This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Here in WA (or is it THERE since I'm still in Canada), we have The Evergreen State College. TESC, as it is often abbreviated, is often referred to as Marxism U. Even the newsmedia here acknowledges that it is left of center.
A few years back, they voted to have Mumia Al-Jamal speak at their Commencement. He did so via tape recorder as the scumb bag cop-killer is on death row.
A famous student at TESC was Rachel "Flathead" Corey.
VW
Of course there is a liberal bias in colleges. They foster critical thinking and they are smarter than the toothless wonders on the right.
...smarter than the toothless wonders ...
No one wants to hear about your family reunion, cocksucker.
Has anyone who made a difference in the way the US lives or works come from any of those colleges? I dont think even any actors or actresses have come from them.
Most actors and actresses have never gone to, or graduated from, college.
The only saving grace concerning this news (and every word of it is true) is that once theses poor idiots get into the workplace their eyes are really opened.
Like omoron, they believe they have been taught to think critcally. Not true! To think critically you must have all facets of an issue. These are never presented in these schools. They are given a rote response to every issue. It will always be a marxist stance, an EMOTIONAL response.
Hence, when a dissenting view is brought on campus they will react violently. There is no reason in this response. They do not see the hypocrisy in denying to others what they claim they are expressing. Free Speech!
If Marxism is what passes for "critical thinking", then it has a lot in common with what passes through a goose.
O-moron is so devoid of any original thought. The definition of critical thought on college campuses today is what follows the party line. It's how good little Marxists keep out of re-education camps and gulags.
Say or write something that remotely challenges them and they will do all that they can to besmirch the messenger.
VW
There is and always will be Liberal Bias in our colleges. And it is our responsibility as parents to explain to our kids that "THEY DON'T NEED TO TAKE THEIR TEACHERS WORD FOR IT" hey I don't like the Indoctrination going on in our schools but if we try to silence the teachers then our kids get the wrong message. We always say we want fair and balanced. So it is the parents job to allow and encourage their kids to do their own research.
God Bless,
waah mean liberals making fun of us. we don't like being outnumbered, it offends our mob mentality. waaaah.
worse things have happened to better people.
Also, I was in a band in college that played a show at Bard. They don't do homework and have like one paper a year and it's like REALLY expensive
Jason, it's not a matter of silencing teachers. The question should be, "how do include all ideas to an issue?" That should be the whole point of having a well rounded education. The ability to see all sides of an argument/issue and come to your own conclusions. Hearing only one side of an argument is not teaching - it is indoctrination with a captive audience.
Another thing that concerns me about these so-called educators, is if a student brings up a dissenting viewpoint, or worse still, writes a dissenting paper, their teacher/professor punishes them by failing them. Never mind the merit of the paper itself, or even if was well presented, if it departs from the prof's viewpoint then it is dsmissed and the student suffers in their GPA.
I also love hearing stories of students threatened and ostricized by their peers on campus if they happen to hold conservative/christian viewpoints/values. How inclusive is that? Hypocrits!
Maybe the faculty should use that donation money to send a poor kid to college.
OT - but still in the realm of tolerance vs intolerance:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle2426314.ece
To me this is an INCREDIBLE story! Incredible because what this person is pushing for is punishable by death. Very brave!
I went to my state college after HS and was bored off my ass. After my time in the canoe club, I did my degree(s) in the UK. The big thing I notice here is the emphasis of getting students to think for themselves. There are no brownie points for "class participation". We had 2000 word essays to do every week and had to formulate our own arguments.
Uncritically spouting off what some academic said, even if he/she was your own lecturer, was considered fairly infantile. In the states, on the other hand, it seems like you have to pick a side and roll out all their arguments like they are the new Messaih, with your nose right up their ass.
The big, big, difference I see is that many US trained students don't get that you don't have to agree absolutely with what someone has to say. Because of this, these disagreements get pretty emotional. See Moveon.org for examples.
Nicely put, Kris. My question to you: Is it still the same over there? I keep hearing stories of Academics sacked or censored because they pose a critical thinking question that is perhaps politically incorrect, or worse yet, racially insensitive. I also hear stories that they are taking things out of the curriculum - Like Trafalgar and Sir Winston Churchill.
What say you?
ahhh, the difference between what they teach kids in schools and how it's done at university.
There is a real division here with education and it's very much tied into class- although the labour government has tried to get rid of it by attempting to make it all shit.
The PC brigade are in force at the school-kid level. This is because they went to former polytechnics (think community college- which now, thanks to Blair, have been granted "university" status)and aren't up to much other than telling everyone how to live and think.
The proper universities (don't ask me how I got in) are based upon the Oxford model and you are treated like you are a fledgling academic and expected to do your own research.
The trouble in the US and now here, is that it is expected that all kids go to college unless there is something wrong with them. Labour want every muppet in college because they hope it will keep them off the streets. Trouble is, not everyone is suited for high academic life. These new universities specialise in dumbing it down for the masses and cheapening the qualification.
It is a pity because people think that their degree in media studies from the university of the Holloway Road will get them a nice job. It's the biggest, most heatbreaking scam going- particularly if they've funded this bullshit with a student loan.
Then they Labour Party (you remember, all the polytechnic graduates!) wonder why British people don't learn trades anymore and why all plumbers etc come here from eastern Europe.
Great point, Kris! I think it used to be (in the UK) that unless you were suited for academia you had to leave school at 16 to learn a trade. This used to considered honorable. Too bad they've wrecked that system.
they have wrecked it. And BTW, I wish I'd become a plumber after the nav. Do you know how much they make?! And they run their own businesses.
Kids in England do still leave school at 16 Wit, then they can go to "trade school or "college", and if they finish that they can go to university.
yeah lets monitor what schools teach to make sure it's properly patriotic. nothing totalitarian about that
Whe nthe fuck did I or anyone here say that you worthless son of a motherless goat?
Hey, hey now, there's no reason to be that hard on goats.
orion: "They foster critical thinking and they are smarter than the toothless wonders on the right."
No asswipe extraordinare ... they're telling kids what to think, not how to think. Where the fuck have you been? Under a rock? There should be NO bias at schools.
Sorry Billy (Goat) you are right, the goats are the innocents here.
Lesturd is a maroon!
I would actually like to see some basics brought back to the classroom. It's amazing how dumbed down we've gotten over the years.
Check this out:
http://www.freerepublic.com/
foru...85e7b435ce6.htm
It's been out there before, but I thought it apropos here.
I remember reading letters of Civil War soldiers and even the lowliest private was eloquent in his writings and prose. People neither speak nor write like that anymore. Tis a pity!
God lester are you really retarded or do you just play stupid particularly well?
You miss the point of EVERY damn conversation you jump in on. Oh and by the way, the government ALREADY monitors what we teach in our schools, just not in private ones such as most universities are, so don't act like that is so out of the norm.
No one hear is asking for government regulation, we are just commenting on how indoctrinating the institutions are to ONLY one point of view. That in not supportive to education at all.
This ought to scare ya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y...h?
v=yZMgIKZUvFQ
Actually, it made my blood boil!
I meant college in the American use of the word.
And Lestard, you couldn't get into a media studies course on the Holoway Road if you tried.
Muppet.
Wit
Amy Proctor got it right- they're a bunch of ADD attention-seeking idiots.
I believe you're right, Kris. Thanks for putting it perspective for me.
And it IS San Franfeckistan, right?
(Did I get that right, Miss Jenn?)
Yup you got it Wit.
Looks like many here could use some 'edumacating.' It's not hard to understand that for a government to control the masses, keep them dumb and afraid. Demonizing educators is a sure sign they are afraid of people learning the truth.
Jonathan said "No one wants to hear about your family reunion, cocksucker."
Lol! See, the level of intelligence here is pretty scary! South of the Mason-Dixon line per chance?
orion,
I suppose you'd canonize educators like Ward Churchill since you seem to consistantly parrot his bile.
Keep it up, if ever I doubt whether or not I'm on the right side of an issue, I only need to read your comments to allay those doubts.
We need people like you around orion, after all, someone has to be the idiot.
light bulb orion: "It's not hard to understand that for a government to control the masses, keep them dumb and afraid."
Wow ... you finally understand the democrats plan. Control what's taught to them, make them dependent on government and threaten that if the republicans win they'll take all their entitlements away!
I knew one day you'd see the light. Can you now see what almost 50 years of welfare and shitty, liberal schooling has done?
Far more people are 'educated' on Fox News every night you moron.
"Far more people are 'educated' on Fox News every night you moron."
Can you just once ... say something that isn't a moronic fucking left talking point? Just once? Do you have a fucking brain? Yes? No? Maybe?
Make the effort to do research on your own please, you're growing awfully, awfully tiresome.
Guess he doesn't listen to my show.. seeing as I don't watch Fox news every night nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh.
Nice to see the fighting Sage Hens (Pitzer) among the group. It's a very liberal college; that's the reason I chose it. But the other Claremont Colleges are much more conservative.
dave
Dave are you saying you didn't go to Anarchists Anonymous College? Wow, shocked to the core.
She is right about the BS thats all they have in these placers of higher brainwashing espeialy U.C. BERKELEY and U.C. SANTA CRUZ
No Jenn, I've tried. It's just loony right wing fringe stuff. Too nasty, hateful and scary/
kids are liberal by nature when they arein college because it's the first time they are away from home. you aren't going to want to sound like your dad when you are trying to bang hot sorrority babes. It's a rite of passage. the treachers have nothing to do with it. i had a friend who was part of the campus ministry when i was in college. It was him and like 4 people. everyone else was out partying.
Good Grief! Both lesturd and omoron can't quite grasp the concept that having all sides of an issue presented is what education (university level) should be. This nonsense of giving only one side of an issue - whether left or right - is not challenging to young minds. It's merely force feeding.
I still believe that all education should be wrested from the gov't and privatized. Get rid of tenured teachers and the NEA.
Elementary and middle school should only deal in learning the fundamentals (i.e. reading, writing, math, science, geography and history - with music and a language thrown in). Critical thinking can begin in high school - with all sides of an issue brought in so children can begin the process of debate and exploring the merits or lack thereof of every topic.
In other words, go back to how school used to be taught before idealogues got hold of it.
Just take a look at the 8th grade test I posted a link to. I know I couldn't pass that thing!
South of the Mason-Dixon line per chance?
South of your mother's pany line, f#cktard.
It's a very liberal college; that's the reason I chose it.
Is that where they "taught" you that the UN supercedes our Constitution?
Is that where they "taught" you that the UN supercedes our Constitution?
Jonathan
LOL! I remember that! The only thing scarier than that is this is what cancels out my vote.
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/
200...bias.html#links
guys, there are some muppets in Englandistan that need a slap. Remember Jenn's BBC bias post?
college is the time for experimentation
Too bad they don't get to experiment. They just have a fixed worldview shoved down their throats with no room for other voices to be heard.
yawn!
looks like a clear correlation between intelligence and political leanings.
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