This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Sorry, Jenn.
But Nicola and Hans triggered my automatic gag reflex...
LOL.... come on hot Vegan sex... that's..uh, hot. Don't these people realize we're omnivores? I mean that is FACT.
Hi Jenn,
Carnivore sex off the menu? Geez isn't that being discriminating maybe they should be sued for being so offensive.
Point to ponder:
If meat isn't allowed, how to vegan gay men do it? Kinda hard to be a meat pole smoker if you can't have meat!
That's rhetorical, people...do NOT give me answers that that! 
Uh-oh, I just had a Pink Floyd flashback after the previous comment:
"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"
In the context of this story, however:
"If you won't eat my meat, I can't have any of your pudding! How can I have any of your pudding if you won't eat my meat??"
Carnivore sex off the menu? Isn't that a hate crime against the Aborigines who just might be from a Cannibal Tribe in Papua New Guinea maybe they should at least sued for being so offensive to a minority.
I mean after all if the left can use that same trick against all us Conservative whitey's maybe they should be forced to use their own standards.
Good that Roberts is ok, and CBS is losing money.
Carnivore sex...
The Pink Floyd reference...
LMAO!!!
Obviously these idiots missed basic biology classes. It does not matter the source, the building blocks of the human body are all the same once they are converted from their source.
Further proof that Liberalism really is a mental disorder.
Henry,
"Further proof that Liberalism really is a mental disorder."
No, it isn't. Stop fearing people who think differently than you. It's really not as bad as you make it out to be.
As for being a vegan, who cares? It's a choice. I'm not, but I know people who are. What's the big deal?
Peace!
jay
you were the kid in high school that everyone lined up for their chance to give you a swirly.
I've finally found you after all these years!
Kris,
"you were the kid in high school that everyone lined up for their chance to give you a swirly."
HAHAHA!!! What?
Kris,
What is meant by give some one a swirly?
Now that is one I have never heard of but am interested in learning what that means.
Phil,
It's when you dunk someone headfirst into a toilet and flush.
Ahh I see I feel so old and outdated here, I have never heard of a lot of these new sayings.
Phil,
A swirly is what omoron used to get in junior high all the time, thus his anti-JH references!
Phil,
It's cool! 
I've never actually received a swirly. It sure doesn't sound fun though.
What did kids do to each other when you were in school?
Back in the days when I was in school, we had a place just off of school grounds that was surrounded by large pine trees and that is where the kids would fist fight, and I don't mean get down on the ground and wrestle, no dirty fighting was permitted it was a stand up and box type of fight.
The kids referred to it by saying to someone meet me behind the pines after school and everyone new that there was going to be a rumble.
Phil,
Oh man! That's pretty wild.
When I was in highschool, older kids would always give the 9th graders wedgies. Some kids were duct taped to the wall. That usually just happened to the really small ones though.
We called it snuggies not wedgies
Also back in the days when I was in school the principle also had the authority to spank the living shit out of misbehaving kids. Our principle had a 6 foot long oar paddle with 1 inch holes drilled into the end of the paddle and he made the students bend over and touch their ankles and by the time he would get ready to swing that paddle you were gritting your teeth because you knew that this was going to hurt like a motha fucka.
jay said: What did kids do to each other when you were in school?
Not to each other Jay- just to maniacs like you.
No, it isn't. Stop fearing people who think differently than you. Jay
Oh good grief, ssstttoooooppppp!!!
Not everything is about FEAR!
Do you know you can honestly disagree with someone just because you - well - DISAGREE WITH THEM??!!!??
Kris,
"Not to each other Jay- just to maniacs like you."
Well, I'm far from being a maniac, but good one nonetheless Kris. 
Peace man!
Witness,
"Do you know you can honestly disagree with someone just because you - well - DISAGREE WITH THEM??!!!??"
Yes. That's what I've been doing. I believe I mentioned this in another thread.
Peace Witness.
Jay - you're such a liar! All you do is spout the "hate and fear" line and tell us we simply "Don't understand YOUUUUUUU!"
Well - actually YES! We DO understand you!
And if the halo scan worked on the Brit thread I have a great comeback to your other big fat lie!
AAarrrggghhh! Got it!
Witness,
Weren't we talking about this same thing in another thread?
What did I lie about?
Halo scan? What's my other big, fat lie?
I'm really having trouble understanding what you're talking about here man.
Peace.
Also to add to what I just said, the kids didn't go home later on and piss and moan to daddy saying that the Principle was being mean to me or anything like that back then your dad would have hauled off and smacked you one for being a pansy ass to begin with and then said, you were probably being a brat in school and deserved to get the paddle.
Phil,
Yeah, parents don't seem to take enough responsibility for their kids these days. It often seems to be someone else's fault.
I've taught quite a lot of guitar lessons. I used basically the same lesson plan for all of my students. The ones who practice, improve. The ones who don't practice, don't improve. Seems simple enough. I would get parents coming to me totally perplexed as to why their kid wasn't improving. Quiet often, when I suggested it was the kid's fault (ie. not practising), I'd hear things like "oh no, that couldn't be" and other excuses. Of course 9 times out of 10 when they'd sit in on the lesson they'd see that the kid has been given a ton of stuff to practice. They just don't.
Anyway, very frustrating.
Peace.
Jay said: "I've taught quite a lot of guitar lessons".
Why doesn't that surprise me?
Kris,
"Why doesn't that surprise me?"
uhh...do you have a problem with the guitar? I just told a story. Why are you trying to make it personal?
Welcome to the club Jay. You are the nerd of the week, and they will beat you until you leave.
Good luck bro, the war paint is on!
Dtodeen,
I am a nerd and proud of it!
Although, I don't like the idea of the war paint.
As part Blackfoot and Seminole - I DO!
I love how Dave uses the word THEY as if referencing others. Little Davey has painted his face a few times himself. *cough* "Few" being kind.
The absolute worst thing that "we", and by that I mean I was part of it on the periphery; did in high school is one of the guys in our group who all the girls swooned over asked the school reject to prom.
He of course did not take her. It was really fucking mean. It was one thing to call her Snausages and canckle girl behind her back...but that was just too low.
The only thing that saved it from being too bad, at least for MY guilt factor, is unlike in the movies where the poor girl is played by the sweet Drew Barrymore, this girl was a total bitch from hell.
Did she deserve what she got. No way Jose and I still feel bad all these years later, but she really was a bitch. Uber style. Drama club bitch style. But no one deserves that.
Oh and one time we went to this chicks house who was out of town with her parents and shoved the water hose through her mail slot and turned it on. They were gone for 2 weeks. Kids are assholes.
Wow, I feel better...how cathartic.
It ain't all so awful every day now, is it?
BZ
"Stop fearing people who think differently than you."
LOL. The funny part is these people are clearly NOT thinking.
Jay, you have confused fear with loathing.
You want to know one thing I don't fear? I don't fear tools like you who attempt to shame people into silence through bogus claims of me being a hater or afraid.
If idiots can't apply clear principles of biology to their arguments surrounding preferences in association, then I'm inclined to think there's something wrong with their mental faculties.
You want to know something I do fear? I fear having to walk the streets with idiots who "feel" instead of think.
Take your "peace and love" crap that's designed to intimidate through phony polarization and peddle it someplace else.
Henry,
"Take your "peace and love" crap that's designed to intimidate through phony polarization and peddle it someplace else."
That is not my intent at all. I've given you no reason to think otherwise.
"you have confused fear with loathing."
Hate = Fear. This is a fact.
"I fear having to walk the streets with idiots who "feel" instead of think."
Then you need not fear me.
My intentions are good, Henry. Please don't tell me otherwise.
Peace be with you Henry.
Forget it Henry! Jay is a tool! And I mean a REAL tool! He's a plant - ignore him.....
"Hate = Fear. This is a fact."
Fact, huh? Got ANYTHING to back that up?
Lemme get this straight. I hate pickles, ergo I fear pickles. I see now...
Dude, get yourself some Zyprexa.
Ya know - whle everybody has focused on Miss Jenn vegan thing - what is escaping everybody's attention is that this war seems to be winnable!
OH! What HORRORS for the defeat-o-crats! Those traitors who have staked EVERYTHING on us losing - who have done nothing but give aid and comfort to our enemy - who have given tacticle, sensitive information to same, said enemy.
EGADS!!!!! WE MIGHT ACTUALLY WIN THIS THING!!!!!!
Jenn,
Did she deserve what she got. No way Jose and I still feel bad all these years later, but she really was a bitch. Uber style. Drama club bitch style. But no one deserves that.
Witness Henry Jenn,
Jay is just using that line of Yoda from Star Wars == Hate equals fear. etc.................
Jenn,
Did she deserve what she got. No way Jose and I still feel bad all these years later, but she really was a bitch. Uber style. Drama club bitch style. But no one deserves that.
I don't know why the rest of my message didn't come out right.
Jenn what I was trying to say is that don't feel badly we have all done similar things but over all I bet you were a good kid when you take and put it all into context.
Henry,
The hate you have for pickles is nothing like a person's hate for an ethnic group. When someone has this kind of hate, it is usually because they fear the unknown. This isn't that hard of a concept.
http://www.sivacracy.net/archive...chives/
yoda.jpg
That's for Phil.
Witness,
"Jay is a tool! And I mean a REAL tool!"
No, I'm not. If you met me face to face you would realize this.
I'm just a person who wants the same things most people do.
Peace.
Oh that's clear now, thanks Jay! I KNOW what Islam is... so it's not unknown. Therefor my hate is not fear, it's just plain old fashioned hate, like my hate for potato bugs and drivers who swerve into me and then honk at me like I did something wrong.
Wow Jay thanks for clearing that up for me. I was sooooo confused.
Funny but when I think "ethnic" I assume you mean "ARAB" in this case. Do you know how many live in my hood? Plenty. I don't hate them, I hate Islam. And those who follow it. Arab chick at Marshalls today gave me a good tip on Tommy Hilfiger purses, I most certainly don't hate her.
Try as you might Tool, that will not change until they stop allowing the hate they have to effect my life.
Witness,
Are you willing enough to meet me face to face? Not for any kind of physical fight or anything. I don't advocate that. Just for discussion. You will see that I'm not the person you think I am.
Peace.
Jenn,
I am no tool. If you were willing to meet me face to face, as I have requested, you would see this.
I love you.
Peace.
Jenn,
Hate is negative 100% of the time. It will never lead to anything remotely resembling peace. History has proven this.
Peace.
Hate = Fear. This is a fact.
I hate bumper-to-bumper traffic. I do not fear it.
I hate mushrooms on my well manicured lawn. I do not fear them.
I hate it when my cable goes out or when I run out of toner for my printer. I do not fear either.
"Hate = fear" is a bumper sticker, which seems to be a recurring theme with you, Jay. This is a fact.
Just as I thought: nothing to back up any of your ridiculous claims.
BTW, I never said anything about any ethnic groups. Aren't you always telling us to not put words into your mouth, or something like that?
I shall not feed the idiot any longer.
Jonathan,
"Hate = fear" is a bumper sticker"
This isn't a very good argument, Jonathan. Anything can be a bumper sticker.
The hate one has for meaningless things like traffic is not the same thing as the hate one has for a human being or many human beings.
When someone hates a group of people, it is because they fear them.
People who are arguing this with me have openly admitted that they fear radical Muslims. I fear fundamentalism and extremism too. My only argument is that I don't think this fear/hate should apply to the majority. I hate the ideal, not the people.
Peace Jonathan.
Jenn,
On your first point, don't put the cart before the horse. It's a very odd indicator given what's been going on in the markets, especially in the debt markets. The subprime lending market crashed and burned and it's affecting everything.
With benchmark rates (i.e. 10-Year Treasury) going up, widening spreads and lenders finally starting to pull back on the reins a bit, we could see a slowdown. Higher interest rates will reduce fixed income portfolio values and make any sort of investment more difficult.
Just the opinion of an economically illiterate geek.
Oh, and from the CBS report...
Adjusted to exclude one-time items, earnings from businesses operated in both periods rose 9 percent to $393.1 million, or 54 cents per share, from $360.8 million, or 47 cents per share, last year.
Gotta take out those one-time items, as they do not present any indication of the performance of ongoing operations.
The article also said the performance exceeded Wall Street expectations.
Oh, and I have studied guitar in the past and will continue to do so when I get time.
So ... you're a full time finance Geek and part time Constitutional law Geek?
I play bass ...
'73 Fender Jazz ...
Henry,
"I never said anything about any ethnic groups."
I didn't say that you did. I merely used ethnic groups as an example to make my point that hate for pickles is not the same as hate for a person.
"Aren't you always telling us to not put words into your mouth"
Yes, because it accomplishes nothing. I don't deny that I have done this at times. I shouldn't and I apologize. I thank you for not doing this for the most part.
"I shall not feed the idiot any longer."
I thought liberal were the only people who refused to converse with those with opposing views...hmm...
I'm not saying you said that. However, this is a sentiment I have read on here many times, as well as many other conservative sites. I have also heard Jenn say this many times on her show. Interesting.
Be well Henry.
Geek,
Nice! What kind of guitar do you have? What type of music do you play?
Darwin,
That's a nice bass. What type of music are you playing on it?
Oh fuck.....Darwin I knew it... do you know how I feel about Bass players.....I think I just had an orgasm. You're not a vegan are you?
Oh my sweet little Don Geekioni... I get hot when you talk sub prime lending markets. You know that don't you?
Darwin,
I work in an investment banking environment on commercial real estate transactions (typically sales). Although the subprime lending problems involved portfolios of residential loans, it has affected all forms of real estate loans. Most lenders do not keep the majority of the loans they originate on their own balance sheets. Instead, they sell them off to third-party investors. When those secondary markets start to get skittish, it will affect origination and pricing.
Full time finance, part time conlawgeek, part time political theorist, all-the-time pain in the ass.
Jay,
Right now, all I have is a cheap Ibanez hollowbody guitar. I like to play jazz guitar although I'm not terribly good at it, especially since I've barely picked the thing up in two years.
Jenn,
You remember the time when I whispered "defeasance" in your ear?
I think you do. You friggin tried to jump my bones. I had to tell you that I feel rather than think to talk you off that ledge. Yeesh.
Jenn,
Do you play any instruments?
Geek,
Cool! I studied jazz for years.
Oh Don Geekioni...I pine for you my love! LOL...
Jay I sang.
"Oh fuck.....Darwin I knew it... do you know how I feel about Bass players.....I think I just had an orgasm. You're not a vegan are you?"
lol ... thank God no ...
Jenn,
So, you used to sing then? Or do you still sing? What type of singing?
Jay ... classic rock, although I like big band swing. I'll play anything except bluegrass ... really, really boring for a bass player. My formative years were heavily influenced by McCartney's style.
Darwin,
Oh man! That's sweet! Do you play in any bands right now? I love The Beatles and McCartney is great. I particularly like his playing on Abbey Road.
I hear ya with the bluegrass. As a guitar player, it's fun. But for you, it's constant 1, 5, 1, 5, etc. hahaha!
This is all very interesting for me because I'm actually a professional musician.
Jenn, I don't know if you're interested, my 10 piece soul/R&B band is playing at Viejas Casino on August 25. Sounds like you like music, so I just thought I would mention it. Click on my homepage if you want to hear it. I hope that's cool.
Very cool!
No bands. I played in contemporary and top 40 bands doing the club circuit in Virginia Beach. Pretty much stopped after joining the military with the exception of impromptu jam sessions.
Shit you should hear me in the shower! I can sing the entire Gloria By John Rutter in Latin. But prefer Metallica. I do a splendid Master of Puppets. Oh and anything by Simon and Garfunkel.
I'll be in England on the 25th.. I regret not seeing a lefty tool play R&B/Soul. That would be sweet. Especially if I could also gamble and get free booze. Gotta love those Indian casino's.
damn ... gotta lot of brass in your band. Earth, Wind and Fire?
Jenn,
That's cool! This is my official request to have you sing all of that on your show. My wife plays guitar and sings some Simon and Garfunkel as well as other similar folk type stuff.
"I regret not seeing a lefty tool play R&B/Soul. That would be sweet."
Hey, how did you know I played left handed? Seriously though, I'll regret not having a tighty righty come to our show.
Darwin,
Very cool! Yeah, we've done some EWF. I love having all the horns man! The sound is sooo huge! We do lot of Motown, Robert Cray, Tower of Power, etc. It's super fun!
I have an original band too.
The guitar player in the video is me, by the way. In case anyone was trying to figure out what a loosy lefty looks like.
Like in the HERMINS HERMITS song WONDERFUL WORLD the lines DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT NOTHING AT ALL sound about like all those liberal politicians especialy the demachickenscrats
Jay, I'm ragging on you, but I can't resist:
"My wife plays guitar and sings some Simon and Garfunkel as well as other similar folk type stuff."
Funny, because I imagine that you look like Art Garfunkel. Perhaps the face of Art Garfunkel and the soul of Dennis Kuchinich.
It reminds me of Don McLean:
but I could have told you Jay, this word was never meant for one as beautiful as you.
gag.
I prefer Oasis.
Noel Gallagher writes great lyrics:
You've got to say what you say don't let any fucker get in your way..
"Hate = fear" is a bumper sticker"
This isn't a very good argument, Jonathan. Anything can be a bumper sticker.
Don't be deliberately obtuse, Jay. A "Bumper sticker" in this context refers to things that are "catchy" as a bumper sticker but have no basis in reality. "Hate = fear" is one of those.
The hate one has for meaningless things like traffic is not the same thing as the hate one has for a human being or many human beings.
When someone hates a group of people, it is because they fear them.
Now look, Bill Clinton, you don't get to start redefining words here. You said, and I quote: "Hate = fear. This is a fact." We have all shown you the sheer idiocy of such a statement with real life examples of hate and fear, none of which were related.
So, having been exposed to the lunacy of your position, you have tried to state that "Hate = fear when it comes to groups of people." You should have said that from the beginning, if that was your contention, instead of your "bumper sticker" contention.
Here, see for yourself (from Roget's Thesaurus):
Main Entry: hate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: dislike
Synonyms: abhor, abominate, allergic to*, anathematize, be loath, be reluctant, be sorry, can't stand*, contemn, curse, deprecate, deride, despise, detest, disapprove, disdain, disfavor, dislike, disparage, down on*, execrate, loathe, nauseate*, object to, recoil from, scorn, shudder at, shun, spit upon*, spurn
Antonyms: like, love
Notes: hate means to 'dislike intensely, loathe' and despise means 'look down on contemptuously'
The word "fear" appears nowhere on that page. Words means things, dude. They just don't mean what you say they do. I'm trusting dictionaries and thesauri over you, my man.
oh Mr Leffingwell
Why are you bothering with silly little concepts like facts and precise language?
Jay, I heard Marianne Williamson say it herself: "There's no bullshit like New Age bullshit".
HAHA!!! You guys are a riot!
Your refusal to see this is unbelievably funny. You're putting human being in the same category as pickles and traffic. Enough said.
"Your refusal to see this is unbelievably funny."
It may be funny but it's accurate. Hate does not automatically imply fear. I hate rude and self absorbed people ... does that mean I fear them? I hate people who are cruel to animals ... do I fear them? No.
I hate people who are viciously killing people all over the world and trying to shove their ideology down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. Do I fear them? If I lived in any part of Somalia or Northern Africa I would ... but here, no. I still hate them.
Darwin,
"I hate people who are viciously killing people all over the world and trying to shove their ideology down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it. Do I fear them? If I lived in any part of Somalia or Northern Africa I would ... but here, no. I still hate them."
The reason you hate these people is because you fear what they could possibly do to you and this country. Your fear of what could possibly happen has led to your hate of these people. That's how it works.
Peace.
You're enveloping everything in your one definition. It doesn't work that way. Drink more coffee.
Score ...
darwin and everybody else - Jay's wrong.
Jay - I'm right
result: darwin and everybody else have you outnumbered and win.
Game over.
Darwin,
"You're enveloping everything in your one definition."
Incorrect.
HAHA!!! I didn't realize "defeating" me was so important to you, Darwin.
One of the foremost characteristics of fear is denying you have it. This is you.
Let go of your fear, Darwin.
Jay
Do respond to Marianne's analysis!
"HAHA!!! I didn't realize "defeating" me was so important to you, Darwin."
Very few things are actually "important" to me. However, you have been defeated. It's your fear of accepting that which keeps you going.
Your point is vaild, but not in all cases. That is the only point I was making. You say fear of anything is the basis for hate of anything. You're wrong, you lost, you are defeated. Admit your defeat and humbly bask in the self-awareness of your fragility.
Kris.... hahaha... good one and just what I was thinking.
Jay said: "I've taught quite a lot of guitar lessons".
Why doesn't that surprise me?
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Kelly,
I fail to see the problem you and Kris have with the guitar. Do you have some asinine stereotype about people who play music? Please explain.
Peace!
Darwin,
"However, you have been defeated."
No, I haven't. Such a thing does not exist on an internet forum.
"You say fear of anything is the basis for hate of anything."
No, I didn't.
"You're wrong"
Incorrect.
"you lost"
Incorrect.
"you are defeated."
Incorrect.
"Admit your defeat and humbly bask in the self-awareness of your fragility."
You are the one who is fragile. You are weak Darwin. Very weak. You blame your problems on others. This is the essence of weakness.
Let go of your fear, Darwin. Only then will you find true strength.
Peace!
Yeah I do. Here you go:
http://www.painetworks.com/photo...s/hl/
hl0082.JPG
Jay, simply answering my points with "no", "incorrect" and "no, it's you" does not a strong argument make.
I ask you again to admit your defeat, face your fear and envelope yourself in the truth of reality.
Hey Kell, awesome pic of Jay! Really captures his softer side.
LOL Dar, he does do that doesn't he.
The softer side? Anyone that says shit like go in peace and love your enemy ONLY has a soft side. Shove your peace and wake up to reality. My enemy hates everything about me - no matter what I say or do. I like my head right where it is.
Kelly,
Your head isn't going anywhere. I look nothing like that.
I only way incorrect to things that are, in fact, incorrect.
Why do you people presume to know so much about me?
Kelly,
"Yeah I do. Here you go:"
If this is the case, we must assume this picture is an accutate representation of Darwin and Jenn as well. Interesting.
jay: "Why do you people presume to know so much about me?"
because it's like reading a comic book.
I only way incorrect to things that are, in fact, incorrect.
Huh?
Anyway.... it's boring now. Moving on.
Jay
Focus dear!
We're on Marianne Williamson and her, "there's no bullshit like nu-age bullshit".
You response please.
Kris,
"because it's like reading a comic book."
Incorrect.
Peace!
Kelly,
It's obviously a typo. You know what I mean. Weak!
Peace!
HACK HACK HACK!!!! You're all HACKS!!!!
LOL!
My picture is on this blog everyone else knows what I look like.... I have nothing to hide.
Kris,
"We're on Marianne Williamson and her, "there's no bullshit like nu-age bullshit"."
I agree in some cases. I don't adhere to the idea of "lettin' everyone be, man". There has to be some order. Peace, however, is by no means a "nu-age" ideal.
Peace Kris!
Jenn,
"My picture is on this blog everyone else knows what I look like.... I have nothing to hide."
Nor do I. I gave everyone here a link to my R&B band's MySpace. My picture is on there. I also mentioned who I was in the video.
I was merely pointing out Kris' blatant flaw in her stereotype.
Peace!
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