribes used to do. ask your self how many islamic woman and girl alive now? why they are not dead by now? now you are so stupid just to believe what anti-islam media publishes.
3rd. Islam is a religion of faith and peace, please give your self a positive stand and some time to read a bout islam from :
http://www.islamonline.net/engli...ish/
index.shtml
http://www.islamicity.com/
http://answering-islam.org.uk/
http://www.yusufislam.org.uk/
Actually, "Happy Rampager" -- I agree that the "times" may have passed my number by. However, not in the way that you mean.
Jenn -- I've been quiet because life intervened, as it will. And in a way that has reminded me of something I had clearly forgotten here.
I'm sorry. Jokes can certainly be taken as thinly veiled insults. Sometimes it gets away from me. I've never seen you and, of course, I don't know you. If you look anything like CZJ with blue eyes then you are very fortunate, as is the man or woman who shares your mattress.
And I'll say another thing. I appreciate your zeal and persistence in responding to comments. Nobody will accuse you of laziness, much less apathy.
But we have not taken the same lesson from 9/11. Or if we did, maybe I've learned something else since then.
I swear to you that I was with President Bush in his immediate response to that event. I saw the pictures of the Arab Street. Many, at least those in front of the cameras, were dancing, celebrating. It shocked me, deeply. I also remember the prevailing international attitude in the aftermath as being one of sincere sympathy and support of America. Other than the words of George Bush and Tony Blair, both of whom's eloquence reached its zenith in those days, another statement that struck me was Jacques Chirac's: "We are all Americans," he said. I believe he meant it, and I think his words reflected, perfectly, how deeply most of the nations of the world respected us, even admired us, though they may sometimes disagree with us. The world reached out, just as Americans with political differences reached out, and the goal was common.
Iraq changed everything. It is destined to haunt America for a long, long time. It was the most foolish of investments because it threw away all of the good will America had accrued through its tragedy and through its faithful and righteous efforts to rid Afghanistan and the world of stateless terrorists. And it's thrown away so much more.
There's no time to explain here.
I won't pretend to know all that we should do to fight a truly effective war on terror. But let's stop pretending that this war in Iraq is an effective step in the right direction. Let's stop pretending that our homeland security has been prioritized and funded to the levels it should be. Most of all, let's stop pretending that, as Americans, some of us are more concerned for the safety and well-being of our fellow citizens than others. We all love this country -- even Michael Moore -- and we all want it to be safe and strong.
I believe it's our ingenuity and integrity that make us strong, not just our bombs and bravado.
I apologize for insulting you.
Mota,
1st.You're right, I am not religious. The closest I've ever come to finding religion was once, long ago in the Sierra-Nevada mountains, with the help of some, stuff.... Sure, I've seen some political cartoons that have pissed me off. Take Doonesbury, or LaCucaracha. Piss me off all the time, but you don't see we waiving a sign calling for Jihad on their collective asses. Are you aware that Mo is dead? Isn't he in heaven? Then he can't be offended. Let it go.
2nd. Hey, Mota, mate, I've read the Quran. Yup, where's your new testament? It's like the friggin' middle ages. Save girls? Is that what you call the stonings,"mercy" killings, and perpetual push into submission? Let alone those brave Muslims that blow up innocent civilians in the name of Allah,including little girls.
3rd. Islam is a religion of faith and peace:
Why don't you write that to your newspaper, then convince the hoardes that are currently calling for Jihad over a few lame ass cartoons, that that is the truth of Islam. Don't need to convince me, it's them that are the problem.
You are stereotypical of what is wrong with a faith such as yours.
Did you stop to think once in your little ditty to say,"Hey, these asshats who are promising some more 9/11 style kung foo on the West's ass, are idiots, and they need to shut the f*ck up." Or, how about this, Mota..."Hey, fellow Muslims, can you stop burning sh*t down, and stop blowing sh*t up!!!! Now."
I don't need "anti-Muslim media" to tell me crap.In fact the media is so pro-Muslim it's almost like watching AlJazeera West.
I just look with my own two eyes at the behavior of Muslims worldwide, that's all the convincing I need.
It took me years to finally come to this conclusion, not even after 9/11 did I say something as strong as "I hate Muslims". But, the proverbial staw has broken the camels back, and I'm pissed.
It's clear that we, and the vast majority of Muslims who do not follow this violent, radical abomination have a choice:
Either knuckle under to their demands and become their slaves until the inevitable war breaks out killing millions
or
Stand up publicly and reject this violent intimidation.
I have seen a few statements by moderate muslims. You might look at http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/
set up by Palestinians that are so fearful of retribution for expressing an opposing view they have to remain anonymous.
Pretty clear that this cartoon war was no accident. And the timing is no accident either. Look at who is behind the riots in Syria, then Lebananon and also in Iran.
In Teheran, the AUSTRIAN embassy was attacked. Now, since Austrian newspapers did not publish the cartoons, what is the deal?
Well... what happened in Vienna the same week? Little ole thing like the IAEA reporting Iran to the UN Security Council regarding Iran's nuke program.
Time to wake up folks and see our enemy, who stands before us openly.
Nailed it Mike.
Mike,
Which enemy should we wake up to next? There's more and more to choose from.
If you mean Iran, then haven't we been awake since the late 70's? They're just another fringe, freak, fascist, fundamentalist government that we're trying like hell to further legitimize through our botched foreign policy.
Do you think Tehran is thankful for our intervention in Iraq? Hah! Their thanks is to step up efforts to go nuclear while, in effect, calling us out.
I don't know what you think about these developments, but at the very least, they cannot excite you.
The prospect of more (surely unilateral) military action in yet another oil rich country seems far-fetched. But with the folks in charge, it is no such thing.
Pop goes the weasel. Well, when I first put your blog page in my favorites for some funny jokes I actually thought you actuallly had some potential to show how conservitive values help all.
Gone with the wind is that idea. Hate all Muslems?? Their religion doesn't support the murder of others, it doesn't support torture and if it didthen we'd be screwed seeing what percent of the world worships Islam.
I can't believe another one fails to understand that the true enemy is not religion. I'm Christian, specificly Lutheran, and I am very religious though I do not go to church. I don't agree with every detail of it and there are parts so vague that it can be interpreted many different ways. The true enemies are dictatorship and the use of religion as a tool, bending lies and brainwashing people saying that this is what it meant. Take history for example: the Crusades. How do you think the church got an army that huge? Simple, by saying that if you fought all sins were forgiven and you would get a free pass to heaven. There is nowhere in the bible where you will be able to find that and nowhere where you will be able to find a passage in the muslim bible that says: kill americans, renounce freedom.
It is this evil, the inallowance for people to see both sides of the issue that has lead to those madmen flying in to the World Trade Center. This is why a war on terror is neccisary, no matter how much money it costs.
If you hate all Muslims, the only thing that seperates you from the fanatics is that you haven't blown yourself up for the hate.
Hey Hippy fans:
When did thinking openly require mind-wiping pot?
Oh before i go, I've always thought that a true democracy would be a mistake. Well funnily enough, this chatroom has it right. Sadly this country has too many people like madgeneral who say, "oooooh, this information will really show them. Ooooh, Bush was an alcholic tee hee. The Republicans did this, that, etc." Then you have people who aren't really Republicns making the rest of us look bad by using the same mudslinging as them. (Despite my last post Jenn, I'm not talking about you). Nothing would get done. If a country threatened us we'd bicker until we'd get bombed. Considering we allow commercials and shows to contain so much sexual content that people sometimes start being active at age twelve, I'm sorry I think that we as a people can not truly see simple facts as what they truly mean. We as a people can bow down to the media so easily. If you think that liberal are openminded, consider that they won't take one issue they believe in if it is for the Republican side.
PS Sorry my righting is choppy and sloppy.
I'd say suck it liberals, but frankly I feel the defintion of liberal to go against how these politicians really think.
Matthew 43- -- You have heard that it was said, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and shalt hate thy enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who persecute and calumniate you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, who makes his sun to rise on the good and evil, and sends rain on the just and unjust. For if you love those that love you, what reward shall you have? Do not even the publicans do that? And if you salute your brethren only, what are you doing more than others?
Um, Anon - does your mom know you're on the computer?
Did anyone actually read my post? I mean really read it, or any of my comments?
I said:
"I hate Muslims. There is no middle ground. Maybe you've got your handful of bastardized American Muslims who aren't so bad. But I am tired of pretending to understand a religion who celebrates death as they do."
I aknowledge a handful who "aren't so bad".
This hate, dislike, rage was not an overnight occurance. It took years of listening to the people of Islam. I even gave them a chance after 9/11. No change. Sorry, I'm done with them.
But, the biggest difference between them, and someone like me, is that I don't want to kill them. I just never want to see or hear one again.
ONE:
Source - USA Today
The CDC and a biological sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including the West Nile virus.
The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran.
TWO:
Source - Wikipedia
..the most important support for Iraq was allowing the neutral oil tankers heading to Iraqi ports to fly the American flag, and thus be safe from Iranian attack, guaranteeing Iraq’s revenue stream for the duration of the war.
THREE:
Source - globalresearch.ca
Saudi born Osama bin Laden was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war “under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders”.
In 1979 “the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA” was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.
With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan’s fight between 1982 and 1992.
In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166,…[which] authorize[d] stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen. The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies, a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987 … as well as a “ceaseless stream” of CIA and Pentagon specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan’s ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels.
The CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam:
Predominant themes were that Islam was a complete socio-political ideology, that holy Islam was being violated by the atheistic Soviet troops, and that the Islamic people of Afghanistan should reassert their independence by overthrowing the leftist Afghan regime propped up by Moscow.
FOUR:
To claim the events of Beslan as international terrorism is to acknowledge the existance and independence of Chechnya, Ingushetia and North Ossetia all of which are currently part of Russia. The terrorist atrocities which have been committed in Russia in recent times are a long term internal problem which Moscow has failed to deal with,
As the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, Chechens, under the leadership of air force general Dzhokar Dudayev declared independence. Russian President Boris Yeltsin refused to grant this, and Russian forces invaded in 1994 to re-establish central government authority. The invasion met with fierce resistance, prompting a withdrawal in 1996 and a peace agreement in 1997.
Installing puppet administrations in these areas has blatantly failed, the Kremlin-backed president of Chechnya and a top Russian general were killed when an explosion tore through a stadium in the Chechen capital Grozny earlier this year.
FIVE:
from the Herald Sun 20 Aug 04
A 16-YEAR-OLD Palestinian was shot dead today by Israeli soldiers in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah, Palestinian medical sources said.
The teenager, who was identified as Ahmed al-Hams, was killed when soldiers opened fire during an incursion into the town which borders Egypt, the sources said.
He was killed while tending to a 13-year-old friend who had been shot and injured, the sources said.
An Israeli military spokesman said troops had opened fire on two Palestinians who were in a restricted area, near a military post, and soldiers assumed they trying to plant a bomb, although no explosive device was found at the scene.
From the Independent (UK) 30 December 2002
Israeli troops killed an 11-year-old boy in the West Bank town of Tulkarem yesterday, the second fatal shooting of Palestinian children in two days.
Continued...
THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST TAKEN FROM A GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
Palestinian children killed in the intifada
September 30 2000 Mohammed al-Durrah, 12, killed when he and his father are caught in Israeli soldiers’ gunfire while returning from a shopping trip in Gaza.
September 30 Israeli security forces shoot dead a Palestinian boy, 14, in clashes with stone-throwing gangs.
October 1 Samir Tabangi, 10, dies after being caught in gunfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen in Nablus.
October 1 Two-year old Palestinian girl, Sara al-Haq, killed when Jewish settlers fire on her father’s car as they are returning from hospital.
October 4 Mohammed Abu Aasi, 13, dies after being shot by Israeli soldiers in Gaza.
October 10 Sami Abu Jazar, nine, shot in head by Israeli troops in Rafah in Gaza.
October 21 Palestinian boy, Omar al-Deheisi, 15, shot dead by Israeli troops in Gaza.
October 22 Palestinian Wael Imad, 14, shot dead by Israeli soldiers in Gaza.
November 5 Palestinian youth, 16, dies after being shot by Israeli troops
November 10 Palestinian boy, 15, shot dead by Israeli soldiers during riots at Jenin.
November 19 Israeli troops shoot dead 14-year-old Palestinian boy in Gaza.
December 20 Hani al-Sufi, 14-year-old Palestinian boy, dies after being shot in Gaza.
January 1 2001 An 11-year- old Palestinian boy shot dead by Israeli troops in Hebron.
March 27 An 11- year-old Palestinian boy, Mahmoud Ismail Daraweesh, shot dead by Israeli troops.
May 7 Four-month-old Iman Hijo is killed when Israeli shell hits her home in a refugee camp.
April 30 Blast destroys block of flats in Ramallah, killing two Palestinian children aged eight and six.
May 16 Palestinian boy, 14, shot dead after youths throw stones at Israeli troops.
June 16 Palestinian boy, 12, shot dead, apparently by Palestinian gunfire.
June 17 Ali Abu Shaweesh, Palestinian boy, 12, shot dead by Israeli troops after stone-throwing clashes in Khan Younis.
July 7 Israeli troops shoot dead Khalil Mughrabi, 11-year-old Palestinian boy, near Gaza-Egypt border.
July 19 Three Palestinians, including a three-month-old baby, Diya Tmeizi, killed by Israeli civilian in drive-by shooting near Hebron.
Continued...
THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST TAKEN FROM A GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
July 31 Brothers Ashraf and Bilal Khader, five and eight, killed by shrapnel when Israel launches rocket attack on Hamas headquarters.
August 12 Eight-year-old Palestinian girl, Sabreen Ijrewi, shot dead during exchange of gunfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen in Hebron.
August 19 Mohammed Abu Arrar, 11, shot dead when Israeli troops open fire on youths throwing stones at tanks near Egypt-Gaza border.
August 20 Seven-year-old Inas and six-year-old Suleiman killed with their father Samir Abu Zeid, a Palestinian activist, in explosion at their home in Rafah, Gaza. Israel denied causing the deaths.
September 8 Israeli soldiers shoot dead 13-year-old Palestinian boy in Gaza.
September 12 An 11-year-old girl is killed when Israeli tanks enter Jenin.
September 27 Boy of 15 among five Palestinians shot dead by Israelis in fighting around Rafah refugee camp in Gaza.
October 18 Riham Nabil, a 10-year-old Palestinian girl, killed when Israeli tanks fire on school in Jenin.
October 20 A 15-year-old Palestinian boy shot dead by Israeli troops in West Bank.
October 21 Ghadah Ayaseh, a 10-year-old Palestinian girl, killed by Israeli troops in her home near Jenin.
November 22 Five Palestinian schoolboys from the same family, aged 7-13, killed when they accidentally detonate an Israeli tank shell while walking to school in Khan Younis.
November 23 Palestinian boy, 15, shot dead after throwing stones at Israeli troops at funeral of the five schoolboys killed by tank shell.
November 25 Israeli troops shoot dead 13-year-old Palestinian boy when they open fire on demonstration in Bethlehem.
December 1 Two Palestinians, one an 11-year-old boy, killed by Israeli troops on West Bank.
December 10 Two Palestinian boys, three and 13, killed when Israeli helicopters fire missiles on cars in Gaza in attempt to assassinate suspected member of Islamic Jihad.
Continued..
THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST TAKEN FROM A GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
December 15 A 12-year-old boy among four Palestinians shot dead when Israeli troops enter Beit Hamoun in northern Gaza.
December 17 Israeli troops shoot dead 12-year-old Palestinian boy in the Khan Younis refugee camp in Gaza.
February 19 2002 A girl of 14 and her mother are among six Palestinians killed when Israelis open fire on Khan Yunis and the Balata refugee camp
March 1 A 10-year-old girl among five Palestinians killed during gunfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants in a West Bank refugee camp.
March 1 Mahmoud al-Talalqa, seven-year-old Palestinian boy, killed near his home in Gaza, allegedly by gunfire from Israeli tank.
March 1 A nine-year-old girl dies after being hit by fire from a helicopter when the Israeli army enters Jenin refugee camp.
March 4 Five Palestinian children killed in Ramallah when pickup truck belonging to suspected militant and another vehicle are hit by Israeli tank shells.
Source: http://www.absitinvidia.com/?p=179 (as of March 30, 2006)
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Source: http://takeastandagainstliberals...e-on- islam.html (March 30, 2006)
"Who practice "mercy" killings of young girls, simply for being young girls. I have extensively read the Koran, and see them now for what they are". I'm very curious to know where exactly in Quran did you find this?? Could you please give us the Chapter (Surah) and Line (Ayah) of that?
Thank you
( Interesting reading: http://www.criticalreading.com/ c...al_thinking.htm )
PS: I didn't mean to flood your blog but the posting a comment option was only 3000 character long..
Jenn, you are demonstrating a very ignorant and uneducated typical republican approach to Muslims.
I am not religious in any way, I live in Canada, and I respect all forms of free speech, so at the very least I respect you for speaking your mind although I strongly disagree.
You say a number of times that Muslims glorify death, making reference (although no actual script) from the Qu'ran. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the christian God order thousands dead and destroy cities? Seems hypocritical that you could hate Muslims and not Christians.
Why does Islam need a new testament? seems they're quite content knowing that a re-write is not necessary, like it was for Christians. Christians will pull a new book out of their asses everytime the world changes to suit their needs. I can't wait for "new testament 2020"
You say that the americanized Muslims are O.K to you, or not so bad. What I get from that is as long as they assimilate their culture and vote for George W then kudos to them.
Have you ever been to Iraq? Syria? Iran? how about even India or Pakistan? You said you have seen it "first hand" and formed your own opinions on Muslims that way. OR by "first hand" did you mean you just watched it on CNN? CNN is probably the best way to get an unbiased opinion on Muslims. Would showing millions of peaceful Muslim demonstrations sell commercial time for CNN? No?, lets show the fanatics. That's what sells.
It was a Denmark newspaper that printed the cartoons, not Dutch, 2 separate countries. If you did your research on the Qu'ran as well as you did with regards to the country of origin of the cartoons, then its no wonder your perception of Muslims is twisted.
I agree 200% with everything she stated! If most Moooslums aren't mentally ill, then why don't you ever hear of a Muslim rally for peace? The only time I hear Muslims speak, they are whining or trying to pick a fight. For example, the fighting over Israeli's renovating a ramp 60 yards away from a Mosque(02-08-2007)! 60 F'ING YARDS AWAY! If Muslims are such great people, why are Jihad's such a celebrated action?!? 72 Virgins to anybody who commits a "Jihad" against any Infidels (Infidels = Non-Muslims, or anybody who doesn't stone their wife, or strap a bomb on their 10 year old son) America would only be so lucky as to have all the politically correct Liberals in this country, go to the Middle East and;
1. See the shit they're supporting.
2. See how long it would take for them to be used as a means for a "Martyr" to obtain 72 virgins in heaven! (Why do they need 72 more women to cover up, from head to toe, and not have sex with?)
3. To see for their own eyes that America is something to cherish, not to take for granted.
thank you i really injoyed your insight on the muslim faith im from the middle east and i feel the same way i am no white supremicist or anything but i believe AMERICANS should stand up and kill all these fucking bastards with extreme prejudice thank you ps im a liberal
I'm not talking about politics here, I'm not dragging that shit into this. Because I don't care about that...what I DO care about is how you guys are so messed up. How about fricking RESEARCHING the religion up, hey? Do that before you blather on about utter BULLSHIT the fucking media has cooked up for you, and served straight into your gaping maw.
Don't talk about shit you don't understand. It makes you look like more of a jackass than you already are.
All religions must be exterminated. Especially Islam of course.
F*** U how say this S*** i hope u go to hell and burn forever i think the only ones who really screwed up this world are you d*** christians!!!!
I totally agree with you. Muslims are filthy blood sucking pigs. I hope pigs eat their rotting carcasses. I'm a Sikh man and Muslims have always tried to convert us to bow to their pedophile prophet Mohammad (May Shit Be Upon Him). I support all your words and hope to join you in the extermination of all Muslims. Christians, Sikhs, Jews and Hindus should and would live in peace if all these Muslim scumbags disappeared from planet Earth.
Right on.
I'm so sick of self-loathing dishonest liberals. Let's all be nice and pretend that the muslims are simply misunderstood, while they kill us all for allah. K?
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