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In reference to the Jerry's Back! article, the collection of the fee in the parking lot prompted me to visit the library's website and read the guidelines for groups using public space. Not only does the library forbit charging for events but also forbids any advertising or solicitation of these events. The librarian is Greg Mullen and he can be contacted at greg.mullen@smgov.net.
Yes, the library website says this with respect to renting of meeting rooms:
All meetings are to be open to the public free of charge. No fee shall be charged, nor donation solicited, nor membership be required as a condition of entry. Collection of dues from members of organizations is permissible, so long as non-members are allowed entry.
As far as I can see this another futile attempt to save a sinking ship. But they still have to accept that TM is sinking and in a matter of years it will be gone. TM died IMHO due to the owners greed for $
And also:
Brahmachari Nand Ki Shore seems to be seated in the middle point of the movement.
Has the man left Germany and found his way to Vlodrop, after so many months?
john | 10.15.09 - 4:14 pm | #
Can we expect Brahmachariji Nend Ki Shore visiting all these centers, inspiring the world with knowledge and experiences of unity?
Anonymous ... Did you alert Mr. Mullen at the Santa Monica Public Library?
Isn't it interesting how the TMO bends the rules of other institutions as though they do not apply? Must be that "right action" that MMY spoke of.
Video link below is related to TMFree conversations. David Logan discusses global "tribes."
This video offers analysis of group dynamics, and ability to accomplish ANYthing.
Humans as social mammals - "tribes" are necessary & inevitable. From superbowl fans to politics, work & family. "We" on TMFree are a tribe. Logan describes 5 stages of tribal membership & capacity to accomplish great things.
On TMFree's global forum (& elsewhere in our offline lives) we have the opportunity to use our global unified common interest/experience to pursue "truth and reconciliation" vs. 'life sucks" from our TM experience. Let's share, warn others, heal & uplift through our shared values.
Thank you all for your participation!
For a little inspiration, Enjoy this video!
http://www.ted.com/talks/
david_l...leadership.html
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Brady wrote: "Isn't it interesting how the TMO bends the rules of other institutions as though they do not apply? Must be that "right action" that MMY spoke of."
Yes, Maharishi said (I paraphrase) "Let's plan what we want to do, the lawyers will figure out how to make it legal"
Maharishi also taught that the laws of the land were manmade, by people who lived "in ignorance" and therefore not necessary to honor the law. He taught / implied that by purifiying our consciousness (meditating our brains into dopamine/seratonin mush) that we would "perform spontaneous right action, following the laws of nature." Of course the "laws of nature" were never defined.. because they exist only in pure consciousness.
All the goobledygook teachings were just to divert us from the illegalities taking place under our noses. The same philosophy was used by "Governor" businessmen in their enterprises, ostensibly justified because their money supported Maharishi's dreams. Applying the nonchalant attitude to the legal system, Ed Beckley and Jeru Hall ended up with prison time for white collar crimes.
MMY was in Switzerland because he was wanted in USA and India for tax evasion.. then even Switzerland wouldn't accept him anymore, so MMY and upper echelon resettled into Vlodrop, Holland. With such background, are we surprised that the LA TM center would collect fees in the library of the Santa Monica Library parking lot?
btw, someone from David Lynch Foundation was reading this site yesterday. We'll probably receive another letter shortly and have to remove this post and comments.
oi vey!
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"Maharishi also taught that the laws of the land were manmade, by people who lived "in ignorance" and therefore not necessary to honor the law."
"But to live outside the law you must be honest." Bob Dylan.
('Absolutely Sweet Marie' off 'Blonde-on-Blonde' album.)
Ah.. "Hurdy Gurdy Man" brings back some memories. It's rumored that Jimmy Page (avid Aleister Crowley enthusiast) did the guitar work on the original. Though there are others who claim it was actually Alan Parker.
Who IS this Hurdy Gurdy man of which he speaks? The M and all gurus? Crowley? Donovan, Page or all the above? 
Thanks for the video on tribes Gina. As someone who's had experience reaching out to another tribe and had my hand cut off, I can appreciate this. Communication is key. But it has to come from both sides. Wrong tribe. Lesson learned.
Just for fun here's my Donovan fav:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=L...feature=related
Anonymous, thanks for digging up the info that Jerry Jarvis is speaking in violation of the library rules. IMO, someone should email the librarian about this, but I don't think the librarian will appreciate being inundated with a dozen emails. So - who has written him? If no one, who plans to email him? Thanks.
I don't like the TMO but feel it is a cheap shot to run to the librarian about this, especially if Jerry Jarvis is embarrassed by it. I will always consider Jerry to be a gentleman. You other girls can have Keith Richards, I would rather have a cup of tea with Jerry any day.
If JJ wants to charge $85 for his second-hand wisdom, that's fine by me. But let him pay the market rate for renting a venue, not scam one for a low or no cost, as it is intended to be for free community events.
As far as JJ being embarassed...he should be embarassed, attempting to collect the illegal fees in the parking lot, away from the scrutiny of library staff. If he is independently wealthy, he should be doubly embarassed.
Jerry speaking is not in violation of library rules. It's the charging of a fee by the Beverly Hills TM Center (not by Jerry) in order to hear him speak and the solicitation of these fees that are both clearly in violation of, I would guess, any public library's rules. There might be many TMers who would like to hear Jerry speak but can't afford this fee (even if a catered lunch is included) but that option isn't even mentioned in the announcement. I would guess that either they won't even show up, or if they do, they wouldn't be made to feel welcome even though that is their right for the use of any public space by any group. Why don't they use the Beverly Hills TM Center for the event and they can charge whatever they can get?
Deborah, I doubt if Jerry had his hand out or accepted a donation for speaking.
I'd heard, years ago, that Jerry left the TM movement behind (in any active sense) to practice as a landscape designer - to have a career to earn money for his eventual retirement.
More recently, I hear that he's financially well-off (implication seemed to be that he's "from wealth").
I wonder which it is?
The reason I find this question interesting is this: With all the information that's come out on TM practice making people spacey and engendering mental-health issues, one wonders how the practice has impacted Jerry's life - especially his worklife. Work is the backbone of most people's lives, and psychological impairment can grievously harm one's worklife. But if you're rich, then you really don't need to be serious about working & career.
Not sure if this is a topic of interest to anyone else here, but does anyone know anything about all this?
Tanemon posted, "With all the information that's come out on TM practice making people spacey and engendering mental-health issues, one wonders how the practice has impacted Jerry's life - especially his worklife."
The spaciness results from the rounding and/or the TM Siddhis program. No spaciness doing 2x20 daily. I have a very active family, social and work life and am grateful for the deep rest from meditation. Works as advertised.
By the way, I noticed that your screen name is "no men @", backwards...coincidence or deliberate? Just curious...
Thanks, D.B. I gues you're probably right about 2x20 - I've heard that it's generally safe. Still, it would be interesting to know about how TM, Sidhis, etc affected Jerry, and whether it mattered much (given his possible personal freedom from work & ordinary responsibilities).
As to my moniker, Tanemon: it's actually an anagram of the word montane (which I had long ago used as an on-line name, since I live in that kind of geographic/geological environment). But that's a secret... don't tell anyone.
Thanks Tanemon, and for the name explanation.
I let Greg Mullin know about the issue and he said he would have his staff investigate regarding the charge for admission to the event.
anon, good for you. This conflating of actions while doing TM, automatically assumed to be "in tune with nature", as a justification for antisocial behavior is really sleazy.
Also antithetical to the process of truly aligning ourselves with reality. More like a waking state wet dream rip-off of enlightenment. Ultimately hurts the TMO much more than it helps.
Thanks again for reporting this
Compliments of Sudarsha:
http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?
...8b3ec6f538418db
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Thank you, Anonymous, for contacting the librarian. It will be interesting to see if Gina gets a follow-up email from the TM Center changing the location for Jerry Jarvis' lecture.
Furthermore, as far as Donovan goes, I don't think he's exactly a selling point for the TMO. Watching his performances, both from the 60s and recent, he now seems so effete and effeminate, he reminded me of Tiny Tim ('Tiptoe Though the Tulips'). I atually laughed.
For some unknown reason reason no one seems to know that Jerry is the son of the very succesful big band leader and Hollywood figure Al JARVIS .I am certain of this because I know his 1st cousin.
Tks, ATP!
I knew Jerry had hollywood connections with family money.
Maharishi (and all cult leaders) cultivated celebrity and influential persons to the group core, for donations, free publicity & connections. No different than Scientology pampering Tom Cruise, the Travoltas and the like.
Since I'd repeatedly dodged the bullet of hanging w/ the inner circle, I didn't know Jerry's details.
Tks for clarifying.
IMHO, it's sad that wealthy, intelligent folks can still be insecure & vulnerable, not even realizing they are being flattered only to be used for their influence.
Saw that a lot in the TM Movement w/ the wealthy & influential being lovingly praised for their consciousness, pearls of wisdom, etc.
M told the Beatles they were angels incarnate. Others were told similar. All with such "gentle love".. ai!
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and a P.S. to my last comment..
ALL of us are - and have been - vulnerable to flattery, "love" and manipulation, especially during life transitions. John clearly described that in an earlier post. Anyone experiencing a life transition is vulnerable for quick & easy "solutions." Human nature.
sigh. Too bad life isn't so easy!
Somehow we often assume that intelligent accomplished folks would be less vulnerable, thus are willing to follow their lead. Thus celebrity endorsements for cults & TV ads.
In fact, the wealthy may be even more vulnerable, especially if they feel undeserving of their status and want to use their influence for a good cause. Wealthy folks frequently have others trying to access them for their money and connections. So much so, that they may then become vulnerable to the most skillful of persuasive con artists.
One wealthy influential businessman I knew, who supported another cult, told me "They (his cult group & leaders) are the only people who accept and love me regardless of my influence and money" He truly believed that!! When in fact, his cult was the most skilled at targeting his personal insecurities to access his devotion, money, recruitment ability and skills. Ironic.
Yes, as written on another thread. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Can be tiresome, but so true!
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ATP, Everyone is a son of someone. Why would anyone know about Jerry's father in particular? If I get your inference you are suggesting that Jerry is living on inherited wealth. If he were,,, then so what?
I really don't get your post at all. Would that be because my father was an Atomic Physicist.....
NPR interview right now with Barbara Ehrenreich, about her latest book, "Bright-sided
How the Relentless Promotion of Positive
Thinking Has Undermined America"
http://
www.barbaraehrenreich.com...brightsided.htm
She articulate describes the down side of positive thinking brought to the level of having blinders to life's challenges. Of course, her book is the antithesis of the global best seller "The Secret."
As I sit here now, I'm listening to Ehrenreich praise the value of carefully thinking through problems for their solutions, rather than quick rapid action based upon relentless idealism. She's not against happiness. She is against the blind pursuit of chirpiness without substance and critical analysis.
She agrees with optimism to move forward with a goal, but to keep the balance perspective with critical analysis.
Nice coincidence to listen to her on NPR right now.
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Paul said...ATP, Everyone is a son of someone
Not quite, Paul!
Please let me clarify:- Everyone is a son or daughter of someone but should be judged on their own merits. I thought that was a basic understanding in the modern world, but apparently ATP thinks otherwise.
Dear Paul
Facts are stubborn things. I don't think you'll find that in the Vedas but maybe your father the physicist could help you with that concept.
F.Y.I. I do not negatively judge Jerry in any way least of all because of his lineage. There is nothing wrong with being the issue of such a talented musician. If Jerry is weathly I think that is a good thing.
Respectfull ATPy
Paul, I think the relevance is getting a handle on the extent the TMO's insiders were and are monied and whether that was who MMY wanted to attract to make the movement.
Although it might be ideal if everyone was judged on their personal merits alone and not their parentage,it is certainly not reflective of reality even among the upper echelon of the TMO.Remember the intense rivalry between Charlie Lutes and Jerry? ( Please refer to the shoving match between the two over M's dearskin referenced in Ned Wynn's book?) I wonder if antisemitism might have been a factor. In my presence I heard Charlie make antisemitic comments of the-Jews-killed-Christ flavor. Now Jerry is ethnicaly Jewish. Maybe Charlie didn"t want a "Christ killer" near the precious dearskin?
ATP, I tell you what, I speak with Jerry from time-to-time, and I don't even ask him about his relationship with Maharishi, let alone his father. I wonder if one day people will be discussing who my father was, and what influence he had in my taking up the role of biographer to Maharishi and translator of Guru Dev's teachings. But that is no bad thing, since my father, apart from being an able physicist, played keyboards extremely well.
Ruth, it is obvious that none of Maharishi's associates could have devoted so much time to his movement had they been dependant on a 9-to-5 wage. That has always been apparent and is not news. But perhaps we will yet discover that Maharishi only surrounded himself with those who could whistle tunefully?
My father was a proud housebuilder and bricklayer......that doesnt make me build Stapatavedahouses with entrance east.
Bjarne
Paul, I don't get where you're trying to go with this Jerry's father thing. ATP made a simple statement of who Jerry's father was and you started making inferences about what ATP implied that don't appear to be true. It's just a "fun fact" for heaven's sake!
Anon, well if ATP was only trying to share "fun fact" stuff, why has he turned the subject to Charlie Lutes' alleged anti-Semitism? ATP has gone on to project that in Charlie's eyes Jerry would have been a "Christ killer". Do you see that as a "fun fact" too? - "for heaven's sake! "
Is this the Paul Mason that posts on TMfree? Heavy Man!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...-
operation.html
No, Paul, I don't consider projections (or inferences) made by anyone, including yourself, to be facts ("fun" or otherwise)...they are the opinions of the writer. I'm only saying that you might want to re-read the original short comment about Jerry's lineage (a "fun" fact) and then see how later projections developed as a result of your inferences to a simple fact. I also consider the alleged "shoving match" between Charlie and Jerry over the deerskin to be another "fun" fact but not necessarily the "I wonder if" projections based on it. 
Anonymous, this is a forum about TM, not a trivia swapmeet about those who got close to Maharishi. People marshall their energies without necessarily showing their intentions. I figured ATP to be here for something other than sharing fun facts & reacted accordingly. The fact that ATP then took his fun fact sharing on to question whether Charlie perceived Jerry as a "Christ killer" rather suggests that I was right.
I am neither grossly fat or happy to be Anonymous
Paul or Anon, facts or alleged facts are exchanged on this forum, including by you, fairly regularly. Most of them, including the one to which I'm referring, are about TM or those associated with TM. Everything else is someone's projection or opinion. And if you are "Anon" (which I believe requires that you actually type "Anon" in the name slot) then that would be pretty funny that you would post a link to a grossly fat Paul Mason as "Anon" and then respond to it as "Paul Mason". 
Buongiorno all!
Miscommuniques occur easily through the internet.
Yes, Paul Mason on this site is the author of MMY's biography, and more recently the author of Guru Dev's biography.
Paolo, FYI, I think ATP's remark about Jerry's father being a successful Hollywood personality was in reference the allusion in my post that Jerry came from family money and lived in Bel Air. Another comment stated that Jerry perhaps had pursued work as a landscaper and maybe did not have family money. ATP merely clarified that, to his knowledge, Jerry probably had family money. This was merely to confirm, as we all know, that those in MMY's closest devotional circles and spiritual status had ample financial resources.
As to Charlie Lutes' possibly antisemitic remarks, My parents were close to Charlie Lutes (and Walter Koch, and the Olsens for that matter).
I'd heard Charlie state repeatedly that the Jews incurred terrible group karma from killing Jesus Christ (eye roll). In the twisted goobledygook reasoning, that explained millenia of Jewish persecution. Did that encourage antisemitism in Charlie's followers? Maybe.. shrug.
Charlie & Jerry ever in competition?
IMHO, Yes and no.. Charlie had his hard core occultist fans, and Jerry had the MMY blinder fans. Charlie was of the previous generation with Roland & Helena Olsen & Walter Koch. Jerry was with the baby boomers.
Fighting over MMY's deerskin? Well, I wasn't there and cannot comment. But didn't everyone want the honor of carrying the deerskin?
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OMG... and I missed something above also..
The link to "Paul Mason" mentioned above is NOT to the Paul Mason (Paolo for me) that posts on this blog.
Ai! This is our Paul Mason/ Paolo:
http://www.paulmason.info/paulma...son/
profile.htm
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Dear Paul
Do I not have a right to be offended by a gratuitous antisemitic comment made in my presence in a public setting? Can I not make a reasonable inference based on that comment?
Thanks to Gina for your collateral confirmation. Is it so vindictive of me to speculate that a devotee might try to protect the deerskin or its owner from "bad karma"
Facts are stubborn things...
>>I'd heard Charlie state repeatedly that the Jews incurred terrible group karma from killing Jesus Christ (eye roll).
Did MMY ever express any views on this?
Was CL ever confronted over this statement?
"Dear Paul
Do I not have a right to be offended by a gratuitous antisemitic comment made in my presence in a public setting?..."
People have the right to be offended by anything what-so-ever.
BUT.....This forum, the TMO and True Believers often enjoy kicking around the Catholic Church, Jesus Christ and many other Christian ideals/ideals. Heck "Everyone KNOWS that the Church murdered Millions!!!".
Hold on - once there is any mention of Jews or the Jewish Faith with the slightest of perceived negativity, then the ANTISEMITIC barometer goes wild. Then watch the name calling start.
PLEASE, don't throw stones at others if you don't want a rock fight.
Want to cry & moan about the Nazi's and Holocaust too?
Knock yourself out.
Call me a Nazi, a Klan member or whatever you need to paint others as
persecutors. Once you and others are done, resort to YOUR persecution and
name calling of Christians and who ever else doesn't fit your mold.
I've encountered more hate speech and
prejudice on these Yoga forums then while in the company of southern white red necks.
Chuck:
Please weigh in on the southern white red necks.
You appear to be a resident expert.
Thanks!
SouthernGrad, I undertake where yore comin from and franklie had a similarly reaction in my gut from what mr. ed has done burped up! Firstly, I aint seen no criticism of Crustianity on this site except by Betty and by yours truly, both of who has been raised up in this said faith... As Deborah has done said , "I know of what I speak." Secondly, I aint encountered more hateful speech from anyone here than what continues to drool out of mr ed's face! It aint necessarily the content of what mr ed is tryin to spit out, it's the angry little heart that its bein hocked up frum! I wuld have to say that the southern man is generally a good fellow, who will rarely rope drag anothyer without serious promptation!
Thirdly, the question of the red neck... It has been many a year since yours truly has had a neck to speak of. I have what my wife calls "a chin to chest continuum", meaning an unbroken wall of tissue that starts at the chin and connects to the chest. That's how it looks from the front. From behind, it's like the head sits directly on the sloped shoulders! Since I wear a long sleeved work shirt buttoned at the top to keep off the chiggers, I aint got no red on what little neck I got!
Havin sead this, I still understan where mr. ed is comin from and sympathize with his momma for what the gal has done gone threw in the raisin of him!
Dang it all, Chuck!
Ya got us all in stitches and what's more, you speak the country truth!
Pretty rare combo in today's world of hype and huff.
Can we keep you on retainer?
What is the name of this book by Ned Wynn? It sounds terrific.
Re: Jerry Jarvis and money: Here is what I remember. About 1972, I believe he was at the Humboldt State College, Arcata, California, USA one-month summer course that Maharishi led. (My boyfriend and I attended.) Jerry gave a lecture or 2. I think the TV cameras appeared for a little evening with Maharishi, so in between Maharishi's lectures, Jerry thought it would be lovely to entertain the TV audience with his wife singing an amateur rendition of "Michelle" by the Beatles. She had teased hair, and sang poorly, and singing a Beatles song embarrassed me since the Beatles had recently dissed Maharishi, and she got the words wrong, and put a "pop tune/torch song" flavor to it. You could tell how much Jerry loved his wife by the pride and love-is-blindness with which he introduced her talents to the audience.
But I digress. That is just a "fun fact."
Regarding Jerry and money, I believe it was on this course that I heard that Jerry received a very modest annual salary from the TM movement. He was the U.S. head of the Students International Meditation Society, and the rumor was that he was receiving $12,000 (US) or was it $20,000 (US) a year. For that year, that would be lower-lower middle class. Really a modest sum. They also said that his wife worked full-time with him without compensation for the TM movement. (Which struck me as a dying gasp of the pre-feminist days, when women's work was considered volunteer work.) The implication was a defensive "No one is getting rich off this movement."
Perhaps that was true back in 1972. We here on TMFB now have lots of info that leads us to believe that Maharishi and his family got rich off this movement in the subsequent years.
Anyhow, hope you enjoy my little reminiscence.
>>Regarding Jerry and money, I believe it was on this course that I heard that Jerry received a very modest annual salary from the TM movement
I think it's safe to say that MMY was an equal-opportunity exploiter. He took what anyone was capable of giving.
Can't remember that event at Humboldt! Perhaps I was busy skinnydipping naked that day.
Ned Wynn's book is called 'We Have Always Lived in Beverly Hills'.
Deborah - thanks for the book title. Re: Jerry's wife singing -- there were 2 courses at Humboldt that summer, I believe. One in July and one in August. I think. Maybe you were on the one I wasn't on. Or if there was only one course that summer, oh good! We were both on the same course. It is remarkable how few people here on TMFB were on the same courses. If I have time, maybe I'll post a few more reminiscences from Humboldt, if you (and others) would enjoy that. I would love to hear yours too, if you want to share them.
You are a new reader to TMFB, am I correct? If you want to read some of my other reminiscences of Humboldt, click onto "by Laurie" on the right hand panel on the home page. In some of "trips down memory lane" I've recorded remarks by MMY from Humboldt. Usually I've put the memories in chronological order, so they'll be pretty easy to find. Enjoy! (Or not.)
Hi L...I was at Poland Springs in July and Humboldt in August. I enjoyed both courses. All the men still had long hair
Thanks for the heads-up.
Also, is there a way to email any of the panelists?
Deborah,
To directly contact anyone here, you may contact John Knapp to request online introduction or email address. John's email address is posted in several places on TMFree blog.
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