This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Lebanon is quite a bit different than America.
Al Quaeda was not in any way, shape or form involved with the Lebanese Civil War. Fact. "The Cell" as Al Quaeda translates from Arabic didn't even exist back then.
Actually, the translation sphinx, is "the base".
And since the civil war, Al Queda has formed alliances with hezbolla. Despite denials to the contrary, islamic terrorist groups have always been connected through their ideology of hate. As we make deals with the devil for the greater good, the islamofacists cause is based in evil for the greater evil. Destroy Israel,and kill the infidels. They have no desire to live side by side in peace with anyone.
An interesting 'cause and effect' I've noticed lately has come from watching recent Zawahiri manifestos. The last two in particular. A not so thinly veiled call to action by Zawahiri to hezbollah in Lebanon have been acted out the following day after each release. You won't see the relevant passages in the MSM. You have to sit through his whole spiel. I don't have the link but BOTH have been posted over at JAWA and can be retrieved from thier archives.
You've said that European countries have done a poor job at assimilating their respective muslim populations. I believe that statement to be mostly false. Yes, more could be done to help blend muslim into their respective populations if in fact that was TRULY what muslims want to do. They don't. So blaming the goverments exclusivlely for an inherent problem that the muslim community harbors is a product of denial.
I know many middle easterners, particularly Lebanese Christians and Druze. They have had NO problems assimilating here in the US for example. In fact, they've excelled, and many of them are well respected members of our community. On the other hand, from personal experience, the muslims I've met since 1974 have always carried with them a self defeating attitude of elitism framed in a need for being portrayed as the victim. This counter productive mindset needs to be quashed within the muslim community before it would be resonable to associate an assimilation problem with a a particular governments policy. It seems the muslim community is only comfortable with assimilation when it is on THEIR terms. I'd point to Dearborn and the more recent islamic 'revolution' in Minnessota to augment my point.
Frankly, I like Australia's approach. "If you don't like it here and don't WANT to become productive members of OUR society GET Out!
I believe European governments may be faulted for placating muslim demands and their invasive demands on society, but you can't blame the bulk of the problem on the governments.
It's important to remember that the destruction of Israel is not the only goal of organizations like hezbollah. They are destroying Lebanon as we speak . It is part of their charter to Islamify Lebanon. To drive US 'imperialism' out of the mid east, destroy the capital market that has allowed Lebanon to thrive, and from there increase the pressure on it's Arab neighbors to drive Israel into the sea. Al Queda is now intimately involved in that plan.
"Frankly, I like Australia's approach. "If you don't like it here and don't WANT to become productive members of OUR society GET Out!"
Absolutely ... but that was Howard's statement and of course the left has it's tentacles down under as well. They're Shocked! Shocked I tell you that anyone would dare say such a thing to anyone, let alone muzzies.
"I believe European governments may be faulted for placating muslim demands and their invasive demands on society"
... And for allowing unfettered immigration. This touchy feely notion that advanced and civilized nations should just let everyone and their brother come in is absurd. It changes the face of the nation, the culture and dilutes the traditions as well as dividing the country into subsets.
I love the left's notion that somehow the West must bend to the will and desires of immigrants and not the other way around. You cannot meld two polar opposite cultures. The end result of all this madness will be bloodshed. The left's policies always end in bloodshed and death. Always ... they never learn.
Brigitte will school all who listen on the recent history of Lebanon. I heard her interviewed by Frank Pastori about a month ago, and immediately put my name on the roster of American Congress for Truth.
If one is unfamiliar with her, then one should keep one's mouth shut, but I can't imagine that will happen as certain individuals feel compelled to flap their jaws even when they have no knowledge of what they speak. Just watch.
That is cool that you guys got her on your show. She is an amazing person who lived through a very difficult time.
You are correct brother G! Knee jerk reaction to something they have no knowledge, its borderline insanity on their part (Sphinx).
I bet he's read her book too? Right? Spinchter?
Wel lit is a blast preparing for her and anyone who feels the need to knee jerk a response on the left should go buy her book first and seem smmart!
Sphinx,
Not that you care, but I lost a ton of respect for you in the manner which you shamelessly pimped out to tyree the foul-mouthed lying batsh#t-crazy moonbat in the 400+ comment thread.
You had, up until that comment thread, been able to articulate your points in a relatively intelligent manner. However, you let Tyresome drag you down to a level that I thought was well beneath you.
Disappointing, ma'am, I don't mind telling you.
I say we should just deport all the illegal laeins and have their nation where they came from pay for it all
Jenn and Dave,
When your caller hung up, that was the end of the broadcast. Dead air, nothing, nada, el blanco, fini
Yup....that sucks, I guess they're cracking down now.
"Yup....that sucks, I guess they're cracking down now."
Yeah ... what do you mean? Cracking down on your time allotment?
Yeah....we used to be able to run over 10 minutes or more, now they just cut you off at an hour.
It really sucks, because I was enjoying our fan. 
I called in at 8:32 and didn't get anything! 
So much for being fashionably late
Hey G I saw the call, now I know it was you...damn though..wish ya'd got through.
Seems they be cuttin shows off at the quit time now! Dang IT!!
Gawfer...call Wednesday! OK!
ms gabriell looks like a tranny, maybe that's why the muslims were after her.
some of the christians in lebanon were involved in a group called the phalangists, who were basically nazis and whored theselves out to israel. they are largely responsible for what is called the sabra and chatille massacre, where the israelis basically provided cover for them to ...massacre people.
thre are plenty of christian lebanese who support hezbollah. the big "democracy " people are mainly people who haven;t lived there in decades
lester with his muzzie skewed propaganda again.
...who were basically nazis and whored themselves out to Israel".....
Gee fester, I never would have thought that nazis and jews got on so well. I guess your attempting to offer proof that the holocaust never happened.
lester gets his info from muzzie websites ... I mean leftie websites, the two are interchangeable.
lester IS a muzzie website.
in a way that's true. I try to provide information unavailable in the american media, usually on the middle east. i am a muzzie website.
whatever I'm sorry this annoying woman hada bad time in lebanon but throwing in with the neo cons is only going to create more situations like the one she faced.
get smart. support nasrallah/ lebanon's future
"support nasrallah"
Sorry ... the Jooooooo's have him targeted. Maybe you can take his place?
lester's dictionary
information; blatant distortions of facts to support one's own twisted, perverted view of reality.
She isn't throwing in with anyone. She is just trying to get the word out on her experiences. Try reading her book, I heard it is short and easy to read. Have a dictionary beside you for the big words.
On a side note.. dude Lester, you are one sick f*ck. Really. And I don't say that to many people.
jenn- you support george bush and I'M the sick fuck?
the people who told you Iran are supporting terror and hezbollah want to destroy america are the same people who told you iraq would be a cakewalk.
face it, the right wing blogosphere doesn't know anything about the middle east. they have ideology and fantasy and no facts or experience with the region or the people.
Nice Lester..I guessing you are next for the filer!
Call someone else a name and you can go back to the hole you crawled out of.
I mean really?
"face it, the right wing blogosphere doesn't know anything about the middle east"
lester, any fact you post about the middle east can be refuted in a couple of clicks. Your facts on Israel were so distorted I had toyed with the idea of keeping them as examples of how successful propaganda can be.
Seeing as how this is the anniversary of the first World Trade Center Attack, 14 years ago today, I'm surprised lester isn't out celebrating.
Yesterday was the 15th anniversary of the ground invasion in the GW1..to bad we did not do the job back then....Gabriel address that too.
Then they wonder why we are worried about the surrender group.
yeah too bad we didn't finish the job. then we could have experienced the joys of the 4 year insurgency and grunge at the same time.
billy- my step mother was in THAT attack as well. no doubt that made it easy for her to decide to get the hell out of tower 2 when the first plane hit.
darwin- like Ronald Reagan said the government isn't the solution, the government is the problem. eventually, in a decade or so, you'll realize those words hold true for our involvement in the middle east as much if not more than they do for the welfare state and domestic beurocracy.
....."my step mother was in THAT attack as well"......
What the hell is that? Some type of cry for sympathy? Does she know you support the vermin that wanted to kill her? Did you send her a card today?
Well Mohammed Lester bin Lyin, I had two friends that were also there that day. They didn't make it out the second time around.
Say a prayer of thanks to Allah you don't live in my neighborhood.
I wonder if lester has a girlfriend.
I'm thinking if he does, she looks an awful lot like a goat.
Nasrallah has said he wants the west annihilated. Yeah, we should support him.
Seriously, guys, stop feeding the anti-Semitic sick f#cking moonbat already!
I'm with J on this one... this guy is a sick f#ck of the highest order.
"the same people who told you iraq would be a cakewalk."
Lester,
Care to provide the source? "Cakewalk", I have heard this for so long, I still don't know WHO said it or WHEN!
Wasn't it Frank Gafney.
Don't know if anyone said that ... could be another leftwing urban myth. They're pretty popular these days.
No, it was said by this guy:
Ken Adelman, formerly an assistant to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they've become much weaker; (3) we've become much stronger; and (4) now we're playing for keeps."
Actually ... he was right. Saddam's military was demolished and Iraq was liberated fairly easily. The problems came after the battles with the Iraq military.
Ah....no it wasn't anyone that mattered it was a WAPO reporter named Ken Adelman who said: "I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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It's true actually. Demolishing Hussein and his military was indeed a cakewalk.
But... if you read right after the quote...."Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they've become much weaker; (3) we've become much stronger; and (4) now we're playing for keeps."
Well one would simply have to tell Mr. Adelman that:
1) The first time we hadn't left them to dangle after promising liberation and failing to give it, by bowing to libtard media pressure and pulling out leaving ya'll to be slaughtered.
2)They were left for years to in fact grow stronger... a-hole.
3)We are nothing but a paper dragon owned by our terrorist friendly media.
4) No we aren't. It should have been over in a week, that it's taking longer makes most Americans bored and when they get bored they move on or get angry at things they don't understand.
Jinx... 1,2,3....
You guys owe each other a coke.
Cakewalk...hmmm.
Hmmm as in "I love cake"?
Not Hmmmmm.....One ashole said it. I, a civilian in every way knew this shit wasn't going to be a cakewalk on the same order I knew Katrina was going to be a clusterfuck.
That person should have been the president, who should have told us the truth going in.
Jenn...you are a bad girl.
I's bad, I'm bad, I know it.
But facts are Kitty, we were told the truth as it was known at the time.
And was it really false.... I don't think so...Reading Bridgette's book, very eye opening.
I'm still waiting for the FBI to arrest Rockefeller for treason.
I do not believe we were told the truth at the time.
I can not speak to the issue of your up coming guest, as I haven't read her book, and I don't know any thing about her, other then the most superficial reading I get from Dave's post.
"I do not believe we were told the truth at the time."
Then one can only conclude the the democrats in Congress are idiots and can be mislead by George Bush, who they call an idiot.
So if the democrats are so damn stupid, why hasn't the President been able to push thru every piece of legislation and judge that he wanted?
What's that? Oh ... they have selective stupidity.
jenn- adelman isn't a reporter. he's a think tank guy and cheney advisor. I don't think reporters are allowed to offer opinions like that.
jonathan- are you a stalinist? normally if you disagree with someone you argue with them. what are you afraid of? how am I an anti semite? nasrallah never said that. besides, I'm not some big hezbollah supporter, i just support lebanons right to exist.
"I don't think reporters are allowed to offer opinions like that."
What world do you live in? They do ... all the time.
The democrats in congress were led by Lieberman, at that time...
"The democrats in congress were led by Lieberman, at that time..."
Uh ... no. But so what if they were? They all do what they're told? "Yes master, we obey your command."
when you say it's going to be a cakewalk, that means IT is going to be a cakewalk. the WHOLE THING. no one who read that in 02 said "hmmm yes the invasion portion of the war WILL be a cakewalk and the rest will take 4 years".
the message of the column was that the war would be easy and cheap and what kind of jerk would stop us from helping those poor iraqis
Um, in fact Bush made it very clear it was never going to be a cakewalk. Many times....
"We are planning a broad and sustained campaign to secure our country and eradicate the evil of terrorism," Bush told Americans four days after Sept. 11, 2001. "You will be asked for your patience, for the conflict will not be short. You will be asked for resolve, for the conflict will not be easy."
jenn- that's really disingenues however you spell it. first of all, in that quote i could easily argue iraq was not a legitmate part of the war on terror. the first time we went to iraq we didn't even know who al queda was.
second he is talking in very vague terms about terrorism itself, not the iraq war specifically.
when you say "liberating iraq is going to be a cakewalk" people don't look at that and guess what are the 90 ways it could be interpretted 5 years from now. It means the WHOLE THING will be easy.
and it wasn't just that guy. wolfowitz said "we are talking about a country that can finance it's own reconstruction and fairly soon" rumsfled said "it could take 6 weeks, I doubt 6 months" or something like that.
we were all here in 03. that it didn't work out like that is not necassarily their fault, but they did seem to believe it was going to be easy at the time.
So what's your point lester? Hindsight is great and should be made available before people make decisions?
Arguing this is pointless.
Bush & Co. sold the Iraq Invasion as a cakewalk, then after the Invasion, Bush & Co. said it wasn't going to be a Cakewalk. You're all flipfloppers.
Bush & Co. have always been masters of the big lie, then stating the obvious.
So much for the flowers and the candy, the dancing in the streets, and the liberation of women in Iraq and throughout the middle east.
Right on ya rightwingers!
"Bush & Co. sold the Iraq Invasion as a cakewalk"
Kitty ... some guy wrote his own personal opinion about going into Iraq. That doesn't mean crap, except to you who neatly proceeded to spin lies and fables.
Good job ... and you wonder why we question your motives and rationality.
darwin- the point is they thought it was going to be a cakewalk because they had no clue about the middle east or war as none of them had ever lived in or learned anything about the middle east or served in a war. if they had done either they never would have invaded iraq, which did nothing but give al queda a massive boost and a deluxe training camp. a 4 year jihadist college.
There is no "they" in "cakewalk". It's attributable to one person.
The actual war/invasion part went superbly. The decisions made afterwards are questionable. However, you speak with the benefit of hindsight.
Package it, sell it, and you'll be wealthy.
Well I can say wholeheartedly at no point did I personally think that..
A) This would be a cakewalk.
B) This would be over before the next commercial break.
C) That it was going to be pretty.
D) All of the above.
Hint, the answer is D.
But Jenn, you backed the people who said it would be a cakewalk, did you not? This is a question, not an assertion...
Uh..... seeing as I have/had no clue who this Adelman dude was then no.
And it's not "people" I backed, it was the fact that sitting on our asses and not responding to the threat that I supported/support.
Aldeman is one of the people responsible for this war.
darwin- as ai pointed out, it was not one person but many people who implied it would be relatively easy. yes, only one SAID cakewalk. they didn't get on tv at the same time and say "it's going to be a cakwalk" I mean come on man. GENERALLY speaking there was not the idea that we would be there for 4 years. obviously NO ONE would have supported that
"The actual war/invasion part went superbly. The decisions made afterwards are questionable. However, you speak with the benefit of hindsight."
that's not logical at all. first, you are STILL claiming the war was a cakewalk. have you been asleep for the last 4 years? it's been hellish. second, I am not saying it with the benfit of hindsight i'm saying on principle that these people took it upon themselves to ignore eveidence that the WMD stuff was fake AND ignored eveidence that Iraq was going to be hell post war and they decided to wing it.
they gambled and lost. there has to be a penalty for that
My comments speak for themselves and were clearly stated.
yes. you support the state even when it makes no sense to do so.
No you shit sucking fuck wad of worthless camel dung... he supports AMERICA even when it includes scum sucking cunts like you.
Pardon my french.
Well, it's easy to support the things you like and agree with. The whole point of sacrifice, at least in this country, is that we even fight for the right for people to disagree. Even the rightwing, grizzly-old-vets in my family believe that much.
jenn- you are embarassing yourself.
Lester...don't make me have to agree with Jenn...you fake.
mudkitty- so what? she's stil defending a beaurocratic mistake as patriotism.
Yeah, but you don't have to be such as ass about it.
I know...people are dying.
brigette gabriel should enlist
Well ya got me there, cuz she does look rather fit. And she could really give 'em heck.
she's very masculine
that's mean. sorry brigette. but yuo should stop fluffing for the neo cons. they are like headed for the crapper literally and figuratively
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