Gravatar I don't tell you this enough, but you, sir, are a genius.


Gravatar "why would any voter answer "the party which conceded government to Wall in the first place"?"

Wouldn't that be the NDP though? If they'd done a better job the last 16 years, there'd be no voter fatigue for them, and they'd win this next election handily.

David's right, that when the NDP lose this election, they'll turf Calvert, and their new crop of MLAs will be no more experienced than new Liberal MLAs. The new NDP will have the baggage of being lead by the people who got this province into the various messes that exist today.

I'm not handing Wall a majority. The NDP ensured it. They didn't use their 16 years to implement electoral reform, so we are stuck with FPTP. The NDP have themselves to blame for that, and Wall's coming majority government, when it would have ended up as a minority government under a system like MMP or STV.


Gravatar I am going to post something that I put on Fuddle Duddle last night, because it is relevant in this post as well...

"Where I come from, we have an old saying that goes 'Liberal / Tory, same old story'.

This post is proof of the fact that the Liberal party is a 'phony' party and should just DIE - most of it's members should join the Conservatives (where they will be ideologically at home) - the rest of the Liberals (those who are progressive) should join the New Democrats, where they would be welcomed.'

AMEN!


Gravatar I think you're missing the point of the Jurist's post, Saskboy: by running for second place and suggesting that the NDP have to be removed from government, the Liberals are implicit in a Sask Party government. How can an opposition party have any power if they explicitly helped the current government get elected?

A better question for you, though, is why you insist on voting Liberal in this election. The Grits will certainly not be taking any seats in Regina; if you're so hell bent on a Sask Party government, why not just go all the way and vote for one?

The Jurist and Buckdog are definitely right: progressive voters have no choice but to vote NDP in this election.


Gravatar Deron, you missed my points.
The NDP didn't implement electoral reform. They made their bed and are about to lie in it.

"The Grits will certainly not be taking any seats in Regina;"
That's not certain at all. By suggesting it's a two party race in the province, you, Jurist, and Leftdog are complicit in giving the Sask Party a majority, without having a third party in the Legislature to make it a Sask Party or NDP minority gov't.


Gravatar Your Green party link is broken.


Gravatar I'm not handing Wall a majority. The NDP ensured it. They didn't use their 16 years to implement electoral reform, so we are stuck with FPTP.

While I hope Calvert pulls this out and agree that the Liberals are Satanspawn, Saskboy does make a valid point about electoral reform.


Gravatar Saskboy: I'd ask what the NDP could have done over the last 16 years to avoid you and other Libs trying to spread the "voter fatigue" meme in order to gain at the expense of the NDP. (Particularly when your only gripe in this thread is one which the NDP has itself incorporated in this year's platform.) But I know better than to expect an honest answer.

Simply put, the NDP is actually fighting against the Sask Party, the Libs are publicly calling for them to be handed the keys to the province. And anybody who can spin themselves far enough to pretend it's the NDP conceding anything is far beyond belief.

The link, however, is a fair point and will be fixed.

Deron: In fairness, I'd never go so far as to say there's no choice - it's just about as obvious a choice as it humanly possible. The NDP has the only realistic chance of stopping Wall, a far stronger caucus (both now and whatever the result of the election), and when it comes to values its governing record is more progressive than even the Libs' platform (let alone their post-election veer to the right).

Greg: Yes and no. I'd like to have seen action sooner, but at least the NDP (unlike either of the other main parties) has made electoral reform an issue now. And Saskboy can hardly complain that something hasn't been done when he's fighting so hard to make sure it doesn't happen now.


Gravatar Nonsense Jurist, I've been calling for electoral reform at least since BC tried for it years ago. Perhaps you noticed the MMP button on my Abandoned Progressive blog

"(Particularly when your only gripe in this thread is one which the NDP has itself incorporated in this year's platform.) But I know better than to expect an honest answer."

Bitter much? In this thread I couldn't begin to sum up why we need the NDP gone in this province (at least this election).


Gravatar Saskboy: Understood that you're generally onside with the need for electoral reform. But that makes it all the less explicable that you're slamming a party which has it in its platform for the benefit of a party which doesn't.


Gravatar That's because it's a lost battle, for now anyway. I couldn't convince the 'electoral reform NDP' while they were in power to implement it, and I won't be able to do so with the conservative Sask Party who will not be eager to lessen their grip on power for the good of everyone in the province.

The NDP are hypocrites. At least they have it in their platform, but weighing all things, they should have been turfed long ago. I don't fault them for bringing forward an important issue like PR, but I don't BELIEVE THEM because their actions indicate they are just using it to win votes and have no intention of following through.




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