This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
I know Dave thinks the captured sailors may have been SBS, but I think they were simply part of the ship's crew.
You will be seeing (or maybe just hearing about) the SBS/SAS very soon.
And I don't think there will be any fuck-ups.
I saw the captured woman on TV. The Iranians make her cover her head with a scarf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/65.../uk/
6502947.stm
Yeah, I noticed that as well, the scum-bags.
As per the above link, the Brits have given these muppets a chance to save face. Minihaha is like a kid playing with fire- because the Brits will not fanny around threatening war. They'll just send a team in and do the business.
They've been given multiple chances to save face. As my husband said last night, GB needs to smack their collective asses with some superior firepower. I'm inclined to agree. Though I had hoped it would not come to that.
I mean, here we are again, with a chance to show Iran that we're not kidding.....and nothing.
Ahh, more violations of the GC.
I wonder where the Progressive outrage is on this one....
Good point Henry ...
ANOTHER Iran thread
Iran is big in the news lately...why wouldn't there be another Iran thread? Should Jenn discuss the latest crochet techniques instead?
Where has the word "ultimatum" disappeared to? You know, like we have 114 cruise missiles programmed to destroy your nuclear aspirations and key infrastructure if you don't release the hostages NOW!
Conventional warheads lester. By the way, know your coordinates off hand?
Shouldnt Iran be forced to treat these illegal invaders the same as we treat ours? They should recieve payments from the govt, free health care, a break on their taxes, bank accounts without having proper ID. In short Iran should be kissing their asses for coming into the country illegally.
Very good point Henry....chirp chirp... do you hear the crickets as well. So far today I see one "hate BushCo." post after another.
LOL WMD. That sounds familiar.
Lestard.....Iran is a problem. It is not going away. I'm curious, do you think it's ok what they've done?
Pam....yeah, crochet is not my thing, I do however paint, I could do a post on blending colors.
like i said, would anyone care if british troops took iranians into custody. because if you'll recall, this whole thing started with british sailors boarding an iranian vessal.
it's the PERSIAN gulf not the british gulf.we'd do the same hting if they were in our waters trying to do some nonsense
les you fool
They were in IRAQI waters not Iranian, enforcing the UN sanctions on Iran.
Actually Lesturd, If you had half a freakin funcytioning brain cell, you'd know that they don't call it the persian Gulf over there, That is what WE call it. It is known over there as the ARABIAN Gulf,
VW
"this whole thing started with british sailors boarding an iranian vessal."
HUH?!?
Before it was pointed out to them, and they changed their story, even the Iranians admitted the Brits were in Iraqi waters.
No mention of Brits boarding Iranian vessels...
Lester's MO: If you don't know the real story, just make shite up.
Lester you are once again a terrorist apologist,you are the "ENEMY" with post like the last one....
How come you never root for America or her allies?
Instead you take the side of terrorist and America's enemies,you believe anything you hear from Al Jazeera as fact,you need to find yourself a new country because you Lestard are no American you are a seditionist and should be tried as such
lester ... do you really think with todays technology, and the tense situation between the west and Iran, that the British wouldn't be aware of where they were? At the time they were particpating in efforts to curb smuggling operations. They had cleared the vessel to resume it's course when the madmen pounced.
With the current state of tensions, why would Iran even consider escalating?
Whose side are you on anyway? You reap the benefits of living in the US yet take every available opportunity to slam the US under the guise of "I don't support the war".
Look, I'm all for pulling every western influence out of the ME as long as muslims reciprocate and leave the west, at least the ones who are starting to demand their religion be recognized above the laws, traditions and cultures of this country.
This is a free country you know ... and you're quite free to leave if you don't like it.
Nah, I couldn't care less if the Brits nabbed a bunch of Iranians, IF THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!
Lestard=Tool.
Too bad they dont have WINSTON CHURCHILL or MARGRET THATCHER anymore they woul dhave had the RAF in there blasting TERHAN into rubble and bombing those barbarians back to the stone age
This incident was supposed to be the Gulf of Tonkin incident needed to start the next PNAC planned war, the second step in the degenerate neo-con plan to create endless war.
Something went wrong, the Iranians dod not fire on the British, as the PNAC, AEI freaks wanted.
In the end these sick degenrate neo-cons will get their endless war, and gulliable retards like you will cheer it on
With the current state of tensions, why would Iran even consider escalating?
Because they can.
and no Darwin
This has nothing to do with not supporting the US. This has do do with resisting the radical right wing think tanks plans for endless wart in the Middle East. You have bought all the lies, and excuses, when it is all one big racket
Thanks Jared. that explains it nicely. Now go put your tinfoil hat back on and go play. Let the grownups discuss this. Freakin idgit!
VW
In the end these sick degenrate neo-cons will get their endless war, and gulliable retards like you will cheer it on...
Where have you been? We're no longer in 2004, neoconservatism as a guiding light for foreign policy has, rightly, come under so much fire as a result of the series of missteps in Iraq that I have a very hard time believing that anyone, aside from left-wing nutjobs who want them to have a position of influence, takes these guys seriously anymore. If they do, they shouldn't. I'll save my criticisms for the hubris of preventive war for another day.
Holy shit. Tinfoil hat is right. I hate neoconservatism and I'm even beating up on lefties for a change.
Wow. Am I dreaming or something?
Jared has been watching too much Rosie!
Where have you been? We're no longer in 2004, neoconservatism as a guiding light for foreign policy has,
Don, you are factually wrong
the American enterprise institute came up with the surge, and they got their surge
they still run America
"...endless wart in the Middle East"?
Couldn't we just break out some Compound W and solve this whole thing?
'grown ups"
oh yeah
bomb them into the stone age
yep, your the grownups
!!!!!
AEI wanted the surge
they got the surge
AEI wants IRan
they will get Iran
no tin foil hat
FACTS
The grown ups are in the congress and they are smacking down the filthy little crony Bush hacks
Now now Don
The plan, which was presented to Bush last week in a meeting with five national defense specialists, two associates of the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI), is designed to focus U.S. military efforts on providing "security" for average Iraqi citizens against both the Sunni insurgency and Shia militias that have, in the report's words, made Baghdad the "center of gravity of this conflict."
AEI still writes the policy for this country. Neo-cons have gone no where
now take it back
dipshit
Colin Powell at the beginning said we should have more troops in than we were sending to Iraq.
Since the beginning of the Iraq war many on the right have been saying put in more troops.
The AEI didnt just pull it out of their ass 2 monthes ago.
So dont try telling us you FEEEEEEEL its the AEIs idea.
"Thanks Jared. that explains it nicely. Now go put your tinfoil hat back on and go play."
LOL ... Jared needs the heavy duty foil for those intense radiation days.
AEI wanted the surge, they go the surge
AEI wants Iran, they will gwet Iran
how does it feel to have an administration ran by a dirty, anti-American, business first, America last, think tank???
Jared, you Stalin sucking lap dog, you made a bunch of accusations with no proof. No back up, just out and out lies.
Go away little boy, ya bother us.
VW
VW
Cant handle it huh?
you voted for filthy murderous thugs, that let think tanks use and abuse our military.
how does it feel to be urinated on?
and you defend them?
and attack me?
you really are a fucking retard
i guess its hard to be pissed on by your heros, so blame the "libs"
no surprise America is fed up with retards like you
THEY PISSED RIFGHT ON YOU
PISSED AWAY OUR MILITARY
FOR A THINK TANK SCHEME
You are a damned Liar Jared. You have no credibility - NONE
VW
Remarkably, most lefties that post here all follow the same pattern ... hysterical accusations and no proof whatsoever.
Jared, the deeper you go into the earth the less tinfoil you'll have to wear ...
Just sayin'
Darwin, Great point, But you need to know that the government communicates with subs via huge buried antennas. He definitely needs to keep the tinfoil hat!
VW
I always root for the us and her allies. this is the first time I've ever supported Iran. i ahppen to have been there and saw the whole thing. no i'm kidding
I'm prety sure the altercation took place with the british ship detaining the iranian one for smuggling cars or something. then the iranians came over in like inflatable boats or some shit.
I'm not "rooting " for anyone. okay I am rooting for Iran, but only because
1. they have a right to be in their own gulf
2. the british were probably a little cocky in messing with them.
why does Iran have to kowtow to us. if they don't bend over and worship us will our big swinging dicks hit them in the head and knock them out? are we the president of the world?
LOL Jared is at this point cracking me up. I mean he's frickin hilarious. I wonder where he get's his talking points Kos Central?
Let's see.....Some "think tank" controls the American government. Somehow said "think tank" was able to pursuade the Iranian government to kidnap a bunch of British soldiers, hold them in Tehran, and parade them about on ME TV.
All of this is done with the cooperation of the Iranian government of course, according to you, because they are the ones that have the soldiers, of this there is no doubt.
So Iran wants us to start using their oil? Or they are in league with this "think tank" to help the evil BushCo. grow some more "big business"/get Iranian oil?
Going further, the Evil Bushco Regime is in league with Iran to supply the insurgency in Iraq with weapons to kill our own soldiers, and cost us billions of dollars?
I just gave myself a headache, trying to get Jared. I don't think it's possible.
"why does Iran have to kowtow to us."
They don't, and no one's asking them too. The US and every other civilized country on the face of this earth would like nothing better than Iran and countries like it (e.g. NKO) to stand down and become a member of the world community. Besides internal conflicts in the middle east, a casual observer can come away with two conclusions:
Islam is becoming more and more fundamentalist and radical.
Israel is used as a convenient scapegoat to deflect from the obvious inadequecies of muslim leadership and muslim progression.
The last thing any western nation needs to do is bend to the will of radical governments. Diplomacy is a great thing, but it doesn't work with madmen and religious fanatics.
I love Australia,Headline from The Australian:
Terrorist state has a history of insanity
http://www.theaustralian.news.co...3-
25377,00.html
Oh come on Darwin you missed this one:
Lestard:I'm prety sure the altercation took place with the british ship detaining the iranian one for smuggling cars or something. then the iranians came over in like inflatable boats or some shit.
"The British sailors had just searched a merchant ship Friday morning when they and their two inflatable boats were intercepted by Iranian vessels near the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway, U.S. and British officials said."
The didn't "detain" anyone. The were doing a routine inspection, had finsih, and were heading back to the main ship when they were accosted, and KIDNAPPED-IN IRAQI waters by Irainian Guards.
They, in fact, to detain the British soldiers, were in IRAQI waters, breaking the law and were in large ships with superior firepower. They weren't in "their gulf" they were in Iraq's, just like they are in Iraq supplying the insurgency. Fuckwit.
Jenn, again, Lesturd doesn't care. Between Lesturd and the unhinged and lying Jared, all they do is peddle their Commie pap. They just keep throwing crap up onto the wall and see if any of it sticks. The truth means nothing to them. They are amoroal. They won't acknowledge their lies, they will just hurl more shit.
VW
amoroal = amoral
If Jared knew my views on unions and latin america he'd probably hate me just as much.
jenn- I didn't see "routine inspection" in the original report. it looked like they were detaining them on suspicion of something.
No it was routine, and it wasn't an Iranian ship they were inspecting, in IRAQI waters. Regardless, say it was, say they WERE holding them on "something". That still doesn't justify Iran's actions. In any way shape or form.
Lester - please try to actually read the stories. Pretty much every MSM report contained points about it being a routine inspection, the fact that it was done, the fact that the Brits were in little rubber boats, and the fact that the Iranians were in ships. Remember, facts are important when making a point.
Folks, let's not forget our friends in Russia and calm, cool Putin reminding us weekly that military action in Iran is "ill advised". If the Brits took action, even just an SAS team to extract the sailors, the Russians would go nuts. So would Iran, but they're nuts already.
in certain shapes and forms it does. what can i say, I have no idea what really happened. at this point it seems like alot of face saving and whatnot.
The only people who need to save face is Iran and they are not doing that. So what "alot of face saving and whatnot" are you talking about?
The only way they could have saved face, and actually come off looking pretty damn good was to have immeadiatly returned the 15, with little notes of abject apology pinned to their chests and maybe some wine and a dozen roses to boot.
You can try to spin this any old way you want Lestard, but these whack jobs lost it on this one, and it may end up being the last straw.
Crisis control management and common national diplomacy embraces these tenets:
1. You respond to words with words.
2. You respond to actions with actions.
Because Western Cultures do not commonly adhere to these common sense tenets, we are perceived as PTs.
A good response would be to launch an air strike against Iran's oil infrastructure, destroy pipelines, refineries, distribution points, ports where oil is moved to ships. Remove Iran's ability to make any money whatsoever on its oil.
BZ
BZ
I am more in favor of the "Ghadafi method" of retailiation.
We know where your family sleeps.
Good point BZ.
just what the world needs. another war
Where's Jimmy Carter when you need him?
giving sermons in Georgia on Sundays and taking shit from the israel lobby during the week
Ooohhhh! BZ! I like your thinking!
What really bothers me about this is the Cromwell's commander, seeing their people ambushed, called into their central command for instructions!!! AND he was told to hold his fire!!!What's up with THAT??!!??
If I was that guy I would have fired first, protecting my people, and worry about any consequences later. You don't give your people up to these savages. Can you imagine what they are doing to these people - especially that poor woman?
I miss the old Brits! In the old days (really not so long ago!) they would have blown the Iranians out of the water without a second thought. If Iran whined about it they would have responded with something like, "Dear me, that WAS unfortunate. Come! Join us in a spot of tea and we can put all this unpleasantness behind us. Jihad, you say! Well! The devil take you then if you're going get into a snit over such a triffling matter! What an impertinent fellow you are! My WORD! The NERVE of some people! REALLY!"
I REALLY miss THOSE Brits!
they let the woman go
I've heard no such thing, as yet. I'll believe it when I see it. They're probably not done raping her yet....
Deadlines mean nothing to Iran.I'm thinking of a few teams of mercenaries!
BREAKING NEWS:
Iran's Foreign Minister has just made a statement that Britain must admit that their ships strayed into Iranian waters for this conflict to be resolved.
What a bunch of sh!te! Britain has already been able to prove their ships were in Iraqi waters by their GPS signals.
If they say "OK - Sure, we were in your waters," I'll never have any respect for them again! Regardless if they are only doing it to get their people back.
That commander should have fired on those pirates and killed every last one of them! THAT would have sent a nice message! Keep friggin away from us or you're DEAD!!!
I swear both the US and British govt's are pussies. Why not just blow up Iran's only oil refinery, and then see how diplomatic they will be? If Iran wants to return to the 7th century, I would bet not having cars would be a good start?
Amen to that, Brother Boozeman!
"Iran's Foreign Minister has just made a statement that Britain must admit that their ships strayed into Iranian waters for this conflict to be resolved."
I hope the hostage senior military guy is telling his troops to shut up, stand tall and brace for a long ride or death.
Typical behavior from the Iranians. I really can't believe they think this will work, whatever their plan is. They fucked up. Targeting coordinates for their oil facilities and nuclear plant are programmed in and waiting.
Question for Lester- Do you even read the articles you write about or just the headlines? It might save everyone some trouble if you just read the whole article and work on your comprehension.
I just saw that Wit. I too will never respect them again either, and in fact when I go over in August will tell as many of them as possible what I think. Should make me popular.
My husband is shitting himself. He being a Brit is appalled beyond words...... The beer consumption this evening is not helping, but he's pissed. This latest addition has got him of fire. (Right now he's down stairs telling the dog that "they should bomb,bomb bomb them.)
He, a British citizen says, and I QUOTE: "Send in the SAS, get the 15 out and then (this is an exact quote), bomb,bomb,bomb,bomb,bomb them. Send in the harriers. Bomb them, fucking bomb them. Fuck this PC crap, fuck them fuck them all, bomb bomb, bomb them." - Jenn's Husband
As you can tell he's a bit peeved.
Boozeman, you are spot on.
I really don't care to read your blog.
Please, don't take that as a compliment, I don't have time to read blogs. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
But you... I have a big problem with you.
You called my sibling a "fuckwit".
When you call someone I love a "fuckwit"... I have an overwhelming urge to immediately hunt you down to kick you square in the clit.
I am positive you can not pinpoint who I am, because I am sure this type of vitriol spews from your brain, mouth and fingers on an hourly basis.
Carry on, Jenn. Back to your regularly scheduled vitriol.
Jenn, I couldn't help but to comment. I can understand how your husband must feel- and I do hope and pray that the soldiers are returned as soon as possible. This is seriously horrible on the part of Iranians- both in their role as members of a global community as well as their role in protecting their own country. I don't really know what else to say.
Would that be Polishifter, Jolly Roger or Mixter? All three are fuckwits. I call 'em like I see 'em.
Hey chill out FUCKWIT, I have an overwhelming urge to whack shitsucking leftard fuckers like you upside the head with my lucky hockey stick. Good thing I don't act on my impulses. 'Sides' I'm a pacifist.
Ever heard the saying that starts with sticks and stones? LOL, anyway your "loved" one must been a huge FUCKWIT PUSSY if they need the likes of you to take care of their bizzsnatch.
Hanieh,
I want to clarify, at least from what we discussed pre-beer. Not the Iranian civilians, the nuke factories etc. That's what he wants "bomb,bomb,bombed".
oh quick correction... I said "soldiers" earlier- I meant Royal Navy personnel.
Jenn- I understood that. When we're upset about something, we don't necessarily speak with the utmost clarity, so... yeah, it's understood.
WOW! lots a fun! Hanieh, glad to see you commenting,please stop by my evil right-wing blog too. It not as much fun though. But I have cool pics!
Hanieh you were great today!! Thanks!
toejam the fuckwit asshole
"You called my sibling a "fuckwit". "
I see it runs in the family. Maybe you and your sibling should remove yourselves from the gene pool and save the world a lot of trouble.
Jenn
The AEI has weanted Iran for years. They are calling for bombing,. The AEI demanded the surge in Iraq, they got the surge.
Yes, Jen a think tank is running your country
The FACTS are there
You can't come to grips with it
This incident was mapped out
They did not get their desired results
they wanted bombing of the British to spark the war
Their is no war on terror
only a mindless retard would still believe this
This as the thinking 1/2 of America have said from DAY ONE is a war for resources.
Iran= second largest oil country in the WORLD. Saudi Arabia, first, Iraq, third
Bomb Iran, go ahead, enjoy the $5.00 a gallon, go ahead. America's total army is the same size as Iran's around 1/2 million. Go ahead.
You will regret it...........
You neo-clowns always want the WAR, why do you love death and destruction so much????
Sick, degenrate freaks
Go ahead bomb Iran
$5.00 a gallon gas to follow
you arm chair quarterbacks, will regret it
why do you hate America?
Neo-cons are calling the UK pussies???
Hysterical
Hey boozeman
1-800-GO-ARMY
Hey Jared! We get ZERO OIL from Iran and haven't gotten a drop from them in a couple of decades. So, WhoTheFuckCARES.
Iran needs to be spanked. No one here has said bomb the civilian population assmunch. But a few well placed military strikes might be just what the doctor ordered.
"The FACTS are there"
Link them please.
"Their is no war on terror
only a mindless retard would still believe this"
Please don't tell be you believe 9-11, 7-7, Madrid, Bali and all the thousands of terrorism acts since 9-11 are all inside jobs.
"You neo-clowns always want the WAR, why do you love death and destruction so much????"
Asswipe ... nothing could be further from the truth, as if the truth matters to you. Just who the fuck is the instigator in all this shit? It sure as fuck wasn't the British or us.
"Neo-cons are calling the UK pussies???"
Yes ... they seem to have lost their gonads along with the rest of Eurabia.
1-800-GO-ARMY
Speaking of the US Army, I called them and they're holding a slot just for YOU.
Just what the fuck have you EVER done for your country asswipe extraordinare????????????????? except being a fucking leech on it.
Jared the screwed sub-man
What do you care what the price of gas is? You live in NYC. You have probably never driven a car. Not that you have the ability to drive a car anyway.
USA/TODAY Gallop poll
Do you think Congress should or should not investigate the involvement of White House officials in this matter?"
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Should Should Not Unsure
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% % %
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3/23-25/07
72 21 7
"If Congress investigates these dismissals, in your view, should President Bush and his aides invoke executive privilege to protect the White House decision-making process or should they drop the claim of executive privilege and answer all questions being investigated?" Options rotated. N=526, MoE ± 5 (Form A).
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Invoke
Executive
Privilege Answer All
Questions Unsure
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% % %
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3/23-25/07
26 68 6
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No America does not support Bush's desire for executive privilidge
you are the minority
defending scum because of the letter "R"
USA/TODAY Gallop poll
Good God why not just ask Dan Rather?
Find an unbiased poll
Jesus Jones, Jared!
WTF are you on about now?!
Please Jesus, not ANOTHER conspiracy wack-job!!
Hey Miss Jenn! I don't blame your hubby for being P.O.'d. I'M P.O'd and I'm not a subject (although I AM of English descent).
Did any of you hear that that douche-bag, Pelosi, has been blocking a house resolution condeming Iran and declaring American support for Great Britain, the U.S.'s greatest ally. The *itch has been refusing to even let it come to the floor. How is this resolution controversial? Grrrrrr!
What's her reasoning for doing that?
I loathe her.
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