The answer to the question posted to any average film goer[from 1946]will be, without hesitation, MGR [MAXIMUM GUARANTEE RAMACHANDRAN]. Till date no actor wants to compare their film collections with the only and only Box Office Emperor the world has even seen.
Just forget about those people, who can not digest MGR phenomena. The truth always is MGR the ONE and ONLY Box Office GOD yesterday, to-day and to-marrow and forever. Ignore all others...
real sivaji ganesan fans will agree the flops of their flims
1952-1977 25 years sg flims released
more than 185 flims .out of 185 there was only 45 flims were successfull and near about 125 flims were utterflop and never rereleased . this facts will be agreed by all the distributors who are still alive.
sivaji no doubt one of the best actors. but box office hero the only one makkal thilagam MGR for ever.
just ignore mayyam comments and its worth is zero
ennappa ithu... simma kuralon seitha sadhanaigal ondra renda... Just a sample: 1968 & 1972 deepavali two movies at a time (Ooty varai uravu & iru malargal, sorgam & engirondha vandhal) - both of them completed 100 days at all major centers in TN. Can you refute this statement? or can you prove that any other tamil actor ever accomplished this? Re-release movies-la Madurai-ilaya 1980s V P Kattabomman 80 days run innum yarom adikkale... it ran over 100+ days in re-release in Trichy and Chennai. In 1990s, Madurai Meenakshi theater (supposed to be MGR fort) has released Avan thaan Manithan and it made record BO collection. So, in any angle, NT BO success is unparallel in tamil movie history.
Think relaistically... Makkal thilagam MGR movies could mostly cater his hard core fans and rural masses - because he was too selective in choosing roles. In contrast, NT was too liberal and it attracted everyone - both rural and urban. To run movies for silver jubilee and over, you will need to cater the taste of every one in the society. Engal Annan singa tamilzhan movies must have catered all sections of the society, so no wonder he created a revolution. Another example, in middle 1990s, when I lived in Mumbai, I had to pay 100% more to buy black ticket on Sunday morning show for NT's one and only Paasamalar (at Aurora theater)
Because MGR has had an unseen success in tamil politics, every one today believes that he must had same success in films. This assumption is not necessarily true and i guess it is not true. We agree MGR was a mass hero, but a mass hero is not necessarily a BO phenomenon. Thats what mayyam was talking about. MGR fans always bring only some movies such as EVP, NM, and USV - in contract, we could bring more S. Jubilee movies during NT-MGR time. We never degraded MGR's phenomenon and at the same time, we have told the general audience the truth. You have to note that MGR fans never counteracted with proofs. Do not bring today's re-releases - obviously, MGR has much more advantage here because he was successful in politics and even today, his political base is one of the largest in TN. However, when I visit Madurai even today, I see NT has got as much re-release as MGR's. So, NT's base is very much alive and it will be there forever.
As per what I heard, in starting times, MGR needed DMK base support to run his movies, which NT never needed. Congress was never there for NT - and in fact, it was other way around. In spite of these, NT made a history - in every aspects of tamil film industry, not just BO. It was very clear in many movies that his self-confidence in his job was unbelievable. Even latter year Thevar Magan is testimony of his talent.
So, singa tamilzhan has achieved both BO revolution + put a solid foot on acting revolution. The only place MGR has beaten NT was politics - that everyone agrees and knows. We have no issues here.
Dear Ram Sir, thank you telling it in decent way. Anyhow the post I choosed here is flop movies are not re-released and only MGR's mega hit movies are released frequently and I have to answer that question and counter act as you say one by one.
I have given some proof of re-release of MGR's average movies which have not touched 70 days run. And still will follow from all over Tamil Nadu.
I again repeating I am giving the proof for what they mentioned that his flop movies are not released if it is released they will know the real power of MGR? The question is counter acted, but still more to come on this re-release matter.
MGR re-release is unparallel in History.
I will touch all other matters in coming post including the Politics and how it helped MGR and how MGR helped his Party.
1953-1967 was ruled by Congress, 1967 to 1976 (1972 he was thrown from the Party) ruled by DMK. From 1972 to 1977 he was opposition and how he managed to give atleast 3 movies per year was worthy to mention. 14 + 5 = 19 years he was in opposition side and he faced a lot in movies and as well as in life. Everybody knows that and you too, but you want to make it rosy for MGR's success. His most successful movies came not during DMK rule that you will accept.
TAMIL FILM ORIGINAL BOX OFFICE HERO
MAKKAL THILAGAM M.G.R. ONLY ONE HERO
TAMIL FILM HISTRY MAKKAL THILAGAM
1964:PONGAL REALESE - VETTAIKKARAN - 147DAYS
1965 :PONGAL REALESE - ENGA VETTU PILLAI - 236DAYS
1966 : PONGAL REALESE - ANBE VAA - 154 DAYS
INTHA SADHANAI UNGA (S) GANESANUKKU
IRUGA ..... INNUM VARUM MAKKAL THILAM HISTRY.....
Simma kuralon seitha sadhanaigal, for many Producers it was a real SODHANAI because Tamil Nadu knows the number of flops he has given despite being the best among actors.
Regarding the comments Thaliavar Advantage(politics), he was the only representative of the Mass. What matters is not the quantity (number of films acted or released on a particular day which was successful) but the quality and the message which only makes the common see the film till now. Never try to measure the success of other actors with the Scale used to measure Thalaivars Films. Even if it is done you are going to put the achievements of all other actors in a very pathetic situation.
Even the Acronym "MGR" (Maximum Guarantee Ramachandran) will clear the slightest of the doubt which any one may have.
Finally, please do not test the RAM of Puratchi Thalaivars Devotees.
contineu... makkal thilagam film histry
1968 - kudiyurunha koil - 10centre 100days - higgestdays - 133daya
1969 - adimaipenn - 15 centre 100days
higgest days - 176days
1970 - mattukkara velan - 12 centre 100days - higgest days - 177days
1971 - richakkaran - 12 centre 100days
higgest days - 167 days
1972 - nallaneram - 10centre 100days
higgest days - 141days
1973 - ulagam sutrum valiban - 22 centre 100days - chennai deviparadise182days,agasthiya - 176days, madurai meenachi - 217days, trichy palace - 203 days
1974 - urimaikkural - 12 centre,
higgest days - madurai cinepriya - 200days, nellai - lakshmi - 182days
1975 - idhayakani - 12 centre 100days
higgest days - madurai chindhamani - 146 days.( only tamilnadu mattumea )
nadigar (s)ganesan vedhanai
1968 - thillana - 6centre- 100days
1969 - sivantha - 8 centre - 100days
1970 - sorgam - 4 centre 100days
1971 - s.samalea - 7 centre 100days
1972 - v.maligai - 11 centre 100days
1973 - e.t.raja - 8 centre 100days
1974 - t.pathakkam - 11 centre100days
1975 - a.manithan - 5centre 100days
ellamea ottappatta centre
makkal thilagam histry innum varum
again and again, you fans should know what I am saying. No doubt about MGR's people power - he cultivated that image very carefully. The clear evidence: he became CM. Definitely, MGR was one of the most popular heroes in tamil films - the point is we do not accept the claim in the media that he has not given any flops. Just like any other heroes, he has given flops. Some of them I remember right now are:
1. paasam
2. kathal vaganam
3. koduthu vaithaval
4. ther thiruvilazha
5. ulaikkum karangal
6. neerum niruppum, etc.
Now again these movies may get re-released and when they do, you are definitely going to claim that they all collected BO record. Irrespective of that, they are originally flops - thats what we would like to say!! there is nothing wrong to admin the facts and none denies that USV and EVPillai are BO smashing hits. At the same time, you must admin that NT had equal or better record in BO. Number of NT's Silver Jubilee movies is a clear evidence for this claim.
One crucial point I had pointed earlier that NT didn't cultivate any stereo-type roles and he was open to do any roles. Most of these roles seem have been accepted by general people, not just his fans. Thats why his not-so-good/drunkard characters like Anand in Vasantha Maaligai created history in TN, but in places like Sri Lanka, Bangalore and other urban centers - where the collection makes huge profit for distributors and producers. Thats precisely the reason why producers lined up after him after string of super profitable movies - like A P Nagarajan, A. Bhim Singh, Balajee, P.Madhavan of Arun Prasad Movies and others. Again, as I said earlier, barring few movies, MGR movies mostly catered his hard core fans and general public. Thats why movies such USV, EVP, Anbe Vaa were smashing hits - because they were liked by all, not just by you. Other movies are centered around his fan base - but again, that helped him to become CM.
Also, MGR's general known movies such as USV/EVP/NM/Anbe Vaa are big-budget movies and they ran very well. NT's SJubilee movies such as Parasakthi/Paava Manippu/Paasalmalar/PPattanama/ThangaPathakkam/V. Maaligai/Thygam/Thirisoolam are all low to medium budget movies and they are all BO smashing hits. Now, tell me who had better rate-of-return to the producers? Who catered not just to fan masses, but also to the general audience? It was NT and only NT - thats why he had more Silver Jubilee movies (even considering NT-MT time). Even some of the great MGR movies like Ayarithil Oruvan was just 100 day movie, not more than that. Though it was a great color movie, the reason was the movie too focussed on MGR do-gooder fan base.
Roop: Do not again bring re-run category, they are running because, as I said earlier, MGR has been the most successful political force and that is the only reason why his movies are coming back. But, again, NT being a failure in politics, his movies are still coming back reguarly - that its
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Roop: Do not again bring re-run category, they are running because, as I said earlier, MGR has been the most successful political force and that is the only reason why his movies are coming back. But, again, NT being a failure in politics, his movies are still coming back reguarly - that itself tells the charisma and hold he had in tamil films. All I can advise you is admit the facts.
Other MGR fans: Claming NT as Sodhanai - it is so untrue and be decent on the forum. Both MT and NT are dead - still, you couldn'st digest NT's record. That shows NT indeed made records and beaten MGR handsomely. That also shows the frustration from your part. If NT were a sodhani, no producer would have come back to him. But history shows different - in fact, excepting Jai Shankar, he had the most ever repeat producers in tamil films - say, a.p.nagarajan, a.bhimsingh, balajee, arun prasad movies, avm and others. All of you know, barring Devar, none repeated MGR. Now, tell me who was a real sodhanai? What happened to A P Nagarajan on his last movie - you all know!!? All the movies that Raju listed as Vedhanai are BO record hits and most of them in fact, in spite of non high budget movies, smashed MGR collections. For example: thangapathakkam has handsomely beaten big-budget USV.
By lookinig at your posts, i remember goundamani's dialogue: Dai Narayana, enth Kosu tholla thaanga mudiyalada
One last note: NT's movies were not made to run - they ran and you will not claim the same to MGR's. Do not claim non-Silver Jubilee movies as Silver Jubilee movies. Example: Nadodi Mannan
Comparing is the most indecent and frustated approach any individual will get involved. So, if Persons get into that extreme why we cannot point out the facts.
The four failures (listed from Memory) out of 136 films is negligible if they did not have a successful run, initially. The saying is "the man who has the last laugh laughs the best". The rest is known to every individual in Tamil Nadu.
We cannot have any comments about the best among actors (NT) but do not want to list the number of Flops of NT. Just a simple statement: Being successful by performing one similar type of role is most difficult.
The success is measured by consistency, for years, and it is not a one time affair. For the ready reference of NT fans (vietnam Veedu), it is not enough if you stand, you should stay. That is where Makkal Thilagam films success is far ahead of others.
Ram Sir your people asked me is there any re-run for MGR flop movies, the truth is all MGR movies are re-released every week all over Tamilnadu. I have also answered in my previous blog why MGR movies are re-released frequently even there is no negative of that movie. Please go through that.
Your comment:
MGR has been the most successful political force and that is the only reason why his movies are coming back.
Where did MGR get a Political base if his movies were mostly flops as written in Mayyam. Is your statement contradicts mayyam thread. Where did his fans come from if MGR started a party in 1972 and he got the base then, illogical - you think about that Ram Sir.
We did not say Neerum Nerupum etc movies are box Office success, you people said if these movies re-released like USV, Anbay Vaa, Ayirathil Oruvan etc., now the real power of MGR will be known that is why I produced this post. This post is dedicated to the people who have said they have unveiled the mask of Box Office Emperor MGR.
Do you think we have to keep quite having the present re-release records which are produced in News papers as ads and new articles. Think in my position will you be quite and allow to write anything, definitely not.
This blog is about the past and present news of MGR.
MGR IN EVPILLAI-ADIMAIPENN-NADODIMANNAN-ANBEVAA-
RICKSHAWKKARAN-USV-URIMAIKKURAL-PADAKOTTI-
KAVALKARAN-KKOIL-OLIVILAKKU-NAMNAADU- MATTUKKARAVELAN-ENGALTHANGAM-ENANNAN-KUMARIKOTTAM-
NALLANERAM-IDHAYAKKANI AND OTHER 25 B/W MGR MOVIES RUNNING IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TAMILNADU AND DIFFERENT CENTRES AS RERELESED SINCE 1955 TO TILL DATE.
WE HAVE RECORDS FOR THE ABOVE SAID AND MGR STILL ALIVE AND MAKING REVENUE TO THE GOVT EVEN HE IS NO MORE.
MAY BE SOME MGR FLIMS FLOP BUT IN SECOND ROUNDS AND THENAFTER THAT MOVIES ALSO MADE PROFIT TO THE DISTRIBUTORS.
Thanks to Mr. S. Vinod and B.S. Raju for their nice way of reply.
Whatever may be the situation, MGR starred all films still creat records in collection whenever and wherever released.
This fact cannot be denied. His movies are not merely movies but lessors to every individual in life.
In real life the beloved leader MGR smoothened his relationship and developed in a harmonious way even with his opponents.
This type of attitude he possess and taught to us.
finally, East or West
MGR the Best
Vanil nilvu illaiyel oli illai
Dharmathalaivan MGR Illaiyel Tamil pada ulagame illai.
It is nice to be important
and it is more important to be
nice.
This suits to my affectionate leader and ever green hero MGR.
M for Magnificient
G for Greatness
R for Revolutioner.
Engal vazhvum engal moochum
MGR MGR MGR MGR MGR MGR.
Thanks to Mr. Sailesh Babu and to Mr. Roop also.
It is a known truth that MGR starred films which did not run 100 days (a few in number) are re-released and thus creating a record break.
Whereas we cannot see other Films including Sivaji Ganesan's flopped movies are not re-released and make collections.
In the recent past, Sivaji Ganesan starred hit movie "Utthama Puthiran" did not bring any impact and made collections, in competance with our beloved MGR starred film the great'NADODI MANNAN'.
Hence M.G.R. is the only Emperor of the Tamil Film Field.
He only conquered the hearts of the people both in political and cine fileds.
As all the persons would have observed Puratchi Thalaivars Films are based on High Principle especially "truth along triumphs" (acceptable in any century and in any part of the Universe). The commercial success will always be intact. It cannot be bounded by other personalities, age and by Technology (VHS/VCD/DVD/Satellite TV).
That is one of the reaons for Thalaivar being called "Kalathai Vendravan"
Thank you all for their valuable comments and support to our blog.
My Salute & Hats off to Mr. Sailesh Babu for his tribute to our beloved Makkal Thalaivar M.G.R.
These are really golden words.
I am proud to be a MGR's Sympathiser
Supporter
Admirer
Devotee
and so on.
Thanks & Regards
Prof. S. Selvakumar
will follow
Dear Prof Selva,
I assume that you didn't understand our point: Our point was MGR, like other actors, had his share of flop movies during their first release. Again, highlight the word: FIRST time release. Also, the return on investment (ROI) was more with NT than with other actors in that time. We are not talking about MGR's re-releases. So, you must agree that MGR had his share of flops, contrary to what some media and his fans claim that MGR never had any flops.
We do agree MGR's re-releases today makes money. So are other actors movies. Even in re-releases, NT made history; didn't he? Keep in mind VPKattabomman, iruvar ullam, puthiya paravai, and other movies such as Avan thaan Manithan made tons of money during re-releases in 1990s. I know Kattabomman ran over 60 days at Madurai Alankar during 90s. I strongly believe no other actor has beaten this history till today.
Also, I said earlier MGR has been the most successful political force in TN history. More importantly, his political force is very much active today, though he is no more. Don't you think this factor weighs much more than any others in bringing the crowd? NT doesn't stand there - still his movies are very much alive; so, what does it say?
Again, our point is that MGR had his share of flops and you must agree with this.
Back-up Note: BTW, NT's Uththma Puthiran now-running at Madurai Central has been going and collecting great - in spite of rainy season, according to reports.
Ram again and again you people told that there is no re-release of flop movies only mega hit movies are re-released, we want to prove it was false again I mentioned you people told that there is no re-relese of MGR flop movies only mega hit movies are re-released. We want to prove it was false. Other points you have written are not regarded in this post. It will be published separately.
Your claim - We do agree MGR's re-releases today makes money. So are other actors movies. But on mayyam it is not like that they have asked to prove the power of Box Office Emperor MGR when a average or flop movies like Neerum nerupum, sangay muzhangu are re-released they want to see how it collect. We are showing it in our blog. You should not contradict what you say in mayyam and in our blog. And at the same time please read the second line of the blog post that is the cue for this post.
MGR is my live,i adore him and worship him,thalaiva valga,K.V.Mani-Kotturpuram
engal thalaivar film tamilnadu engum realese.1977to2009...contineu... 32 years old is gold makkal thilagam film.
nadigar (s)ganesan film madurai mattum
month only one film vanthalea aathigam.
2009 madurai mattum makkal thilagam film realese 53. s.ganesan film 6 mattumea.
tamilnadu 25 dist makkal thilagam
mgr film 2009 mattumea 78 realese vanthuullathu. aatharathudan veliyeda naan ready. nadigar (s)ganesan 300film
engea. 25 years (s)ganesan film dappakulea.
indraya world cinema record
only one hero makkal thilagam thavera
evanum No...No..No...
Netru - makkal thilgam than histry
Indru - makkal thilgam than histry
Nallai - makkal thilagam than hisdry
old is gold film hero entrum
makkal thilagam than.......
ANDRU DUPLICATE KARNANAI VENTRA VETTAIKKARAN
SIVANTHA MANNAI MANNAI KAVIYEA NAM NAADU
DR.SIVAVAI SIVA SIVA ENAA VERATTIY
PALLANTU VAZHGA
CHENNAI RECORDS MATTUM
THALAIVAR FILM 1973 TO 1977 VARAI REALESE - 15 FILMS 100DAYS - 8 FILMS
1. ULAGAM SUTRUM VALIBAN
DEVIP 182 - AGASTHIYEA-176 ,UMA 112
2. NETRU ENTRU NAALAI
PLAZHA 106, MAHARANI,106
3.URIMAIKKURAL
ODIYAN-106,MAHARAI-106,UMA-106
4.IDHYAKANI
SATHYAM - 105,MAHARAI-105,UMA - 105
5.PALLANTU VAZHAGA
DEVIP-104,AGASDHIYA-104
6.NEETHIKKU THALAI VANAKKU
DEVIKALA - 106, MAHARANI- 106
7. INDRU POOL ENTRUM VAZHAGA
DEVIP - 103DAYS
8. MEENAVA NANBAN - DEVI PARS- 104DAYS
OTHER THEATRE - 7 NOS
NADIGAR (S)GANESAN FILM REALESE - 1973TO 1977 VARAI - 31 FILMS
100DAYS MATTUMEA - 8 FILMS
1.B.VILAS - 2
2.E.T.RAJA - 3
3.T.PATHAKKAM - 3
4. A.T.MANITHAN - 3
5. M.VANTHANADI - 2
6. A.O.KOIL - 3
7. DEEPAM - 3
8. GOWRAVAN - 3
ELLAMEA - SHANTHI , CROWN,PUWANESWARI MATTUMEA 100DAYS
23 FILMS FLOOPS
SHANTHI , CROWN,PUWANESWARI AVARGAL THEATRE AATHANAL 100,175, OOTTAPPATTATHU.
INDHA HISTRY POTTHUMA INNUM VANUMA
MR. RAM
VERY GLAD TO SHARE WITH YOU REGARDING WHAT YOU ARE WANT TO SAY IS MGR GAVE FLOP MOVIES. CAN YOU DEFINE THE SCALE FOR THE FLOP?
TRY TO UNDERSTAND UNLESS THE DISRIBUTOR WITH THE PRODUCERS DECLARES THAT MGR MOVIE COLLECTIONS WAS BAD.
I WAS IN THE DISTRIBUTION DURING 1970-1980 AND I KNOW ACTUAL RECORDS OF NT- MGR AND OTHER SUCCESSFUL MOVIES.
EARLY 1960 WAS GOLDEN ERA FOR BOTH NT AND MGR.NT GAVE MORE FLIMS THAN MGR. BUT THE COLLECTION WISE MGR FLIMS WENT
TOP COLLECTIONS. THATS TRUE.
NT KARNAN A BIG BUDGET WENT SO BAD IN COLLECTIONS.1964. PUDHIYA PARAVAI AVERAGE COLLECTIONS.
THIS IS ONLY SOME EXAMPLE
MGR MOVIES FROM 1952-1977 ONLY FEW FLIMS RAN LESS THAN 5WEEKS.
AS YOU MENTIONED PASAM-KODUTHTHUVAITHTHAVAL- SANGE MUZHANGU
TMK THALI-ANNAMITAKAI-NEERUMNERUPPUM- NAVARATHNAM-OTMAKKAL- ETC NO DOUBT THESE MOVEIS FAILEDCOLLECTIONS IN FIRST RELEASE. BUT INRERELEASES THESE MOVIES RECOVERED THE LOSSES.
WHERE AS NT 1952-1977 NT GAVE MORE THAN 100 FLOP MOVIES WHICH HASBEEN NEVER RERELEASED.
WE HAVE FULL RECORDS FOR MGR SUCCESS.
DONT WASTE YOUR TIME SPENDING OF FLOPS.
ALL THE PRODUCERS OF MGR TIME AND THE DISTRIBUTORS WERE HAPPY THEN AND NOW.
MURUGAN R
1971
KULAMAGUNAMA PUSHED 100DAYS AT PLAZA
BABU AS USUAL AT SANTHI DRAGGED.
SEE THE FLOPS LIST OF 1971
IRUDHURUVAM/ ARUNODHAYAM/ THANGAIKKAGA/PRAPTHAM/THENMPALUM/SESUNDARI/
MOONDDRU DEIVANGAL
1970 FLOPS
ENGAMAMA---PADHUKAPPU---VILAYATTUPILLAI---
ETHIROLI-RERAMANADI
LIST FOLLOWS
MURUGAN.R
ada ada nallu sollunga itha nan eithirparkavillai. MGR rasigarkal enna sommu irupangala.
Could anyone inform me to which `POLITICAL FORCE' Mahatma Gandhi or Charlie Chaplin belong. Billions of People still follow them.
The above is a sincere request from a member of
Vasool Chakravarthi
Puratchi Nadigar
Vadhyar
Ponmana Chemmal
Ezhai Pangalan
Idhaya Deivam
Makkal Thilagam......... MGR'S
MGR FOUNDATIONS
very good question can you answer Mr.Ram.
1965-1969 sivaji flop movies 22
palani-anbukarangal-santhi-neelavanam-mkk daselvam-nen varai- thangai- paladai- t,selvar- t.perumai- harichandra- enthambi- eoraja-lkalyanam-anpalippu-thangasurangam-
k.deivam- guruthatchanai-ap 520 n-niraikudam- thirudan
RE. COMMENTS ABOUT RE-RELEASE OF Thalaivars Films APPEARING IN OUR BLOG
PLEASE VISIT http://www.nadigarthilagam.com and under Silver Jubilee run, you will find the following under theaters where is saw 100 days:
PARAASAKTHI Maharaja (DURING RE-RELEASE)
The above is a part of the Statistics ( of success) provided in the Site.
The rest no need to say.
Makkal Thilagathin Rathathin Rathangal
MAKKAL THILAGAM MGR SILVER JUBILY FILMS
1.ENN THANGAI:182DAYS TRICHY : JUPITER
2.NADODIMANNAN:180DAYS:SALEM CHITHEWARA
3.ENGAVETTU PILLAI:7THEATRE SILVER,CHENNAI FIRST 3CENTRE SILVER
CASONO 211,PRADWAY176,MEKALA176
MADURAI176,TRICHY 236,COVAI 190,THANJAI 176,NELLAI - 149DAYS
1977 VARAI TAMILCINEMA RECORD EVPILLAI
4.ADIMAI PENN - MADURAI 176
5.MATTUKKARA VELAN - CHENNAI PRADWAY 176
MADURAI - CHINTHAMANI - 177
6.ULAGAM SUTRUM VALIBAN - CHENNI 0 DEVIP-182,AGASTHIYA176, MADURAI MEENACHI 217,TRICHY - PALACE 203,
SRILANGA 203DAYS
7.URIMAIKURAL - MADURAI CINEPRIYA- 200
NELLAI - 180DAYS
MAKKAL THILAGAM - HERO FILM 115 ONLY
7 FILMS SILVER JUBILY
CHENNAI - CASINO,MEKALA,PRADWAY,DEVIP,AGASTHIYA,
HIGGEST DAYS MAKKAL THILAGAM FILMS
NO (S)GANESAN FILMS NO..NO...
5 THEATRE SILVER MAKKAL THILAGAM FILM
NADIGAR (S) GANESAN FILMS
1.V.P.K.POMMAN - MADURAI 180DAYS
S. GANESAN - 90DAYS,GEMINI GANESAN - 90DAYS TOTAL SILVER.. 2.BHAGAPIRIVEENAI MADURAI - SILVER
3.1961 PASAMALAR - CHENNAI CHITRA : 176DAYS
S.GANESAN -88DAYS, G.GANESAN - 88DAYS
4.PAVAMANNIPPU - SHANTHI 176DAYS
S.GANESAN - 88DAYS, G.GANESAN - 88DAYS
5.1965 - T.VILAYADAL - SHANTHI,PUVANES,CROWN,176DAYS
PURANAPADAM MANY ACTORS
6. 1972- P.K.PATTANAMMA - MADURAI MATTUM - 180DAYS,7. V.MALIGAI - CHENNAI SHNATHI - 176, MADURAI 200DAYS
8.1974-T.PATHAGAM- CHENNAI SHA,PUVAN,CROWN- 176DAYS, TRICHY - 176
S GANESAN HERO FILM 1952 TO 1977 VARAI - 191
SILVER FILMS - 8 FILMS MATTUMEA
S.GANESAN MATTUM HERO FILM - 5
GEMINI GANESAN TAMIL FILM 3RDHERO
VPKPOOMMAN,P.MALAR.P.MANNIPPU
1950 TO 1977 TAMIL FILM HERO GEMINI GANESAN OTHER FILMS SILVER, 100DAYS
TAMIL FILM MEGA SUPER & GREAT STAR & WORLD MAHA STAR MAKKAL THILAGAM
MATTUMEA
Thank your very much Mr.BSR for the excellent details.
I am interested to know if there is any Thalaivars film (from 1952 or say from Malai Kallan onwards) which has NOT AT ALL been re-released till date.
I am confident that Namma Thalaivar will hold some unique record in the aspect as well.
yaruppa... R E Ramanaadi flop-endru sollaradhu... I see quite a good response since my last reply. ella reply-m padikkalai.. Still, one who says R E Ramanaadi Flop should wash his brain.
Just like MGR fan gives his movie beat NT movies, NT fans gave tons of NT movies beat COSTLY MGR movies. For ex, a low-budget B/W movie Babu beat MGR's color big budget movie Neerum Neruppum. Same goes with many other instances. So, don't drag that point here. If you guys have so much confidence in bringing out MGR movie facts, then why don't you bring that in mayyam forum so that people would know.
Some body was saying that as a distributor he witnessed MGR movies collected more than NT movies. If that is true, how comes NT had so many forts in Madurai, say Madurai Central/New Cinema/Devi/50-50 at Cinthamani. As per record, for MGR, it was only 50-50 chintamani/Meenakshi.
MGR's Enga veettu pillai collection was easily beaten by NT's Tiruvilaiyaadal. MGR's US vaaliban's collectioin was handsomely beaten by NT's 1-house/1-police station movie Thangapathakkam. There are so many proofs like this.
More over, i have already told you guys MGR movies were created and focused for his hard core fans and rural masses. So, there is no wonder that not many of his movies were enjoyed by every one. Moreover, his movies were big-budget movies. That's the main reason why his return of return was lower and he had to make himself a pretty lavish movies (like nadodi mannan/adimai penn/US valiban/MM sundarapandian) to give better hits. MMSundarapandian was not such a big hit - was it? Thats the logic and everyone can easily understand. Moreover, his low budget movie makers like Devar movies were either average or 100 days hits - not silver jubilee. Because, Devar's MGR movies never convinced public - so, they were average movies. On the other hand, NT's Balaji movies were wide varieties and they brought everyone to theaters and collected more and ran for more days. Wasn't a fact NT movies attracted more college going youth in that time? Now, tell me who could have collected more? It should be NT.
Again, re-releases, at least now MGR movies are doing well. I have already told you the factor for this. It is not quality - it is because of MGR's strong political foundation. There is no wonder here. But re-releases don't tell you about initial success of the movies? do they? So, your argument with re-releases do not hold truth.
Talk about initial release and their revolution ............. NT success is better. Remember, it was NT who had better repeat-engagement with many producers. Excepting Devar, none, including AVM, repeated MGR. Why? Among many other things, there must be a reason...so, my advise to MGR fans.. think about it.
Mr Ram,
Sivaji Ganesan too started a political party. In fact he was defeated in his hometown constituency at Tiruvaiyaru. It indicates that people have not accepted him as a political leader.
Whereas people of Tamil Nadu recognized Ever Green Hero our MGR in the cine field and later accepted him as their affectionate Leader.
Until his death he was not shaken by any leader
Therefore MGR IS ALWAYS GREATER than
any other Actors as well as Leaders.
One Fact :
The achievements of MGR Starred movies can be beaten alone only by another MGR starred movie only.
Hence no comparison with sivaji movies, hereinafer please.
MGR than Engal Moochu and Pechu.
Prof. Selva kumar
Mr. Ram,
Seriously are you stating that Thangapathakam beat USV record . Let me tell you this when that movie was announced for reservation I witness the crowd which was from Devi Paradise pass Shanthi theatre up to VGP company. IG Arul asked the theatre owner to issue ticket this was at 6:00am and they ran out of ticket they closed the counter at about 8:00AM . There was not a Single poster or Banner anywhere in Chennai for 82 days for USV. First time they had small card board in theatre wall displaying continuous house full show for at least 90 days. Finally do you think Thangapathakam can make the same amount of money which USV made this year if it was released now. Usually tried to stay out of this but what dragged me is that when you statement about USV
MGR Visiree
MR. RAM
AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU ARE CONFUSED AND MAKING BASELESS ARGUEMENT.TRY TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT MGR SUCCESS. 1952-1977 DURING 25 YEARS MGR WAS HIGHLY PAID.
MGR GAVE BIG BUDGET MOVIES LIKE N.MANNAN-A.PENN-USV NOT ONLY FOR THE FANS AND HE PROVED AS A BEST DIRECTOR
AND BROUGHT TAMIL FLIMS TO LEVEL OF HOLLYWOOD.
LIKE GANESAN HE NEVER WENT TO QUANTITY OF FLIMS. MGR GAVE QUALITY MOVIES.
MGR SATISFIED ALL THE SECTION OF FLIMGOERS LIKE SONGS COSTUMES FIGHTS AND NATURAL ACTING.
MOST OF THE FLIMS BASED ON COMMON PEOPLES PROBLEMS AND HE GAVE MEANINGFUL DIALOGUES AND WORTH SONGS
HE NEVER DISAPPOINTED TO THE FANS.
REMEMBER . MGR IS THE ONLY ACTOR IN THE WORLD WHO GOT 35000 FANS CLUB ALL OVER THE WORLD.
IN THE PREVIOUS COMMENT WE GAVE LIST OF GANESANS FLOP.RERAMANDAI SHITED100 DAYS AT CHENNAI.EXCEPT MADURAI THAT MOVIE WENT BELOW AVERAGE. MGR RECORDS.
ALMOST ALL THE DEVAR FLIMS 16 MADE PROFIT TO DEVAR.
AVM- ANBEVAA- SUPER HIT
GEMINI OLIVILAKKU- AVERAGE SUCCESS
ALL RR FLIMS MADE HUGE PROFIT
NEERUM NERUPPUM- 1971 RAN MORE THAN 10 WEEKS .MAY BE COLLECTION WISE AT FIRST RUN IS NOT O.K. BUT AFTER SECOND RELEASE PICKED UP WITH COLLECTION.
MGR IN ACTIVE POLITICS SO HE GOT POPULARITY
BOTH FANS AND PARTY.
NO DOUBT HE ENJOYED WITH THE FANS AND MASS.
FINALLY TO RAM
MGR ALWAYS GAVE SUCESS TO THE PRODUCERS.
NO PRODUCERS OF MGR REGIME INFORMED OR CLAIMED ABOUT THEIR LOSS.
EVEN TO DAY MGR MOVIES SPINNING PROFIT TO THE NEW DISTRIBUTORS.ONLY FEW GANESAN MOVIES JUST RUNNING AT MADURAI . CAN YOU COME OUT AND SEE ALL OVER TAMIL NADU?
REMEMBER EVEN TO DAY MGR MOVIES IS STILL TELECASTING IN ANY ONE OF THE TV CHANNELS
LOCAL CHANNELS ALL OVER TAMILNADU DAILY MGR SONGS AND MGR FLIMS .
CD/DVD CASSESTS TOP SALES ONLY MGR MOVIES AND SONGS
ALL THE CINEMA PERSONALITIES STILL REMEMBERING MGR IN THE INTERVIEWS.
URIMAIKURAL- MGR MAGAZINE SUCCESSFULLY RUNNING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
ALL OVER THE WORLD MGR FANS AGAIN UNITED AFTER SEVERAL YEARS.
NEW GENERATIONS OF MGR FANS REALLY CREATING NEW RECORDS.
The first colour film of all major Film Companies (including AVM) and excluding Sivaji Productions and may be Chitralaya starred Makkal Thilagam only.
This AVM Banner Film was in 1965 after many years of AVM in Films Line and after having produced many Films with NT.
Sathya Movies produced many movies with Makkal Thilagam, Sridhars CHitrayala, RR Pictures also joint the list among others.
Again for persons talking about Logic. Logic is the worst enemy of truth. It cannot see it own errors.
Still to follow.
Dear Ram we people are not registered in Mayyam, so we cannot post any thing there. And also if you look into the thread you will see some posts are deleted, then look into their it is MGR Fans post.
When you (all NT Fans) comment I did not delete their comments nor moderate even though I am the admin of the comment section I only deleted MGR Fans comment because they are some times more provoking which I did not desire to happen between us.
Thanks for comments from MGR Visiree Abul Hassan Sir who relived the USV reservation experience in our Blog.
Shall appreciate details of "Rasingar Mandrams" for actors before 1975 (Read it as before Rajini and Kamal) if it is still existing and active.
In know that it is still there for the one and only Box Emperor "All World MGR Fans Association" and "MGR Mandram". Please note that I am not talking about the party AIADMK.
Generally, any Big Producer/Film Company [in the 1950's and 1960's]did not produce their first Big Budget film in colour (with an actor whose earlier films were not successful or with less ROI that others) if they have already done movies with actors who have been more successful and with more ROI.
The Star who was the unanimous preference among all others on most occasions was none other that the Box Office Emperor MGR.
For information:
Makkal Thilagam fans are not restricted to any one 'Political Foundation'. They are very well diversified. This truth is a widely accepted fact in Tamil Nadu.
One of the prime reaons for Thalaivars films to be successful was it contained what the people wanted and liked to watch time and again.This style of film making is called "MGR Formula" in the film world.
Age is never the criterion for the success of Makkal Thilagam Films. It will always be a success under (initially, intermediately and every time it is released)
Still to come.
SABAASH SAILESH BABU. WELL SAID. GOLDEN WORDS.
THALAIVAR MOVIES CONVEY CERTAIN MEANINGFUL MESSAGES WHICH ARE VERY USEFUL AND GUIDE A COMMON MAN TO LEAD A PEACEFUL LIFE WITHOUT ANY TENSION.
HE, THROUGH HIS MOIVEIS, DEVELOPED PEOPLE TO FACE CONSEQUENCES AND HE HIMSELF STOOD AS EXAMPLE.
HE TEACHED MANY GOOD THINGS TO THE SOCIETY THROUGH SUCH FILMS WHICH NO OTHERS DID IT IN THE CINE FIELD.
PEOPLE ACCEPTED THALAIVAR MGR EVEN AT HIS AGE OF 60 AS HERO. IN FACT HE WAS BOOKED FOR MAY FILMS SUBSEQUENTLY.
BUT MY BELOVED MGR TURNED OUT TO BE THE CHIEF MINISTER OF TAMIL NADU AND COULD NOT CONTINUE AS ACTOR.
MY HEART-BEAT RINGS WITH THE THREE WORDS MGR MGR MGR MGR MGR MGR MGR
MGR the tonic for us. He is "URCHAAGA OOTORU"
I never see GOD. But I worship my beloved MGR as GOD.
Prof. S. SELVA KUMAR
MGR visiree,
Regarding crowd in Madras during USV release - I have heard that even from my uncle that Madurai Meenakshi theater witnessed unprecedented crowd during USV release. This crowd was purely because on the controversy surrounded with MGR political start-up AIADMK and the Govt. at the time desparately wanted to stop USV release. So, initial controversy greatly helped USV hype. But again, the initial hype doesn't mean that the movie collection was not beaten by any other movies. I can vouch and prove that Thangapathakkam beat USV collection in just 150+ days. In my opinion, USV was not a great movie (in contrast, I like MGR's kudiyirantha kovil better) - neither did I claim Thangapathakkam was a great movie by NT's standard. But, the fact is a medium budget Thangapathakkam beat a mega budget USV collection easily - nothing else - this to show that Return on Investment (ROI) was far greater with NT movies. If you want BO collection facts with numbers, I will have to paste it from Mayyam and other reliable sources.
Your question about if Thangapathakkam could make the same money and beat USV if it were released today: My answer is a big YES. Always, Cop-based movies make a lot more than any other movies. People love cop characters - moreover, NT's thangapathakkam is a mix of emotion + cop + father-son relation + sentiment - a perfect combination of evergreen hit. All major tamil actors, barring MGR and Kamal, have had great cop success - Starting with Thangapathakkam, Rajini had Satya movies Moondru Mugam, many movies of Vijaykanth, Sathyarajs walter vetrivel and finally, surya's kaakha kaakha. All these movies were not just money spinners, but they were topper during the release year. Since Tamils are more emotionally oriented, Thangapathakkam can always make money and beat any other movie collection - history proves that. Additionally, not just in TN, Thangapathakkam made hell of money in Bangalore, Sri Lanka and even in S.Africa Johannesberg - where it was the first tamil movie ran 100 days. Want to know more about Thangapathakkam, a Kannada producer remade this movie just 5 years back - thats the impact!!
One more tidbit about USV from Madurai - At Madurai Meenakshi, it was released in 1973 and ran for 217 days - just 1 day more than 1959 Madurai central released bhaga pirivinai - 216 days - a phenomenal 14 years GAP. To prove that NT's record could be beaten ONLY after decades!! Again, please note that I am not against USV but stating the fact as it is. I would like to point to you guys that the good-citizen role NT played during USV release time to convince the rulers at that time not to increase entertainment tax to an unprecedented level. A big help to all movie makers including MGR - wasn't it?
Vinod,
Your posts make me laugh - i am thinking whether should I answer you or not. I guess I will have to because there are easy mistakes in your post.
First, Adimai Penn was not directed by MGR, it was
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Vinod,
Your posts make me laugh - i am thinking whether should I answer you or not. I guess I will have to because there are easy mistakes in your post.
First, Adimai Penn was not directed by MGR, it was by Sankar who directed NT's Alayamani. You must be in deep slumber if you think MGR directed movies are in hollywood standard. I do agree quantity wise NT did more - but he mixed quality, quantity, and BO collection seamlessly. Your claim of MGR had natual acting - i guess you are in a different world and if other MGR fans in this blog agree with you, then i will. I do agree that MGR had big round of mandrams, so does NT - but that doesn't give you the big success that common mass gives you - thats where NT movies had an edge. No other actor, including MGR, touched NT's success of releasing 2 movies in a day and running both of them 100 days in all major TN centers. You cannot deny this, can you?
Every one knows AVM's anbe vaa was a big success - but that didn't prompt them to repeat Makkal Thilagam. Thats what I stated in my previous post. Sure RR films Ramanna repeated MGR, so did he had NT - Koondukili, Sorgam, and Ennai Pol Oruvan. You do agree Devar's success with MGR was never a huge one. You said no producer claimed loss with MGR - you will have to re-examine this - there are cases with loss-made producers who made MGR movies - such as one villain actor, one comedy actor, and one very successful director who previously made various mythological movies with NT.
Again, all local TV channels (including Jaya TV) are showing NT movies too; in DVD, according to moser-baer, NT's gauravam is no.1 seller in old-time DVDs. So, you will have to read more about MGR first before putting SAANI on NT poster.
Sailesh Babu,
Like MGR, NT fans still have All-India Sivaji Mandram. It seems in US, a small group of old NT fans are active in Atlanta - during last NT death anniversary, they had a small get-together and arranged to send money to india for poor students (refer thinamalar article and it is also available in Mayyam). The mandrams in TN may not be as active as MGR's because he doesn't have a strong political backing. But, again I saw quite a good poster around the city when Raja was released. This shows how loyal these guys for NT and his movies. NT commands respect, though he was not a success in dirty TN politics - govts erected his statue in Sri Lanka, Pondy, etc. - this shows what a fan following and respect he has got - TN never witnessed this for any celebrity like this, unless you are a political figure.
Final Note:
NT had a big group of people not just his hard core fans - including more college goers, blue/white collar, urban, rural, educated, and well-settled. This in addition to a huge hard core and woman fans. This cannot be true to any other actors, including MGR. This well diversified group is more than enough to run his movies, in spite of frequent releases
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Final Note:
NT had a big group of people not just his hard core fans - including more college goers, blue/white collar, urban, rural, educated, and well-settled. This in addition to a huge hard core and woman fans. This cannot be true to any other actors, including MGR. This well diversified group is more than enough to run his movies, in spite of frequent releases, in an unprecedented way - which he did. Post-MGR acting time too, NT had phenomenal run - thirisoolam, thiyagam, sandhippu, needhipathi, theerppu, mudhal maiyadhai, and devar magan - all silver jubilee hits. I would challenge any MGR fans to state who was ruling BO in all of 1950s and 1960s. It was NT with hits after hits, with PAA series, mythological movies, and so on.
NT was a beautiful actor - an amalgam of acting and soft heart. Sadly, he didnt know how to act in real life - otherwise, TN history would have been different. One thing is sure, this phenomenal actor deserves much more than what has been stated in the media and by rival groups.
At last, before I conclude, I urge MGR fans to state the facts as it is. Have fun guys!!
Ram,
Good details, I appreciate to post with details. I was veriyan of NT and was from Madurai, but I am just 37 now and living in Western country. Where ever I travel any part of world I always carry minimum 10 DVD of NT and MT movies which always refresh me.
Roop, I do follow your blog, excellent news mate. Even though I am big veriyan of NT, I always love to watch MT movies in Madurai. I read our blog every day to know more about MT and old movies poster. I really like the way you like ie., your English and narration. Best of luck and looking for more MT movies poster, details.
Guys as Ram said have fun.
Regards,
Sathish
hi ram, USV was released in 1973 and your actor movie was in 1974 one year gap what is the ticket rate ? ask your friends.
one thing Ram, please give the details of T.pathagam and urimail kural released in 1974 and which collected more. please Ram.
NT Fans loyal to NT? the answer is NO.
when thalaivar started party they made him a leader and chief minster their are loyal even now, Ram but you and other NT fans did not voted him and you and others back stabbed him in 1989 elections and you and others made him cry in real life. Dont say Ram that NT fans are loyal to him, loyalty does not mean putting up posters loyalty means sacrifice that what we differ from you in large scale.
what do you say who has to vote NT when he went into a election stage, is NT has to vote for himself, NO people like you should vote, when you did not vote and say that tamilnadu will be changed if NT came to power are you joking. Thalaivar MGR came to power becos his fans are loyal and they sacrificed some in their life to make him (MGR) the CM of Tamilnadu, think Mr.Ram who has to be blamed.
You should not blame us, or thalaivar fans, there is one line from bible : You did not choose me (God), I (God) choosed you. So write sensibly who you have to blame.
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1)Re the comment "All major tamil actors, barring MGR and Kamal, have had great cop success"
I would like to name a few: Deiva Thai, Kaval Karan, Ulagam Sutrum Valiban, Ithyakkani.
Yes, our Makkal Thilagam is also known as "Iyarkai Nadippu Mannan".
2)Re. the comment "Political Backing" for the success of MGR Films.
Is it because of Mythological backing (Shiva,Ram,Lakshman,Bharat,Vishnu,Naradar) and/or Political backing(VOC,Kattabomman,Bhagat Singh,Kumaran etc.) NT films had a good run.
For Argument sake we shall consider this. However, let NT Fans read the interview of NT [during 1980's]wherein he had said why MT Films were MORE successfuul that his.
Still to come.
Vazhga Makkal Thilagathin Rathathin Rathangal
NO NEED TO LAUGH MR.RAM
JUST THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE. YOUR POINT ONLY ABOUT THANGAPADAKKAM AND MADURAI RECORDS OF YOUR NT. COMPARING THE COST OF BUDGETS IS NOT VALID REASON.
IF YOU TAKE BIG BUDGET KARNAN, WHAT HAPPENED IN FRONT OF B/W VETTEIKKARAN?
vettaikkaran broke all previous records of nt at chithra theatre at chennai and all over tamil nadu.
regarding fans as you mentioned we too have all catogories.
due to political involvement mgr not accepted more movies even he got more demand with all the producers.
IF YOUR NT IS A REALLY GOOD ACTOR MEANS WHAT ALL WE HAVE MENTIONED MORE THAN 100 FLOP MOVIES IN THIS BLOG SHOULD GET SUCCESS.
WHY NOT?
PEOPLE WILL LIKE ONLY THE GOOD MOVIES.
JUST GO BACK WITH 1960 AND 1970-1977
CINE RECORDS. MGR CREATED MORE RECORDS THAN SIVAJIGANESAN. THIS IS THE FACT.
ALL THE LEADING PERSONALITIES IN THE CINE FIELD AND MAGAZINES WILL HAVE RECORDS.
FOR US MGR IS THE ONLY BEST NATURAL ACTOR.YOU ARE NOT AGREEING MEANS WHAT I CAN DO?
THROWING SAANI IS YOUR CULTURE RAM. WE ARE DECENT FANS.
TRY TO ANALYSIS WHY SIVAJI GAVE SO MANY FLOPS MOVIES AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR SUCCESS OF MGR.
MADURAI IS ALWAYS MGR FORT. NOT ONLY CINEMA AS WELL AS POLITICS.
ALL OVER THE WORLD MGR FLIMS CREATED LOT OF RECORDS DURING 1950-1977 AND STILL HIS OLD MOVIES CREATING ALL TIME RECORDS.
RAM
ONLY MADURAI AND T PADAKKAM WILL NOT PROVE YOUR CAPACITY.
WE HAVE PROOF FOR THE RECORDS OF OUR MGR FLIMS.
YOUR T,P RELEASED IN 1974 AND CREATED RECORDS. I AGREE BUT WITH IN 5 MONTHS SPAN OUR URIMAIKKURAL RELEASED IN THE MONTH OF NOV 1974 AND CREATED ALL TIME RECORDS AND THE TOTAL COLLECTION OF THANGA PADAKKAM BROKE WITH IN 15 WEEKS ALL OVER TAMIL NADU. DO YOU KNOW THAT?
1975/1976/1977 TILL JUNE YOUR GANESAN NEVER CREATED ANY RECORDS.
BUT MGR GAVE IDHAYAKKANI 1975 A SUPER HIT MOVIE
IPE VAAZHGA AND MEENAVA NANBAN IN 1977.BOTH THE MOVIES WENT 15 WEEKS.
FINALLY
UNDERSTAND THAT MGR IS ALWAYS NO 1.
YOUR GANESAN STANDS IN NO 2.
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