This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
What an idiot!
Too bad it will be near impossible to get this waste of breathable air fired. He'll get the same kid glove treatment they gave Jay Bennish.
Man, I hate unions!
I cant help but wonder if he is top notch product of our wonderful education system. There are far better ways to start a discussion on free speech however they require that one THINKS first.
And it's an entirely local issue. Flag burning in any context is legal (as it should be).
If his school administration thinks that he was out of line, or if he violated fire codes, he should be disciplined.
But this is not a national issue.
RF, I didn't say it was....I said this guy was a moron.
And, he is.
"But this is not a national issue."
It is when the country has become a society of wing nuts who have lost all sense to think for themselves and have allowed the media to dictate what they should care about and what they should not care about.
Knee-jerk reactions to party-line issues have got to be at an all-time high.
To elaborate RF, I don't think Flag burning should be banned. I just think that people that burn MY flag are all a-holes.
While I abhor what he did (I personally don't think it should be legal to burn the flag) I've otherwise been hearing nothing but good things about this guy.
He has apparently been an outstanding teacher for 29 years and has had no complaints on his teaching methods before now. He is also no left-wing political, America hating Jay Bennish type either.
Again, I think this was a serious lapse in judgement, but I'm not sure I want this guy fired either.
Didn't say he should be fired either. Just that he's a Moron.
You can't arrest or fire a teacher for teaching evolution, even though it might offend some people.
This guy did nothing but burn a couple flags for the purpose of getting his point across. IE; teaching.
Why people are so uptight about burning a symbolic flag that are a dime-a-dozen at Wal-Mart and Dollar General stores across the country confuses me. I understand the symbolism between the flag and patriotism and all of that. But in the grand scheme of things it's just a piece of fabric that was probably mass-manufactured in a different country to begin with.
It might be a little different if someone was standing out in front of a government building or at a soldier's funeral or something, but if done as a learning device about exercising freedom with no malicious intent then it's harmless.
I can't help but think people who get their panties in a wad about flag burning are the same ones who are blindly being led further away from the original intent and purposes of this country.
I know you didn't Miss Jenn, but some other fellow did (Henry?). I was also reacting to most of what other people said. I guess what I'm trying to say (albeit in my usual longwinded way) is that I agree with the "moron" label and I'll leave it at that.
The late Bill Hicks once did a sketch with this for your entertainment.
Bill says, "I personally do not believe in burning the flag. It's a personal belief, but I'll tell you something, I think people are overreacting, oh, just a little bit."
American Patriot says, "Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
Bill says, "Well, I bought mine. Sorry. You know they sell them at K-Mart for three bucks; you're in, you're out, brand new flag, no violence was necessary."
American Patriot says, "Hey buddy, my daddy died in the Korean war for that flag."
Bill says, "What a coincidence - my flag was made in Korea!"
The point is Pantie Pete, that these are children who just learned how to wipe their ass. They should be taught to respect their flag and country. As they grow older and are able to formulate their own opinions and ideals, they can have flag burning parties if they want.
This was probably a subject of discussion that was way above their little pay grades. Kids need to be kids, not learning 101 ways how to hate your country.
Poeple like you who seem to think that being supportive of your country means hating it clearly have internal issues that need to be dealt with. There are very, very few things in this country that realistically would cause one to "hate" the U.S.
There are places in this world where all the things your fear and hate about the U.S. exist. Why don't you go there so at least whatever tripe you spew will have some validity.
Damn there are some whiners on the left.
Yeah Jenn, I'm not so sure the way to teach children about freedom of speech is through burning the American flag.
You're right. He's a moron.
I know Wit, I was just stating the obvious for the more obtuse here.(Pete) 
Pete says, "This guy did nothing but burn a couple flags for the purpose of getting his point across. IE; teaching."
Jenn, the American patriot says, "Hey buddy,what point exactly was he trying to get across? I mean even the little kids think he's a moron.You don't need to burn a flag to get a point across. Why didn't he give the kids a list of social ills, and the addresses of the major political players in his state, and get the kids to write letters. See, constructive, not destructive."
Pete says, "If done as a learning device about exercising freedom with no malicious intent then it's harmless."
Jenn, the American patriot says, "Hey buddy,anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that burning the flag, a very visible symbol of our country, is something only a moron would do."
Pete says, "It's just a piece of fabric that was probably mass-manufactured in a different country to begin with."
Jenn, the American patriot says,"It's a piece of fabric that represents our country. Burning it is a plain stupid.IMHO. Same with those dipsh*t libtards that have all the upside down flag all over their cars."
"The point is Pantie Pete, that these are children who just learned how to wipe their ass."
These "kids" are 13 and 14 years old.
So now I hate my country because a teacher burned a flag as a lesson and I don't see the big deal.
Typical response.
Again, I just try to have a discussion and you people just bombard me with insults and namecalling.
And one of you had the gall to say "libtards" are whiners? Jeesh, we're talking about burning a symbolic piece of fabric. You're the only ones whining.
It'd be too easy for me just to go away and to start calling all of you childish names and whatnot. I'm still holding out hope that we can one day just hear each others' opinions like adults and try to learn something.
"Jenn, the American patriot says, "Hey buddy,anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figure out that burning the flag, a very visible symbol of our country, is something only a moron would do."
Brilliant argument, by the way.
Ah, so you must have at least 3 brain cells.
Good God.
I know it's been said a million times, but it really is alarming if you step back and look at these comments.
Are you people adults? I'm not trying to be a smart ass here. I'm really asking how old you people are.
Pantie Pete: "Typical response"
No, yours is the typical, canned, regurgitated "talking points" crap the left has memerized.
It's not ok to teach kids that it's "ok" to burn your country's flag as an example of freedom of speech. To begin with ... Why?
Why teach kids who really can't even understand the concept that freedom of speech is burning the flag?
Why not the civil rights marches?
Why not let them just read the NY Times? If there was ever a more vitriolic newspaper set dead against this country, it's the Times. Yet, it still operates in freedom. That's freedom of speech.
Why not show people protesting abortion? that's freedom of speech.
Why not show something positive as an example? How about just letting them read the Bill of Rights and discussing it?
Why not point to other countries ... like Cuba, where that right is unheard of?
Nah ... because this asshole, like Pete, has an agenda which shows thru the thinly veiled excuses.
Pete: As above the fray as you like to think you are, you're the lowest among us. Really, sit back and think about it. If people like you were in charge, we'd become another shithole like Africa overnite. Why? You're nutless of course and a member of the herd. Mooo
Darwin, simply because you conservatives keep bringing it up and are hellbent on making it illegal, which makes it even more of an issue than it is.
In 1989, the U.S. Supreme Court decided in favor of the rights of Gregory Johnson, who had been convicted of violating a Texas law by burning a U.S. Flag. In response to this and a similar 1990 Supreme Court decision, the U.S. Congress attempted to pass an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, granting the states the right to pass such laws, regardless of the previous decisions of the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court, you see, considers burning the American Flag an act which is protected by the First Amendment right to free speech. The only way Congress could make such anti-flag-desecration laws pass constitutional muster is to amend the very document that protects our rights. The bill, thank goodness, was rejected by just 34 votes on June 21, 1990. Tragically, the Conservative majority in the 104th Congress took it upon itself to reintroduce this piece of time-wasting legislation two years ago. With all the problems facing America right now, it's hard to imagine how 252 Representatives and 50 Senators found the time to sign this legislation and push to change our Constitution to eliminate this form of expression which the Supreme Court of America has upheld.
This bill was passed by the House of Representatives on 6-28-95, by a vote of 312-120. It was sent to the Senate, where it needed a 2/3 majority (66 votes) to pass. On 12-12-95, the amendment was defeated when it failed by only 3 votes.
Most of us breathed a sigh of relief, thinking the fight was over. And then, on 2-13-97, Rep Solomon (R-NY) introduced it again, to the 105th Congress. And this time, it came pre-signed -- with 201 co-sponsors.
The bill was killed in the Senate, which did not vote on it before recessing.
And then, it was re-introduced in the 106th Congress. Again, it passed the House, but came just short of passage in the Senate. This pattern is likely to continue until enough citizens tell their Congressmen to stop re-introducing this legislation.
Pete,
I can't vouch for the age of everyone here, but let me tell you, as one who believes morons ought to have the right to act like morons and burn flags, this was beyond moronic.
Burning anything in a closed space like a classroom is quite dangerous on several levels. First, it's a fire hazard. If the room caught fire because of something unforseen, then what?
Second, what would you be saying if your kid was in that classroom and the smoke from the flag triggered an asthma attack and your kid had to be taken to the emergency room? You'd probably sue their socks off!
Second, there are a thousand other ways to teach free speech.
Third, your gawdawful arrogance is worse than any perceived immaturity amongst some of the commenters here.
I don't give a rat's patoot if the teacher was a decorated war vet and voted Republican every election and had a picture of reagan tattooed to his chest, or if he is so far to the left he has a hammer and sickle tattooed on his hip, it was a moronic thing to do in a classroom.
VW
Ooops, got carried away with my seconds! Oh well. You get my drift. Typos! Blech!
No where did I contend that burning the flag should be illegal, nor do I support Constitutional amendments to that effect.
However, as evidenced by the reports that he has been removed from the classroom, there are those who do feel that the moron should be fired for his actions. Let's see: the school district has removed him, parents want him fired, and students want him fired. Where's the consideration for their wishes and the use of their tax dollars for this moron's salary?
Just because the Main Scream Media reports, based on the Teachers Association (can you say union?) president's say so, that he has a good teaching record, does NOT mean he is a good teacher.
I'm not really sure how it's arrived at that he "is not a left-wing political, America hating Jay Bennish type" from the few scant reports floating around; it's doesn't mean he is either, but using that in his defense is disingenuous.
After working for a local unified school district for a few years, and quiting in disgust, I can tell you that the level of corruption, waste of funds, and CYA-ism is outrageous. I also know it is near impossible to meaningfully discipline or fire a public school teacher.
VW - You're making the story more absurd than it already is. It wasn't like the guy was running up and down the aisles with the flag on fire making a mess. Your points are moot if you'd read.
The fire was done in an extremely cautious way, with a fire extinguisher at hand, to boot. Kids don't have fires in chemistry or biolab? You're the one bringing the political correctness issue to the table with your take.
If the guy had stood up in front of his class burning "HILLARY 2008" T-shirts and bumper stickers, you all would probably be sporting wood about this story and Jenn would have it on her blog headlined, "The Greatest Teacher in the World."
Face it, it's a partisan issue and people tend to overreact to stuff like this.
Again, these "kids" are 13 and 14 years old. And yes, it'd be different if they weren't teenagers.
Pete: What the fuck is wrong with you? No one here said it should be illegal. What we've said is we think what this nimrod did is inappropriate, especially in a classroom with small kids. I'd fire the asshole.
I personally think it's genuinely insulting to me, millions of other Americans, and anyone else who thinks symbols of our nation should be respected, not desecrated.
Why jerks like you think it's more important to stand on your little fucking soapbox and burn something held dear by millions is beyond me, especially in a classroom.
You don't get it, you never will and you will die as unhappy as you are now.
The supremes should never have gotten involved in the case to begin with. So the guy got convicted - big deal. We're talking about a small fine for goodness sakes! The guy didn't care! By what right did the supremes have involving themselves in a states rights issue.
At that time, some states had no penalties and others had varyng degrees of penalties for flag burning. It should have remained with the states, and people could have voted with their feet - as was meant to be.
Pete, you are a complet idiot. I don't care if he was burning a picture of you (which might give me wood), it was a stupid thing to do.
It could very well have triggered an asthma attack. I have a daughter that is incredibly sensitive to smoke in that regard.
You are an arrogant little prig. You are so determined that it was Ok to burn that flag and the only reson I can think of is because it gave you the wood. You suck, man, you suck.
VW
Pete: "If the guy had stood up in front of his class burning "HILLARY 2008" T-shirts and bumper stickers, you all would probably be sporting wood about this story and Jenn would have it on her blog headlined, "The Greatest Teacher in the World."
I wish I would have seen this before I posted my last comments. This just proves you really, really don't get it. That isn't appropriate either and would be way out of line. How are kids supposed to learn respect for the leaders of their country, not to mention elders if that kinda shit went on? I don't like her but again, since you can't figure it out, it wouldn't be right.
Time and a place for everything Pete. Start getting a clue.
You're half-right, Darwin. I don't get it and I never will. However, with the world in such a state as it is now, me not being the one with bunched up panties over burning a symbolic piece of fabric ensures it won't be me the one who's dying unhappy.
Lighten up.
Pete,
I'm more than willing to hear the opinions of others. However, I'm not interested in opinions that aren't based in reality.
As long as you continue to spew your "9-11 was an inside job" crap, I will see your "opinions" as the moonbatery that they truly are.
Uh-oh, I think your foil hat needs readjusting....
No, you are unhappy, and will most likely die that way. Burning the flag doesn't make us "unhappy". The fact that people are living in the greatest country the world has ever seen yet don't know what they have, or why they have it makes me unhappy. Sad would be more appropriate. It's also sad that kids aren't taught what they have and why they have it. They grow up to be just like you. Clueless, fearful, angry .... all ripe pickin's for the loony left who teaches them to be "victims" of the evil U.S.
Sad indeed
"Uh-oh, I think your foil hat needs readjusting...."
Wow. You all love the tin foil hat joke. That speaks volumes about your creativity and personality to always revert to that. Really, it does.
And, by the way, even if it is off-topic, there is no doubt 9/11 was preconceived and done from the inside. It's coming out very soon. You'll all feel pretty bad when it hits. It's so obvious if you'd just step away from the propaganda that has consumed your lives.
But seriously, you'll all be convinced very soon. Before the next election, for sure.
Pete,
LMAO!!
What a dumbsh*t!
Is it legal to set fire to ANYTHING in a classroom? What if the teachers decided to start burning their trash in the classrooms, would that be ok? What sorts of safety precautions were observed when the flags were burned, to protect children and school property from the fires?
I think that this is the angle to prosecute these worthless waste of space flag-burners from; just get 'em for having started fires where it wasn't legal to do so, or without proper safety precautions.
"It's coming out very soon. You'll all feel pretty bad when it hits. It's so obvious if you'd just step away from the propaganda that has consumed your lives."
Why keep us in suspense? Give us the "inside" info. C'mon, give us your secret links and stuff.
Keeping consistant, Pete, like many of his tin foil hat wearing moonbats says things like..."Darwin, simply because you conservatives keep bringing it up and are hellbent on making it illegal, which makes it even more of an issue than it is."
How skewed can you get.
Let's look at what I wrote, go read it again. Look at that post good and long now.
I said:There are all kinds of ways to practice freedom of speech. Burning TWO flags in front of a captive audience serves no purpose and in fact,is inflicting upon their right to not hear his "free speech".
So folks, give it up for Dan Holden, flag burnin' Moonbat nutter of the week."
Nope no mention of making it illegal.
Now, let's see what else have we got here.....
What an idiot! - Opinionnation
There are far better ways to start a discussion on free speech however they require that one THINKS first.
-WMD Maker
Flag burning in any context is legal (as it should be). -RFTR
Three conservatives, all right here and I don't see any mention that it should be made illegal. Nope, not a one Petey, old chap.
Oh, I almost forgot:
Pete you still haven't answered the 2 questions I posed earlier about the "9-11 Conspiracy".
Do I need to post them again for you to answer?
Pete..... Meds, go to the doctor, get some.
"That speaks volumes about your creativity and personality to always revert to that. Really, it does."
Yes, it does. All you moonbats ever come up with is evil U.S. conspiracies that never pan out amd McChimpy Bushhiltler. That speaks volumes about your creativity and personality to always revert to that. Really, it does.
Hey Pete. I can answer any questions you have about the USAF and their involvement in 9-11. Fire away. I'm waiting.
Henry, Pete never addresses questions when asked directly. He just rants and whines. And throws useless quotes at you.
I've dared Pete to try to go head to head with me on a 9/11 conspiracy, he's too scared to try. I guess that makes him, Pansy Pete.
Dearest Pete,
"Are you people adults?"
Are you?!
I'm not really sure how it's arrived at that he "is not a left-wing political, America hating Jay Bennish type" from the few scant reports floating around; it's doesn't mean he is either, but using that in his defense is disingenuous.
Henry
Well excuse me! Did it ever occur to you that there are other sources out in this big country of ours (i.e. I NEVER look to the MSM for news)? Did it ever occur to you that this has been a huge subject out in my neck of the woods (hello - Red State!).
I may have named you because you wanted this moron fired - but to call me disingenuous when you don't know a damned thing about me is insulting.
Oh - and smart guy - when I said that there has been no complaints about him, I meant from PARENTS! You know - the people this dumbarse has to answer to when their children come home and tell them what was taught in school that day - just like what happened in this incident.
Wait! What if, as my expression of free speech I wanted to burn the flag burner? That kosher?
Wit,
No complaints from parents?!? Sounds like there were 25 or 30 of them complaining about him yesterday morning. As for previous complaints, are you privy to his personnel file at the school district? Personally, I don't rely on the word of teachers union reps.
Like I said, I am not sure how it's arrived at, and I'd be more than happy to look at any reports of him being anything but "a left-wing political, America hating Jay Bennish type", but I have failed to find any.
I advise brushing up on your reading comprehension. I never said YOU were disingenuous, just the statement you made. Nor did I say that I wanted him fired. I do, however, support the parents that have to subject their children to the moron's "teachings".
BEWARE: Pathetic attempt at lightening the mood approaching....
If you are from a Red State, does that mean this has been a huge subject in your "red neck" of the woods? - J/K
OK, everyone: Inhale pink - Exhale blue.
Except you, Pete; you can inhale pink and hold it until you turn blue... 
Since we're on flag burning, I have a gift for you.
It's the greatest play in baseball history:
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Heh heh.
Nice one, Wit!
While I have seen that one before, thank you for sharing it again.
but using that in his defense is disingenuous.
Henry
That was directed at me.
I advise brushing up on your reading comprehension. I never said YOU were disingenuous, just the statement you made.
Again - that was directed at ME so my reading comprehension was just fine the first time, and you actually proved my point for me.
As for the parents complaints - I thought I'd made it clear there were no complaints BEFORE this idiotic incident.
As for the Redneck comment - I'll pass since I actually don't find anything offensive about it. Also, since we're basically arguing on the same side, I'll kindly ask for a truce.
No problem on the truce.
That's what the Inhale Pink - Exhale Blue is for.
Check under the "Pink" category, it's for gentleness and reconciliation.
Those kids were probably too young to realize they COULD have, and SHOULD have, WALKED OUT!
When you are out of argument, you change the subject to some wacked idea like a 9-11 conspiracy. How adult of you little Petie. Now run outside and play and try not to get in the way of the Rove Rays!
VW
I had a teacher in high school who ended up being commited, seriously, she was pulled out of class after sending all 28 of us to the principal. She was a raving Libby, but then again, so was I. When I was young and stupid, before my brain had completely developed.
She liked to wear Reebocks in varying colors with different colored laces. She hated G.B. Sr. so much, she'd desolve into ranting tirades about him daily. "Kids" are impressionable, we all lapped her crap up like cream for the kitty.
Teachers should not, in any way, be allowed to preach politics unless they are teaching a politics class. She was sick, and skewed, and she fed us her twisted views for a year. No wonder we all thought as we did.
Thank heaven I smoked da kine back then, it cleared the filthy liberal ravings from my mind.
Oh, and Wit, we're postponing the trip back east, looking more like spring now, we're moving next week, and it's costing us a pretty penny.
I just wanted you to know that drink may have to wait, but not for too long. You should get your butt out here, I'll buy you a Mai Tai @ the Barefoot. You'd love it.
"Those kids were probably too young to realize they COULD have, and SHOULD have, WALKED OUT!"
I was just thinking about some of the times (and there were few Thank God) that I should've got up and walked out. But, I figured I would get into trouble. Oh if I had it to do over again.
It was good to hear that 20 (or so) parents from that particular class used their freedom of speech to speak up.
I was in-between on this one (I mean his intentions - not what he did. I HATE flag burning!!!) until I heard a lady say that what most concerned her was the lackadaisical way this fellow just up and burned the flag, to, you know (flippantly toss hair over sholder) bring up the First Amendment.
I know 7th graders are clay-heads and there is a point to be made to "catch" their attention. However, I agree with Miss Jenn that these children were taught to wipe their rear ends with the flag in this demonstration.
So, no matter what this fellows intentions were (and admittedly, he raised the issue with everyone) I think he could have done so in a much more constructive way and brought up the controversial portions later in the discussion.
Seems to me that burning anything in the classroom (just short of in a chemistry lab or something) would be a fire hazard or a violation of school rules.
You are correct Mr. Leffingwell - I believe the Fire Marshall was the first person called in this incident.
Spring it is Miss Jenn! the Cherry Blossoms will be in bloom - very beautiful! I'm afraid my travelling to the left coast is out of the question at this time - which is unfortunate since most of my family is out there.
Moronic, yes. Expression of his freedom of speech? According to the supremes, yes.
But he forgot the caveat - any flagburners are to wrap themselves in the flag first...
OK - let's try this...let's see what happens when you burn a liberal!
How about burning the Charters of the NEA and AFT in front of the students?
Now that is freedom of speech!
"How about burning the Charters of the NEA and AFT in front of the students?
Now that is freedom of speech!"
I like it! How about an ACLU lawyer too?
And while we are at it, what about 'Heather Has Two Mommies' and 'Daddy's New Roommate!'
And while we are at it, what about 'Heather Has Two Mommies' and 'Daddy's New Roommate!'
What about em? I have no problem with them as long as their not forced reading established by the school.
My issue with people who have issues about such books is that they want the library to outright remove them from the shelves. Well who the hell is forcing you to read them anyway? I don't see libraries all over the country touting a rent one book, take home 'Heather Has Two Mommies' for free promotions... do you?
James: "What about em? I have no problem with them as long as their not forced reading established by the school."
As far as I know, they are forced reading. But back to the same problem. These are kids, let them enjoy innocence while they can before the world of sexual perversions is unleashed uopn them.
James, they are force reading them.
But, I don't care what book it is, you burn a book and I'll kick your ass.
Sorry Darwin, I love ya like a brotha from anotha motha, but I'll never back a book burning unless it's the Koran.
James, the kids were being forced to read the book (or, rather, listen to the teacher read the book). There is no way that anyone can justify teaching kindergarten kids about lesbian couples.
It wasn't a story about tolerance. It was about indoctrination.
Well, one would have to explain to me how I explain to my daughter why one of the girls in her class has two mommies?
I don't advocate reading time as an appropriate setting for anything outisde of "Clifford Goes to School"... but I have no problem with such books being present in a library.
I have to agree with Jenn... banning books is STUPID as it's ALWAYS politically motivated so you're introducing bias where it isn't needed. Burn a book, I burn yo ass.
Well, one would have to explain to me how I explain to my daughter why one of the girls in her class has two mommies?
Why? You are free to explain it to her however you wish. Your child, your choice...aw, damn, there I go with that "choice" word again!
Why do you need a government school to make that decision for you? That must also be a libertarian trait with which I am unfamiliar.
Please re-read my post... never did I say that a school should tell my children for me. I personally think Sex Education has no place in schools period.
Teaching your kids about sexual matters should be the job of a parent, not the government.
Thank you for the clarification, James. I was not attempting to mischaracterize your comment, so if I misunderstood your position, then I appreciate the clarification.
We are in agreement, then, on that issue. I do not support having "Heather Has Two Mommies" in the school library, but I don't know that the answer is for some sweeping federal (or even state) mandate that bans the book. I think it should be up to each school district.
For example, citizens of San Francisco would certainly see the inclusion of the book differently than citizens in, say, rural Kansas. If SF wants the book, cool...the locals have spoken. If Smalltown, KS, doesn't want the book, cool...the locals have spoken.
I'll agree to the "leave it up to the local authorities" part of your comment but this seems out of place.
"I do not support having "Heather Has Two Mommies" in the school library"
I fully support it's inclusion in a school library, as do I support copies of Mien Kampf, and Slaughterhouse-Five. Simply having them in your library is not force by any means... those interested in seeking out those books and reading them should be free to do so, yet reading them to a class should not be as "free" unless a notice has been sent home and brought back from ALL parents who's kids will hear the material stating that they support the reading of the book and that their child is allowed to attend.
Personally I've read Mein Kampf and I can tell you first hand that it is BORING!
JL: "If Smalltown, KS, doesn't want the book, cool...the locals have spoken."
I agree whole heartedly. Residents, whether it be local, county or state should be able to decide what they what to do and how they what to do it, within reason.
Watch out for krazy kris though, she doesn't think too highly of the "will of the people".
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