This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Satire huh? Neat ...
I wonder if he got that from that stupid ass Amanda Marcotte bitch.
"Hey Amanda, shove some hot 30mm depleted uranium rounds up your ass and rotate bitch"
"Say what? Oh no ... don't take it that way ... it's only satire!"
Kos is light years ahead of the mentality of those at this sit, including you (except me, of course).
So original of you to jump on Bill-O's bandwagon.
Pot=Kettle
Orion ... you're the only person I know who isn't eligible for the "satire" defense.
Your shit just don't make no sense son. Try moving to Iceland ...
Bill? I don't fucking watch Bill. Not with any regularity. I got this from a friend of mine.
KOS is a mentally deficient consortium of mental midgets barely capable of wiping their collective asses everyday. Thanks for cementing your idiocy.
This is so typical of Libturds, I was about to right an email telling this sheethead that he is a Traitor but of course like I found out, there is no such ISP by that name kind of like I figured that it would be just by looking at the name, but I was willing to give it a try, on the chance that this Libturd just might have the balls to go along with his idiotic comment.
But no such luck, it figures though because like all Libturds always say things in anonymity because they're a bunch of scared chicken shit little cowards like Orion who is scared that if he put his site down those of us might end up getting on his case.
"Other countries pay taxes, but they get something for it, like health care. What do I get? I get to kill a bunch of Iraqis."
You paid 35% before we went into Iraq and are paying 35% now. Sounds like the war is 'free' to me. Me thinks that the military isn't the only place where our tax money goes. If that's what you thought, then go back to school.
I knew I should have proof read that before I pushed the publish button, used the wrong word for Write. Huh oh well.
Frznagn,
That is what I thought too, but then again the way these Libturd schools are they only indoctrinate them, it wouldn't have helped him at all.
O'Moron
Satire? Kos "light years" ahead of me and other here?
Why don't you, Kos and Deb bloody Frish just get bent, you humourless asswipes.
What passes for "humour" amoungst you dingbats takes my breath away.
I thought little JarADD was a leftist one off. I never in my wildest dreams thought he was representative of your best and brightest.
Silly me.
Jenn said: "KOS is a mentally deficient consortium of mental midgets barely capable of wiping their collective asses everyday. Thanks for cementing your idiocy."
Lol, and this site is the pillar of intellectual discussion. Look, any idiot can leave a hateful post on a message board. It doesn't reflect the site itself. Kos' site is well managed and researched-and you know it.
Har. De fuckin' har-har.
I could write something very crude and crass -- that would happen to be very TRUE -- but I shall avoid, at this point, stating the obvious that Jenn clearly understands.
BZ
It is clear to see that Omoron is a Kosack plant here.
orion,
any idiot can leave a hateful post on a message board. It doesn't reflect the site itself.
While I tend to agree with the first statement, the second one is only true if it is comments to the post. These are not. These are articles posted by sanctioned contributors to the site. These vile, hateful and often violent post are not some random commenters spewing vitriol. These are the people that the DailyPOS has decided to let post its main articles.
It will never cease to amaze me how the left claims to be tollerant, understanding and compassionate, yet they show themselves constantly to be the exact opposite. They quickly resort to insults, attacks and threats of violence at the first sign of disagreement. They cannot argue their points intelligently so they attack. They cannot provide supporting facts for their statements, to they try to diminish their opponent, not their point.
I really need to dig through my post and find my list of Liberal 101. It so fits.
As much as I disagree with it, it is good satire. Sorry, but what are you gonna do, say it's poorly written when it's not, because you don't agree with it?
I could do without the jokes on the gay sex, sure (that's not something I needed to think about after all, ick.) But the skull thing was richly ironic, and sorry for my sick sense of humor, but I found it funny.
And let's face it, they do sort of take a part of his paycheck to pay for something he doesn't agree with. He would be right about that except that he also supports high taxes for healthcare. This shows that he is a complete moron and a hypocrite to boot.
But he's a liberal, they can't help it I guess. Hypocrisy is what they do.
wow, is this guy for real ???
Our government clearly supports the troops. So much so, that they ordered to have one of their own Army Rangers murdered in cold blood, so as not to come home and alert you blind-faith neocons that the war is indeed an illegal and unwinnable one.
Better yet, after the murder, they covered it up and concocted a "friendly fire" incident, but only after the original "heroic" story was proved false.
But you guys don't really know who Pat Tillman was, or what he ended up standing for once he realized that Bush's wars were propagated bullshit based on a false-flag terror attack on 9/11.
It's time you all start opening your eyes and stop spewing these bullshit neocon press releases that you've based your lives around.
That's right, the name was Pat Tillman. Look it up. Learn something.
Psycho Pete: "So much so, that they ordered to have one of their own Army Rangers murdered in cold blood, so as not to come home and alert you blind-faith neocons that the war is indeed an illegal and unwinnable one."
You're a sick pup. So much so that I'll let your rant speak for itself.
I thought this site was AGAINST politically correct b.s. ? yet you are all sanctimonius over a thing from the internet.
so you're against politically correct bs when it suits you
Concerned Citizen said: "They quickly resort to insults, attacks and threats of violence at the first sign of disagreement. They cannot argue their points intelligently so they attack. They cannot provide supporting facts for their statements, to they try to diminish their opponent, not their point."
OMG! And that NEVER happens right here does it? Again, Pot=Kettle.
Wake up.
.
Lesturd,
I thought this site was AGAINST politically correct b.s. ? yet you are all sanctimonius over a thing from the internet.
A thing from the internet, yes a thing that is a bunch of bullshit much like you Lesturd.
Lesturd your a fucken idiot.
Pete your the same old Treasonous Traitor that you have always been.
Omoron,
Our threats? Since when do they come anywhere close to those on the left like what is on a post below.
Here is a quote from one of you leftists comrades in bullshit:your a sick, hateful Anti-American cunt, you deserve to be executed, I fuckin mean it, you dirty fucking traitor.
Come on, I am waiting for you to dispute that sheet head leftisits.
Have any of the so-called Liberals actually read the entire wording of the First Amendment...or understand what the Founding Fathers actually meant...or understand that if said Founding Fathers were around today that the Libs would be hung for treason?
Maybe if Mr. A. Whitney Brown paid a visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Centre, Bethesda Naval Hospital, Brooke Army Medical Centre, or, better yet, actually spoke to a Veteran he would better understand what our Troops receive as payment in return for his precious tax dollars.
Since when does slandering our Troops during a time of war pass for "satire", unless someone is only interested in their 15 minutes of fame...or infamy?
Veritas et Fidelis Semper
Well as I understood it, they were fighting for our freedoms, which includes freedom of speech. I don't agree with the writer, not by a long shot, but hanging people over dissing troops?
If that's the attitude you have, Deborah, the soldiers should stop fighting now, because apparently the freedoms they're fighting for aren't supported by the very people who propose to support them.
And if I may weigh in on the debate that "liberals/conservatives are hate mongers," every side has their assholes. The left has Al Franken, the right has Ann Coulter. And bloggers are no different. You have good ones and then you have assholes. Neither side is exempt. I think we can all admit that.
Robert M.
And if I may weigh in on the debate that "liberals/conservatives are hate mongers," every side has their assholes.
I am not talking assholes, I am talking about threats and Treasonous actions. If you can't read what that lefturd said about Jenn, then I must admit that your just illiterate. There has been no Conservative on any sites that have used that much rhetoric anywhere.
The left has Al Franken, the right has Ann Coulter.
You compare Ann Coulter to Al Frankinstein, you are way the hell off base.
Show me where Ann Coulter has hit another opponent come on I am waiting for this hilarious statement.
I'm not going to even comment on Orion, Lester, or Pete other than to say what a bunch of fucking idiots.
Robert, the reason many of us find this jackass's rant so offensive is that it's TREASONOUS. As in giving aid and comfort to the ENEMY. If you can't understand that, then I don't know what else to say to explain it.
Jim C
lester: "I thought this site was AGAINST politically correct b.s. ? yet you are all sanctimonius over a thing from the internet."
Huh? Calling this has been on his last gasp for attention is definitely not politically correct. I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.
Pete-Everyone knows who Pat Tillman is retard. The left just hated that he turned down a million dollar contract to go to Afghanistan. But you guys hated that he was a hero and you just didn't want him to die a hero. I love how the left wants to micro manage this war. They care more about getting Bush than the fact that Tillman died a hero.
I guess the family has a right to know but what's wrong with not knowing,hes' gone either way.
Oh, I think it's time to stir the pot...
They quickly resort to insults, attacks and threats of violence at the first sign of disagreement. They cannot argue their points intelligently so they attack. They cannot provide supporting facts for their statements, to they try to diminish their opponent, not their point.
And the use of terms like treason, traitor and slander passes off as intelligent rebuttals? I don't think so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ex_...x_Parte_Bollman
Political speech, no matter how brain dead it is, is not nor ever will be treason. Period. End of discussion.
The slander and traitor arguments are just as deficient. I'll leave it at that since I have no interest in addressing those points further other to express my complete disdain for them. People who know me know why.
Robert hit the nail on the head, although it's not surprising that libertarians would pick up on the taxation hypocrisy, especially those familiar with Lysander Spooner.
Ah yes, the treason argument. Interesting. Yet I wonder, if we were still at war with Somalia, and one had called it a stupid war, would he be a traitor then?
Or how about the Republicans who opposed the Second World War? Traitors?
It's always the same. Whichever party started the war supports it, whichever didn't opposes it. And whoever opposes it is a traitor. It becomes tiresome.
Free speech is not treason. To suppress it, that might be treasonous.
And Ann Coulter doesn't hit people, but she's still an asshole. And a little crazy.
I don't disagree with your position condemning the writer, but treason? That's unreasonable.
Robert M.
Guess what Robert M. The Republicans who did oppose the Second World War were not the Republicans of today, they were more along the lines of the Paleocons the George McGovern Republicans of the years gone by.
Also which would fit along with many of the idiot Libtards of today, oh but Germany Didn't Attack us.
It's always the same. Whichever party started the war supports it, whichever didn't opposes it. And whoever opposes it is a traitor. It becomes tiresome.
Ahh you mean like the Libtards who started the Vietnam war and then placed the blame for that war on the Republicans but subconsciously forgot that they were the ones who started it.
Free speech is not treason. To suppress it, that might be treasonous. Ah yes I wonder what party that would be since they are the ones who are trying to close down free speech with their bullshit agenda on the fairness doctrine and Jesse Jackoffson with his bullshit about if you don't include the Rainbow Push Coalition by threats of lawsuits.
I'll give you the definition of Assholes that would Be Al Franken, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackoffson.
For you to call Ann coulter an Asshole only means that she hurt your wittle bitty feelings oh my I'll get out my violin.
Robert: "And Ann Coulter doesn't hit people, but she's still an asshole."
Sorry to differ ... but Coulter is no asshole. Rarely, if ever has the left ever had any response to her other than to personally attack her.
Geek should like her ... I think she's a constitutional law attorny.
"Free speech is not treason."
Yet calling someone treasonous is free speech.
Kinda akin to calling Bush Hitler I suppose.
Geek should like her ... I think she's a constitutional law attorny.
darwin
She is - She should also be a lesson on how to shut down the libturd assault machine. Instead of going on an apology tour (aka George Allen) she just laughed in their collective faces and said: "Yeah - So?"
she was so unrepenent that all you heard was crickets after that!
I also hate to say it, but the jerk in the column does have a right to say what he did. I may not like it - and I'm not sure it raises to the level or treason - but he does have a right to say it.
Soldiers would say that they hate what people say, but they would give their lives for their right to say it.
To clarify about levels of treason, I'm thinking perhaps that this idiot is in no position to influence anybody. What I believe DOES rise to the level of treason would be our own Congresspeople who on a daily basis call our troops murderers and daily give aid and comfort to the enemy by giving them soundbites to use for propaganda purposes. This would include ex-presidents, et al, who go over to these countries to do the same, which in our entire history is unprecedented!
The only thing worse I can think of would be to supply material aid to the enemy.
Darwin said : "Sorry to differ ... but Coulter is no asshole. Rarely, if ever has the left ever had any response to her other than to personally attack her."
Wow, you're so stupid it amazes me you're allowed to exist.
Wow, you're so stupid it amazes me you're allowed to exist.
orion
Were you looking in the mrror when your said that, dear?
Wow, you're so stupid it amazes me you're allowed to exist.
orion
Were you looking in the mirror when you said that, dear?
orion: "Wow, you're so stupid it amazes me you're allowed to exist."
Yeah, thanks for letting me live. I know how you lefties are into euthanasia and all that.
However, since you're feeling so generous ... why not really get me and prove me wrong? If you do, maybe you could convince the LEC (Leftist Euthanasia Council) to revoke my existence permit. Wouldn't that be a hoot!
Darwin, my friend - shame on you! You know that's hitting below the belt since your response is going to go right over his high little head!
Concerned Citizen:
The Left can't even tolerate open-minded Moderates like me, even though I share some of the same views they do! But since I don't think EXACTLY like them, they hate Moderates like me too!
And if I may weigh in on the debate that "liberals/conservatives are hate mongers," every side has their assholes. The left has Al Franken, the right has Ann Coulter. And bloggers are no different. You have good ones and then you have assholes. Neither side is exempt. I think we can all admit that.
Robert M.>>>>
Good thing I'm a Moderate!!!!!
Good thing I'm a Moderate!!!!!
Paul Couturier
Oh no you don't! You don't get let off the hook either, doncha know!
You guys get called fence sitters who can't make up your minds even though there is a plethora of information out there.
You guys get slammed for not being able to pick a side!
Now that you've been included in the hate-mongering society, don't you feel a part of our oh-so-inclusive society?
Phil,
I was just giving an example of party wars. Not neccesarilly comparing you guys to WWII Republicans. And I know Germany didn't attack us, but neither did Iraq. 
Anyway, I'm with you on the war issue, I'm just saying that not everyone who opposes it is a traitor. They have some legitimate arguments.
Also with you on Vietnam. I know my history. That idiot Kennedy started it and that dumbass Johnson made it worse. And it is sad that, as you say, the Republicans are seen as starting it, when that is patently not true.
And again, I agree with you that the liberals like to suppress free speech. But isn't that more the reason for you yourselves to support it? I mean, doesn't it look better for you to condemn all instances where free speech might be infringed? It would separate you from them wouldn't it?
And, finnally, I qoute you as saying:
I'll give you the definition of Assholes that would Be Al Franken, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackoffson
Amen to that. If those guys would all shut up I'd be a lot happier. But I'd also be happier if Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reily, and the rest of them would can it too. But I like free speech, so I'm in favor of letting them say what they want, right or left, and not calling it treason.
And sorry, but Ann Coulter is an asshole. Calling John Edwards a faggot? Calling for bombing civilians? Y'know, stuff like that is kinda nasty. I mean, I hated Ann Coulter even when I was a Republican.
Look at it this way, I agree with you on 85% of what you've said. But free speech is free speech y'know? Not treason.
Darwin,
I understand that one has the right to call them traitors all day. That's free speech too. I don't want to silence anyone.
Anyway, my comments regarding Ms. Coulter can be read above.
Robert: "And sorry, but Ann Coulter is an asshole. Calling John Edwards a faggot? Calling for bombing civilians? Y'know, stuff like that is kinda nasty. I mean, I hated Ann Coulter even when I was a Republican."
In today's world, where people are afraid to speak for fear of insulting any one of seemingly thousands of special classed groups ... and in turn being called a name themselves ... Coulter is a breath of fresh air.
Um what?
It's not a fear of insulting people that makes me not want to bomb innocent civilians...
So you're in favor of that idea then?
RM - Oh please - get a job! We are in a war.
I know people like to forget that, and I dare to challenge anybody to whine about they have sacrificed for this war as people did in WWII for example, but what Coulter was saying is that you can't play this cherry picking game.
I'm all for laying on the Dasisy Cutters on these folks! But what is NOT reported in the MSM is that the Iragi's themselves are sick to death of the carnage that is perpetuated upon THEM - by fellow muslims!
They are defecting in droves to save their own country - and it's about damned time, I might add! Yet, still, all you hear is the daily car bomb thing, killing this number of Iragi's thing.
I'm all for Ann's strategy - especially in Sadir City!!!
Hey witness, FYI, I am NOT a fence-sitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I said I was an open-minded MODERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hold conservative views on some issues, and liberal views on other issues!
No one will ever not know where I stans on issues I have opinions on!
Yo Dude! I was totally making fun of you! Lighten up!
With that vehement response I may change my view and call you a closest LIB! Psssttt!
Robert: "It's not a fear of insulting people that makes me not want to bomb innocent civilians...
So you're in favor of that idea then?"
Are you talking about this quote?
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
In essence yes, I agree with her.
Witness,
The reason we went to war was because the terrorists murdered civilians instead of fighting us fair and attacking military targets. Since you support essentially the same thing, your ideology is the same as theirs. Excellent job. You should mail Osama your resume.
Same goes for you Darwin. You want to bomb the crap out of civilians, and then convert them to your religion. That sounds really familiar. Oh yeah, that's Al-Quaeda style warfare.
Sounds like you guys have a lot in common with the terrorists actually.
And yeah, killing civilians is a really good strategy. After all, in a war totally different from the Second World War, it only makes sense to fight it the same way. And the obvious way to stop creating terrorists, and get those Iraqis to love us, is to kill their families. I should have thought of it sooner!
So you two keep taking orders from General Coulter. Meanwhile, I'll keep my head out of the blood-clouds and listen to people who actually know what they're talking about, like maybe the military leaders running the war.
Just for the record, as the gentleman is more than capable of speaking for himself, MR. Paul Couturier fought in Iraq so is most qualified to speak and debate on that very subject...as are all the Veterans who visit.
As for mine own humble comment, I was not proposing to hang anyone or anything. Rather, was mentioning that if the Founding Fathers were around today that is what would happen to Mr. A. W. Brown. However, I would not object with 18c custom...in the 18c, for those with a possible comprehension problem.
Veritas et Fidelis Semper
Robert implied that we don't: "fight fair and [target] civilians."
Bit of a false premise- especially in post-modern, islamist combat.
But hey Robert, we're not the ones dressing up like mom in a burkah and going to to town squares, scoccer celebrations, schools etc to self-detonate.
Robert: "Sounds like you guys have a lot in common with the terrorists actually."
Thanks ... I'll let you know when I graduate my terrorist torture and beheading class.
I make no apologies for wanting to win quickly and decisively. Had we been more focused from the start, instead of pandering to every leftist group or organization and trying to be "nice", we'd probably have most our troops home by now.
ann coulter has the right to say whatever she wants. but if she can insult widows of people who died on 9/11 out of the blue severals years AFTER 9/11 then this guy can say this and no one has the right to get pissy over it. there are no sacred cows, whether they are soldiers or greiving victims of the worst terror attasck on our soil. deal with it, bitches
Deborah,
The Framers never held central, standing armies in high regard. The Second and Third Amendments are a testament to that.
Whether they would have thought these comments to be treasonous is debatable. Like today, the more big government types of that time (Federalists like Adams) may have. Jefferson and Madison may have disagreed.
The meaning of the First Amendment was heavily debated even then, as the debates about the Alien and Sedition Act should demonstrate.
****Yo Dude! I was totally making fun of you! Lighten up!
With that vehement response I may change my view and call you a closest LIB! Psssttt!
witness ****
I WAS lightened up! Ans it wasn't a vehement response. Do you REALLY want to see me get pisswed off??????
I don't think anyone else could tell you were "making fun" of me either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lester: "ann coulter has the right to say whatever she wants."
Ann Coulter is great ... here's more:
"Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties - provided we're only talking about criminals."
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
"The Democrats have no actual policy proposals of their own unless constant carping counts as a policy.
The New York Times editorial page is like a Ouija board that has only three answers, no matter what the question. The answers are: higher taxes, more restrictions on political speech and stricter gun control."
"The really amazing part, to me, was when Florida made it into the Final Four, the Democrats didn't demand a recount."
"Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening."
"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."
"While the form of treachery varies slightly from case to case, liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security."
I'd like to respond to Witness suggesting I "get a job," which apperently I missed last comment. Anyway, I actually have a really good job, at a newspaper. A writing position, in fact.
And as for Deborah, she may be surprised to know that they don't hire people with comprehension problems at newspapers.
You know Deborah, it's really, really funny, the whole comprehension problem bit, because I kept getting accused of the same thing by a radical nutjob liberal one time. Whenever someone says there's a difference between Republicans and Democrats I just have to laugh.
But since you have Latin at the end of your comments all the time, I'd like to introduce you to another little Latin phrase. Ad Hominem. That means, "to the man," which refers to attacking one's character with possibly unfounded accusations that have nothing to do with the point. Such as accusing someone of comprehension problems, for instance. Anyway, it's a logical fallacy, so I'm not sure why I'm wasting time with it. Moving on.
Kris,
I'm not saying we blow ourselves up in civilian crowds. What I'm saying is that apperently some people think it's a good idea to drop large bombs in civilian crowds. The fact that we don't is what separates up from terrorists. I think you probably misinterpreted my comment.
Darwin,
it's a little late for the quick decisive thing. We already lost that initiative. But more to the point, one can be quick and decisive without killing civilians wholesale. In a war where terrorists recruit people from stories about us killing civilians, do you really think it's a good idea to give them propaganda? And how do you propose to kill people in caves by carpet-bombing towns? You think the terrorists care about their people?
In WWII it worked because we fought an enemy that cared about its populace, not so in this war. But since you like to bring up bombing campaigns in past wars, let's take a look at Operation Rolling Thunder. Now that just worked so well didn't it?
And again, if you and Ms. Coulter have all the answers, why aren't any of you generals? I think it's safe to say that the ones running the war know more about it than you or I do. Since they haven't suggested carpet bombing Iraq, I'm inclined to agree with them.
Gee, all this argument because I suggested we don't hang columnists...
Robert ... I believe you're being just a tad disingenuous to suggest that Coulter or myself would just randomly carpet bomb civilians or kill them "wholesale".
Her point, at least as I took it, is to do what's necessary to win and not let politics stand in the way of military operations. War is just that, war. If terrorist wish to hide amongst civilians and in mosques ... it's up to civilians to understand that they either have to leave ... or make it impossible for the terrorists to stay because they will be in the line of fire. If you take out one mosque, chances are they won't think it's a good idea to hide in one again and expect it won't get hit.
"In a war where terrorists recruit people from stories about us killing civilians, do you really think it's a good idea to give them propaganda?"
Have you been under a rock? It doesn't matter what we do ANYWHERE. If there's no story to write that portrays the US in a bad light the media just makes them up. AP and Reuters have done nothing but spin, omit, fabricate and lie. Our own MSM is a sterling example of HOW NOT to report news. What does it matter anyway? The "arab street" gets nothing but propaganda ... you think these people actually get unbiased news and they just sit home and decide for themselves?
Must be a very comfortable rock.
"And again, if you and Ms. Coulter have all the answers, why aren't any of you generals?"
Why the fuck aren't you? You seem to think you know what's best.
"I think it's safe to say that the ones running the war know more about it than you or I do."
Knowing what's best and having political leaders that allow you to do what's best are two different things.
"Anyway, I actually have a really good job, at a newspaper. A writing position, in fact."
Hmmmmm ... I guess I'll let that speak for itself.
Damnit, I need to find some time to jump into this one. This is finally getting good.
Then why didn't she just say that. The fact is, she doesn't care about the war or you. She's trying to sell books, and power to her. I love capitalism. But the fact is, to sell books, you have to be outrageous. And that's all she's doing, like all political figures, and yes, she's being an asshole. I don't think wanting to drop bombs on civilians is a great idea, because I don't have a book to sell. What I don't understand is why you would agree with something so crazy, when you don't have that agenda either.
And sure, the terrorists will lie anyway. But the fact is, the Iraqis can see for themselves what's going on, and I think if they see proof of what the terrorists say, and no proof of what we say, who will they believe?
As to "why the fuck" I'm not a general, is because I never claimed to understand what would work. You did. What I claim is in accordance with what the generals say, what you claim, against it. Thus my point is valid, because I'm not the one claiming to try something to the contrary, whereas you are.
And yeah, I work for a local newspaper, so to your mind, I must be part of the "liberal elite."
Please. Besides the fact that I'm not liberal, I cover small local stuff from my own county. Like right now I'm working on a story about construction work at a local school. If you can find a way for me to spin something like that please let me know.
Robert: "You did. What I claim is in accordance with what the generals say, what you claim, against it. Thus my point is valid, because I'm not the one claiming to try something to the contrary, whereas you are."
Oh please. The only point that I made and stick by, which is the same point Coulter was making was that war is precisely what the word implies ... war, and to fight it any other way than is ridiculous.
The way any war is fought changes with the siuation, but the premise remains the same ...
"And sure, the terrorists will lie anyway."
I wasn't talking about terrorists ... I was talking about world and US media. Liars, fabricators and omitters extraordinare.
"The fact is, she doesn't care about the war or you."
Uh, I really wasn't worried whether she cared about me or not ... and I can't really say I "care" about her, I just like her writings, her attitude and her common sense.
"And yeah, I work for a local newspaper, so to your mind, I must be part of the "liberal elite." "
I made no judgement, but can you really blame anyone for not having high regard for newspapers these days? Even where I live, high republican base and high military population ... our paper still can't bring itself to actually REPORT THE NEWS and must color and shade or simply disregard to make sure no one can see any glimmers of optimism concerning Iraq, the economy or anything else that may give the edge to repubs. It's just sickening.
Democrats fart however ... and you get headlines like "Democrats Increase Gas Supply".
You get my drift.
Right. You made the same point Coulter was making. And I'm making the same points those running the war are making. So whose point can we assume makes more sense? An author's, or generals'? That's all I'm saying.
And, again, comparing this to other wars. Fine, what about Vietnam. Did carpet bombing work then? Obviously it didn't.
And sure I get your drift. But for me personally, it would be difficult, to say the least, to color my stories one way or the other.
Whatever ... in my opinion she makes a good point, in yours, she doesn't. In your opinion she's an asshole, in mine she's not.
Coulter rocks ...
BTW, I don't assume you're biased just because you work for a newspaper. I can see what you write here and apply that.
ann coulter is a shell of her former self. she used to be a rebel. It's probably hard for younger readers of this thread to imagine, but at one time people like her and bill oreilly were a breath of fresh air in a fog of political correctness that took over in the 90's. They were sort of almost hip. Now they are way past experation. as a result no one discusses the oreilly factor or her columns anymore. they are totally establishment and can't even decide whether they support Bush.
And they lie like hell.
Do you have proof? I'd like to see what "lying like hell" looks like in print. Got any links?
"But the skull thing was richly ironic, and sorry for my sick sense of humor, but I found it funny".
Sorry Robert, I'm still reeling from your "richly ironic" comment and recall what Brits say: -
Americans don't do irony.
That used to slightly piss me off, but I can see their point now.
Well I'm sure they do it better. And probably more intricately. British humor is great.
But no, I thought that was funny. If you pay taxes, you should get something back. The skull thing was a very rude (which I like) way of saying he's not getting anything back from paying.
Though, again, if he's a liberal, he should focus on taxes that go to welfare first. Maybe start in on his own party.
oh come off it, Robert.
It was one of the most tedious, offensive and unfunny flops I've seen in quite some time.
What is laughable is the way in which the Kos kids revere this mediocre crap.
Robert seriously, for once I will do something I've never done. If you seriously think this douchbag was funny. Like Kathy Griffith/Edyy Izzard funny, then you are so off my blog roll dude.
I like funny people. Man I love them, but that shit was neither ironic, satirical nor slightly funny.
The part that really irked me was when he said "I don’t like their fat, whining families". Let that ass sit home while he knows his loved one is engaged in combat and all you can do is hope and pray that you never get that phone call or visit.
Kris,
Is it not funny to you, or do you disagree with it, and thereby automatically reject it? And does it matter to you what I think? Are you your own individual, or is humor to you determined by the party? Think about that for a while.
Moving on.
So Jenn, the ultimatum, finally. How did I know that was coming?
Let me tell you something Jenn. I'm only seventeen, but in my short, short life, I've had a lot of authority figures tell me what I could and couldn't say, and how I should think. They all gave me ultimatums. I said, no thanks, I like being me. Every time I did that, the stakes were a lot higher than they are now.
The thing is Jenn, I know how this works. I was a conservative, remember? Conservatives (and liberals) primarily like to exercise control over others. Libertarians like to exercise control over themselves, and no one else. Ultimatums work in the tiny little world of conservatives vs. liberals, left vs. right, that old tired conflict, but they're simply useless against a libertarian.
Libertarians revere individualism Jenn, the self. A libertarian would rather endure any punishment, die even, than give in to the false authority of force. And he'd much rather die than change his opinion, or pretend to change it, to appease someone else.
And if I'd die for my opinion, do you think I'm concerned over some blogger's petty ultimatum?
See Jenn, politically correct bullshit cuts both ways. You encourage people to state the truth even though the opinion isn't popular, and may offend people. But when someone states an opinion contrary to your believes, ah, that's different now isn't it? Better they should agree with you, or leave your blog, than stick to their opinion in the face of meaningless threats.
Well Jenn, I'm just taking your advice. I'm saying no to PCBS. Only it's your PCBS.
The facts are these. I thought that article was funny. I still think it's funny. You thought it even remotely possible I'd change that opinion just to stay on your blogroll?
That's very disrespectful Jenn. My morals aren't fluid. But I'm not going to disrespect you by fooling you into thinking I've changed my opinion. Better that you remove me from your links, than for me to disrespect you by lying about my opinion. You can boot me off, Jenn, but you won't ever be able to say I didn't respect you, and no one will ever be able to say that I backed down an inch from my position, even under petty duress.
So by all means, remove be from your links. It's the only thing you can do, as a conservative. You'll still be in my links though, because, as a libertarian, I don't judge people based on their political opinions. I just do what I think is right.
17 and on fire like a frickin' 2 year old.
Guess what kid, I was 17 once too.
I had a 'tude as well. But unlike you I LISTENED to my elders.
You are under false "duress"...a "duress" of your own making.
If you are as "Libertarian" as you so want to be... you'd have ignored my comment or responded with a quick clean "piss off". Instead... you did indeed spend quite some time justifying yourself. You still have time to grow before you cast your first vote.
If I judged people solely by their political beliefs as you state I'd have kicked the chick at the dog park reading Obama's book this morning's ass. Lester, Orion, Jay, and the lot would be gone.
What disturbs me is that you would listen to this Whitney freak and think what he said was in any way witty or satirical. Or worthy of anything but an ass kicking. He's emotionally disturbed, sick and the "skull" thing is sick and twisted... and kiddo, I like twisted.
I would only remove you from my links based on a purely human response of disgust at someone who thinks collecting skulls and bullshit in a time of war and shitting on not only our soldiers but their families as well as "wit".
If you are our future, as smart as you are I weep.
9:11...hmmmmm
You forgot to remove my link Jenn.
No Robert, it's boring and stupid.
This is the ultimate test of who's right or wrong.
The idea here is that if you're right, if you are absolutely, 100% correct, you shouldn't have any qualms about deleting a simple link.
But if I'm right, if I'm absolutely, 100% correct, you will, or do, have qualms. And you won't do it.
My link is still there. Deleting it is a very, very simple act to perform, which carries no significance whatever in either of our lives. It's nothing important really, is it?
But then why haven't you done it?
You can use your power as owner of your own blog, a power which I recognize, and delete the link. But you won't have changed my opinion. You can also leave it alone and not have changed my opinion.
Either way, my opinion stays the same. I'm not moving.
oh yeah, Robert
The thing that did wake me from my boredom was that dingbat's, "some people pay taxes and get free health care and all we get are dead soldiers".
How many false assumptions can that jackass get into one sentence?!
Your own implicit presumption that people don't "get it" because they don't agree is typical of the stupid arrogance as to what passes for the left these days.
Tell me: is the sight of American college students burning effigies of US soldiers, "richly ironic" too?
for fuck's sakes.
Kris,
let's get this thing straightened out, ok? I'm not part of the left. I'm not part of the right. I'm part of the south. If you don't get that, do some political spectrum research.
I don't want universal health care. I think it's a terrible idea. The writer is wrong there. I do, however, agree with someone saying they aren't getting anything out of taxes. We never get anything out of taxes. Never have. When did the right leave that idea behind?
The writer's use of rather black humor to convey his point was something I found funny. It's the way I think.
What is my opinion to you anyway? Why is it so important that I see as you do? Why do you care?
Jenn, let me know what the deal is. Force or no force? As I said, my opinion stays the same no matter what you do. It's your move.
It's 1:35 AM in Maine. I'll read the follow ups in the morning.
Robert
Guess what? I don't give a shit whether you are "part of the left" or not.
Nevertheless, I remain amazed at your insistance of attempting to defend the indefensible by characterising Mr Brown's work as "funny" or "black humour". It's an offensive, tedious, based upon false premise flop.
As above, what is laughable is the way in which the Kos kids, and apparantly you, revere this mediocre crap. You kids need to get out more.
What also is laughable is your little "force or no force" hissy fit.
While it is not open to me to speak for Jenn or others, belive me, I don't think anyone cares.
Ouch.
****Kris,
let's get this thing straightened out, ok? I'm not part of the left. I'm not part of the right. **** little bobby
bobby, you're no Moderate!!!!!!!
As a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I found what that dirtbag said offensive! I didn't spend a whole fucking year in the hot deserts of Iraq just so spoiled brats like you and whitey could spew un-American hatred like you guys do! Get a life, and realize that my brothers and sisters in Iraq are preventing more 9/11-type attacks here in America so that YOU and your family won't even have to experience another 9/11!
Got it now?????????????????
Kris,
If you don't care, why do you keep insisting I'm part of it? And insisting I "revere" the Kos (which I hate.)
If there's any writing I revere, Kris, it's Thoreau. If you have a problem with that, I can't help you.
The problem you have is that you are utterly incapable of understanding that the political spectrum is two-dimensional. If someone isn't 100% in line with your views, they must be "left." Because you're "right." What else is there?
Read carefully, I'm trying to explain a simple concept to you, and those are the hardest for both liberals and conservatives.
You know how there's a right and left? Okay, well there's also a north and a south. Got that? And I'm part of the south axis.
Thus I do not "revere" the Kos, and I don't "revere" O'Reily. I'm more into Ayn Rand and Thoreau. Or are they to "left" for you?
And if no one cares what I'm saying, why are you all responding to it?
Hmmmmm.
And, "ouch" Kris? Don't make me laugh. Could we stop it with such foolish comments? I feel like I'm arguing with a three-year old. It's hard to have a debate when ridiculous things like "ouch" come into play. This isn't a boxing match. You're not "hurting" me. And there's no points. Okay? Do you do that in conversation too? Do you sit down with your liberal buddy and say, "if you put high taxes on business, it'll just cost jobs! OUCH!"?
My bet is no.
Paul,
Yeah, uh-huh, nice rant. But being a soldier doesn't entitle you to be right. That would take logic.
I'm sorry dude. I respect soldiers. I know some, and they're good people. But they can be wrong. A lot. And you're wrong. Going to the middle east doesn't change that.
Actually I wasn't even anti-war until a month ago. And I still think it was right to go to war. I only think we should leave because the politicians bungled it. I think the soldiers are amazing. And I don't agree with the author of that piece.
But I guess you didn't know that. Easier to accuse me of things I never thought.
But, I still thought the irony was funny.
Try to get your mind around this one:
I can disagree with something and still think it's funny.
Amazing huh?
So as to my not being a moderate. Are you saying I can support lower taxes, less government involvement, and otherwise just detest the rhetoric of the left, but because I don't see eye to eye with you one one issue, I must be a, gasp, LIBERAL!!!
That's really very illogical. When did you become the supreme decision maker as to who's moderate?
Anyway, nice rant and all, I really appreciate it, but "I'm a veteran!" isn't an argument, okay?
"If someone isn't 100% in line with your views, they must be "left." Because you're "right." What else is there?"
Hmmmmm I think of Kris as on the right, but there are things she and I do not agree with. I don't agree with how Phil says some things. But he's still on the right.
I prefer common sense thinkers to be included on my small little blogroll. I choose to delete your link because I choose to not have someone included who thinks that there is any humour whatsoever in mocking our troops who are putting their lives on the line for us everyday and their families.
It's "common sense" to assume just because someone has an M16 they're absolutely perfect? Right.
Well thanks anyway. You didn't have a choice actually. Either way I'd have won. Either you could use force, or admit being wrong. Neither changes my opinion. I hedged my bet on this outcome, as conservatives don't like to lose face.
It's a good lesson in right-wing PCBS though. Say something negative about the war, even if you're criticizing the government, and you're "anti-troop." No mercy then eh? Reason goes out the window.
Well that's politics. The right and the left want the same thing. Big government. One just prefers fascism, the other communism.
So yeah, nice ultimatum. I agree with you on 95% of what you say, but it's "toe the party line boy! Or you're out!"
Sorry, I don't do fluid morality. I don't play that game.
Bye.
Robert: "Say something negative about the war, even if you're criticizing the government, and you're "anti-troop." "
No, not really ... I think many people have just lost the art of conversation, have little or no tact or diplomacy, and concentrate on how they feel versus the recipients of their words.
This A Whitney Brown clown is a perfect example. He said what he did to prove his "brilliance" to himself, with no consideration of anyone or anything else. Narcissist ... they name is A Whitney Brown.
"they name is A Whitney Brown."
Should be "thy name"
No spelling brilliance here.
Wow, guess you can't read, or you have a selective reading disorder.
I couldn't give a shit if you tow the party line or not. Most of the people who comment here are nothing like me. Jonathan is one of my favorite commenters, and he's a Libertarian. Heck I even keep Lestard around for humour, and he hates America, Jews and loves Iran.
Kid you have a lot of growing up to do. You "fight" with false allegations and misrepresentations. It's a weak way to fight.
Where did I say that just because one has a M16, they are perfect? Wow, I didn't. Nor did I in any way imply that.
I critisize the government. I don't see me throwing myself out. I don't have fluid morality. To me, what Whitney said was indefensible. And people who think is was make me a bit ill.
All grown up Robert said: "Could we stop it with such foolish comments? I feel like I'm arguing with a three-year old".
Snap!
for the avoidance of doubt, "snap" in the UK means: -
What a coincidence, I was just thinking the same thing.
Jenn,
It's the parents I feel sorry for...
Snap girlfriend.
LOL!
" Get a life, and realize that my brothers and sisters in Iraq are preventing more 9/11-type attacks here in America so that YOU and your family won't even have to experience another 9/11!"
how are they doing that? are they petitioning congress to implement the 9/11 commision recommendations? are they letting the iraqis know that America hates BUsh too?
Otherwise I'm not at all seeing the connection between 9/11 and Iraq
lester****Otherwise I'm not at all seeing the connection between 9/11 and Iraq****
Hey lester, have you noticed that since Peesident Bush decided to take on the gutless ragheaded TERRORISTS and fight back, that American has NOT had a 9/11-sized attack on American soil since then????
So who's side are YOU on; America's, or the terrorists???????????
So who's side are YOU on; America's, or the terrorists???????????
That's rhetorical, right?
Nothing rhetorical about it Jonathan. Either you're on America's side, or the terrorists side; there IS no middle ground!
Nothing rhetorical about it Jonathan. Either you're on America's side, or the terrorists side; there IS no middle ground!
I agree, Paul. I was just trying to say that you should know by now which side of the fence Adolf walks on. Hint: it's never America's side.
Ah, now I understand :o)
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