This Is Not A Democracy, It's A Republic........
Yep! The fed funding needs to be cut right off. I'm getting sick of these traitors stabbing our troops in the back! If people don't like what this guy said they need to step up because he's speaking for them and in their name!
I agree 100% cut off the funding of these treasonous hate mongering intolerant america hating libtards cities like san fransissyco & croakland & all the rest.
Cut off toledo entierly just allow those decent folk living there time to move out then BOYCOTT THE PLACE. THE MAYOR IS A FINK
"just allow those decent folk living there time to move"
Toledo is just about as bad as Detriot
except south of the Mich border
OT: Something to keep in mind for 2008.
More on the Canadian version of HillaryCare:
This was sent from Canada to a friend in the States.
I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.
First of all:
1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for my wife and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.
2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.
3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement
4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.
5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.
6) My wife's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125 for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.
7) My wife’s cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list . Died before he could get treatment.
Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.
9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.
10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it, despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.
11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.
12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.
13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.
14) Oh yeah we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the health care system.
I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.
Sunday Sillies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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C'mon idiots. They wanted mock gun fights in downtown streets. Get the fuck out cowboys, we live here!
You know what would be great is if we got some documentation on citizens of Canada who have actually died on transplant waiting lists, or any other waiting list.
Want a better list? Count how many MP's skip the waiting list and come here to the states for treatment.
Yo-dud! The fact that the Marines exists allows you to spew your ignorance! Once they are gone, so are you.
Once they are gone, so are you.
We should all be so lucky, wit.
Yes, and documentation for that too! Thanks. I left that part out.
Well, I know for a fact there is one right now in California getting cancer treatment.
Do tell!
Here ya go, a: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/Articl...070914/
20070914
MY RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS IN TOLEDO! GLORY TO THE STRUGGLE! SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER! US OUT OF NORTH AMERICA! MARINES OUT OF OUR SOCIALIST UTOPIAN CITIES!
YOUR COMRADES,
BERKELEY CITY COUNCIL
Uhm - So? Where ya gonna move to, genius?
Oh and PS - You know, of course, that we're the ones with the guns, right?
Wit ... I'm pretty sure that was humor by Timstigator. The rant is signed:
BERKELEY CITY COUNCIL
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE TO ALL! CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO INCLUDE OUR POOR, DOWNTRODDEN, ILLEGAL ALIENS.
KLINTON KOMRADES FOR KOMMUNISM
Thanks Wit, good info. But I was asking about documentation about waiting lists.
a - I was respondng to this:
a -Well, I know for a fact there is one right now in California getting cancer treatment.
witness | 02.11.08 - 10:52 am | #
Do tell!
a | 02.11.08 - 11:36 am | #
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE TO ALL! CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO INCLUDE OUR POOR, DOWNTRODDEN, ILLEGAL ALIENS.
KLINTON KOMRADES FOR KOMMUNISM
Timstigator
*shudder*
You make some good points, Witness. The doctor shortage is one of our biggest problems right now, and quite a deadly one at that.
I must say however, speaking as someone who went through the "system" with colon cancer, that I deeply appreciated not having to throw myself and my family into years of debt for my operations and treatments.
Also, I feel compelled to mention that I got top notch treatment from the doctors and nurses in the Toronto hospital where I went, overworked and exhausted though they were.
So yeah, we definitely have our problems, but there are some great parts to this Health care system of ours as well!
"So yeah, we definitely have our problems, but there are some great parts to this Health care system of ours as well!"
Here's the thing that really irritates me and others about "universal" health care Tanya. Many people who currently don't have insurance would rather spend their money on things ... like big screen TV's, cell phones, expensive cars, ect ... rather than live within their means and budget accordingly. I should NOT have to pay money to the damn government so someone can have me pay for health insurnace they damn well can afford.
As far as I know ... the indigent, the truly poor, the elderly or those unable to care for themselves ARE taken care of already. It's those bastards who want a free ride off my dime that infuriate me. THOSE are the people they count as "uninsured". Screw them.
I don't want to piss away the best care system in the world to appease some socialist politicians and lazy ass people.
"If you think health care is expensive now wait till it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke
You know, that's a good point as well Darwin. I too, think personal responsibility is very important, and many people do overspend on things that aren't important.
I'm not entirely sure how the insurance system works in the U.S. Can you buy a plan that covers you for everything? Or at least reimburses you for most of it?
In my case, my colon cancer came out of the blue, I'm a non-smoker, I don't drink very much (wine is the exception), I don't tan, I'm athletic, I succeed most of the time (chocolate is the exception) in eating a healthy diet, and I'm only 26 years old (24 at the time). There was no way for me to have predicted that I'd be dealing with that. The best I can figure is that I was exposed to something in my younger years that became a problem (there is no genetic history in my family of cancer).
So, I don't consider myself a lazy ass person, and yes, I deeply appreciated having all those expensive treatments and operations completely covered. While I was recovering, I took the opportunity to total them up, and holy crap my husband and I would have been in debt for years and years and years trying to pay it off if I'd been back in Serbia.
You say you weren't predisposed for cancer. Isn't that the point of having insurance? Just in case? My point is many people in this country can afford health insurance, they just don't buy it, hoping the taxpayer will. They want to continue their lifestyles, buy what they want ... without living within their means and budget ... like everyone else. I do not want to pay for someone's carefree lifestyle just so they won't have to grow up and be responsible.
"my husband and I would have been in debt for years and years and years trying to pay it off if I'd been back in Serbia."
I understand your point, and honestly, I'm glad you're ok ... but to be blunt, why should people be forced to pay for other people? For anything? Not just health insurance ... anything?
How can you be free when the government runs your life and involuntarily takes money from you for things you disapprove of and don't want?
There is NOTHING in our Constitution for the excessive social programs funded by taxpayers INVOLUNTARILY. NOTHING.
About 95% of our population HAS health insurance. Most of the figures these socialists quote are big fat lies! Figured into those numbers are young people who might be contractors and actually choose not to have insurance and choose to pay cash when they go to the doctor. Guess what - I think they should be allowed to do just that! But don't count them like they are victims.
All of the jobs I've had included health care coverage - one year and one year only, I didn't have health care coverage. I had to go to the doctor actually that year (go figure!) and I paid cash - not only that, the doc cut the fee in half - not because I was indigent, actually I have no idea why he cut the payment, because I was ok with the fee as it was. Anyway - it was reasonable.
Also, figured into those numbers are all the illegals - who get free care (on all of our dime - thank you very much!) anyway! I think it's because they are actually overwhelming the system and bankrupting it that this whole discussion of socialised medicine is coming up.Screw em! Let them go home and get socialized health care there. Or maybe we should send them up north - to Canada!
Tim... try London....I know already man I know.
According to Wikipedia:
"In 2006, 47 million people in the U.S. (15.8% of the population) were without health insurance for at least part of the year. The percentage of the non-elderly population who are uninsured has been generally increasing since the year 2000.[3] Among the uninsured population, nearly 38 million were employment-age adults (ages 18 to 64), and more than 27 million worked at least part time. About 37% of the uninsured live in households with incomes over $50,000.[2] According to the Census Bureau, 36.7 million of the uninsured are legal U.S citizens. Another 10.2 million are non-citizens, but the Census Bureau does not distinguish in its estimate between legal non-citizens and illegal immigrants.[2] It has been estimated that nearly one fifth of the uninsured population is able to afford insurance, almost one quarter is eligible for public coverage, and the remaining 56% need financial assistance (8.9% of all Americans).[53]"
There it is. 9% need financial assistance. Cause enough to push America into never-go-back socialism.
Because it's a national travesty!
Last real numbers I heard were about 4 mill had no coverage - most through choice. I reject wikifraudia's numbers and I reject socialism.
I see no reason to pay $500 a month for insurance that has a $2500 deductable BEFORE the insurance company starts paying a dime. Thats $8500 out of pocket a year, I dont spend nearly that much on doctors and medication. When I go to the doctor insurance patients are charged $70 per visit, they pay 20 the ins co pays 50. I pay cash and its $35. It an hour the doctor doesnt have to spend doing paperwork for the ins co.
WMD has it right. The HMO, and health insurance cos. are rackets. A friend of mind who owns a med size business did a lot of research and figured out that it's cheaper to just pay for the Dr. bills, for his employees, rather than pay for their health insurance.
WTF is a Carty Finkbeiner?
Cut off all funds to that sorry excuse for a city (yes, I've been there and it is a sorry excuse for a city.)
I often wondered why companies didnt just hire a doctor to treat the employees. It seems it would be a damn sight less expensive. For 100g you get the doctor another 75g for his malpractice insurance and 500 to 1000 people get basic medical care.
That's a great idea. So why the hell don't they?
Oh yeah...people want to be free to chose their own doctors.
"people want to be free to chose their own doctors."
You dont belong to an HMO or PPO do you. Go to one of those and you get to see the very next doctor who has an available exam room and more than likely english is their 3rd or 4th language.
I am so sick of your post from typical FOX JEWS!
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