This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
in both cases the government was not needed.
also, here's some shit i just wrote
his remarks about gays reaffirm that he is clueless. the purpose of the speaking engagement was not so we could learn his awesome iranian wayof life. iran is a largely unproductive country that were it not for the microscope trained on it, would be the most non descript country on earth. and he is not interested in the american rat race, for all it's rewards, and importing liberalism to his country. the purpose of the appearence was to stop the drive to war. we have a very isolated, powerful president who is selling us and being sold a line of goods on "iran" that is false. They are different and in most important ways inferior to us (I believe). it is in both our interests to not have more war. president bush is not going to invite ahmedenjad to speak to him personally, much less in oppublic. so the people had to go aruond the government and have this comical, not too enlightening but necassary event
If you read the MSM long enough, you will find someone proclaiming that the "Free Speech Movement" was born in the 1960's buy a bunch of long-haired radicals at Berkeley. The inconvenient truth is that it was born in the 1770's by a bunch of long-haired radicals in Philadelphia.
Furthermore, it isn't idiots such as o-moron, Lesturd, or any other nitwit left-wing troll that guarantees that freedom. It is guaranteed by our armed forces and o-moron, Lesturd and the others aren't worthy enough to even lick the crap off a soldier's combat boot.
VW
Are these not the same bunch of liberal socialitst who try to prevent conservatives from speaking by sending in their goon squads? Liberals are the biggist bunch of hypotcrits around
Haven't you heard? Freedom of speech is guaranteed for liberals only. To them, it's the American way. They know their message is so vile, so repulsive, so hideous ... that detractors must be silenced at all costs. Lying and violence are typical left attack tools. Islam and the left are very much alike ... that's why the left hates the US, and sides with the oppressors.
the idea is to work around nutballs like you and our special educatin president so we can not have to waste more money in the desert. money is no object to republicans but it is to normal people
lester ... is that your hero Buchanan? He's wrong. Iran has been an instigator of terrorism for years. Does everyone quickly forget the British sailors kidnapped by Iran?
If Iran had simply stayed out of Iraq, we wouldn't be at the point we are now. This is Iran's doing.
I still think that Bollinger is a tool, but I will give him minor credit for dressing this asshat terrorist down right off the bat.
Free speech is one thing, but if you look at it the states and Congress have made many laws abridging it and the free exercise of religion. Recently we have even seen efforts to ban so called 'hate speech' at both the state and federal levels. Once again, as darwin noted, if the left thinks the speech is offensive to them or counter to thier agenda, then it is not protected. If it serves thier purposes, then you can say what ever you want.
Randy (aka lester) ... just get back from morning prayers? Or were you on your knees for something else?
Freedom of speech has been expanded and restricted well beyond the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Porn = Free speech
The truth about the totalitarian and corrupt left = Not free speech
the idea is to work around nutballs like you and our special educatin president so we can not have to waste more money in the desert. money is no object to republicans but it is to normal people
Damn! Here is an idiot liberal, who is clearly only semi-literate, questiong the President's Intelligence. Isn't that a hoot?
VW
Special education President, eh?
Let's see. He holds a Bachelor's from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. What two degrees do you hold, randy?
I wonder if Randy can fly a supersonic fighter? On the other hand, I wonder if he could even recognize one? That boy is obviously the brightest bulb in the room.
VW
I'm missing something. When did lestard get outed as Randy?
I don't care what you're called, you're still a fuckwit.
As for the Ph.D fuckwit at Columbia- what a tool. Does he really think the unedited version is going to broadcast in the ME? Wake up. It's going to be cut and edited to make him and the rest of us look like a bunch of muppets.
And who do we have to thank? Well, you expect it out of your enemy- you should't have to expect it from college presidents in your own frickin country.
lester,
Your opening remarks about Iran seem to be the negative image of the shining light on the hill you've been all too eager to promote over the last few months. What happened? Did your fearless leader embarrass you or are there strange cars and helicopters following you around?
Lester for some reason likes to change his name around. Randy is indeed Lestard.
And he's probably one of the most backwards people who have ever commented here.
Iran, a shining light. Tell that to the hundreds of women rounded up daily by the "morality" police.
Boston sucks. Plus there's mosques on every corner. Oh, and Tom Brady is a muslim.
Randy ... thank you for being so honest.
Well, at least some good has come out of the Ahmanutjob visit to Columbia. Hugo Chavez is now saying he'll skip the trip to NY citing "a busy schedule" and his observation that Ahmanutjob was "ambushed". Instead, he's staying at home meeting with Kevin Spacey.
I really don't see the need for fiction writers anymore.
I'm kinda surprised at Kevin.
A truck carrying a cameraman has crashed into a tree outside London, killing the cameraman. The truck was beieved to be following the Batmobile.
See what I mean??????
Yup, me too Jenn. I USED to watch his movies.
randy moss
Holy Shit Jenn this awesome NFL players now
VW,
I would argue that the 1960's First Amendment cases (both on speech and Establishment Clause - although my feelings are a bit mixed on the latter) were really the watershed moments for the level of protection political speech receives today.
It would appear that prior interpretations focused more on the Blackstonian interpretation of prior restraint, meaning you can say something but it doesn't necessarily mean you won't get prosecuted (my understanding is that both Jefferson and Madison opposed this position).
There was a rash of WWI First Amendment cases that resulted in rulings I can only describe as abominations and legitimizing a "clear and present danger" doctrine that ran so afoul of our first principles that one would have to have their head in the sand to find any substantive value to it.
Jesus G you are a little creepy. Just last night I thought, "where is my darling little Don Geekioni?" and wham, there you are.
The post is more about taking personal responsibility for your freedoms than the actual legal precedent for it.
People these days seem to think they can say whatever they want under the guise of freedom of speech without suffering any repercussions.
And I'm not talking about "legal" repercussions,I'm talking about societal ones.
People these days seem to think they can say whatever they want under the guise of freedom of speech without suffering any repercussions.
I was responding to VW's comment on the 1960's. I happen to think the Court finally started to understand that "no law" really does in fact mean "no law".
Of course there will be repercussions. Are you suggesting people don't think that? I don't really follow the idiot brigade as much as I perhaps should (especially given their chances in 200
. Maybe they are bigger idiots than I thought.
The whole idea is, as you said, responsibility. One has to be an imbecile to think that speech will not have a reaction.
We're on the same page but that title's got to go... 
Talk about societal reaction, how bout a geeky ass whoopin.
Bring it bee-yotch.
And you're wrong, I seriously think that some of these people do NOT think there will be repercussions.
Takethe Code Pinko fuckwits. They marched up in San Fran a couple of years ago with a sign that said,"We support the troops when they shoot their officers." Suddenly they found they were hated by many. They seemed shocked.
This young editor is baffled that the newspaper has lost advertisers and people have asked him to piss off. I mean he seems actually shocked.
So actually I honestly think that these days too many people do not give one flying fuck about, nor expect, repercussions and are shocked when they get them.
No one is stopping these idiots from making fools of themselves ... but like Jenn said, they're absolutely shocked when they see that speech can have consequences ... or that people voice their own opinions that disagree with them.
Take the uproar over the MoveOn ad about Petraeus ... No one stopped the ad from running, but lefties were aghast that people voiced complaints over it ... "How dare you complain" they said, "It's free speech".
Clueless then, clueless now.
What MoveOn ad?
---- just kidding
Darwin, I've stated a number of times how leftards don't understand "free speech" when they throw the term out there. You are correct: they think that "free speech" means they can say anything they want without consequences!
Wanna see a leftard's head explode? When you criticize them for saying something stupid and they retort with "Hey, you can't say that to me! I'm just exercising my free speech rights!", follow up "Yeah? So am I!" They'll short-circuit every time.
Geek ... good one.
Jonathan ... same as the word "opinion". I was going back and forth about muslim footbaths at universities (yes, taxpayer funded), and one guy said I have a right to my opinion but "I was intolerant, refused to learn, was close-minded and racist" ... in other words, I had no right to THAT opinion, only a right to his opinion.
the moveon ad from like a month ago? that ad was awesome, it showed what a liar betray us is. he said the exact same shit in 04 that he said now. moveon should get a medal for busting his lying ass.
best ad ever.
Yeah busting his ass before he even spoke. Fuckin brilliant.
Geek, I don't disagree with your assessment, but I would point out that theirs did not start a movement, just the idea that there is little or no responsibility.
There are laws that limit speech. Libel and perjury come to mind.
Be that as it may, the idiots at berkeley are johnny-come latelys.
VW
VW,
More like johnny couldn't cum if they wanted to unless masturbating to Chavez.
Sorry, you got me on an anti-left day. Cherish it.
Did someone say taxpayer footbaths? Don't these dicks know that social engineering and accommodation generally doesn't lead to the desired outcome?
Fatal conceit anyone?
We were on the same page.
"best ad ever."
I agree with Lester. It was the best ad ever. It showed us once and for all that the far-left hates America, they and the rest of the left hate our military. It shows how shallow and the lack of respect for the dedication to the country.
If I have to pick who has dedicated more to the country: a bunch of people that get boat loads of money from a corrupt old ass to take out attack ads or a man that served for decades... I go with the military man. Nay, make that anyone that served a DAY in the military.
neither bush or any of the neo cons have done that so you must have not much respect for them.
and the ad was correct. the guy has no idea what he's talking about. he thought sucess was right around the corner in 04. Time has shown he was at least 3 years off and probably copmletely wrong. I wouldn't bet on his predictions.
Oh, yeah, I forgot that the four star general who is actually boot in the sand on the ground in Iraw, who was actually confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by Congress and who Clinton said was a man of the utmost integrity and experience, has no idea what he is talking about.
Where as lestard and the loony left, who probably could not point out Iraq on a map, have never been in anything close to combat and who fail to recognize that we are in a war for our survival that extends far beyond the narrow confines of Iraq, know the real story.
Moronic, inane troofers.
the right are the ones who never had boots on the ground. bush , cheney, bill kristol, paul wolfowitz. the entire team who sold us the iraq war and not one of them a veteran.
petreaus might be a good guy but he's still the govenrment and i don't trust them.
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