Prochoicers often claim that prolifers only care about life from conception to birth, but it is clear that in practice the prochoice movement, like the abortion clinics, totally lose interest in the woman once her uterus is empty.
What do they do besides take her money, vacuum her out, and return her to her horrible situation?
What do they do besides take her money, vacuum her out, and return her to her horrible situation?
Well, they tend to fight for more comprehensive sex education, greater access to birth control, universal health care coverage, greater corporate acceptance of working mothers, etc. Not that these efforts will help an individual woman in the immediate, but it's not like pro-choicers donate a latte's worth of money to an abortion clinic and pat themselves on the back for it.
That's great in theory, Alexandra, but until those measures are passed what are they doing on a personal or physical level to help these women improve their situation or the women who choose to carry to term?
And oh yes they do, Alexandra:
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Alexandra added:
Well, they tend to fight for more comprehensive sex education, greater access to birth control, universal health care coverage, greater corporate acceptance of working mothers, etc.
Interesting. Of the four examples you provided, the first two -- comprehensive sex ed & pushing birth control -- are arguably a part of the problem. Universal health coverage is a horrible idea that won't help anyone except government bureaucrats. Only your last example could be actually helpful, and even that one depends on what you mean by it. Every place I've worked has "accepted" working mothers. No employer will fire a woman for having a baby, not without risking an enormous lawsuit....
But one out of four isn't too bad! 
Not that these efforts will help an individual woman in the immediate...
That statement -- right there -- sums up much of the difference between the "progressive" worldview and mine. So-called progressives would rather fight for various societal changes that might or might not help anyone who actually needs help. I'd rather help an individual directly.
Consider the age-old proverb about fishing:
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
"Progressives" will try to start a massive, nationwide fishing education program in the public schools. A blue-ribbon panel will convene to create a dolphin-safe, ecologically-friendly fishing curriculum. Meanwhile, a splinter group of vegans and PETA activists will decry the entire project for its insensitivity to Aquatic-Americans.
Conservatives will take a guy out on the river and show him how to fish.
Aquatic-Americans - heh - that's a good one.
Interesting. Of the four examples you provided, the first two -- comprehensive sex ed & pushing birth control -- are arguably a part of the problem.
Right, because understanding human reproductive cycles and contraception are at the root of unprotected sex. As for health care coverage, notice I did not say "socialized" health care -- just universal. We need to ensure that everyone in this country has access to affordable health care -- do you not believe that there is something seriously wrong with the health care system as it exists today? Would you have fewer people covered? Or more?
So-called progressives would rather fight for various societal changes that might or might not help anyone who actually needs help. I'd rather help an individual directly.
Of course, many people would rather help a person directly. But many, many progressives believe that providing the tools necessary for "pulling oneself up," as it were -- affordable health care, realistic maternity and paternity leave, breastfeeding breaks on the job -- will result in more people taking responsibility in their own lives. A woman should not have to choose between her child's health and her job, and if she's forced to make that decision in an unplanned pregnancy, she is likely to choose the option which most immediately benefits her.
Contrary to this article, my fund has great interest in making sure that each patient is educated about birth control as well as given a low-cost option for a year's supply of oral contraceptives. We definitely care about the patient before, during and after the process and offer assistance and referral to programs that can help in her other problems.
The assumption that taking care of the immediate problem is as far as myself or the clinics are willing to go is silly, but it is the field we are in and there are other agencies who must kick in as far as legal help to the poor goes. Thank god we live in a country where there are org's helping in all sort sof aspects of care for low-income women.
Shame on you for assuming that we only want money and abortions. We have great hearts and are thanked for very often.
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