This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Brainwashed ain't the word ... I'm really not sure what is. Totally indoctrinated, no ability to think for themselves at all.
I wonder if they're any relation to orion.
What kills me is that theseworthless little American hating scum don't even realize how indoctrinated they are. They actually think they are "free thinkers".
these kids are so brainwashed and indoctorinated they resist their brainwashing and indoctorination!!
Did you note that the little shits call themselves the. "Student Workers Club". Is that a salute to the Socialist Workers.
Look. I don't care if they don't want the additional "under God" or if they don't want it at all. maybe the Pledge belongs in a different time- but for fuck's sakes- "a pledge to diversity".
"We didn't think it was fair for the whole school to have to listen to it. It's almost religious oppression,"
Which religion is oppressing you dear?
STOP THE INSANTIY
I wonder if they protest as much about mandatory muslim prayer rooms and everything stopping for 5 a day prayers in their schools or municipal buildings?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Separating the church and state is of VITAL importance - otherwise we end up with 'religious' run governments like in the middle east (most of the fundamentalist Muslim countries) and I for one am SICK TO DEATH of people mentioning God in government.
Jefferson promised no state interference in church and implied THE EXACT SAME THING IN RETURN.
Now I don't give two hoots about this 'one nation under God' thing because they're just words. Those kids WERE just indoctrinated sheep doing something they thought was 'edgy' and 'rebellious.'
More's the pity - it's important to MAKE SURE the Christians as well as the Muslims KEEP THEIR NOSES OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
Christian values determine how ONE MAN lives HIS LIFE. They have NO RELEVENCE to how a government should be run.
And I hate to say it, but most Christians are hypocrites anyway. It's like none of them read the f**king bible in the first place. Jesus said a few things: "Judge not lest you be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" which REAL Christians should remember, think about and OBSERVE.
Jesus said to love everybody. Fred Phelps is out there saying: "Hate is good!"
The bible is the two thousand year old historical version of the Di Vinci Code. It has some interesting thoughts, some good general philosophy and an interesting view on history - but it's a BOOK.
In the time of space-ships and gene splicing, we should not LIVE by the rules of a book. Especially not one crafted, censored and edited by the Catholic Church - the biggest money making machine in the world.
Many of those who follow 'the lamb of God' are sheep themselves.
Me? I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I live my own life based on Christian philosophy - but my interpretation of the bible is different (read SANE) than most of the evangelical right.
It's about LOVE and UNDERSTANDING and ACCEPTENCE people, not hate and 'fags' and intolerance.
Hate to say it, guys, but Jesus was the historical equivalent of a wise, pot-smoking, truck driving, public-school educated, hard working carpenter. He spoke quietly but his words carried great meaning.
Most modern Christians? They shout loudly and most of what they spout is hate-filled bollocks.
I would one day love to meet a Christian who lived the way Christ did. A peaceful, tolerant, wise and caring man. THAT would be a Christian I would shake warmly by the hand and call a friend.
Roland, have you met a Muslim that lived the way Momo did? Oh yeah you have they are strapping bomb vests on at every occasion...
We try to emulate the way Jesus lived, we are destined to fall way short.
While I may cuss like a sailor, drink like a fish, and fight like a boxer, I still believe in Jesus Christ, I believe he died on the cross for our sins and I'll go to my grave believing in God.
I don't judge people based on appearance I don't judge anyone, I submit opinions, I submit arguments about why the behavior of liberals and Muzzies alike are wrong.... My opinions do not equate to Judging it equates to what I believe is WRONG.
In the end all will be judged and if I'm sent to hell for my beliefs, so be it, I'll be in good company....heaven will be full of Muzzies and liberals???? I think not..
BTW Jenn, I gave you an award... see it on American and proud
"It's about LOVE and UNDERSTANDING and ACCEPTENCE people, not hate and 'fags' and intolerance."
You have no idea what the bible is about ... most people don't.
"I would one day love to meet a Christian who lived the way Christ did. A peaceful, tolerant, wise and caring man. THAT would be a Christian I would shake warmly by the hand and call a friend."
That's virtually impossible because even Christ said it was difficult for him to fight temptation. You're confusing an "ideal" with reality. Christ never expected anyone not to fight what what they believed in, or to scarifice themselves as sheep to a slaughter to their enemies. Christ even said that his appearence on earth would bring war, death and destruction ... not peace.
You should focus your hatred and anger on those who are destroying your homeland vs people in the US who one day will be all that stands between them and YOU.
A side note: who's running that academic institution anyway? The administrators and the teachers? Or the students?
What a bunch of linguini-spined cowards. That's what you get with empowering children and treating the school like a democracy and giving them a voice in how it's run.
"Separating the church and state is of VITAL importance -"
Sigh ...
The intent, was not to have state church, which would grant government dictate over peoples choice of worship ... if any. A state church would also be influential in other matters of government and worst of all, would be powerful.
The intent was never to cleanse government or it's officials of religion.
There is no church/state separation, although I'm sure if Geek shows up he'll argue that there is.
See there should be and isn't "state sponsored religion". It does not however mean that religion cannot be in the government at all. Poppycock.
My money spends just fine with the words "in god we trust."
Oh and Robert, I am very, very, very flattered. It really means a lot to me that you think so highly of my writing.
Darwin and Robert have both answered Roland. There is no separation of church and state. It's a myth - it's made up. The 10 Commandments hang in the chamber of the Supreme Court.
Most of this nonsense is a farce and the ACLU is pushing most of it. Most schools and other entities fold with a mere letter from the ACLU. The ACLU generally doesn't have to go to court over these things - the threat accomplishes it for them. There's actually two pro-bono law groups that fights them 24/7.
As for these dipsticks - THIS s why I want the government OUT of the schools and to privatize ALL schools. I also want the NEA broken and destroyed.
Then again, I want the ACLU and CAIR broken and destroyed. George Soros too!
http://www.conlawgeek.com/2007/0...-of-separation/
More later...
So then Geek ... you agree, there is no separation of church and state per se, at least as rigid as groups as the ACLU propose.
Darwin,
Are you asking me if I think there is no separation or if I disagree with the ACLU?
I would agree with the latter but disagree with the former.
Besides, it is already unconstitutional pursuant to the Free Exercise Clause to be forced to recite the Pledge and I would argue it's a broader First Amendment issue for schools to compel ANY speech.
It may be a pretty radical position, but I'd argue that students who do not wish to learn evolution (say, someone who believes in creationism) can not be compelled to do so.
The same issue that brought me into constitutional law (the public school religion cases) brought me to libertarian thinking in that I am an ardent advocate of privatizing eduction, if only for these reasons alone.
Federal involvement in education? Yuck. Let the Kos kids stick that concept up their statist collectivist asses.
Jenn, OT a little but you need to give that award to a couple of your fine readers.....
You do have a couple of mighty fine folks commenting here...and more than your share of morons, you can keep them.
It may be a pretty radical position, but I'd argue that students who do not wish to learn evolution (say, someone who believes in creationism) can not be compelled to do so. Geek
Evolution IS the left's religious doctrine and it is compulsory. This, for them, is not even up for debate. If there is no room for debate you are no longer teaching, you are indoctrinating.
I also wish the gov't hold on education to be broken. The whole system is broken and we are turning out a bunch of indoctrinated morons.
School teachers can't even identify who we were trying to gain independence from on Independence Day! One teacher responded (and she was POSITIVE on this answer!) that we were gaining independence from France in WWI!
THAT is the product of our public school system!
Wit,
Did you see the post from Jonathan a few days ago?
Grrrr....
I don't think you can teach anyone anything they don't intrinsicly wish to learn! Try teaching Family studies to fourteen year old Mennonite boys who will be leaving school in two weeks and then will be forever waited upon by the females in their lives!
In the schools I've attended and taught in in Canada (not Serbia - that was definitely a different story), I have not seen anything tolerated that even came close to a "you must follow this - this is the only way" mentality. Both evolution and creationism were presented to us, along with the arguments for each, and we were free to make up our own minds based on what made the most sense to us. This is what I would consider best practice in teaching.
I can remember having a science teacher who must have been in "P.E.T.A", for all the rhetoric that was coming out of her mouth. Now, I myself am a vegetarian, but even I found her ranting and raving and broad generalizations very off putting and quite untrue, and I was not the only one. She ended up being disciplined.
With regards to the "Independance Day" teacher, well, there are morons in every profession, that doesn't mean it applies to everyone!!
It'd be nice if teachers can teach the subject they are paid to teach and leave their political and personal views at home.
So basically, what you're saying Darwin, is that state and church (via 'in God we trust' and the ten commandments hanging up in the supreme court) are inextricably linked.
Historically, maybe. But for the purposes of modern American society - bollocks.
That would imply the USA HAS a state religion - non denominational judeo-christianity. Now I know you might hate muslims, but there are plenty of buddhist, hindi, seik and athiest Americans who would disagree with what you said.
America is a country in which religion and state are and should always remain seperate. And as long as that's the case, I'll be a hipocrite and shout: God bless the USA.
Roland: "That would imply the USA HAS a state religion - non denominational judeo-christianity. Now I know you might hate muslims, but there are plenty of buddhist, hindi, seik and athiest Americans who would disagree with what you said."
I have no idea what crap you've been taught or learned. The damned intent of that particular phrase in the 1st Amendment was to prevent the formation of an OFFICAL church of the United States of America, not to prevent religion in government or prevent displays of religion by government officials.
I'm sure at the time that was written the thought never crossed their minds that anything but a Christian majority would ever reside in the US. It's still a Christian majority and our government isn't barred from reflecting that exept by the most twisted interpretations of the 1st Amendment.
There's is nothing that says you're guaranteed freedom from religion, and a rendering of the Ten Commandments is only "state sponsored" religion in the eyes of the ACLU. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that having the Ten Commandments or any other "Christian" item displayed constitutes state sponsored religion.
The various churches have no control over any branch of our government and the government has no control over them. What fucking more do you want?
Get over it.
Boulder and Denver aren't really part of Colorado. Boulder is an annex of San Fransisco, and Dimver is a suburb of Mexico City.
It's absolutely ludicrous to think that having the Ten Commandments or any other "Christian" item displayed constitutes state sponsored religion.
Darwin
You should say Judeo-Christian, as at the time the Ten Commandments where given there were no Christians - only Jews.
You're right. Thanks.
"The various churches have no control over any branch of our government and the government has no control over them. What fucking more do you want?"
Nothing. That was kind of my point!
In mitigationf or my earlier words - had a run in with a few 'Christians' who made me gnash my teeth.
I should have listened to what Jesus would have said: Don't judge the faith by the faithful.
What kills me is that theseworthless little American hating scum don't even realize how indoctrinated they are. They actually think they are "free thinkers".
I think you summed it up right there.
I encourage all the "free thinkers" I encounter to visit www.thereligionofpeace.com
Thinking I'm giving them another source of propaganda, they will go and see some facts... I hope. 
As far as I'm concerned my liberties as A Christian and an American are under assault everyday by these ACLU attackdogs and the brainwashed bratty little snots who are offended by the mere mention of God's name.
If you don't believe in God then getting offended by his name is insanity at it's finest.
The only person I'd consider a sane Atheist is one who doesn't get offended by the mention of God's name.
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