This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
lets not forget about all the private jets being used by Gore and other moonbats to promote this bullshit propaganda
Just because its good for you the little people to do doesnt mean I need to lower my standard of living. In fact now that you little people are saving more energy there's more for me to use - Al Gore
Now THATS the inconvienient truth
Another little "inconvenient truth" that surfaced the other day is, THE POLAR ICE CAP ON MARS IS MELTING.
Huh who'da thunk it!
Here's my take on Al Gore winning the Oscar:http://specialagentutah.blogspot.com/2007/02/gore-
wins-oscar-still-bore.html
I'm surprised that he has a bill for natural gas at all, seeing as jamming a hose up his ass should yield more than enough.
Al Gore has never had to work a day in his life. He was groomed from a child to follow in his fathers footsteps ... Al Gore Sr, Senator Al Gore Sr., close friend of Armand Hammer ... the first -- and only -- American capitalist to be awarded the Order of Lenin.
No hypocrisy,
He's been staying up late practicing the macareyna(whatever) for his oscar last night. BTW, Did anyone think he wouldn't win?
Hollywierd has a new celebrity... Step aside 'kitty. 
Didn't he win the Oscar for Best Science Fiction flick? 
What if his per square foot costs are lower than the average American home because he is able to operate his obviously larger home with more efficiency? It's not implausible to suggest that.
Comparing straight usage is silly because the homes aren't comparable. Of course, the people who drafted this press release as a "touche" obviously don't know much about analyzing real estate. That I know quite well.
There are more than enough reasons to kick the guy in the teeth. We may be reaching a bit on this one.
But Billy, how is MANKIND melting the cap on Mars? Wow we really do have one helluva impact on the universe.
From Kyoto to the lastest UN report ... all this global warming hysteria seems geared towards more government control and of course ... sucking more money. China and India are exempted from Kyoto. Only mainly Western countries are actually affected. Hmmmm ... hogtie the industry of the west while freeing everyone else.
Gore apparently was chosen to lead the hysteria because lefties actually think he cares ... little do they know.
I mean c'mon ... A Nobel and Oscar? He should have been kicked to the curb long ago. He;s become the high priest of the new left.
Let's see - 20 rooms, 8 baths - let's say the average house has three baths, and six rooms. Fit three homes in his mansion, and the costs are still six times that of the "average" home.
Nope, nothing to see here...
Math time!
Al Gore:
10,000 sf home.
18,400 kWh/month divided by 10,000 = 1.84 kWh/month/sf
Me: 1,100 sf home
408 kWh/month divided by 1,100 = 0.37 kWh/month/sf
1.84 kWh divided by 0.37 = 4.97
Al Gore's Nashville home uses 5 times the juice as my home per square foot.
This doesn't include the homes he has in Arlington, VA and Carthage, TN.
Uh... I'd say the Gore's carbon-rich lifestyle is significantly more than the average American.
Let's not forget that he has failed to use available green energy and his planes and ground transports are not exactly carbon nuetral.
But ... Gore buys carbon offsets. Lefties make offerings at his altar now.
I hear that AL GORE has three homes and none of them have solar power and and are no hybrids in his garage and none of his private planes are rubber band powered
he should be more like Merlin and walk everywhere - JHC
Uh... I'd say the Gore's carbon-rich lifestyle is significantly more than the average American.
Works for me.
I sense a great bit of irony here. This past weekend there was a 400+ comment-post on what started with the right trying to defend against the calls for pro-war hawks to enlist and serve in Iraq. Now, given the chance to attack, the claws are out demanding and ridiculing this guy because he doesn't vow poverty and ride his bicycle around the world.
I guess you all are anti capitalists? And how interested are you in the fuel usage of your GOP brethren?
"Now, given the chance to attack, the claws are out demanding and ridiculing this guy because he doesn't vow poverty and ride his bicycle around the world."
I don't care what he owns or what he uses. I do expect him to abide by the guidelines he expects others to follow.
"I guess you all are anti capitalists? And how interested are you in the fuel usage of your GOP brethren?"
They aren't preaching the end of the world and sea levels rising 20 ft by tomorrow.
I'll admit this is a tough one for me. Sure smells like a little hypocrisy - though I certainly won't pass judgement on what Sean Hannity or his mouthpieces on this site claim.
I feel Al Gore let a lot of people down after the 2000 election fiasco. He made some claims to keep a tab on GWB, but I hardly heard from him until this film. How much of that was his silence, or simply the MSM ignoring him - after all, he wasn't running for office anymore or already a President starting illegal wars or getting blowjobs from interns...
WS, you vile pile of refuse....I did not, in fact say anything of the sort.
I called the left, as I do on this post on their blatant hypocrisy.
Do as I say not as I do.
I don't talk out of my ass. My recycling bin is filled ot over flow capacity....my garbage can has about 3 banana peels, and some other assorted rinds in it each week, which I bag and bring to the local compost pile. I use minimal lighting and use energy smart appliances. I use drive a fuel efficent car, use recycled canvas totes at the grocery and walk anytime I can rather than ride.
I am active in several local habitat conservation groups, an by active I mean, my ass is out there walking trails and citing assholes, and protecting endangered nesting grounds from idiots.
One needs not take a vow of povery, I live in La Jolla, not exactly the mecha of the poor, but many of us here live wisely, and are active in conservation.
Aren't we being just a tad tough on the guy that invented the internet? Talk about irony, sheeesh
Funny and not funny Billy. I am sick and tired of the liberal hyposcrisy being downplayed in the extreme.
Take the fucking Oscars last night....how many of those leftard Hollywierdians took their $70,000 totes and donated them to charity?
The flowers, the food? The power it took to light their extravegant parties.
Don't fucking feed me a god damn line on how I am supposed to live my life when you have no IDEA.
Jenn,
Thanks for clearing that up - hard to see where I would of got that idea.
Do you believe there is a human-made climate change issue we need to deal with?
Jenn,
Highlighting algore's exagerations I don't believe is an attempt at downplaying anything. I believe it exposes him for the three dollar bill he is.
Middle class folks in Hollyweird make a living off of flowers and food.
Yes, Billy, he's as 3 bucks as it gets.
WS....Well, I can't rightly say, and niether can a single one of us. Why? There are so many reasons.
1) None of us, to my knowledge, are scientists.(Many of whom disagree on this topic.)
2) The Earth is a old soul...she'll be here long after we have "wiped each other off the face" of her, and was here long before we were on it.
3) Do I think humanity is a scar on the planet? I certainly do. That San Diego does not require mandatory recycling disgusts me on so many levels I cannot count them.
4) Tempature fluctuations have occured as far as we know, through out time. In the 70's global cooling was the cause du jour.
5) If Al Gore gave a shit he'd go green... he doesn't, and he hasn't, and he won't. Going green requires some sacrifice.
6) Frankly, humans thinking they can have such a huge impact on Mother Earth seems slightly absurd and overly egotistical to me. Sure we've wreaked havoc on ecosystems and habitats worldwide. We've been solely responsible for the decimation and extinction of so many species, I can not keep count.
But....that is no different than what has happened in the past. We weren't around when the dinosaurs became extinct. Life lived through warming trends and ice ages.....life in some form will go on long after we are gone.
But, again.. I'm no scientist.
Does it need to be to that level of excess Kitty? $20,000 bucks for a couple of flower arrangements at one party of many? I mean if these are the people who are the supporters of the poor, downtrodden, the environment, the earth.... I see little to no sign of it.
CO2 levels have risen 80 ppm in the last century. Whether that's sufficient to cause heat retention is up for debate. Solar heating is another factor. Volcanic activity also contributes massive amounts of water vapor and CO2.
It also seems extremely difficult to find any information that is objective and doesn't immediately blame a 80 pppm increase in CO2 for a minute temperature increase.
There's no question that we should be good stewards of the planet we live on, but we should also approach such matters logically and without the hysteria that's been on display lately.
There are many skeptics of global warming being a man made cause. All scientific voices should be heard. The recent attempts to silence critics only leads one to believe that other actions are in play.
WS "I sense a great bit of irony here. This past weekend there was a 400+ comment-post on what started with the right trying to defend against the calls for pro-war hawks to enlist and serve in Iraq. Now, given the chance to attack, the claws are out demanding and ridiculing this guy because he doesn't vow poverty and ride his bicycle around the world."
you are correct, only the irony comes in his criticizm of everyone else who
does the same thing! What a putz.
Now I conseve as much fuel as possible and only drive my 1993 Suburban 4x4 when the wife has the 2005 Yukon XL. And we only turn on the AC when it gets above 76... OK so we live in the high desert where it doesn't get below 85 at night in the summer ,but our heart is in it.
Bad Gawfer! :P
Don't forget farting cows Darwin.
Jenn, Darwin,
I really enjoy your openness and honesty. And I couldn't agree more about the waste and excess you mention. Actually (and I KNOW I'm going to be blasted for this because of how I've behaved here) I am a scientist. But I'm not a climatologist or earth scientist. I do know that the vast majority of those scientists do beleive humans are responsible for the trends in global warming. Yes, there are a few who disagree - and have a minority of scientists previously been proven correct - certainly. I think a lot of the disagreement comes from the predictions for the future - how bad and how soon things will change.
I agree so much with your points 2 and 3 its not worth picking around at any other. I just wish this was not the political issue it is.
Have a great week - if I don't get back before the weekend (although I probably will try - this is addicting...)
I'm old enought to remember what I think may have been the original 'green' commercial. It was one of a native American Indian witnessing trash being discarded out of a car window. He then turned toward the camera with a tear in his eye. The ad simply stated, if i recall correctly DON'T LITTER.
Since that time I have seen a marked difference along our highways from when I was a kid. The deposit law on bottles has also made a huge impact.
The water quality also continues to improve. Being on the Great Lakes and sailing 2500 miles each year, one can see the difference in the clarity of the water and the amount of visible debris.
I don't believe we are in the midst of a gloom and doom scenario. I think we have made tremendous advances over the last several decades in awareness and application of enviro friendly programs.
I have a hard time swallowing the global warming alarmist line. As I sarcastically eluded to in my first post on this thread, the polar cap on MARS is melting.
I agree, consumption should be intelligently managed through emerging technologies, recycling programs should be expanded, and alternative energy sources should be pursued.
Even if the US were to go 100% green tomorrow, the rest of the world would take decades to catch up. China is a huge contributor to pollution. Russia, Iran, much of Europe, South America, and the list goes on.
Al Gore may be given credit for making people aware, but he is guilty of perpetuating a lie for political reasons, as well as his own personal hypocrisy.
That's all I have to say about that
I suppose one can infer a bit of hypocrisy on our part by saying one doesn't have to serve in the Armed forces of the US to support the war, but in reality, thuose of who support the troops and their effort are not making movies and traveling the world telling you that you have to enlist regardless whether you believe in the cause or not. Essentially, that is what Al Gore is doing. he is telling us we don't have much of a choice and yet, he lives a life of extravagance. It us we who must give up the SUV and the energy usage. Gore reminds me of a few fundamentalist preachers I've known. Do as I say, not as I do. It is the inconvenient truth of his private jet trips and unbridled energy consumption that draws our ire when he is demanding that we all cut back.
No one here is saying the flower sellers and caterers don't deserve a living and that the parties and excesses of Hollywood shouldn't happen. Just don't turn around and tell the rest of us how to live.
The only difference between much of the Hollywood A-list and Trailer trash is that the A-list's houses don't have wheels.
VW
VW
Billy,
That's a great post. And I agree with VW. !?!
We're all fucking human after all. Wow. Refreshing...
Jenn, where do you get the " $20,000 dollars for a couple of flower arrangements" bit? Who ever told you that?
It's the GOP who really like to keep florists in business, btw.
Now Nancy Reagan, that chick has single handedly kept the florist industry in Los Angeles flourishing.
Kitty, No one really gives a rats ass WHO buys the flowers. I don't care if your or some hollywood megastar buys a hundred thousand dollars worth of flowers a day, It's your (or their) money!
If Nancy Reagan is singlehandedly keeping 3 florists working overtime, I'm happy for her and the florists.
That is such a trivial thing.
VW
And Thanks Doctor WS.
Although I'm guilty at times of ratcheting up the screech level, Jenn will tell you I usually try to play nice most of the time.
VW
If it is GLOBAL warming why aren't they attacking the global problem such as China and India who have no governmental standards in place. Why attack the USA the most highly regulated EPA in the world?
So how come the only presidential candidate to win an Oscar wasn't the one with the film career?
It's a crazy, crazy world.
Rudy Giuliani for 2008!!!
Thanks Hellpig for bringing me back to reality and showing me clearly why it is and needs to be a political issue.
Yes - China and India are major problems. Suggestions on how I can do something about that?
The US is still, by far, the highest per capita consumer of energy - despite the EPA.
President Bush has weakened many regulations designed to reduce pollution and preserve the environment - be it air, land or sea. His environmental record is abysmal.
"Yes - China and India are major problems. Suggestions on how I can do something about that?"
Yeah ... Pressure Gore the high priest of the religion of environmentalism to address it. It's ridiculous to continue to cite the US which has some of the most stringent emission controls in the world when the majority of the world has no emission control at all.
Many of the regulations you mentioned were altered so companies actually have a chance of meeting the goals. Some of those regulations dated back to the '70's and still hadn't been met.
Activism, any kind of activism these days is no longer a pursuit for progress or improvement. It's big business ... period. Every group has to keep their cause in the forefront to keep the money coming in. That goes for everything from abortion to the environment. Take everything you hear or read with a big ass grain of salt.
Buy a salt block, they're cheaper and they don't waste resources on frivolous packaging.
USA produces 24% of the world's CO2 emissions. That's almost (bit of a stretch, that, but it worked for Gore) the European Union and China combined.
Something's not right about that.
But since my (American) wife puts the radiator on full and then has the window open, I think I can understand why.
Now she's paying British fuel rates, we don't drive as much and wear sweaters instead of sticking the heating on.
Now she's paying British fuel rates
Yeah, that really makes sense. Charge people an exorbitant amount hoping they'll use less. Who gets all that extra money? Why hasn't all that cash gone to developing alternative energy?
People are blind and actually believe that they must pay more taxes and higher fuel costs to save the environment.
As always, high prices really do little to limit consumption, they just put money in someones pocket.
If you want to reduce fuel usage just ration it.
President Bush has weakened many regulations designed to reduce pollution and preserve the environment - be it air, land or sea. His environmental record is abysmal.
His federalism record is on par with the liberals.
Anyway, I think that most environmental matters are better handled at the state and local levels.
There are certain areas where environmental law can be a federal matter (i.e. navigable waterways and perhaps industrial emissions that do have an interstate impact per the Commerce Clause) but for the most part, I don't care much for its meddling.
And AL GORE owns OXIDENTAL PATROLIUM and he produces lot of HOT AIR just by keeping his mouth flapping
Oh..... does this mean we can call Al Gore an "oil croney"?
Gore's mother owned stocks in the company, but that was a long time ago.
What are you guys? Anti-capitalists?
There's a lot more to the Occidental/Gore connection than just that kitty. Had you taken the time to research it you'd know. But since Gore has become the high priest of the new socialist movement, enviromentalism, and he's a democrat ... who cares? Right?
What are you guys? Anti-capitalists?
Nope...anti-hypocrites. I thought you were, too. I didn't realize your tolerance level for hypocrisy went way up when it was a leftard who was the hypocrite. My bad.
Does Occidental even exist in the same form anymore? Not really. BTW - how many republicans owned the same stock?
Oy vey, as they say.
I guess you all are anti capitalists? And how interested are you in the fuel usage of your GOP brethren?
The GOP aren't pushing a doomsday "we have to change our ways" agenda.
Al Gore is rich, and like 100% of ALL Americans, he is free to spend his money where and how he wants... BUT if he's going to TALK green he should WALK green or he's just wasting his words and our time.
BTW - how many republicans owned the same stock?
How many Republicans are forecasting the end of the world unless we stop consuming oil, like Gore's doing? Don't be stupid.
Gore doesn't really want us to stop using oil ... he merely would like to see government control of it's usage and score obscene amounts of money by taxing it even more than it is now.
It's a mucho grande scam.
Peruse at your leisure for some informative GW info.
http://penraker.com/
"Gore's mother owned stocks in the company, but that was a long time ago."
Anyone else notice how ShitKitty's lack of knowledge is almost as astounding as Al Gore's hypocrisy?
Al Gore's father owned the shares of Occidental. The shares are still part of the senior Gore's estate and controlled by it's executor, Al Gore Jr.
Maybe next time ShitKitty can hip up and do her own homework.
Maybe next time ShitKitty can hip up and do her own homework.
That's just crazy talk. The next thing you know, you'll be asking her to base her opinions on facts instead of reflexive leftard talking points!
yes it's sick that he doesn't practice what he preaches. however have you thought about all the people he's influenced? for example, my life and the lives of my friends were altered.
not to mention he pretty much gave liberals knowledge to challenge obnoxious conservatives in denial.
what's wrong with thinking preserving the earth for future generations is a family value? or are you crazies still in denial?
So what stocks do you all own? Gossips.
Anybody remember a company called Harkin? The company that the Bin Laden's bought in order to save W's...well, like you all say, do your homework (the sound of rightwingers wiki-ing, googleing and now the new conserwiki...)
Do you guys really want to go there, stock for stock? Tit for tat?
Do you guys really want to go there, stock for stock?
Sorry, toots, but we're not going to let you change the focus from the hypocrisy you were trying to defend. Nice try, though.
You mean the company that one Bin Laden invested in via his broker, James Bath? That one Bin Laden, who is not a terrorist?
Max: "not to mention he pretty much gave liberals knowledge to challenge obnoxious conservatives in denial."
And just what knowledge might that be?
"what's wrong with thinking preserving the earth for future generations is a family value?"
Nothing. We should manage our resources wisely and do as little as possible to damage our environment. However, going hysterical over select information without having all of the facts is playing right into the Goracle's hands.
Leftists seem to think that every "bin Laden" is a terrorist.
You know they said kids in Europewere having frickin' nightmares about it? I mean, COME ON!!!!
darwin
" Leftists seem to think that every "bin Laden" is a terrorist."
They dont realize that osama is ostrosized by 95% of his family. Or that there are members of his family that osama dilikes so much they have to hide from his hit squads to stay alive.
We know all that, for god's sake. Bin Laden comes from a large family, so 90% of his family, doesn't mean the same as it does to you or me.
Jeez...I'm still waiting for one, just one of you guys to tell me something that I don't know.
"Jeez...I'm still waiting for one, just one of you guys to tell me something that I don't know."
Maybe you can explain to us, since you're a leftie, why lefties would comment that they wish Cheney had been killed.
crotch rot
Family to the mussies means EVERYTHING. Size doesnt mater, if even 1 member of the family speaks out against another member it brings shame on the WHOLE family. So to have 95% of your family against you in a mussie family is a VERY big deal.
I think WMD is inadvertently making my point.
If your point was that the Bin Laden family member who invested in Harkin through an intermediary, who is in fact now dead, was not a Osama fan, then yes, he is.
"I'm still waiting for one, just one of you guys to tell me something that I don't know."
Already done:
"Al Gore's father owned the shares of Occidental. The shares are still part of the senior Gore's estate and controlled by it's executor, Al Gore Jr."
Try to keep up.
The majority of shares of Occidental were owned by his mother. And anyway, can any single one of you answer any of my questions? For example...where is Occidental Pet today?
Those shares are in a trust that Al "high priest" Gore oversees.
Occidental Petroleum is right here:
http://www.oxy.com/
"Occidental's oil and gas operations are consolidated in three core areas - the United States, the Middle East and Latin America."
"The majority of shares of Occidental were owned by his mother."
If that's ShitKitty's assertion, under her own insistence, the burden is on her to prove it.
Or, maybe it falls under her logical fallacy rule of being unable to prove a negative.
The shares were owned by his Poppa! In fact Daddy was on the board.
"After leaving Congress, he resumed the practice of law with Occidental Petroleum Company and became vice president and member of the board of directors."
When Al Gore Sr. passed away, Al Gore Jr. gained control of the stocks. Nope... not Momma Gore.
Gonna admit you were wrong on this one? Because you are. (chirp, chirp)
New term for hypocrites of Gore's ilk:
Chickengreen
Their new motto:
Conserve as I say, not as I do.
I suppose you all travel as much as the Gores. I suppose you travel as much as all your GOP presidential candidates.
"I suppose you all travel as much as the Gores. I suppose you travel as much as all your GOP presidential candidates."
No one else is preaching the destruction of the earth either.
BTW ... How's that Occidental site working for ya?
crotch rot
" I suppose you all travel as much as the Gores. I suppose you travel as much as all your GOP presidential candidates."
Whats your point? He tells everyone else to cut their comsumption but he doesnt have to because he is spreading the BS? by the way I flew more than 150,000 miles last year. All commercial, what a pain.
No one is predicting the end of the earth. Scientists are saying that natural global warming is made worse by man, and that we need to take action to reverse the trend, which if left unchecked (to leave something unchecked would not be what I consider a conservative ideal) could be even worse than terrorism around the globe.
I suppose you all travel as much as the Gores. I suppose you travel as much as all your GOP presidential candidates.
You're just proving the point more... They're demanding that WE, (I fly MAYBE once every 5 years) reduce our "carbon footprint" yet they use private jets that suck more jet fuel than most commercial liners and SUV's out the wazzoo...
Why should I listen to someone tell me how to change my life when they won't do the same?
Believe me James, nobody is demanding that you fly less.
"Scientists are saying that natural global warming is made worse by man"
How do we ... just simple humans, reverse "natural" global warming?
Why would we want to? It's a natural cycle. Plus the evidence that man has made it worse is virtually non-existant.
I'm all for keeping our living space clean and healthy for us and the other creatures that we share it with ... but this GW thing has been blown way out of poportion.
It's a money making scam ... more taxes, surcharges and "carbon offsets". The UN is hip deep in this shit. We all know how trustworthy the UN is.
Besides, if things are so bad ... why isn't the Goracle harping about China?
I wonder if our little CO2 increase might not have something to do with a dramatic four fold increase in the world's population in the last century.
World Population Growth
Year Population
1000 275 million
1500 450 million
1650 500 million
1750 700 million
1804 1 billion
1850 1.2 billion
1900 1.6 billion
1927 2 billion
1950 2.55 billion
1955 2.8 billion
1960 3 billion
1965 3.3 billion
1970 3.7 billion
1975 4 billion
1980 4.5 billion
1985 4.85 billion
1990 5.3 billion
1995 5.7 billion
1999 6 billion
2000 6.1 billion
2005 6.45 billion
2006 6.5 billion
2010 6.8 billion
2020 7.6 billion
2030 8.2 billion
2040 8.8 billion
2050 9.2 billion
"Scientists are saying that natural global warming is made worse by man"
Nice assertion, now prove that scientists are actually saying it.
For those who on principle haven't seen Gore's film...etc..
For those who haven't been paying attention. Etc..
Whom...(sic)
Seeing Gore's film and listening to the media is what causes children to cry at nite.
The more scientists that come out and challenge the UN report and other conclusions, the more those reports are updated and changed with less drastic figures.
I've got piles of stuff to read thru before I can come to any conclusion, but right off the bat I can see this GW is blown waaaaay out of proportion.
Gore, the UN and the EU are all using heavy handed, repressive scare tactics.
New data shows oceans cooling
http://www.ocregister.com/
ocregi...cle_1245606.php
"The world's oceans cooled suddenly between 2003 and 2005, losing more than 20 percent of the global-warming heat they'd absorbed over the previous 50 years. That's a vast amount of heat, since the oceans hold 1,000 times as heat as the atmosphere. The ocean-cooling researchers say the heat was likely vented into space, since it hasn't been found stored anywhere on Earth."
Isn't this the exact opposite of what the GW doomsayers are saying?
Again with the cherry picking.
Maybe if I say it one more time ... it's the GW proponets that are doing the cherry picking. If you'd take the time to look around you'd see that. But instead you accept the word of the Goracle and the UN.
How could I do that? Please explain?
Well Kitty, Darwin gave you a scientifc find. It seems to check out. I tgoes against the GW nujobs. It has nothing to do with "cherry picking".
Kitty, I've almost grown fond of you now, can I give you some advice? When you use cute little libtard Kool-Aid catch phrases, use them correctly.
When someone provides a fact, just because it doesn't fit in with your group think libtard mentality, doesn't mean it's not true, and doesn't mean it's not fact. In this case, cherry picking would not apply.
If I were arguing the merits of the Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger, and said, well it has onions on it, and onions are good for you. That, that would be cherry picking.
Jenn, you're always trying to get me to talk and write the way you want me to - that's so Berlin circa '30's of you...but I get it.
*****
But when you say things like "Double Western Cheeseburger"...well, you set my heart a pitty patter. Don't you realize what you do to me?
"However, going hysterical over select information without having all of the facts is playing right into the Goracle's hands."
Darwin-watch the documentary, you prick. anyways, there are various news clips on news.google.com that are pretty convincing; especially the predictions, if there are no climate change interventions, regarding wildlife.
I was shocked to see an article on Drudge today that scientists were at a loss for an answer to why beer was mysteriously disappearing across the US, especially in western states. My heart just about jumped out of my chest and I began to break out in a cold sweat. Then, I realized they were just talkings about bees.
Once the birds and the bees go, what next?
"Darwin-watch the documentary, you prick. anyways, there are various news clips on news.google.com that are pretty convincing; especially the predictions
Eat me max. I'm sure the videos are convincing, but have you done any research to ensure they're accurate?
Nah Kitty.... I'm used to your idiot speak now, but you consistantly accuse people here of cherry picking when you do the same, and when you use a word like cherry picking when indeed the case is not that, then I will call you on it.
"How could I do that? Please explain?"
Uh ... type in global warming plus whatever specific info you're looking for like CO2, water vapor, solar heating etc ...
Disregard any sites that immediately claim GW is man-made and just concentrate on objective reporting.
Take it from there.
Jenn, I expect nothing less.
Of course not, at the least I'm consistant on my calling libtard morons on their shit.
eat me? that's a bit childish, my friend. i've seen a few documentaries and done research for my wildlife biology class. listen, i don't have the facts offhand. i'm sorry if you don't seem convinced by me, but maybe you should ask a scientist.
i was pretty skeptical of graphs that illustrated climate change because it's easy to distorted scales- but the Inconvinient Truth checked out in my mind.- but there it was, the graphics compared 'normal' ice ages and warming periods (the temps & the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere) and at that time, everyone in the audience let out a sigh of disbelief. it was simply unbelievable. the normal warming period did not compare with the modern levels a bit, especially in the past 15-20 years.
so have you done your research or would you like to bust out some talking points? your choice, CHarles Darwin wannabe
and if you're so conservative, detering personal opinion goes against what modern day republicans, Grover Norquist for examle. pretty hypocritical don'tcha think? don't you believe in the 1st Amendment rights? 'eat me' really just sounds like you're quite uneducated..
don't you believe in the 1st Amendment rights?
Sure...and "eat me" was him exercising said Right.
New terminology, thanks to Gore: chickengreen.
You know, calling on others to make sacrifices HE won't make?
How ya like it NOW, leftards?
"eat me? that's a bit childish"
I responded in kind to your initial "childishness" when you said ...
"Darwin-watch the documentary, you prick."
“it was simply unbelievable. the normal warming period did not compare with the modern levels a bit, especially in the past 15-20 years.”
What’s a “normal warming period”?
I've yet to see anything so dramatic in the earths climatic history that is "unbelievable". I'm simply stating what I've seen so far doesn't warrant the mass hysteria that's erupted.
What I do find troubling is the concerted effort to silence critics of GW and the quickness of the “herd” to accept anything that spews from the orifice of the Goracle.
Lastly, why do you have a problem with anyone challenging the legitimacy of the UN’s findings?
The GW scam in action:
Climate Panel Recommends Global Temperature Ceiling, Carbon Tax
http://www.voanews.com/english/2...-02-28-
voa2.cfm
darwin
Do you think we could get the govt contract for the giant air conditioner unit they will require once the temp gets higher than they want?
Sure, all we need to do is hook a cooling unit to the Goracle and chill all that hot air he blows out.
ANY Government that thinks it can "manage" mother nature is being wholly irresponsible.
Evidence can be drawn from MANY examples throughout history of governments "preserving" nature only to have it blow up in their faces.
Man is a creature that feeds off of ego, and to believe WE are culpable for the total warming of the planet, or that we can somehow "manage" the global temperature is just moronic at best.
Darwin, are you troubled by Nasa's attempt to silence scientists that produce evidence that supports global warming theories?
to be honest, a group of scientists from many nations pretty much does it for me. however the quote, 'just because a million people think it's a good idea, doesn't mean it's a good idea'
so what do you base your arguement on? just personal experience? 'i saw this today, it snowed and i don't think global warming is something to be worried with?' because you know, the melting of the poles (and a mere 2 degrees temperatures rise) will raise the ocean levels around the world.. you wouldn't want your lovely twin towers to sink would you? and why do scientists, groups and countries- which remain independent of eachother- and come up with the same conclusions bug you?
i'd like to add that i have no problem with you challenging the facts, but you might as well have some of your own... not just your experiences
-cheers
How about this? Looks like Dubya's house is more eco-friendly than Gore's!
“are you troubled by Nasa's attempt to silence scientists”
No … it wasn’t an attempt to silence anyone. NASA prefers anyone proselytizing not use NASA as venue to portray their views as the official views of NASA. That guy is free to tell whoever he wants what he thinks … he is not however, free to exploit his NASA position when doing so.
In the same vein, aren’t you troubled by politicians who threaten to relieve state scientists unless they toe the global warming line as in Oregon and Delaware?
“to be honest, a group of scientists from many nations pretty much does it for me”
The UN report is not even a report at all. The final report is due in May. In addition, there was no consensus of scientists. The great majority had no input on the final opinion and most did not agree with the summary itself.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1694.../site/newsweek/
“so what do you base your arguement on?”
The simple fact that no one … not one person has been able to state unequivocally that the tiny increase in temperature has been caused by man. In fact, most historical increases in CO2 are preceded by a rise in the earth’s temperature, not the other way around as the GW Nazis would have you believe.
“If you look at the ice core records, you will discover that yes, changes in carbon dioxide are accompanied by changes in temperature, but you will also discover that the change in temperature precedes the change in carbon dioxide by several hundred years to a thousand or so years. Reflect on that. And reflect on when you last heard somebody say that they thought lung cancer caused smoking. Because that is what you are arguing if you argue on the glacial time scale that changes in carbon dioxide cause temperature changes. It is the other way around,” Carter testified.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/
2...rming120706.htm
“because you know, the melting of the poles (and a mere 2 degrees temperatures rise)”
Even the most ambitious report will tell you if the current trend continues you’ll only see less than 1 degree of increase. Everything you believe has been greatly exaggerated.
Start researching yourself. The UN and it’s horde of political scientists are trying to pull a fast one. All you need to do is look around.
“i'd like to add that i have no problem with you challenging the facts, but you might as well have some of your own... not just your experiences”
I’d like to see you challenge with facts, not just your Al Gore movie experience.
Nicely done, darwin!
I'm impressed Darwin!
"Even the most ambitious report will tell you if the current trend continues you’ll only see less than 1 degree of increase. Everything you believe has been greatly exaggerated."
i'd like to see a report on that man. groove. and this horde of political scientists... isn't that a large part of our world that the UN represents?
that's an interesting arguement that CO2 precedes temperature. i'd like to do a little research on that.
i'd also like to point out that Marilyn Manson is my one god, not Gore. thanks have a swell day
"i'd also like to point out that Marilyn Manson is my one god, not Gore. thanks have a swell day"
You speak blasphemy. You must worship the Goracle. He demands it along with a hefty share of your income as "carbon tax".
BTW ... Mars seems to be warming as well. Maybe the UN can tax the Martians too.
http://news.nationalgeographic.c...rs-
warming.html
Gore Buys "Carbon Offsets" From His Own Company
http://www.opinionjournal.com/be...t/?
id=110009730
Now isn't that special?
LOL.... I read that. Cute.
Great find, Darwin!
yeah but mars is red.. so i doubt you'd move there, Darwin. you see, there are communists martians over there. AHH run, communists! and they're just ONE planet away. what are we going to do man?
Darwin my man-
haha blasphemy. big word. i'm going to have to ask my mamma what that means. in the meantime, have funny praying to your god. he likes you, i've heard. just don't say his name in vain, he'll strike you down- at least that's what i've heard. lightning doesn't count.
James- "ANY Government that thinks it can "manage" mother nature is being wholly irresponsible."
that is affirmative. i do believe that no one is suggesting 'controlling' nature. that's nuts man. we're talking about global warming here. it's a gosh darn kalanka lanka fee fi fo fin MORAL ISSUE- in a sense controlling ourselves for the benefit of this mother nature you refer to. not a big deal. it's just the world. dig it?
Well, obviously max ... you're firmly entrenched within the "herd". No need to do any checking on your own, the Goracle has spoken for you ... you must obey and comply.
Good luck in your next life.
yeah that goracle and i, we get along. it's kind of sexual. there is no afterlife... it's just a way for sad people to justify dying. we're all just in the ground, my friend. souls and all. THIS IS THE AFTERLIFE. deal with it, you self-deceived man
Look max .. look past all your preconceived notions about religion ... because I'm not, as you apparently think, talking about any religion except yours.
The "Goracle" is your messiah, the leader of your new religion ... environmentalism. In case you haven't figured it out ...
Gore + oracle = Goracle. Man you're slow.
Ah, so you take opposing views off. Nice nazi.
Orion ... run home now, Bill Moyers is looking for his bitch.
Bandwith.
Schnerzledurp!
Going after a rich man's utility bills. Wow. Big news there. Can we see Cheney's?
Going after a rich man's utility bills. Wow. Big news there. Can we see Cheney's?
Is Cheney demanding we all go "green" and carbon neutral?
Nope, he's an oil ,man you dolt. He want us to keep acting like spoiled pigs. And Gore isn't 'demanding' it either.
I read your previous comments bd, but decided to hold my opinion. Now I can't. You're an idiot.
Bow down before your Gore god you foolish simpleton.
Since when did Jenn get all these morons?
Seriously, I lay off the blog for 3 weeks and come back to a liberal infestation. BARF.
Since when did Jenn get all these morons?
Well, Jenn had a post a couple of weeks ago where she was soliciting applications for a new resident moonbat. Since then, the 'bats flocked here like Ted Kennedy to a Happy Hour locale.
Smooth move Jenn 
I know, I'll take myself out back and kick the shit outta myself later.
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