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Interesting results. It is usually said that communication is a women's world. Not for blogs apparently...
I suggest you do the same research with nasty tranvestite bloggers : I know one at least : Amanda Chapel 
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03.29.06 - 2:12 am | #
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Men are more likely to be computer geeks.
Men also are more likely to be opinionated jackasses.
I think these are the two reasons we dominate. Obviously, there are no other barriers -- since anyone can start a blog for free in five minutes.
Be proud that you're better than us.
After all, only a guy could have launched Strumpette.
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03.29.06 - 6:53 am | #
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Regardless of the sex of Ms. Chapel (though, as stated before, my gut is that she is a woman; but "further more" evidence may prove me wrong), Strumpette.com has raised the awareness level for female bloggers.
Say, maybe that's Ms. Chapel's real purpose? Wouldn't that be a hoot!
Mike
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03.29.06 - 7:55 am | #
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Hi Kim:
Thanks again for mentioning and using the PR list for your piece on women PR bloggers.
Using the 30 day tab was the best idea because the list doesn't fluctuate like the daily list (the daily list fluctuates so much becuase of the nature of the blogging beast, where a blog can be hot one day and not so much the next). The 30 day list is an average of the daily list going back a month.
When you say "unreliable", you seem to be referring to the 30 day list, which we have found to be pretty reliable (although within the past week, there have been a few issues that we are working out right now).
I hope that I can help solve any unreliability issues that you may have seen with the 30 day list.
Please feel free to contact me.
Regards
Steven Cohen
PubSub Concepts, Inc
scohen@pubsub.com
Steven M. Cohen |
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03.29.06 - 8:05 am | #
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Kami,
I'm honored to be included in your list. Thank you.
Andrea Weckerle |
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03.29.06 - 8:57 am | #
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Scott; I am pretty opinionated, but I think that the difference may lie in the way that women share information. Before I started my own blog, I was pretty reticent to leave comments on blogs of people I didn't know. I guess women are more relational and men are more informational.
No offense Mike, but I completely disagree with you, if he turns out to be a she, I will buy you lunch, that is a promise. I mean, no women would use that language, AND he has already admited to the ruse in his own comments. As for raising awareness for women, what in the world are you talking about (dumbfounded look on face)?
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 9:05 am | #
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As for the reliability of PubSub. It is a GREAT service and gives a general snapshot, but until popular blogs don't unexplicably drop to the bottom of the list, it's reliabilty has to be in question.
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 9:07 am | #
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Steven, with all due respect, your PR list and Technorati's have some serious issues.
You've got a spam blog with one post that actually has a link rank, due to its parasitic hold on Peter West's blog.
(It's at crisismediarelations dot blogspot dot com. I don't dare link to it here...)
I'm not sure we need to bemoan the metrics until we're sure the measurements mean anything. At least that's what I'm going to tell the 12 people who read my blog.
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03.29.06 - 9:18 am | #
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Kami,
For the awareness issue, there have been posts (yours, for example) and comments about women blogging and how women are perceived in business and PR specifically.
If Strumpette.com was not the seed for your post, then I apologize.
The comments here and at blogs like Robert French, John Wagner and others about women have been the result of the strumpette blog. People are debating or commenting about the sexuality of business women, whether or not they should use sex to promote themselves, if it's degrading to women, etc.
That's what I meant about raising awareness. Sorry if I was a bit vague.
Mike
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03.29.06 - 9:34 am | #
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I'm Strumpette!
No, I'm Strumpette!
No, I'm Strumpette!
I'm Strumpette!
Ad nauseum...
Sam Smith |
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03.29.06 - 10:08 am | #
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Mike; I see what you are saying and no, this wasn't the seed of my post. I have actually been working on this since December when the Pew study came out.
I admit, I did release it now, when there is some concern out there. So, that we are talking about women's issues is a good thing, and yes, the Strump posts set it off.
However, I am much more concerned about the reaction to the site than the site itself. After all, there is all kinds of much nastier stuff than the Strump on the Internet.
What concerns me is when outsiders come to believe that PR is as it is descibed in Strump's Hollywood version. This thoughtful PR blogging community, really needs to make sure that doesn't happen.
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 10:13 am | #
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Sam; Are you he? PS I like your beauty shot just fine, don't change a thing!
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 10:16 am | #
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Posted on this over at re:invention's blog today as well (ironically before I read your post). Tracked back to ya.
Join us at BlogHer - I'm speaking - or AD:Tech (I'm hosting a panel on marketing bloggers).
kindly,
kirsten
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03.29.06 - 11:13 am | #
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Kami, you raise a very valid point. All musings aside about Strumpette, I feel it would be quite beneficial to the industry, and to overall perceptions of our esteemed profession, if there were a more balanced ratio of male and female voices in the PR blogosphere. I enjoy reading viewpoints from all sides, regardless of gender. I am sure other bloggers would agree...
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03.29.06 - 12:50 pm | #
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thanks to Amanda for the reminder.
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
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Alice
my name is Alice
Alice Marshall |
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03.29.06 - 1:54 pm | #
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Kami,
Thanks for your comment! This post definitely added some insight and hard numbers to what I was trying to convey. Hopefully women in PR will begin to answer the call and start giving themselves more of a voice in the blogosphere, quashing imposters like Strumpette in the process.
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03.29.06 - 1:57 pm | #
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Alice; wow, I really did it, didn't I? Sorry!
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 2:22 pm | #
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Hey, it's OK. And thanks for the link.
Alice Marshall |
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03.29.06 - 2:30 pm | #
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Keith; I am not looking for any affirmative action for women here. I think women can earn their way to the top ranks, it just takes a lot of time to do it. Most women are playing many roles and time is a factor.
Also, I think that we are just now pouring into this space that was largely created by men and has traditionally been dominated by them. I would be interested to know what the ratio of men to women is in tech PR. My gut would say it is more men, though that gap may aleady be closing. As such, most bloggers were tech PR types in the past, but that too is clearly changing.
Daniel, Stephen; Thanks for the encouragement and the kind words.
Kami Huyse |
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03.29.06 - 2:35 pm | #
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Kami, I completely agree with you; I'm not looking for affirmative action either. I apologize if I was not clear before, but I was simply validating your point that it would be nice to see more female voices and perspectives represented in the PR blogosphere.
This is anecdotal evidence obviously, but I have worked in the technology practices of two top-five international agencies, and the make-up of those practices was mostly women. At one agency, the tech practice was 80% women.
As you suggested in your original post, perhaps male dominance is simply a demographical characteristic of PR bloggers -- and not necessarily indicative of technology PR.
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03.29.06 - 4:32 pm | #
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I have been trying for nearly three years to encourage women PRs to blog. Its been lonely out here. I am happy to see some new folks carrying the torch!
Elizabeth Albrycht |
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03.30.06 - 5:28 am | #
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Thanks Keith, I wasn't saying that you were asking for AA, I was just making it clear that we want to earn our place and our voice in the PR Blogoshere.
Thanks for your techPR insights, okay ladies, where are you??? Why do you choose not to blog, or if you do, what are your goals.
Do men care more about rank than women?
I don't have the raw data, but do as many women as men blog, they just don't have high ranking, because of...
I would love to hear what you all think.
Kami Huyse |
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03.30.06 - 11:39 am | #
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Do men care more about rank than women?
Not sure, though I am sure that one could make a credible argument for either men or women being more vain than the other.
For me, I do periodically check (okay, every 30 minutes ) my links in Technorati, PubSub, Alexa, wholinkstome.com, etc. etc.
Seriously, no matter how unselfish we like to be, ego is *part of* blogging. If our traffic didn't gradually grow with regular posting and no one commented or tracked back, then how long would we really continue to blog?
Note that I said part of. There are definitely other benefits I and I'm sure others get from blogging that has nothing to do with who reads our stuff.
Mike
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03.30.06 - 3:32 pm | #
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I wish you'd dump Halo Scan. It's annoying to go to another site, via pop up window, to post a comment.
PubSub is worthless, the worst tracking service I know of.
I would think that women would totally dominate all sectors of the blogosphere.
I thought women loved to chat, talk, gossip, keep intimate diaries and journals.
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03.30.06 - 11:42 pm | #
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Steven; Hey, good, thanks for letting me know how you feel. I have a pretty decent list of reasons that I use Haloscan, it isn't perfect, but it does some stuff I can't get anywhere else. I might be able to tweak it a bit. I have already gotten a link back to the post added to the top of the page. At least that way you know which post you are commenting on when you return. Maybe I'll post about why I use Haloscan, thanks for the idea.
You also make a good point, women have all the skills necessary to make a successful run of the Internet, we shall see how it all shakes out.
Kami Huyse |
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03.31.06 - 8:46 am | #
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The critical mass of male bloggers makes it even harder for women to succeed as bloggers. Many of the male bloggers use Digg, Technorati and other social media sites. They also have blogs. So they submit their friends' blogs and favourite them. When one male computer geek knows 10 or 20 people who will do this for him, it's hard for the lone female of the group to get attention.
Andrea >> Become a Consultant |
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05.12.07 - 4:18 pm | #
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It is interesting that women are still behind in numbers of bloggers as well as in positions of power. I have done a lot of research on this topic and wrote a blog on women and public relations. If you're interested, please check it out!
http://tehamagroupcommunications...ns.prblogs.org/
Lindsay |
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