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Thanks, Paolo! 
Great find, Paul! Where ever do you get your stuff?
Does anybody know about this publication? Are they a legitimate news source?
J.
What a great article and so accurate, that would make MMY 106 years olds and they didn't even have Viagara in 1969! WOW this TM must be great!! What a smooth operator, I should be so lucky~
Let's see, he started 'stupping' her in 1969 at age 68..(what a guy) and it's now the year 2007 hey, that makes him 106 years old, again this TM is incredible. WOW!
The datelines in the article are extremelely good. Maharishi was in Paris at that time (and was being attended by famous pop musicians there), and was in all the other places at the times listed. However, the article gives him an age of 68 in 1981, which I believe is piling it on a little. More like 64.
Interesting article but mostly just old unsubstantiated allegations; believe it if you want, it apparently never amounted to anything.
You know, a lot of great teachers, whether it be Swami Yogananda or Charles Leadbeater, have had improper sex *allegations* charged against them and they've never amounted to anything except to tanish their reputation.
You must admit there will always be those with 'sour grapes' or outright enemies, who will say or do anything, either to make a buck or just to get a 'revenge'; even Jesus the Christ had enemies, and it will always be so with any great figure.
Billy said: Interesting article but mostly just old unsubstantiated allegations;
I guess the same has been said again and again for a long time about your yogi's supposed 'sidhi' effect. Just allegations, nothing more.
Reader
An interesting article. IF MacPhoney was born in 1917, then he was 64 when this article was written. The reference to 12 years might indicate that this occurred in 1972 when he was around 55; otherwise I can't find where it says what year he gave Linda the divine rogering.
Picasso didn't use viagra by the way, Billy; you do seem more interested in sex than "spiritual" development, by the way. WE thank you for the disclosure.
All in all, Paul, this very interesting article seems to have more truth in it than the true believers can tolerate. Thank you for finding it for us. I just discovered that by clicking on the picture it appears in full screen. That is very clever.
There are probably whack jobs out there who still believe that Jim Jones was the messiah, so the Maheshite nay-sayers can hardly be expected to be exempt from that kind of befuddlement.
BillyG, you misread the article. It states that MMY was 68 at the time of the writing (1981) not when he was screwing Linda in Rishikesh. The date might be off by a few years.
As has been mentioned previously, this is only one report of many of MMY's sexual exploits in the late 60's and 70's.
Jossepi
Right...mea culpa!
So he was in his 50's when he started screwing the young girls he had convinced he was a holy man. They didn't have viagra back then but they had "power". I hear that power over others is the thing that makes an old man's prick stand up and be noticed. Would you like a guy like this living in your neighborhood?
It looks like Linda's maths are a bit of guess-work. In 1969 (IF Mahesh was born in 1917), he would have been 52. It looks like this cosmic screwing began then.
The TM organization, the reflection of Maheshism, always manages to stand on simple denial. Even video of the process would be denied as just a fake.
There have consistently been those who have believed more and more every time Mahesh has blamed others because his delusions do not work. Denial has always been, as well, beneficial for him.
It is as if he is taunting all of us, now, with his continued bizarre claims and proposals. If he confessed he was a fake, gave evidence -- there would be a substantial core that would praise him and believe even more.
S
Does anybody know about this publication? Are they a legitimate news source?
According to a Brit over on FFL, it's the equivalent there of the National Enquirer here.
Judy, I heard on National Public Radio that despite the sensational headlines of National Enquirer, their stories are almost always accurate with regard to public figures, although less so with regard to ufo sightings. I'd say it's about as likely that Mahesh didn't screw these young girls as it is that the good Lord made this world in 6 days, like the Bible says.
I heard on National Public Radio that despite the sensational headlines of National Enquirer, their stories are almost always accurate with regard to public figures
Gosh, I wonder why the Brit on FFL didn't compare Weekly World News to the New York Times, then?
The point he was making was that in the U.K., the Weekly World News is generally considered to be as legitimate a news source as is the National Enquirer in the U.S., i.e., not at all. Perhaps that's a misperception in terms of the Enquirer's accuracy, but it's very widespread.
I have no idea whether the basic story is true. But I'm not inclined to take WWN's word for it.
According to a Brit over on FFL, it's the equivalent there of the National Enquirer here.
What a relief.
Now no one's ego needs to question any beliefs or self-fooling. The true believers can congratulate themselves that they, indeed, know the best thing there is without ever having to do any research or try anything that might cause them inconvenience or effort.
"It's all just lies and my ego knows the truth because it's so convenient."
--True Believer
Linda's story would have been a bit difficult to verify, by any newspaper! But none of the 'serious' newspapers would handle stories like this, especially not in those days. Bear in mind that back then newspapers in general would not even speak out about known intrigues in the royal household.
Now no one's ego needs to question any beliefs or self-fooling. The true believers can congratulate themselves that they, indeed, know the best thing there is without ever having to do any research or try anything that might cause them inconvenience or effort.
So only a True Believer who refuses to believe anything negative about MMY would ever express any skepticism whatsoever about this article being 100 percent accurate?
Linda's story would have been a bit difficult to verify, by any newspaper!
Sorta like UFO stories, you mean?
The more difficult a story is to verify, the easier it is to print it with no fear of consequences if it happens to be untrue. WWN could be pretty confident MMY wouldn't sue even if it was all made up from whole cloth.
I have no trouble believing MMY slept with female followers, BTW. I'm just frequently surprised by the willingness of some TM critics to believe the absolute worst about him even from questionable sources, as well as their eagerness to attribute any skepticism whatsoever to True Believerism.
You are really pathetic, Judy. You make TM seem like a really bad idea every time you post your whoring justifications of the old fart's lies and trickery.
You are really pathetic, Judy. You make TM seem like a really bad idea every time you post your whoring justifications of the old fart's lies and trickery.
And you're really peculiar, Reader. Where do you see me justifying anything? You're just making stuff up.
Why?
The real question is, who are all these bogus posters? Are they all the same person?..and does it matter.
Are they all the same person?
On other blogs that use the HaloScan commenting system, I've seen blog owners comment on users' IP addresses, so I assume John Knapp would, at least, be able to identify multiple users using the same IP address. Whether he chooses to disclose that info is up to him.
Alex,
We could check IP addresses, which would give us a general idea of posting under multiple names. Most posters have dynamic IP assignment, so that it's not ultimately possible to determine whether the same ISP means the same individual. We respect the right of posters here to remain totally anonymous, so we don't check IPs, however. My assumption is that some posters are posting under multiple identities. Does this make a difference to readers here? We can discuss this if it does.
J.
I was in India with Linda, an attractive young girl. When she married Peter Pearce I became godfather to their daughter. I can't comment on the veracity of her assertions but find it hard to believe she would make them if they were untrue. Poor girl seems to be a bit of victim as Peter was a pathological liar and con man. We were for a brief period partners in an art business so I know his ins and outs. I gathered from Peter that Linda was a few years ago dying of MS in an Indian village. For myself who was around Maharishi since 1962 I found the stories of his behaviour startling as I never got a sense of him being sexual. It is too bad it couldn't have been discussed as it would be interesting to have a frank talk of sex and spirituality. It seems the three temptations money, sex and power follow many of us up the ladder.
David F said...as Peter was a pathological liar and con man.
It always seemed to me that there were many of this type around Maharishi and his organization. Do you think it was a case of "birds of the same feather"? Because that's exactly how Maharishi himself looks to me now. Why were so many brillant and creative young people drawn to this guy and why were they used up and thrown away?
Thanks for the personal perspective David.
When the News of the World article first surfaced I disbelieved it from the start, it appeared to me to be a concoction devised for or by Peter Pearce. Now you suggest that he was a liar and a con man. Interestingly, the story has a resonance with The Beatles' Sexy Sadie episode in that the main accuser, Alexis Mardas, also appears to have been a con man.
As you say, it would have been good to have had a frank discussion about the subject, preferably with Maharishi involved.
I did not mean to suggest that Peter Pearce invented Linda's story and that as he is untrustworthy it isn't true. A charming chap but..! Linda might have been charmed by him but I think she told that story on her own.
I forgot to add that the South African Sunday Times carried a similar report in which Linda said that when she tried to decline Maharishi he told her not "to have sexual hang ups."
A letter this morning from Conny to me says his book on MMY has secured a big publisher in Sweden and will tell all.
David
David, do you have a copy of the South African Sunday Times article on Linda? I wonder if Conny's book includes quotes from any of the ladies? Anyway, whatever one thinks about Maharishi, it would be informative to discover whether he had a sexual side that he screened off. I guess it would be more odd to discover that he had no such proclivity!?
Sorry Paul I don’t. It was sent to me after emigrating to Canada and I seem to have lost it. At the time like you I dismissed it as it seemed so improbable to me. However with so much directed at him it would seem now most improbable that he wasn’t a man like anyone else and like many Indians who meet free moving western women untrained on how to deal with them. One false step can lead to yet another and soon a taste gets developed. Any person can feel lonely and all bodies need caresses. Maybe he loved them as well.
I am so glad I never felt he was my guru, never had any. Yet he remains someone who profoundly influenced my life, mostly positively and for that he has my gratitude and very warm feelings of love.
Face dog I don’t think he attracted a lot of conmen. I think he attracted a lot of young people who felt inspired to feel that working for him might well make a huge difference in the world. I once complained bitterly, on my SCI course, that to the movement’s discredit their good intentions were used as a trap. As I had, I suppose, some status the poor lad taking the course face fell.
I gather from Conny who has led a justified campaign against Sai Baba that they have got Mark Landau to say Conny was hardly ever MMY’s secretary, only for 3 weeks. I guess trying to discredit him.
Somewhere I have a nice slide of Linda and Maharishi walking along the path from his quarters to come to a meeting. I now wonder how many of the young ladies I knew with him had encounters. Merilyn Jest? She and I were close and for a while she was close to MMY. I think things fell apart in her life.
It causes great grief that all those hard efforts from so many people have ended up with a movement about as far removed from any positive influence as one could imagine. If I were Maharishi I would feel despair. He must self reflect like us all. I wish, like a good friend, I could chew the cud with him as, late in life, he weighs up things..
David said...I wish, like a good friend, I could chew the cud with him as, late in life, he weighs up things..
It is too bad, David. If Maharishi were humble enough to allow such friendships he wouldn't be holed up like Howard Hughes or like Hitler in his bunker. I wish that I could feel the same warm feelings of love that you do. But I can't. Maybe it's because I never knew him as a person only as someone I projected all the infinite knowledge and wisdom of God upon.
With regard to Conny, I just noticed the following site, which includes the question about how long Conny was a secretary:-
http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conn...-
saraswati.html
Sudarsha, do you remember how long Conny was a secretary to Maharishi?
Connie was on many of the India courses long before I started TM in 1968.
I met Connie in Seelisberg right after La Antilla. He was part of Mahesh's personal entourage then. He and I were there (Seelisberg) for several months (I don't remember the exact number of days/weeks/months, but I can check old notes if it's important).
Why not ask Connie?
S
It appears that Conny's claim about the length of time he spent as Maharishi's secretary is in question, so I guess it would be useful to Conny if someone were able to support his claim.
Paul, You see Conny is an artist, a clown, with a very good fantacy - at least he was a "skinboy" during a MMY trip to Denmark and Sweden in November -73.
Paul that link re Conny didn't work for me.
Mmm strange, it works for me - I tried again just now..
Dear David!
In my new book that will be released in Jan-08 will I state when I was MMY’s secretary or skinboy.
It started already in Fiuggi, when I became the holder of the international cashbox for MMY with daily reports to him.
After that I was asked to fly with him to La Antilla in 1973 early spring. I then became his skinboy during the whole of 1973-74 and left when he went abroad again. Returned as his skinboy late 1975 in Seelisberg and left him due to the TM-Sidhi course that he let me participate in, in Selisberg, I think 1976.
I returned to the work as a skinboy after the course but we at that time disagreed between us on all points about the value of the TM-Sidhi programme and I had to leave since I couldn’t live with the adharma or fraud it all was. I will write much about this in the book about my life with MMY.
Dear David, if you yourself would like to spread this do check the spelling and English since I'm hopeless!
Love and care
Conny
LOL..."As the world turns..."
"As the world turns"... as in your guru is God incarnate, you yourself have been given the power to lay hands on the unenlightened masses and bring them to God, any of us can be enlightened in a 21 day course as long as we have the $5500.00... etc. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, JC.
http://www.globalserve.net/~sarl...arlo/
Ykalki.htm
But at least you are nice enough to say LOL...
Why is that these links don't work for me
Blow me complain and they work!
David, I think you might have stumbled on a 'open sesame' mantra. Perhaps, if we translate it into Sankrit we could start a cult?
HaHa. No, what it was if you point the mouse so the hand points at the link it jumps up and down and won't work. You've got to get the mouse so it the arrow thing(up and down) is on the link. As you can see I am a computer wizard!
Seems to be a fake somehow. There is one very strange sentence in it, quote: "Despite what he did he lectured that you had to be celibate to progress spiritually."
I have seen about 2.000 hours of video taped lectures of Maharishi and hundreds of hours of audio tape material. But never in these materials he said anything like this. The contrary is true: Very, very often - on video, audio, books - he was stating just the opposite: That for spiritual progress monk’s like behaviour and living is NOT necessary."
So be very critical.
I'm a regular meditator of many years but have not had anything to do with the TM people for over 10 years.
Anyway the only thing I heard in regards to the celibacy issue while I was learning, was that you shouldn't have sex outside of marriage because broken hearts and the associated bitterness will hinder your spiritual progress. It made a lot of sense to me then and still does.
As for the Mia Farrow incident, I'll believe it when Mia Farrow herself comes out says it happened.
Sammy, maybe Mia Farrow didn't come completly clean about Mugharishi's advances cause she was embarrassed that she had been grabbed by a hairy fellow only 5 foot tall! Could be like what I went through in 1967 with Fat Peggy Bryant. Dimebox had played the Crockett, Texas Bulldogs in football and I was under the stands lookin for loose change when Peggy come up on me and tried to carry me to the ground by the sheer force of her weight! Now I was a Baptist and weighed only 250 at the time. Peggy was a holy roller and had a good 35 pounds on me, so I went down under the gal! Did I want to go around tellin folks what Fat Peggy had done? Not this child!
How long ago was that? Since then she's endured far greater humiliation at the hands of Woody Allen and her adopted daughter and has spoken about it publicly. The impression I get from interviews with Mia Farrow is she has a strong social conscience and I'm sure it would eat away at her knowing that impressionable young women were being taken advantage of.
Anyway it wouldn't bother me much if it were true. Unlike some I met in the movement, I was never looking for a new religion or someone to "believe in", because all I wanted was to learn to meditate. Once I learned it I got on with my life.
To me Maharishi was just a man with good and bad points like Catholic priests, Baptist ministers, Buddhist monks and Islamic scholars.
Mia does not want to betray her sister, Prudence. (as in "Dear Prudence, won't you come out and play?")
Prudence is still devoted to Maharishi. Prudence is married to Al Brunz, high level administrators who may now be retired.
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Sex has always been the biggest subject for those who feel good by disqualifying it as 'non-spiritual.'
You feel much better though if you let go of these rather superficial judgments. Innocence is on a completely different plane of existence. I believe that the number of affairs or the absence of any affair has nothing to do with spirituality.
I am curious to see more commentary on this (TM and Sex or MMY and Sex) and other TM subjects. This is the first time I have seen this website. I am wondering if there is still life in this thread or if it is elsewhere. I see so much rational thinking (in a good way, LOL) in this thread. I am investigating TM (for personal use) and I also believe that while it may be possible that MMY had Sex, etc, etc, etc, or even that MMY lost control of his Sex Powers---this does not diminish the effectiveness of a potentially helpful practice---UNLESS the practice is intimately linked to MMY. I think that this may be a Message versus the Messanger thing. This is my Dollar and a Half about the subject-I am more writing because it ended almost two months ago and I was enjoying reading this so much... Thanks, Fred
dietrich, I agree with you that the real problem with MMY and sex was the hiding and lying and using young girls who worshipped him, not the sex act itself. If he wanted sex he should have just done it openly with some courage not like an adolescent boy in his closet.
Betty, I agree with you. Doing it sneakily is wrong. Lying that you are a celibate is wrong. Using your charisma and power and influence to get disciples into bed with you is an abuse of power, not unlike incest.
One other way Maharishi misused sex was to tell all of us how to live our lives. He encouraged us to be celibate before marriage. He encouraged us to be celibate after marriage. (I bet some of you never heard of the TM "celibate marriages.") He encouraged a whole bunch of us to become professional celibates (Mother Divine, Purusha, 10
. In other words, he screwed with our minds and our bodies, delaying our dealing with our sexual neuroses.
from my lurkings and investigatings here and there, it seems that the big hoo-haa was quite adolescent about many things to the point of being petulant about having things his way
he very much seems to have used people because he only understood his needs were important - just where the message and the messenger part ways, as in any fundamentalist religion, will always be in question
better, maybe to see if the message is valid and never to take the messenger too seriously especially when the head cheese acts like this one
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