Jib:
Your position virtually mirrors my own.
Jib -- From your post, I would guess that the second sentence might make you lean against the ban?
A quibble: marriage is NOT a 'religious' proposition; it is a human proposition. Various religions, worldwide, have undertaken to 'bless' marriage, following on which various States, worldwide, have done the same.
This is NOT an argument about 'religion,' although the proponents of The Amendment would love to have it that way. And those who argue FOR The Amendment make an error if they cast it in terms of "religion."
It's analogous to murder in that regard. Religions do condemn murder, but it was condemned long before 'religion' was discernable. States also condemn murder, but they are merely Xeroxing natural law.
Todd, for the time being I'm in the undecided camp. For 5 minutes I may think I'm leaning against, then I have a thought that will put me in the leaning for camp for 5 minutes. I'm teetering on the fence and nothing from either side has been strong enough to push me in one direction or the other.
Dad29, I would disagree. Civil recognition of unions between men and women may be a human proposition, but I don't see marriage as such. Marriage is vested with more meaning through religion than a mere civil union. We confuse the two a lot because they are so similar, and the convention has become to just call all unions 'marriage'. I see a distinct difference between the two. I will say this, though. I agree that the 'pro' side will be making a huge mistake if they try to argue this on religous grounds. That is a sure way to lose any political debate in this country.
I wasn't clear.
"Civil marriage" between man and woman is a faint Xerox copy of "religious" marriage.
However, they are BOTH Xerox copies of the natural law marriage.
As you know, the civil authorities must license marriage, regardless of whether "church" or not--but it's largely related to bloodline and/or fraud (bigamy...)
with the number of "no fault" divorces between heterosexual couples, including between many people who call themselves Christians, I think we need to solve the heterosexual marriage crisis before worrying about the marriage (or lack thereof) of gay folks
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